I DAMAGED My JEEP in the OWYHEES and Learned a Valuable Lesson!

Watch as we take a Jeep Wrangler 392, a Bronco Raptor, and Jeep Wrangler JKU on a challenging trail in the Owyhees and pick up a little damage along the way. We're learning to Rock Crawl before going on a bucket list trip to the Rubicon Trail, and this outing punched us in the face, but taught us all valuable lessons on handling the stress, both to our Jeeps and Broncos, and to ourselves of a true rock crawling trail.
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[@OutdoorAuto]

Following Your progression into more and more technical off-roading is fun and so honest... this is what people need to see... the learning progress is slow and full of mistakes but it is so fun with the right friends.

[@Venture2Roam]

Thanks Nate - it takes risk to push yourself out of your comfort zone (especially with expensive builds), but I learn so much more each time we do stuff like this...and you're right, friends make all the difference.

[@billbrown6626]

Not trying to throw shade. You are from Boise and there's a ton of people who wheel that area on the regular and would probably be more than willing to go with you and help and spot you guys and shorten the lurning curve. And give a lot of helpful advice. I do enjoy your videos alot. If you are trying to learn new skills and you are within 40 miles of home reach out to your locals I'm sure they would be happy to participate

[@Venture2Roam]

The truth is we had planned to go with some folks to guide us and teach us, but the timing didn't work out. I've got some really great resources/friends who you'll probably see more of soon in future videos.

[@That_Guy_Outside]

Thoughts: 1) use manual transmission mode for crawling. 2) With a measly crawl ratio of 58, stock 392’s aren’t ideal crawlers. 3) keep it up! So cool to see technical terrain in Idaho!! 1) The 8-speed automatic transmission in manual mode is a beast and way better for slow speed control. 1st gear is slow and powerful for maneuvering and climbing - but going down rocks and ledges, engine braking keeps the drivetrain fully engaged and feet off the brakes. Slow is smooth, smooth is fast. Let the truck idle in 1st and you’ll crawl forward slowly but unstoppably with tons of time to see the terrain and plan for the next obstacle. 2) The high horsepower 392 with a crawl ratio of 58:1 is geared to fly through the desert, not for rock crawling. (1st gear: 4.71:1) x (axle gearing: 4.56:1) x (transfer case: 2.72:1) = crawl ratio of 58:1 (your engine turns 58 times for every turn of the tire). Your 38” tires have a circumference of 119”. So, at 1000 rpm, your wheels turn about 17 times (1000/58) with 119” each revolution. That comes out to about 2 mph which is really fast in those really technical sections. A good crawl ratio for rock crawling is closer to 100:1 and up because you can move so slowly. 3) Cool to see technical terrain in Idaho, not just the awesome overlanding expansive views. Besides, being a better rock crawler makes you a better overlander, less likely to have to turn around or damage your rig due to inexperience or lack of confidence.

[@Venture2Roam]

Great thoughts, thanks for sharing!

[@briandickey7149]

If you’ve taken your rig where’s it’s built to go, you know the wheelin stress. Especially if it’s your daily. Nice video and I like how you all showed your vulnerability.

[@Venture2Roam]

Thank you. Yes lots of stress when you're looking at damaging your vehicle...especially when we didn't think the trail would be that hard.

[@brandonwiz]

As the local turtle of my group it's nice to see other turtles in their natural habitat!!

[@Venture2Roam]

Lol.

[@ProneToRome]

Nice video. Just keep in mind, the Rubicon is 22 miles long and is relentless. I had fun on the Rubicon, but realized 8 miles in, thought it was over, I had 12 miles to go. Learn what parts would be savvy to bring, make sure you pack tools for every bolt. The trail repairs we did on the Rubicon were crazy, including making a homemade snap ring from a big washer. The Rubicon gets over hyped AND under hyped. It’s no joke. 😂

[@Venture2Roam]

Great tips, thanks for sharing!

[@ProneToRome]

@@Venture2Roam looking forward to the Rubicon video.

