I DON'T LIKE WHAT PRINCESS HAS DONE ON THE NEW SUN PRINCESS

I DON'T LIKE WHAT PRINCESS HAS DONE ON THE NEW SUN PRINCESS
I'll admit it. I'm pretty excited about taking a cruise on the all new Sun Princess. However while I love some of the new features on the ship. I hate this one change they made to one of the most important areas of the ship.
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[@karateday]

Taking “you slow, you blow” to a new level of frustration. Those mad dashes from the MDR to the theater will be amazing!

[@dianneb9754]

I think it looks fabulous, especially the walk-out cabins to a view of the ocean. I love innovation!

[@brettparnell8254]

I agree that for cruise ships a traditional stage is better. The best show I have ever seen live was on a circular stage (Beatles Love at Mirage Las Vegas), but that theater was built around the show that they knew would run for years on end. Cruises change frequently enough that it's a bad idea.

[@janicespeaks3742]

Agree

[@electrictroy2010]

YEP Cirque Beatles was designed for round stage… most broadway shows & live bands are not. They don’t “fit” on a round stage. BTW Beatles does have a bad view from the sides: The performers typically face front or back of the theater. Good for those customers, but the side seats get ignored. Soooo even for a show designed for a round stage, there are bad seats with bad angles.

[@stevepriest2763]

Put up the ropes and you have a boxing or wrestling arena!😁

[@mikepehoski1723]

you have to give it a chance ,Don, they might surprise you. the performenes might be designed for this stage.

[@heathermichael3987]

Now, Don has to go on the ship to give us all a review of the stage.

[@granthanham9082]

I have to agree with you Don. A " traditional " stage set-up always works best for the majority of the audience.

[@andrealee6191]

Definitely AGREE with you, on this Don!

[@davidl1969]

Oh dear Don, it's looking like old age and a reluctance to change is catching up with you. I think the arena looks fantastic, really immersive, and lots of opportunities for different types of shows.

[@sarahj.8372]

I agree...I hate to see big ships throwing entertainment to smaller circular venues.

[@pamelahicks517]

I agree with you. The round stage will be a disaster. I won't be cruising on the Sun Princess.

[@Doctor_klausmartens]

just saw the Sun Princess Float Out, what a beauty.

[@aussiejohn5835]

I agree 100% and even with having the rear seats removable, it will be the end of the Broadway style Productions.

[@donnag1356]

According to the write up on Princess, the theatre can be configured in different ways, including in the round. It apparently won't always be in the round. Plus you can see a stage in front of the big screen.

[@csh43166]

Theater in the round sounds like a romantic and intimate idea, but in practice, not so much...

[@camilledextraze7104]

Hi Don! You are sooooo right!

[@BibtheBoulder]

That's because he is: "The Don"....

[@dwightlooi]

Jeez... I remember the Sun Princess, from the late-90s! For a moment I thought she's the one you are talking about!

[@patriciaschue4721]

Me too!!!

[@GryphTKai1]

Having done community theater in both a regular theater and theater in the round it’s much harder to preform in the round. Also it really limits what you can do and how you move. Also sight lines are difficult to deal with.

[@kathyhiggins2847]

I’m with you on this one. A pain in the neck for anyone on the sides, Ugh!

[@Freddypt100]

It is understood that all the cruise lines are competing to have the most modern facilities and offer experiences, but I think that in this case Princess differentiates itself by being elegant and traditional, I do not want to see slides on a Princess cruise tomorrow

[@tammygermiller8307]

Exactly!!!

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[@travlnwoman]

If you have not experienced a "theater in the round" you could not possibly know just how cool it really is! The actors learn how to move around on the stage so you never feel like you are just looking at the play from the back. The round theater allows for more people to sit up front. In Fort Atkinson, Wisconsin we have the Fireside theater. The plays put on there are amazing.

