I Didn't Want To Talk About This Chapter | One Piece 1098

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[@chunkerdunker]

The whole time i was reading this chapter, i was like "oh no, wait till mugi sees this, he will CRY"

[@Mugiwaranogoofy]

I indeed did cry it was awful

[@orbboom6119]

Flashback Oda making the world weep yet again😭

[@mattia_carciola]

@@Mugiwaranogoofy * sending comfy hugs from the other side of the globe *

[@chunkerdunker]

@@Mugiwaranogoofy *participating in the sending of mattia's comfy hugs across the globe*

[@ivanbluecool]

Oda: sad backstory Reader:oh no Oda:and it gets worse for kuma every page Readers: OH NOO

[@D__634]

Sees current Kuma as a slave and mindless Me: STOP! 😭

[@Suto_Ko]

Oda: "And then, Kuma was forced to watch as his beloved wife was brutally murdered right before his eyes." Readers: "Oh no... ;_;" Oda: "And if that wasn't bad enough, Kuma was then turned into a mindless cyborg slave by the World Government." Readers: "Nooo!! ;_;" Oda: "And to top it all off, Kuma was forced to fight against his own friends and allies, including Luffy and the Straw Hats." Readers: "Noooo!!! ;_;" Oda: "But despite all the pain and suffering that he has endured, Kuma never gave up hope. He always held onto the belief that one day he would be free again." Readers: "We hope so too, Kuma... ;_;"

[@ivanbluecool]

​​@@Suto_Kooda:and worst of all. Bonney is 12 Bonney fans:(Joseph joestar) OH NOOOOOOOOO

[@D__634]

@@ivanbluecool Bonney was 10 years old Teach: ...

[@the_dude23]

@@D__634was 10, now 12, time skip

[@tatsusama3192]

There were so many little things in this chapter that made me tear up. The bible Kuma always carries was the book Bonnie always looked through as a child. The "If you were to go on a vacation, anywhere in the world, where would you go?" line, that was introduced to us in the scariest scene of making the Straw Hats disappear in Sabaodi, was actually what he used to ask Bonnie😭 Not to mention the first time we hear him ask that question was in Thriller Bark when he asked Perona where she'd want to go. . . Perona. Another young pink haired girl like his daughter. Damn you, Oda!

[@Truck-kun11]

Bonnie must have tremendous willpower. She's only 12 years old and had all this sad, heart-wrenching information downloaded into her head at once, it's impressive that she didn't go into a catatonic state like Luffy after Ace died and was able to process it all after one night (and after crying a lot)

[@spectrademonicavods]

I think the only thing keeping her going is knowing how loved she is 😭

[@LeinRa-Reaction]

​@@spectrademonicavodsalso the belief that Kuma can still regain his free will, and return to become her dad again

[@elizander5902]

@@spectrademonicavodsthat hurts, ALOT.

[@marcopohl7161]

Not the first Time it's implied

[@god47398]

like just imagine seeing all four of your grandparents' lives and how they had to struggle to bring your parents into the world and see society get worse and worse and then youre born and you feel every stress and concern they had about seeing their grandkids grow up in such a world nothing would make me more depressed and nothing could give me more motivation to keep going knowing how much they worked just so i could exist

[@GodaBoham]

The whole “Dragon is a fraud” thing is dumb because they said that they just got enough forces in the present to face the WG. So back when Ginny was captured, a few years after the RA was made, they definitely didn’t have enough man power to rescue Ginny. Also Dragon has a lot of different people to worry about. If he messes up the entire RA falls apart and everything they fought for would be for nothing. He has to think like a general while Luffy can be impulsive because he literally on has his small crew to worry about. Also when Luffy fights the WG it’s normally an ambush done by what the WG saw as a small no name crew and not the most wanted man in the world like Dragon is. They didn’t start taking Luffy seriously until after the time skip

[@joebazooka5679]

Even the World government has times where they cannot deploy admirals and theres 3 of them and they are not really in charge that would be the 5 Elders Star's . Dragon is actually managing the while revolutionary army im surprised if he can ever leave his hideouts just considering how much he has to deal with.

[@ArachnidSyther]

I agree with everything you're saying, but Dragon as a character is a massive disapointment to me. He's done virtually nothing of substance and for the story to keep saying he's the most wanted man in the world without showing us anything to indicate why this far into the story. It's hard to be excited for his eventual appearance.

[@GodaBoham]

@@ArachnidSyther That’s completely fair and I feel the same way. I myself have never actually cared for Dragon because he hasn’t done anything outside of help Luffy at Loguetown and apparently train Sabo. My issue with the fraud claims is when it’s said because he didn’t rescue Ginny when we were already given a reason why he couldn’t rescue her

[@Comuniity_]

Its people not understanding what the concept of a revolutionary army is, the Revolutionaries are dedicated to the cause of freeing everyone from the CDs, them suddenly being more invested and willing to risk it all now cause one of their own was captured would betray their entire cause because no one persons suffering is more or less important then someone else's. Storming the gates with the army to save Ginny sure, would have been nice to read, but it would have been a selfish action that spits in the face of the entire point of a revolutionary army. Revolutionaries and pirates are just not the same thing. And I'm sure in universe Ginny the revolutionary would also agree.