[@rael6_4wd]

I lack the “mechanic gene,” for repairing my Jeep, and my wallet’s too small to pay someone else to do it. So I steer clear of “rock crawling” (for fun) but I sure enjoy small stretches of a trail that push my limits. OIIIIIIIO

[@Venture2Roam]

That's awesome. Everyone has different limits, and we don't always have to push them either...I enjoy a nice easy scenic drive just as much! I don't blame you at all for staying away from things that could keep you from going back out on the trail!

[@timmcnulty985]

Nice video! You will definitely us the sliders and under cloak on the rubicon. I went on jamboree in a gladiator on 37s Made it with no body damage but all the armor took damage but that's what it's there for. This was my first trip in 24 years also. I hope you have fun and enjoy it.

[@Venture2Roam]

I love having the undercloak armor on there...it gives me a ton more confidence, and it's taken some serious abuse. Did you go to the Jamboree this year??

[@overland_dadsfl]

Very entertaining video Will. You have really cool friends. Lance with the huge cigar and Chris with his nervous laugh🤣🤣🤣🤣. Really enjoyed 🤘🤘🤘🤘

[@Venture2Roam]

Ya Lance and his Cigar are just priceless...and Chris probably had the most anxiety of the three of us, but I think the actually did the best at the end of the day! Thanks for the kind words!

[@db747]

Lance's upcoming solid axle swap is going to be awesome. If only ford had done it from the factory.

[@Venture2Roam]

Best comment!!! 😂😂

[@kscoran]

Love your boy rocking the Idaho Steelehads Sweater ! I played for them for years 👊👊

[@Venture2Roam]

Right on man. You can't be from Boise and not be a Steelheads fan!

[@kscoran]

@@Venture2Roam got that right ! Love to see it !

[@gettredder]

Oooof! Felt that one. Good run.

[@Venture2Roam]

Lots of banging and sliding on that one...was a good prep for the Rubicon.

[@rockyp544]

I like this show because you guys represent the majority of us . Rocklanders. A bit of both worlds just trying to have fun and not send it..😅$$$ it sucks that our vehicles are so over inflated pricewise that we stress out even more trying to do what we love.

[@Venture2Roam]

Ya the cost of the vehicle definitely adds to the anxiety of trails like this. Sending it just means $$$ to fix it later lol.

[@rockyp544]

@@Venture2Roam I subscribed and looking forward to more so the wife and I get the “cohenes” to get our jeeps out there.✌🏼

[@Venture2Roam]

@@rockyp544 Right on!!! Rubicon is next..but Kate and I leave next week for a North Idaho overland trip where we'll have both the Jeeps on the trail together..can't wait.

[@Kevin_604]

Love it man, the progression and learning is great and makes it all the more fun and rewarding when you get through some tough spots. Looking forward to seeing more!

[@Venture2Roam]

So true - we talk about this trip fondly now...but in the moment we were questioning what the heck we were doing lol. Lot's more coming soon!

[@ArkhamsFinest4]

Great vid Will. Yep out in the Owyhees are where my Methods got beat up and like yourself sooooo glad I had the Metalcloak plate system. Have fun at The Rubicon, can't wait to watch.

[@Venture2Roam]

Thanks! Those Owyhee rocks are pretty unforgiving to your wheels lol.

[@BakerOverland]

Turtle at 9:08. I've done this but the Jeeps with me never do. I enjoyed seeing this haha. Great video Will. That off camber at 19ish minutes was tense. Pucker city.

[@Venture2Roam]

It takes a turtle to know a turtle.

[@GeefromBC]

Great to see you guys get out of your comfort zone and try some technical trails. Awesome video Will 🙌🏽

[@Venture2Roam]

Thanks Gee - this one was probably my hardest to date...until we did the Rubicon that is :)

[@StlrNtn95]

Looking forward to the Rubicon video. It's a great time. I did it the week after the Jamboree, 3 years ago, in a JKU on 35's.

[@Venture2Roam]

I can't wait to start posting the Rubicon vids..what an adventure!

[@VideosOffRoad]

If you're going to run the Rubicon trail, DON'T do it on a weekend. Do it like Tuesday/Wednesday or Tuesday/Wednesday/Thursday. It should be much less crowded then. I ran it on the weekend in my JKUR. Mistake. Lots of traffic, especially (rather impatient) Side by Sides abound. Lockers front and rear are very helpful, too.