[@sandygivens4748]

We have a theater in the round near us and it’s awesome! The stage slowly rotates

[@BlacklistHawk]

Have a little faith. They have a plan. I cant wait to see it.

[@4kboodle]

No, Don, that’s not just you! I certainly don’t think it’s a good design, years ago in SoCal there was a live theater in the round. After the novelty wore off, it didn’t last long for the same reason- no one enjoyed paying those prices for a poor view of the performance while getting a pain in their neck.

[@faygallagher8425]

Personally, I would think this design makes life more difficult for the performers..a lot of stuff goes on behind the stage. Not my preference. I have a hard enough time watching what's all going on in front of me let alone the 360 degree watch. Hopefully the designers can make it work for everyone. Thanks again for update Don.

[@ARFilms2]

If we were talking deserts I'd have 2. OK try a circular circle out but keep the traditional theater as well. I want both please :)

[@02sparklestars02]

I saw the images of the Sun Princess and thought just like you did. Total circles just don’t work as theaters. Hopefully they’ll figure this out before they finish building.

[@brendenn7773]

You are totally correct. I don’t like the new theatre design. I don’t think it will work well.

[@anakerose]

The theatre in the round made me raise my eyebrows too. I guess we'll see if it works.

[@karenjordan5731]

We used to have a theater in the round in Redwood City, CA. It was great! The community had productions there as well as great talent! All the productions were done with the circular theater in mind.

[@electrictroy2010]

Used to have… it went bankrupt because people didn’t enjoy having bad seats. Most broadway shows & live bands are not designed for round stage. The performers face one direction only. Even shows like Cirque du Soleil: The Beatles which is designed for round stage has a bad view from the sides: The performers typically face front or back of the round theater. Good for those customers, but the side seats get ignored. Not good

[@realestateconsultant]

I totally agree. This is also what I thought when I saw the rendering. It looks nice, but it's not practical.

[@damako7072]

I'm from Ontario, Canada and Ontario Place in Toronto had a movable circular stage. It was the best!!! Don you're being too fussy!, lol.

[@Jazzykatt23]

I agree about the 360° stages. They limit the type of performances. I find them being implemented more out of a trend, than a top functioning theatre.

[@ethercruiser1537]

No Broadway type plays on that ship!

[@davidnichols9163]

We are booked for the first cruise. We're looking forward to the cruise. Fortunately, we don't go to the shows. We see comedians, but musical theater is not our thing. Maybe we will go to one just to see what the new theater is like. But there will be a lot to see elsewhere.

[@johnhowes1686]

Not only is it made harder by having a round stage, but the stage also looks relatively small

[@louiefinley4042]

I agree Don We prefer the smaller ones.

[@SuperGoatTV]

I think that stage morphs into a traditional stage so those sections you are worried about can be pulled out of the way and when they do not scream can be moved forward to take their place

[@TracyKMainwaring]

I loved the revolving stage at the old Ontario Place. It's cool to see the performers from a different view point. It will now be choreographed so that everyone sees something of interest. Previously, if you were off to the sides, you got a skewed view as most still happened centre stage. Now, there'll be more interesting choreography

[@electrictroy2010]

most broadway shows & live bands are not designed for round stage. Even shows like Cirque du Soleil: The Beatles has a bad view from the sides: The performers typically face front or back of the round theater. Good for those customers, but the side seats get ignored. Not good

[@janaclark]

Maybe designed to increase sales of plus and premier to get the best, reserved seating.

[@AtomicAgePictures]

In Phoenix we have a theater called Celebrity Theater that has a 30ft round stage with an audience in all directions. It was built in 1962 and the stage has the ability to rotate 360 degrees. The theater opened with South Pacific and by all accounts the show received rave reviews. The theater is famous for having been the filming location of George Carlin's 1978 concert film. Louis C. K. Filmed his 2013 HBO specal there. The theater has hosted the likes of Van Halen, Aerosmith, and the Brian Setzer Orchestra. The theater still exists today and is one of the most popular venues in the city of Phoenix. They have no trouble with the 360-degree audience.