[@Zinen09]

​@@joebazooka5679he can't leave the hideout, look what happened when Burgess followed a less well known RA member back!

[@omniunown]

It really adds some context about why it always has to be Luffy's crew saving everything. Despite their trauma, they're still young enough that the world hasn't destroyed them emotionally, and they've had enough wins, and enough people who have genuinely cared about them, to bounce back

[@mattia_carciola]

That's an interesting take I had not thought about. Makes sense, especially given the emphasis on characters like Moria and Crocodile who were crushed and it was shown

[@McBehrer]

9:25 honestly I think the simplest solution is the most reasonable one. Dragon probably wanted to save her, but they simply didn't have the firepower yet, and freeing the slaves in the present time raid was at least partially an act of atonement for not being able to save Ginny

[@illoney5663]

I think there's also something else to consider. In Sabaody, we saw a Celestial Dragon attempt to kill Camie out of spite once she realised that's what the Straw Hats were doing. If they went in to save Ginny, they'd probably already know she was in the Revolutionary Army and thus might've just killed her.

[@bigidiot8902]

Honestly, Fisher Tiger was a saint as well. He experienced it first hand, and not becoming a hot headed killer was impressive.

[@dalethomas6328]

What's worse id that Ginny was there, was probably in the castle itself where he couldn't rescue her

[@pralayaryan]

bcz he was a practical person, he knew that fishmen are way too less in numbers than humans and its pointless to go against them

[@char1194]

@@dalethomas6328 I read someone break down the timeline, and they basically concluded that Ginny was actually kidnapped a few years after Fisher Tiger freeing the slaves. Ironically, if she had been captured earlier she might have been freed

[@jaylouiee9534]

@@char1194also Ginny getting enslaved might’ve been a result of Fish Tiger freeing the slaves 👀

[@kristophesiem5336]

And also the timeline suggest that Fisher Tiger released the slaves during that years' Celestial Dragon Hunting Tourney, so he didn't have to deal with God's Knights.

[@mopdycke94]

If I wasn't told it was unfinished. I would have thought Oda made a stylistic choice to illustrate Kuma's pain. Somehow the chapter being unfinished made the emotions hit harder for me.

[@char1194]

Honestly I'm really hoping that Bonney's biological father never gets revealed too, but for a slightly different reason. The thing is, what happened to Ginny happens all the time to people all around the one piece world. It's not unique to her. The anger that we feel towards this specific nameless celestial dragon should be the anger we feel towards ALL celestial dragons(except Mjosgard, he's cool now) And as long as he remains nameless, we will continue to project that anger towards the entire world noble system as a whole, which serves the story way better. The end goal this is leading up to ISNT taking revenge on any single celestial dragon, but rather to tear down the entire system that made these atrocities possible in the first place. Also, the trauma olympics are so funny to me. Powerscaling is so last season, we traumascale now.

[@OrangeLemonArt-yt]

I’m surprised so many people are surprised by Ginny’s abuse, i thought it was plainly implied this is what happened to Boa. Her crush on Luffy is painfully tragic. Of course she’s enamored with the one person who isn’t attracted to her. She was so young, always makes me wanna cry

[@anitat9727]

I mean one literally kidnapped a nurse at sabody to be his sex slave so it was predicted

[@elizander5902]

I think the implication with boa was done in a way that made it seem almost up to interpretation, but with Ginny, we have undeniable proof of the act, and have to face it head on rather then placing the pieces together. That being said, oda has handled these horrific situations with such Grace in his story, it still has the full impact even when we don’t actually see what happens.

[@Vracka]

​@@elizander5902i agree with you completely, I just want to state something additional: Not showing activates your imagination and thus every reader develops his own fantasy and fear about the thing not shown. This makes it hitting way harder coz it's highly personalised.

[@MaruShu]

I'm rewatching One Piece right now and I just finished Impel Down and I also have this theory that Hancock is infatuated with Luffy in a completely harmless and innocent way (even if she is older than him) specifically because he isn't interested in her and she can have this teenage girl crush experience (she couldn't have when she was a teenage girl because of horrible horrible reasons) that have nothing to do with reality or real relationship or anything sexual

[@patrickzantomaster]

@@elizander5902I mean the heaviest implication for boa was that he had an irrational hatred for men. Not much to interpret there.

[@CarlieGuss]

The chapter being unfinished brought a rawness to it that i appreciated, even if Oda didn't intend it

[@Empress-Angel]

It makes perfect sense why Dragon didn't launch an all-hands-on-deck rescue mission to save Ginny, and that's because the man has impulse control and isn't an idiot. They make it very clear in this flashback that the Revolutionary Army is still a small operation that's limited in their abilities, and we know they didn't have the resources to launch a full-scale attack on the Celestial Dragons for another 14 years until the present story. No matter how much he cared about Ginny and wanted her free, Dragon would have been aware it was impossible to rescue her from Marijoa and that making an attempt would only destroy their own forces. Ginny was a Revolutionary commander because she believed in their goals, she wouldn't want her life to come at the expense of the entire group, and she _definitely_ wouldn't have wanted Dragon, Ivankov, or Kuma especially to throw their lives away on a last-ditch effort to rescue her.