[@Venture2Roam]

Great advice. We ran it midweek, but it was right before Jamboree, so we hit traffic on the last day.

[@TheRightLine]

Try left foot braking / 2 foot driving.

[@Venture2Roam]

Great tip.

[@SimplyMustGo]

Dang. Thats a tough little trail. Glad everyone got through it. Even if you did take a few bumps and scrapes.

[@Venture2Roam]

It was more than we thought it would be that’s for sure. But we all got better because of it.

[@SimplyMustGo]

@@Venture2Roam that's the important part. Learn from it and then come to the east coast where you can ignore everything you know and learn to wheel in red clay and wet everything.

[@tfeltmat2903]

I am with Chris. I am not a rock crawler either. I will always take the easiest line and use a bypass whenever possible. If I lived in a State out West where this is much more common, it might be a different story. By the time I’m out there I’m usually a thousand miles from home and getting stuck out there would be a real hassle.

[@Venture2Roam]

There's absolutely no shame in taking the easier road. The most important thing is that you're out there enjoying your vehicle and having fun. That's our motto anyway.

[@patandjessicasjeepadventur3227]

You guys did great but a little advice. Your friend not disconnecting was really not smart. Secondly, you need some proper Rock sliders or you’re going to get some serious damage going forward. Love the channel

[@frontierstateoverland3816]

Definitely not smart! I’ve since taken care of this! 🍻

[@Venture2Roam]

Thanks for the advice...it's solid. Chris got that sway bar fixed for the Rubicon. My stock sliders have been great so far, but I'll likely be changing them out soon. So glad you're liking the channel!

[@TammysTrailsNTravel]

Practice makes you better and more confident. Suggestion get you some hand-held GMRS radios will help with communication.

[@Venture2Roam]

Great Suggestion!!! I actually have like 10 sets of them..but not a single one made it on this trip...I use them a lot for camera work...and when spotting it really helps keep everyone calm because you don't have to raise your voice to be heard.

[@Evill-jh1yz]

Seems like someone with an fj80 needed to be their 😅J/K Great content!

[@Venture2Roam]

lol...I'd love to see and FJ80 out there!

[@outofreception]

That opening shot made me laugh so hard! Great job out there!

[@Venture2Roam]

Thank you. Ya my big beefy Jeep looks so helpless turtled like that lol.

[@jdshaw2751]

Turtling is common when you wheel a minivan! Lmao that's why I love 2 door life for rock crawling. BTW, you should really consider PSC ram assisted steering with 38s in rocks. It puts way less torque on the steering box itself and can avoid failure on a trail.

[@TerraFirmaX]

That was awesome dude. couldn't make that in my Gladiator even with 37s

[@Venture2Roam]

I'm tempted to take my gladiator back out there and see how it would do!

[@RevereOverland]

I could do that in my Honda Civic

[@Venture2Roam]

😂😂. In the Tesla.

[@mikebrown0262]

Fun to watch OTHER people learning the finer points of crawling!

[@Venture2Roam]

Hahaha...ya, not so much fun when you're actually doing it sometimes.

[@Handee_Andy]

That seemed a bit stressful forsure! Definitely type 2 fun lol myself and my wallet can only afford type 1 fun for now 😅 nice job with the spotting and staying calm when you could easily let it get to ya! Great vid and looking forward to your rubicon trail video ✌️

[@Venture2Roam]

Thank you...it was the perfect prep for the Rubicon.

[@6point1hemi]

You know what would be an absolute benefit to the community? Getting somebody that knows how to wheel to teach how to spot. Maybe getting Nate from Dirtlifestyle or Colt from Colt Builds it to teach you (all of us) how to spot. Let’s face it, we all spot thinking we’re doing the right things but we probably aren’t looking ahead enough to be very effective on technical trails.

[@Venture2Roam]

That's a great suggestion. All three of us have experience spotting, but like you said, we probably think we are better than we actually are. I'm doing my best to get out with Nate again, timing is just really tricky..but we have local experts in Boise I can involve. This trip was supposed to have local experts with us...but timing didn't work out...so more to come there...I want to film at least one more in this series of "Learning to Crawl" that heavily features an expert.