[@electrictroy2010]

most broadway shows & live bands are not designed for round stage. The performers face one direction only. Even shows like Cirque du Soleil: The Beatles which is designed for round stage has a bad view from the sides: The performers typically face front or back of the round theater. Good for those customers, but the side seats get ignored. Not good

[@eminiarvii]

Eh! I am not bent out of shape for a theater, way down on my list of what i look for it will be my 83rd cruise and I am going to be excited to sail on her in 2025. 🚢😊

[@MrSimondrury]

It is possible that the circular stage is designed to rotate. In any case, many shows will be designed specifically for use on this type of stage bringing a different dimension to entertainment possibilities.

[@OriginalWillowbark]

Theatre in the round is AWESOME! You'll love it :D

[@christineholt6610]

Don I don’t think you need to worry. Most of what you’re talking about are issues of staging and production and any theatrical company worth its salt will understand those issues and manage them. Plus princess is very wired in to Hollywood and I’m sure they will create special productions just for this venue (and the ones that will follow on later ships).

[@ginakutsch1001]

I have been to a theatre in the round before for some pretty big shows (incl. Sound of Music) and it is pretty cool if done right. It is definitely a bit different, but can also be quite creative and cool. I hope you have the same experience I did and enjoy the experience.

[@electrictroy2010]

most broadway shows & live bands are not designed for round stage. The performers face one direction only. Even shows like Cirque du Soleil: The Beatles which is designed for round stage has a bad view from the sides: The performers typically face front or back of the round theater. Good for those customers, but the side seats get ignored. Not good

[@cindygriffiths5917]

I think it looks amazing

[@Sarkus01]

Round stages work but only for the events designed for them. For other events the good venues simply don't put people into the bad seats. Hopefully that is the plan here. However, the inclusion of screen means that they are probably banking on some of the seats being bad for looking at the stage but you can see whats happening on the background screen.

[@electrictroy2010]

Cirque du Soleil: The beatles uses a round stage with screen. It’s mainly used to show scenery, not the performers. You still have to watch the stage

[@careym3901]

You gotta love auto generated closed captioning. “ Hi everyone, it’s dawn & I hope you’re having a fantastic day’😂

[@genamaxwell8885]

If you ever come to DC. Go to the Arena Stage. It has a theater that is circular and it works great.

[@kmitchell1150]

I agree totally

[@NeedtoSpeak]

Theater in the round never caught on, back in the day. I think Princess needs to think more about how to staff this new ship and how to prevent the spread of illnesses. Cleaning, not cramming more people onto a floating Petri dish should be job #1.

[@billb945]

I hope the balconies are a little bigger than on Royal Princess. Theater in the round works in smaller venues but it doesn't seem to scale up well., especially when you try to put a more traditional stage show on them. Quite limiting.

[@debisantikian6718]

Hi Don 😊 I agree!! Thank you for the update !! I will be on the Enchanted Princess in May 🛳️

[@mags102755]

I have directed many productions on a 360 stage. They will have to adjust the seating to satisfy customers in my humble opinion.

[@catmomjill]

I agree with you!

[@BibtheBoulder]

...and I agree with you.....

[@joannrichter9754]

Looks like it might rotate and maybe it will be just for music performances looks too small for a big production show

[@cliffordgolub76]

Most theater's in the round I have seen have rotating stages. The staging is all arranged for the particular stages. Just enjoy the FREE entertainment.

[@bmills9821]

I have the same opinion Don .I told my wife the same exact thing in January when we first saw it while on board the Royal. Myself being in a wheelchair looks like this design will be tougher to see the performance.

[@cheersgxp2466]

The Rotterdam has the round stage with the screen too. It worked but much prefer the traditional stage.