[@trrebi981]

I feel you bruv. Makes you really wanna push for the "genocide of the Celestial Dragons" option.

[@chunkerdunker]

We need to riot for more rocks, that was his goal after all

[@tobiaswedin]

This is a case where Oda seriously needs to break his rule of Luffy not killing. If this doesn't end in celestial dragon genocide there will be riots and death threats against Oda for real. People be wildin' and are very invested in this story, and retribution/revenge is kinda sadly a core emotion taking charge.

[@greenapple9477]

​@@tobiaswedinDude, why would you blame Oda for fans sending in death threats, just because the story is not going in the direction they wanted? Do you hear yourself?

[@tobiaswedin]

@@greenapple9477 It is not a blame, you can't blame someone for something that hasn't happened.. I'm just saying that he is kinda writing himself into a corner with that specific plot line when it comes to how it can end no matter if (or if not) he wants Luffy to remain "innocent" in terms of killing his enemies. But rando's on the internet will of course actively chose to interpret what others say the worst way possible just to project their own crap to justify venting on strangerts.

[@ClyDIley]

​@@tobiaswedin Mark my words, you will eat those words before Oda is said and done

[@BelligerentPenguin]

One thing I like about Kuma, and just the story in general, is the fact that Kuma is a pastor. I am a Christian myself, and all too often, a major cliché that I see in media is the corrupt church or the bad person believer. It's really nice to see a religious/spiritual character that is genuinely a really good person. You know, what most Christians aspire to be, or should be aspiring to be. And with him, Kuma has become my favorite side character, and I don't think he'll be replaced. Also, the celestial dragons are horrible and deserve every storm that comes their way.

[@Poglavnit_Pferdefuhrer]

Well, it doesn't help the only ones they mostly had contact with *were the Dutch* who were renowned for being drunken gambling idiots who would convince Japanese nuns to convert just to sleep with them. They didn't commit atrocities like the Spanish or British _but they were kind of useless perverts_ So most Japanese media will flip between that or the atrocities they witnessed at other island nations. It makes total sense how rare Kuma types are (Heiter from Frieren is a good guy, but also blatantly a bit of that first drunk stereotype) You can usually tell before even meeting a Christian character based on his dress and the architecture of his church. Oh and of course The Vatican is "Always Evil" because the Dutch trying to educate Japanese on European history made them all sound like crazy people 😂😂😂 "And then we warred for 138 years, but because it stopped and started we decided it's simpler to call it The Hundred Years War" Japanese fella who just lived through the hundreds of mini skirmishes making up the Feudal Era decade: *YO, YOU FOOKIN WOT M8* " _But wait, there's more!_ Just wait until you hear about the War of the Roses and The Tulip War! " Japanese guy: you had _TWO WARS OVER FREAKING FLOWERS?¡?_ 😱"

[@Hippo_Hegemony]

Reading the manga and watching the show, my headcanon is Kuma is a christian, in a sense. They have crosses, Ussop gives chopper a cross so they can peotect themselves from evil in thriller, Kuma is the son of a pastor, and lives in a church. He does his healing service on Sunday.we have saints, they call Kuma a saint. Also, i read that manga makers use christian imagery because its cool. So while not stated, Kuma is a stand in for christian values, in my eyes.

[@kingspheal363]

While it was probably a result of the chapter being unfinished, the scratchy art during the serious parts, like Kuma fighting as a revolutionary, looked so cool contrasted with the clear, happy panels of baby bonney. Really showed what Kuma's mind is going through and how Bonney is the one happy thing he has right now

[@Marcus-Does-Piano]

Kuma probably also missed Ginny's final words(telling Kuma that she loves him) because he "teleported" away during her call :(

[@mattia_carciola]

He definitely missed them, they were specifically drawn in the following panel, where he was already flying

[@Kavinicus1]

This last chapter was a rough one. Kuma been through so much and he's still the kindest soul in the One Piece verse 😭❤️

[@rpbattleman]

For my idea why Dragon did nothing, was probably because he couldn't do anything. Earlier chapters stated that the revolutionary army was just starting up so they probably lacked a lot of their heavier hitters at the time and are already fighting on multiple fronts. It still SUCKS but it's not Dragon's fault

[@cbroo69]

It would have been better to have Dragon be too busy saving another country and him arguing with Kuma that he can't value one girl's life over a country

[@Scrubjay457]

Plus, someone mentioned this earlier, the celestial dragons have already shown with the Camie auction scene at sabaody that they are very willing to kill people if they think they can't have them. It could've been very likely that if the celestial dragons heard there was going to be a rescue mission for some random woman they kidnapped, they would cut their losses immediately. Just like how the moment she got sick they got rid of her.

[@dootrevenant7203]

The reason why Dragon didn't set an entire mission to save Ginny from Mary Geosie , is because he has far bigger and more selfless goals like saving the entire world instead of just one person. He is not a crackhead pirate , he is the leader of the revolutionary army. He won't just go an suicide assault just to save one person like his crackhead father and son , his goal is to liberate the entire world. So he is just a far more realistic , and honestly , more heroic person than compared to his lunatic child who outright says he is not a hero , just a pirate , and won't become a hero unless his friends got a major involvement. His goal is to save the entire world , which makes him see that putting a lot of effort just to save one person unnecessary , especially knowing that he has no capability of dealing with the world government as of yet.