[@6point1hemi]

@@Venture2Roam I love what you’re doing. I also appreciate the honesty. Keep up the great work.

[@ninez5740]

I’m not really a rock crawler either but watch a few channels for personal growth. Dirt Nation, who takes out a beater but very capable Tacoma, and has a newer Tacoma you very seldom see him RC. And, Lite Brite who is at the top end with money to burn, but also entertaining and educational. Enjoyed the video.

[@Venture2Roam]

Thank you...Ya there's real risk of damaging our very expensive vehicles...and that repair money comes out my pocket and stings. That fender is $1K to replace.

[@ninez5740]

@@Venture2Roam 🤕

[@jr_jeep4470]

I’ll tell you that Tray would give me greet anxiety as well. I don’t know if I could handle it. I’m on 35 and 2 1/2 inch lift for metal cloak.

[@Venture2Roam]

35s on that trail is doable, but you have to be a better driver than me lol.

[@davidcolinstillman5585]

HI 👋 GLAD, YOU THREE MADE IT SAFELY THROUGH THAT PART OF THE TRAIL , SLOWLY BUT SURELY, AS A TURTLE 🙏 I UNDERSTAND THESE ARE LIKE FAMILY THEY TAKE EVERYWHERE KEEPING YOU DRY , COOL , WARM & MOST OF THE TIME ⏲️ ON TIME DEPENDING UPON THE SEASON / WEATHER ❤ WAY TO GO GENTLEMEN ! BE SAFE ☺️ 🙏HAVE FUN ☺️ 🙏 ENJOYED ☺️ 🙏 GOD BLESS YOU ALL ALWAYS ON YOUR ADVENTURES ☺️ 🙏SAFELY ☺️ 🙏THANK YOU FOR SHOWING US & TEACHING US SAFELY ❤☺️ 🙏

[@Venture2Roam]

Hey, thanks a ton! So glad you enjoyed it! We’ll keep the good vibes rolling on our adventures!

[@t.o.f.t.s.]

Ha! Just saw you and Lance being spotted out of Buck Island over on the DirtNation Off Road channel new video. Looks like you two had a great Rubicon Trip

[@Venture2Roam]

Oh I need to go watch that vid. They were fun to chat with.

[@AngerManagementOverland]

Those DirtNation guys are awesome!!! It was so cool to get a spot from them!!!

[@BladePressure]

Nice video, Willdo

[@Venture2Roam]

Thank you

[@dtadventure4x4]

I am not sure what to say. It is fascinating in one way, but I am also shaking my head a little bit. The learning experience is great, but find someone more experienced when you take these type of trails. The learnings will be significant compared to what you learned in this video. You are on the right track, but I think you got lucky, and it could have been a lot worse (especially from a financial perspective).

[@Venture2Roam]

You're not wrong. We actually intended to go out with more experienced folks to help guide us/teach us, but the timing didn't work out. We are all very experienced off road drivers, just not experienced rock crawlers...and I'm trying to show my learning/evolution instead of just pretending I'm an expert, or polishing the video to make it look like we crushed it instead of the fact that we struggled a little.

[@dtadventure4x4]

@@Venture2Roam Ah, understood. 😀 That makes more sense then. Good deal. Keep up the good work. Love your videos. I will probably be in Idaho in early October on the maiden voyage with my new rig. Would love to buy a coffee or a beer and just say "Hi".

[@joec3675]

You should find a club with experienced guys and do a ride along and then go with them in your jeep to learn how to approach this stuff. It'll help. And.. were you guys in 4-Lo?

[@Venture2Roam]

😂😂😂

[@AngerManagementOverland]

4-Lo? Whats that?

[@BoiseG]

Great video, I learned a few tricks from you. If you're interested in an idea for a video, I thought a tutorial on how to use your winch in various types of terrain would be an awesome learning tool. For example, the set-up you used in the rocky terrain was very creative, however, is that the best method in a forest? Enjoying your channel, I'm in Boise too, give a shout if you ever want to hit the trail. But I don't rock crawl! lol

[@Venture2Roam]

Thank you! I have that video planned on my production list, but I really want to do with Justin from Factor 55, and timing hasn't worked out yet..but I definitely want to make that vid.