[@classyfiftynine8208]

Don... I agree w/ you regarding a circular stage. I wondered if the performer(s) would need to walk down the aisle, in front of the seated audience and climb the stairs to get onto the stage ???!!! At the end of the performance, the cruise-director would need to do the same as the performer walks down the stairs and somehow "exits" the venue. Perhaps there'll be a trap-door on the floor of the circular platform ??? Perhaps the stage-platform will rotate ???

[@williamjusick2404]

I hope your concerns are alleviated by great planning by princess❤

[@looknbakatu]

someone WASN'T! thinking about the design!

[@mandycox4554]

Totally agree Don.. For eons theatre have been designed so we can all see up front shows - I fail to see how a magician show I saw on a Princess cruise in the Caribbean a few years ago would transfer to a circular stage. If a front stage set up it was good enough for the Greeks, Romans and Shakespeare, it should be good enough for Princess (ha ha_). I just hope Princess are taking head of the comments your followers are making.

[@anita_R]

I prefer the round stages. I go on the Aida ships a few times a year. They spin.

[@montyboswell6509]

I have seen rotating stages for band performances, and that was fine. I just don’t see how it would work with a production show. Lois

[@electrictroy2010]

most broadway shows & live bands are not designed for round stage. The performers face one direction only. Even shows like Cirque du Soleil: The Beatles which is designed for round stage has a bad view from the sides: The performers typically face front or back of the round theater. Good for those customers, but the side seats get ignored. Not good

[@Drjanetta]

Oh gosh - entertainment is my least priority! We cruise to sit on our balcony , watch that awesome ocean - enjoy a decent meal - our cabin - oh yes!

[@brentpayne4215]

Doing a good time

[@gailf1853]

I have been to theater in the round. Only 1 show had view issues which was due to set. (Church Basement Ladies) The stage center goes up and down and spins. There is also a square section in one corner that also sinks n rises. A musical player or band can rotate slowly. Screens are set in 4 corners and there are stairs in one corner. It works well.

[@electrictroy2010]

Cirque du Soleil: The Beatles is designed for round stage, but still has a bad view from the sides: The performers typically face front or back of the round theater. Good for those customers, but the side seats get ignored. Not good

[@gailf1853]

@@electrictroy2010 sounds like a bad director/choreographer. In the round means just that. Every side is the front.

[@debbiem73]

There’s a theater like that here but the stage rotates. I still hate it though 😂

[@williammandel9378]

Theater in the round has been successfully produced for centuries, including Shakespeare's Globe Theater. I hope they're not discontinued just because some passengers are used to two-dimensional shows.

[@jongreen7119]

I saw Neil Diamond in the round years ago in San Diego. Looks like a nice place for music.

[@BBBILLY86]

Where I live there was a theatre called the Coliseum. It was a round stage that rotated. Had some big for the time acts perform there. I agree the traditional stages are alot better.

[@BBBILLY86]

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[@burkestorti4586]

News flash! In the1960's theaters in the round were popular. In fact, where I lived (SF bay area), they built such a theater. They had performances ranging from musical theater, comedians, singers etc. It works. Wait & see before you decide. By the 1980's it failed & was torn down.

[@MichelleAlexandria-EM]

agree. I'm not a fan of round theaters. It limits the type of shows you can have there and you can get stuck looking at someone's back. I'm thinking aboit booking this for my British Isles trip next yr but not happy with this design

[@susanbrezina3669]

You’re right! There’s really only once section in the center that will have a great view! What we’re they thinking??

[@markevans8262]

Are we sure the stage doesn't revolve? We have a theater here in town that has a similar setup. The revolving stage is a nice effect.

[@donaldwest6998]

Hi Don, where I live in Massachusetts we have a theater in the round, and its very enjoyable. You need to experience it before dissing it.

[@douglasbray3563]

Good Evening Don

[@TSKseattle]

I saw a show on the Discovery Princess that was a bar setting, with the singer/dancers coning in and out of the stage from the back. I'm wondering how a show like this would be set in the round. You have to be able to move the performers on and off the stage for different numbers.