[@3dsmaster537]

Its understandable. Back then Dragon didnt have the forces to stage a rescue mission like that. Top players like Karasu and Sabo weren't even at their peak strength. Dragon himself might not have even been stronger than a yonko commander at that point, which sounds blasphemous but is very possible. It was years ago

[@mattia_carciola]

This. He plans, he knows what he can and can't do. He hasn't attacked yet and it's been over TEN YEARS, going "to save Ginny" would have only meant both her and everyone else dying horribly. Pointless and stupid.

[@donniebell7887]

Someone saw that Mr morj video.

[@zackavion]

Every turn it feels like Oda manages to one up what I think could be the most messed up thing could happen to Kuma. The Celestial Dragons are so awful I'm convinced they probably forced Vegapunk to program Kuma's brain to think he has permanently soggy socks.

[@Comuniity_]

I have a few things to say about chapter 1098 but first i wanna say i really do appreciate Oda not holding back when showing the realities of slavery, especially state sponsored slavery, hes done it since Sabaody, the chapters where Camie is captured and the slavers talk about her as an "it" and a "product" is so hard for me to read, but i do like that Oda actually shows the horrors of slavery as much as he can in the age rating for OP. Also 1. Another parallel to Sabaody, im sure we've all heard the comparisons and we saw the exact situation that happened to Ginny in Charlos introduction where he kills that guy and forces his fiance to become his new "wife". 2. The Boa's sisters backstory HEAVILY implies this also happened to them, except somehow worse cause they were 12, 11, and 9 when they were enslaved for like 4 years iirc, thats what "forcing them to eat DFs" and "the first men we knew were monsters" implies. Thats to say Ginny is the most outright Oda has talked about slavery and the sexual violence a system like that inevitably creates, but its not something hes avoided talking about whenever he focuses on slavery in One Piece

[@Comuniity_]

That's what makes One Piece so great imo, at the end of the day it's a goofy pirate story, but whenever very real world horrors, like slavery, are discussed hes honest and doesn't hold back.

[@zockingtroller7788]

​@@Comuniity_ He goes from Driving you around in the Magic School Bus to Running you over with a train so damn fast

[@romi11052000]

The way the chapter is drawn, the fact it’s not fully finished, adds another layer to it. I truly had to stop and look at every panel, it was absolutely heartbreaking

[@satyamsavaran]

my heart sunk when i read this chapter, and i will be honest, i haven't been able to move on, and it's not even a joke. I'm genuinely genuinely so amazed by Kuma. What a man he is. What a great man he is.

[@ElvisB.]

While this was the first time it was very clear with the Celestial Dragons there have been indications of this type of stuff multiple times: 1) Saint Charlos intro was literally stealing someone’s wife and shooting the husband. What do people think was going to happen to her as his new 17th wife?? 2) Boa and sisters were slaves and hate men. I wonder what happened to them 🤔 3) Viola and Dofi in dressrosa sbs I believe was heavily implied to have a relation but he’s the guy that killed her sister and overthrew her father so she wouldn’t be with him willingly. The main demographic for One Piece might be young kids but Oda had been dark in the same way multiple times before and in other ways too like cannibalism and slavery.

[@kain6996]

Specifically hate men that show attraction towards them more than other men…

[@MirrorscapeDC]

Yes. I'm surprised Oda chose to make it this undeniable but not at all that it has happened/is still happening. It has been implied since Sabody

[@Suto_Ko]

It's true that there have been multiple instances in One Piece that have hinted at or depicted darker themes such as violence, slavery, and exploitation. While the series is primarily targeted towards a younger audience, Oda has not shied away from exploring these mature subjects, often using them to highlight the injustices and struggles faced by various characters. The Celestial Dragons, in particular, have been consistently portrayed as a group of individuals who believe themselves to be above the law and engage in various forms of cruelty and abuse. Their treatment of others, as seen in the examples you mentioned, serves to emphasize the power imbalances and societal structures that contribute to suffering and oppression. Oda's willingness to tackle these darker themes is commendable, as it allows him to delve into the complexities of human nature and explore the societal issues that affect the world of One Piece. It also adds depth and realism to the narrative, making it more engaging and thought-provoking for readers of all ages. While some may find these darker elements to be inappropriate for a shonen manga, it is important to acknowledge that they play a significant role in shaping the story and conveying important messages about justice, compassion, and the fight against oppression. Oda's ability to balance these darker themes with the overall lighthearted and adventurous tone of One Piece is a testament to his storytelling skills and ability to connect with a wide range of readers.

[@ElvisB.]

@@Suto_Ko yep but even better he shows that some can and have changed. Take Mjosgard for example. Queen Otohime’s actions changed him and he seemed to have become a good person. Most if not all the Celestial Dragons are prob just raised to not know any better, being told they are gods and they grow up not knowing what others think of them or if they’re actually being cruel. They prob saw their parents doing those same messed up things and were like it must be ok to do them myself as well. I’m so glad Oda made people like Mjosgard or Dofi’s dad. It shows the group isn’t just bad/evil for the sake of evil. It’s more complex than that if you think about it.