[@trschurr]

New driveshaft and better rock sliders and you should be ready for the rubicon.

[@Venture2Roam]

Good assessment!

[@Escape.Idiocracy]

Definitely wish metalcloak would look harder at companies like Evo and put out a product like their high clearance long arm…. Those control arm brackets take a beating located where they are now.

[@Venture2Roam]

I'll pass this on!

[@toyotatrailtrash]

Dude, that looks like fun but I’m so scared to scratch my FJ🤷🏻‍♂️💪🏻💪🏻

[@Venture2Roam]

Scratching does suck..but after the first one, the rest are nearly as bad lol.

[@toyotatrailtrash]

@@Venture2Roam 😂😂🤣

[@InGratitudeIam]

Now I know why Jeep came up with the "Badge of Honor" scheme. It's to sell more parts and more Jeeps.

[@Venture2Roam]

Lol...now that makes cents.

[@anthonymissirlis3710]

go to Merus adventure park in north west Texas . they even teach you !!!!

[@Venture2Roam]

I've heard that's a great place.

[@anthonymissirlis3710]

@@Venture2Roam it is , ask Brad (trail recon##%^%$#$%^^%) about it . they also do colabs with you tubers etc

[@VideosOffRoad]

8:05 Passenger...passenger...AMERICAN passenger! 😂

[@Venture2Roam]

LOL...Left, LEFT, no your OTHER left.

[@PrestonGladd]

Honestly this is why I just sold my 392. I would rather buy a used Wrangler that costs half as much to take out on the trails and beat it up. I just couldn't justify the risk vs. reward of breaking it. Not to mention that I just moved to Alaska and a Wrangler isn't really in its element up here. No massive rock crawls up here. It was partially sad to sell it (it was paid off and I didn't "have" to sell it, was completely a personal choice), but it also is allowing me to pursue other ventures up here like quads, snow machines, etc. Something I need a better tow rig for, so I bought a 2024 Ram 3500 Dually.

[@Venture2Roam]

Those Duallys are amazing...I hope you're having fun with it! The 392 is such an amazing machine, I'm still very much in love with it...but I've had a hard time coming to terms with the fact that I'm just beating it up. Part of me hates that, but the other part of me thinks it's the way it should be...just stings because everything is so expensive.

[@pearlfarm1]

Have you tried a throttle controller. I just use mine to dampen the acceleration

[@Venture2Roam]

I haven't, but that's an interesting idea.

[@CallaFab]

Tire placement, tire placement, tire placement!!!

[@Venture2Roam]

Very true.

[@VideosOffRoad]

Do you remember to what tire pressure you aired down? Thanks!

[@Venture2Roam]

I think I was around 12psi, Chris and Lance were around 15.

[@VideosOffRoad]

@@Venture2Roam Thanks!

[@TheRightLine]

Look up my friend Kevin Burden from Beardman Off-road. He is an I4WDTA OFF-ROAD trainer near Boise.

[@Venture2Roam]

Thanks for sharing.

[@m.t.mobile]

Hey Will, Just curious. What was your tire pressure on this trail?

[@Venture2Roam]

I think I was around 10...maybe 8. That's what I usually do when I'm on the rocks like that...but I don't remember exactly.

[@dreamcaster1969]

Welcome to real off roading lol

[@Venture2Roam]

Haha, right? This is where the fun really begins!

[@GATORADDAM]

I wouldn't take that Bronco on the Rubicon!

[@Venture2Roam]

It was one heck of an adventure.

[@timolheiser7874]

You used the winch for the reason you bought it for. Ride'm till she bucks you, or you don't ride'm at all. Rubbin's racing. And if you ain't rubbin, you ain't racing.

[@Venture2Roam]

Heck ya.

[@JT4BRE]

Thats nothing compared to to what the Rubicon is going to give you guys.

[@Venture2Roam]

🤘😎