[@elainebalmer6801]

I completely agree. I also hate the skydome on P&O Iona and Arvia being used for performance. The acoustics are terrible and you are just sitting on sun beds round the pool.

[@lynnfranklin5098]

Good point on theatre. But what about MDR I think that will be NOISY

[@jamesconway4821]

You're overall concerns about Princess designs and layouts of their newer class of ships are the same concerns that many have. The problem with Princess these days is their design in general ever since they came up with the royal class princess vessel. There simply is not enough venues in different areas to enjoy. Princesses has become extremely greedy and it's all about putting as much people on board at the same time as possible. And this majorly reflects in their design of their new ships from the royal princess class forward.. oddly enough even though the cruise ships are made larger with the new princess design. The interior show lounges and dining rooms and entertainment venues are actually smaller. However there are many more cabins then that of your average Princess ship. And although the other areas have shrunken in size they still try to squeeze the same amount of people into smaller areas that would have normally sat comfortably with larger areas. When princess had the Caribbean princess design with the large Skywalker's Lounge on the back tail of the ship with larger main dining dining room and larger entertainment lounges. Those ships had a very comfortable feel to them that were very easy to navigate the layout. However these new designs from the royal princess class of ships and now their new design going forward from the royal class are really extremely lacking in design. In addition to that the service on board ships have also decreased instead of increased as would be expected by the overall size of the ship. However princess has chosen to staff their ships with less crew members and yet have more passengers. It's all about maximizing the profit per square footage. That these new Chinese designs have enthralled with in the architecture and overall layout of their new class vessels. Leaving people with a very negative impression of princess. Especially when they have previously been on better design princess ships expecting that kind of gracious layout they are met with a more cut back less space available design for entertainment lounges and dining venues. Making everything onboard their new design cruise ships smaller including their corridors their cabins their lounges basically all of their interior spaces even the public restrooms. Simply put princess is not what they used to be. It's like comparing a large graciously equipped Big Comfy Cadillac. To a small compact car. They're just not the same. Meaning the design of the new princess ships has all been made very compact with their interior designs instead of having big open areas like that of the past. The areas are much more compact but yet Force same amount of people into those small areas that normally would be sitting comfortably in a larger better design. Which seems to be Princesses new philosophy all the way around. Pay more get less.

[@j.m.7056]

Agreed!

[@mandycox4554]

Totally agree James. The Majestic which I just cruised on in the South Pacific felt crowded, an experience I have never had before on a Princess cruise. I am now going to avoid cruising on the royal class of ships, and maybe even Princess in the future. The public areas are too small for the volume of people in the larger ships.

[@Edera7795]

I love theater in the round.

[@Reed-2big]

Me too, I used to have season tickets to a theater that was in the round! However, not all plays or performances are suitable to that format. They had a traditional stage for other plays. Not all plays were Greek but those certainly work! In fact weren’t they all in the round? Entrances from all four corners certainly added to being engaged. We had one performance that involved a musical production from a blind troupe. The pianist sat with is back to one of the corners and the performers moved to various points so that you never felt you were watching from back stage.

[@BibtheBoulder]

I much prefer it in the rectangle...

[@Reed-2big]

@@BibtheBoulder Actually the Arena Stage in DC is square!

[@incogneato76]

Looking more closely at the artist's rendition of the Princess Area, even though the round stage can be reconfigured or removed and a more traditional stage can be installed after removing a couple of sections of seats, there are a lot of remaining seats on the sides right next to the stage area that will have very challenging views. It also looks like there is significantly less overall seating compared to the traditional Princess Theater seating. With increased passengers onboard this will make it difficult to get seats. Although with the move to the Class-based concept, the swanky suites, mini-suites, and cabana suites will probably be given the first choice of the best seats.