[@EAster33]

Tellem

[@chrisnicolet8910]

What kills me is that not only is alt reality Bonnie proof that if Kuma and Ginny got married Bonny would have been born But also that Ginny used he last breath not to mention or request at someone take care of Bonny but to tell Kuma that she loved him and always would She gave Bonny to the old people to take care of her last moment were a declaration that the last 2 years of hell hadn't dimmed her love for Kuma any less

[@BloodBrandy]

Oh shit I didn't think too deep on that. I thought it was just alt future, not complete alt timeline

[@HallowedLight]

Soon as Mugi starts doing weekly 'this chapter is hilarious' Oda immediately picks up the drama and sadness 😂😂

[@garbagecan755]

When the Mugiwara is no Goofy, this chapter HURT bruh

[@rubenmunoz6031]

I just realized kumas interaction with perona is actually sweet. She probably reminded him of boney.

[@D__634]

Pink-haired and feisty Perona that probably prefers dark places. And she was sent to an isolated kingdom that is always dark. Just like Bonney always hiding in the dark.

[@imhulki463]

😭😭😭😭

[@paige2783]

It's so sad because he refused to put her in danger by publicly marrying her..... and then she still got kidnapped and it didn't even matter

[@otterfire4712]

There was already an implication that Celestial Dragons did this when one of the Celestial Dragons declared a woman on the street to be his like twentieth bride on Sabaody. We didn't go much further with that, just saying though there are already horrible implications years ago. Disturbingly enough, there have been actually horrid people like that irl.

[@Poglavnit_Pferdefuhrer]

Are* Bahrain and KSA are literally this way Look up Eman Salehi, straight up Celestial Dragon bullshit there. "Hey pretty lady, wanna be my wife?" " Sir *please* I am *working right now!* Please don't interrupt me and my child! " "Well, _if that's the way you want it to be_ then..."

[@bigidiot8902]

I'm not feeling the laugh tale, I'm feeling anger and sadness

[@insylogo]

The only way this could have been worse for me would be if Ginny was made to suffer some kind of locked-in syndrome because of this disease, unable to communicate with those she loved until she died. So many people in One Piece have mothers who suffered or sacrificed for them. I grew up with that experience myself and while I was young I was both angry and sad at different times because of it. Now, I'm a man and I take care of my daughters and my wife with all my heart and compared to growing up caring for my disabled mother, this is all easy - practically icing on the cake even on the worst days. Sometimes I even feel bad for those who never suffered like I did as a child, because they don't know how good they have it. RIP Ginny though, what a boss. She got her daughter OUT of that tennryuubito cesspool and back to the man she knew would dedicate his life to protecting her. I know why Bonney can smile. She can smile because she knows how much she was loved.

[@justinpatrick8696]

So Bonnie's altered future form (the big buff one) was if Kuma had said yes?

[@aquacustom.]

Ive cried more over this chapter than any chapter ive been present for in the past 5 years ive been reading weekly. This shit hurt

[@slygamer08]

Virtual hug my guy, you are a trooper for getting through this.

[@ivanbluecool]

A crazy chapter and wow oda basically went crazy with how many links he put in this kuma backstory. That's when one piece is at its peak

[@mickeydoe8464]

I’m gonna be honest , Sanjis back story was sad; but I feel like Robin had it the worst out of a lot one piece character. Like her only friends dying words to her “ no matter who are no one is born in this world to be alone.” Then she watched him freeze to death , met and witnessed her moms death in the same day, survived a buster call , being chased as child by any and everyone that wanted her bounty . That has to be the hardest if not top 10 saddest backstories.

[@PortgasDPale]

This portion of Kumas backstory between losing Ginny and getting Bonney reminds me a lot of Yhorm, the Lonely Giant from Dark Souls 3. As a lord, Yhorm risked everything and fought unflinchingly as a one-man vanguard. Following the loss of the one he wished to protect, he forsook his shield. But one day, in place of his shield, a left-hand notch was added to his machete. Enabling the smashing technique of a berserker with nothing left to lose. For he was no longer interested in self preservation, nor the protection of others.

[@a_ninja2376]

9:37 this was so real. I was not really enjoying one piece as much until water 7 and had tried to guessed the entire story from this arc and the next and it was so wrong. I saw none of it coming and was blown away by how much I enjoyed it more than what I crafted in my head. From that point on I just said “alright oda you got me I’ll just let you take me along this ride and enjoy it”

[@seashorerumble1380]

I feel like right when I read the chapter, the implications of what happened to Ginny (although they were clear to me) didn't shock me as much as they shocked most readers. It's like I registered it, I put it aside and I moved on. However as I sit with it and think about the story day after day, the horror and the outrage of it stir in me more and more and it just keeps resonating. This was in my opinion a good chapter to have before break week because it really benefits from us sitting with it and nurturing all the emotions it gave us

[@pinkcatminht]

Everything with Kuma and Ginny made me cry dude. We all knew Kuma's backstory was gonna be heartbreaking, but I don't think anyone expected all of this, man

[@Truck-kun11]

Oda is a smart author, so I doubt this will happen...However, I swear that if in the end they decide to redeem or reform the Celestial Dragons after more than 800 years of pure tyranny and cruelty...I will be extremely unhappy.

[@spectrademonicavods]

Nah they'll all be taking a nice long dirt nap 😊

[@Trefox87]

​@@spectrademonicavodshope they get put under the redline

[@Birthday888]

My theory is that Mariejoa is going to be destroyed, since it's heavily implied that the Redline, and Fishman Island by extension, will be destroyed by the end of the series. When Mariejoa is destroyed, the CDs will have the choice of fleeing and heading down to earth to live among the commoners, or commit to their delusions of godhood. We already see foreshadowing of this by the fact that none of the CDs have really registered what food being cut off from Mariejoa implies. So I think that the majority of the CDs will stay on Mariejoa as it's destroyed and meet the same fate as it, while the handful of survivors will escape to the world below and have a shot of redemption. That way Oda can write the genocide of CDs, without having to draw our heroes mercilessly killing unarmed people.

[@izzyyyyy8998]

I mean, SOME of them can be reformed(although I wouldn't say redeemed). Take a look at all the non-Doflamingo Donquixotes. That said, 90% of them are scum that should be put under

[@firedye3602]

I almost choked when you said "Don't spoil chapters not just for others but FOR ME!" also yeah I feel you about Ginny's backstory. It was done in the best way possible for One Piece but man it's hard to see anyone go through anything like that. Fuck celestial dragons

[@joelsasmad]

The thing about what happened to Ginny is that we already knew they did this. We have known since Sabaody. We just had it happen this time to someone we knew a nit and saw the aftermath. Bonus tragedy: In Sabaody who was the one who stopped Zoro when he was going to lay the smack on the celestial dragon that was forcing a woman to be his wife? It was Bonney.

[@TheRealMystcadia]

I think the pinnacle of a KZbinr is when the viewer watches not for the content but for the person. And mygi watches your videos for your personality, you are hilarious!!!!

[@glassclaws]

tbh if we ever do find out who took ginny for a "wife" im afraid i would turn into "look at this specific absolute asshole that did this" and take away from the issue at large that most if not all of the nobles are at liberty to do that to multiple women and take advantage of it without second thought. the individualistic approach of singling out one bad guy to beat up and solve the problem works for luffy and the mechanics of shounen manga, but seeing as this concerns the singular organisation that opposes the system and the greater evil it just isn't the place for it imho

[@Birthday888]

Eh. We already had that with Charloss though. I feel like we've had too many examples of CDs being human scum that it doesn't matter if they show us who Bonney's biological father was, the issue is still very much systematic. Like, I doubt anyone would argue that it was only this specific CD that commited sexual violence on slaves.

[@Hippo_Hegemony]

​@@Birthday888 yeah but you can never hate the CDs enough, much like the actual government.

[@CopingContinuous]

I really appreciated your honesty, your candor with this subject matter, and your directness saying assault.

[@thethingwithit]

My head cannon while reading this chapter was originally that it was Kuma's child and Ginny just did the same thing that ace's mom did. I know that I was wrong in this but it still made the chapter less sad :/

[@2lazy4uu]

I love How you basically came out of nowhere and now you’re my favorite one piece creator

[@arthurvergolino6859]

mad respect to goofy to talk about the chapter even if it made him uncomfortable. keep being a GOAT mate.

[@Elderfro420]

so happy to have your review/talk out for 1098. easily have become my top 5 one piece channels

[@boots5304]

First time I've been happy for a break. I honestly needed that extra week at this point.

[@errorcopythat]

Honestly I'm gonna need them to start killing celestial dragons for real. The fact that Charlos survived getting turned into a pancake yet oda has no problem torturing and killing the good characters is sending a really weird message

[@BrazenLunatic]

The weird message is just like how Joyboy failed and the Celestial Dragons are the ruling class is, evil sometimes persists. Thats it. Evil is just... There and it needs an active effort to resist it.

[@justinmacdonald2102]

There is a very good reason they couldnt go after Ginny. 1 year before she got taken was when Fisher Tiger rescued all those slaves. Do people really think they didnt add like 12 layers to their security at Marie Jois after that?

[@Darmathecaster]

I hated the fact we never saw her face again after she was kidnapped. It felt oda was just sweeping the character away as swiftly as possible now that she served her purpose of making kumas backstory sad. We should have had a little more focus on Ginny

[@shinkaiatsuya950]

The saddest thing is Kuma left before he could hear Ginny hear I love you for the last time. Oda throwing everything into this past, all that's missing is the kitchen sink.

[@ObitoUchiha-jc4nh]

Kuma definitely deserves a happy ending, he's deserves it honestly. Dragon not sending the revolutionary army makes sense from a perspective of a general, it would equivalent to sending most of the people under his command to die to save one member of the army , it is illogical and a waste of resources

[@sapiensesciencecerveau2523]

I'm a spoiler reader ever since Marineford. For this chapter, I'm grateful to have had the summary, because I am emotionally vulnerable at the moment and had the chance NOT to read that chapter... Or at least have the time prepare before entering that pain bubble

[@HiopX]

a trend I've seen repeated since I follow One Piece weekly in 2005 Fandom: this is the saddest backstory in One Piece Oda: ...so far

[@McBehrer]

5:26 you say that as if it wasn't already an established part of Hancock's backstory. Not the pregnancy, but the rest of it is strongly implied when she says something like "a girl as pretty as me did what I had to to survive enslavement to the Celestial Dragons"

[@Comuniity_]

I always read the line about being "forced to eat DFs" as a pretty clear analogy for SA. In Sabaody Charlos also forces that one woman to become his new "wife" after killing her fiance

[@CosmicGhost66]

It's okay that you're human and have a serious side about serious topics. Glad to see the jokes put aside.

[@HiddenForbidden2]

“Kuma’s backstory is actually hilarious” - Goofy moments before his demise

[@ChelseaSmitherson]

I don't understand why people are so shocked.... this was always heavily implied in the universe ever since Boa was introduced. Celestial dragons aren't all men but Boa HATES men. She's also the most beautiful woman and you think a bunch of incredibly creepy, awful, narcissistic men didn't touch her? Female slaves are also largely synonymous with SA, this shouldn't really be a surprise to anyone just because now there's tangible proof in the form of a child, it's not like Oda showed anything besides Bonny's existence, the SA has always been implied. There's a reason Boa loves the only man who's never lusted after her. that being said.... I'm sorry its such a rough topic for you and I hope you are able to see someone to help you figure your reactions out, and it gets better. Thank you as always for posting such good content

[@vigo2669]

The Celestial Dragons just always seem to one up themselves with how vile they are. It's almost comical how evil they are.

[@Hold_Fast_Clanmcleod]

The first anime I ever watched was Full Metal Alchemist 2003 while it was still on Netflix. And let me tell you I was not expecting something as heinous rape to be implied in such an on the nose fashion. I knew anime could be dark but never expected it to touch on themes THAT dark. And then I watched Boa’s backstory and the way Oda wrote it, clearly implying it but not explicitly saying it and just leaving it up to the viewer to form their own conclusions (even though there’s only one conclusion that could be drawn from that information). Stuff like this is just so incredibly gut wrenching.

[@oblivionfolder7604]

Even though it was a difficult chapter to talk about, thanks for popping on and doing this anyway.

[@Breezely22]

I agree that Oda should never tell us who took Bonnie. I already have my blood boiling over them, and I don't think a murder campaign would be good for the One Piece fan base.

[@DrErikNefarious]

Me before reading the chapter: Oh, so Ginny was pregnant with Bonney BEFORE she got captured Me after:.........................................................oh..............................oh no

[@MFZBitch]

"it triggers me in a way i dont fully understand" just sounds like basc empathy

[@becca_98]

Hey Mugi! I loved what you said about the fandom tendency to predict the story, than getting angry when it doesnt happen their way... Oda always find a way to surprise us and thats my favorite thing in the story, so is kind funny when guys try to right it in his place and dont get how his process works

[@woodward4789]

I remember the week before when I saw Ginny was kidnapped I immediately jumped to the "if Bonney hasn't been born yet, I don't like where this is going" train. They called me a madman. "one piece would never get that dark". It did. Even though I saw it coming though, I wasn't ready for that

[@CreammTeammm]

Dude you said it at the end there. Kuma’s backstory has the whole One Piece community praying for Nika to bring back our joy, just like the characters. Oda definitely did that shit on purpose too the fuckin genius that he is

[@ArgzeroYT]

void century better make us bawl like babies the way this stuff has been going

[@lloyd9819]

This one shuck me up for a few days. It's incredible story telling to make me have such a real reaction.

[@willbrashear]

Also I do agree Oda doesn't need to share the Celestial Dragon's name. Kuma needs to off him off the panels which is why if someone attacks a celestial dragon the admirals show up now. Dragon may not have the information to get Jenny. I hope Oda's not sick.

[@DbpLukcy]

Dead ass was wondering how yu approach this chapter. Well done my friend

[@Xenaximus]

I understand that you say you're specifically looking for the jackass that did that to Ginny. But the thing is, almost all of the Celestrial Dragons do that. And they've always done that. Every single time one steals a "new wife" from the normal people. Just like with what happened to the nurse back in Sabaody. And just like Boa and her sisters. They just treat anyone that's not in their group like objects and trash to be thrown away when they're done with them. They're all vile and disgusting. Oda's just reminding us of that, since it seems some people have forgotten.

[@zoebrennan799]

I feel the same way about these tragedies you’re a good guy man it was really dark

[@happylik_1798]

i will never not get scared at the heartbeat in the background music

[@thaddcorbett2148]

@2:00 - Are those fingerprints on the top of the TV? @4:30 - It's hard to live spoiler free, I agree. But without spoilers, I'd probably go crazy. I'm hooked.

[@erueka6]

How is it hard I've seen it all without a single spoiler since 2009.

[@Flidan]

I'm telling you guys, Kuma has been saving up like 2 years worth of damage and pain to push it all onto Saturn when he gets the chance!

[@ItsMeMonkeyDLuffy]

I’ve restarted watching the whole thing in English dub, nearly at 200, still so good and such a laugh

[@insylogo]

BTW you are a real man just like me, with strong empathy for characters in fiction and real life. I cannot bring myself to watch most disney movies anymore because I am not OK with watching characters lose their families. Lion King, Bambi, Fox and the Hound, etc. Just can't take it, man. I don't want to be showing that stuff to my kids either - they don't need to know trauma like that until they can process it emotionally. One Piece has scenes like this and I can only tolerate it because justice DOES come, even if the arc of the universe is long. Nobody ever stops the hunter in Bambi, though. Fuck that guy.

[@spectrademonicavods]

Well the hunter in Bambi technically wasn't doing anything wrong nor did he know...he probably wanted food. But it still sucks regardless. I have high empathy too. I'm the same as Mugigoof, I CANNOT stand SA scenes or implications. It's worse because I'm female so it could happen to me but thankfully I've gone 27 years without it even coming close. I consider myself lucky.

[@CaptSicnastee]

Dragon did create the martial art style Sabo uses.

[@wikansaktianto9215]

Trauma Olympic, wait until Oda throw The Void Century.

[@WMastersred]

I mean I completely respect Oda for making sure we're reminded how hecking awful the Celestial are. We knew the implication about what they were doing...but since it was always off screen no-named characters it was just abstract awful instead of visceral awfulness.

[@treharewood288]

I gotta agree with Mugi here we don’t need to know who her rapist is we don’t. Him being a Celestial Dragon is already enough for him to deserve death.

[@MasterBow360]

Yah! You're growing your facial hair back! I'm sure their are reasons for shaving, like hygiene or it starting to smell, so do it as many times as you are comfortable with!

[@solarammy2255]

The whole tyrant king thing can still mean so many things

[@Drakno2]

One piece is a very dark story that covers the darkness under humor. the subject was already touched before in sabaody with the woman charlos wanted to kidnap as a new wife and with Boa's backstory

[@not3387]

Oda givin people war flashbacks.

[@cbroo69]

Why couldn't Dragon just be too busy saving another country and him argue with Kuma that he can't value one girl's life over a country? Would make sense and we would see Dragon actually putting in work for once. I'm not asking to see him fight but put him on a Den Den Mushi hiding behind a wall in a fight or some shit or commanding a battlefield. At least give Dragon a story consistent reason because if we see him fight and he's Garp or higher level with how power scaling goes its gunna be mad

[@BloodBrandy]

On the front of Dragon, the issue is...I don't think at that time, they were ready to stage an assault on Mary-Geoise, and weren't until the recent Revely. The Revolutionary Army started out with pretty much nothing and assisting where they could find revolutions already kicking up, and building steam from there. They didn't go from where they were to where they are not overnight. And speaking of "When the flashback ends", keep in mind that this is all a flashback as Bonney is being lifted by Saturn as he orders marines to headshot her, and Kuma is mid-flight to _somewhere,_ so we have to think Kuma is about to "Omae wa Mou Shinderu" Saturn

[@johnoglesby-vw7ck]

Wholeheartedly agree...we do NOT need to know a name, or many more details...it amazes me how triggered fiction can get me🤔😶

[@saynotzai]

I think people who condem Dragon forget that the revolutionary army is trying to be a long term solution to the world goverment. Sure Luffy would go after Ginny regardless of consecuence in this situation (as he did with Robin) but Luffy is not trying to bring down the goverment, as much as he opposes it, he just does it when it directly stands of the way of something he wants. Dragon on the other hand is trying to bring war, to bring revolution and to absolutely dismantle the goverment, to do that you can´t sacrifice a ton of resources and people anytime someone you care about gets captured (regardless of how much you might or migth no want to) because it could bring the whole operation down and then everything is lost. When you lead a cause like a revolution a lot of it is based in the hope and emotion people have regarding way of living, the people on the revolutionary army don´t owe their loyalty to Dragon in the way the strawhats do it to Luffy, the might respect his leadership but their loyalty is with the cause, movilizing them for personal matters (regardless of wether they also cared about Ginny or not) is losing sight of the general cause. Add on that it wasn´t some random dude that took her but a celestial dragon, which you might say aligns with the cause since they are the top of the goverment, but it's clear they can barely take wins in small nations, the scale and consecuences of an attack of that caliber might have ended their efforts (specially since this was 12-10 years ago when they were relatively new) completely or set them back years of planning. Sure it sucks and seems cold, but big scale change is often like that.

[@J-Wolf17FTW]

If anyone would forcibly take Ginny, it would probably be Charlos or his father. It honestly wouldn't surprise me considering all the terrible things they've already done. I'm pretty sure Charlos' father was the one riding Kuma in the Reverie Arc too.

[@MegaZX3]

New to your page and love your content, but I was a die hard Sanji for most Traumatic background story with Law being a strong second. Then boom Kuma and now He’s leading 😭

[@godzilla419]

What I tend to get from Dragon and the rest of the Revolutionary Army not going after Ginny was that they just did not have the man power. Like yeah Fisher Tiger climbed the wall alone, but they were not looking for a random escaped fishman slave, but they have all eyes out for Dragon and his gang. Most likely they could not have sent a rescue mission that would not have cost more lives then they save. That is just how I read it though, and for sure I could be totally wrong.

[@manosbaroulakis9446]

I enjoy the theories but I don't make 'em bc I'm just along for the ride that is One Piece, basically is what you say and I totally agree with that mentality