[@kennethjenkins3972]

Hmmm…??? The theater design that has worked for hundreds of years well let’s throw that out and do what our competitors are doing! Better yet let’s make ours even more unconventional and impractical, that will really impress our customers! Everyone else in the room….that’s marvelous, simply amazing sir, you’ve outdone yourself, you’re a genius!!! 😂😂😂

[@brentpayne4215]

Like a broad way show

[@tvaud]

Did you ever cruise before 1990? All ships had a lounge where the stage area was in the round. It worked.

[@marklines4396]

Hi Don. We are Platinum on Princess but I don’t see us cruising on this ship. We have no interest in going on even larger ships. We will stick to the existing fleet and other smaller lines. We just had our first Oceania cruise with about 700 passengers and we loved it!

[@barbb9903]

Bad idea. Are thry trying to make the theater smaller to put in more cabins? Don't know what they are thinking.

[@ruthkringle1353]

I knew that was going to be your concern. Where are the handicap seats also? I’m going an hour early so I can sit in that area for the show. I was later one night and the people sat there didn’t appear handicapped. You can’t judge just because they don’t have walkers, canes, wheelchairs or scooters.

[@christineainslie4239]

Just a thought, maybe the stage itself will rotate around 360°.

[@lindalischer2842]

Hi Don, we love your show and always look forward to hearing your thoughts on different situations. If you have a minute please give us your thoughts….we were considering taking a Holland America cruise because we like itinerary! We were told Holland is more for older people specially on long cruise… we are looking at a 34day cruise ., You have been on both…. How would you compare Holland to Celebrity… which we normally cruise.Thank you

[@mikeshaw4610]

Possibly the stage will slowly move.

[@harlanabraham7772]

Don. how are the dining areas and the casino. I don't like crowded ships. Don't know about the round stage. Doesn't sound good to me. How are the dining rooms going to be? How about the casino? Are they going to have performers at the lounges? I like the traditional theater too.

[@Calendyr]

I am guessing they will only have shows designed for that circular stage. I guess will will find out next year when the ship launches. I am not worried, any hickup can be worked out. The people who work in the entertainment arm of Princess know what they are doing.

[@allenmyers8568]

Where I live in Washington, D.C., the Arena Stage has been a theater-in-the-round for 40 years or so. Shows are staged for the theater so that everyone sees the show and no one misses out. I expect Princess will do the same for this new stage.

[@RonnyCorona]

They'll probably have non traditional, possibly interactive entertainment in there. I don't even go into the showroom when I'm cruising. After a while the shows all blend together. I think there might be something along the lines of acrobats, Cirque de Soliel. Things that are different from the norm. It certainly lends itself to being a late night dance venue. YES!

[@electrictroy2010]

I cannot imagine doing acrobatics on a moving ship. They go to do a jump, the ship hits a wave, and the acrobat misses the rope he was trying to catch.

[@EKA201-j7f]

​@@electrictroy2010 I went on a cruise where it was a little rough and the acrobatic performers were fantastic, had real audience participation, worrying for them and hearty applause to let them know we certainly approved of them stopping the show after they did a move we weren't sure they should have. I don't know how, but we had some real communication going on.

[@RonnyCorona]

@@electrictroy2010 I'm sure whatever type performance is done ship movement will be taken into account. Acrobatics is just an example. There was a really entertaining show we saw on Ovation of the Seas in the 270 Showroom that was happening all around us. There really wasn't a single focal point for the audience. Lots of fun. I can see them doing something like that in the "Sphere". I'm more excited that it will be a multi-use venue, again like 270 on the Ovation. They had dancing in there!

[@alabamaal225]

I just hope the Princess' "Theater in the Round" venue can be permanently reconfigured to the more traditional "eyes front" style. Princess is going to have to do it fairly soon after launching. When I first learned about the 360 degree theater, I had the same misgivings as Don.

[@Mudford63]

Just watched a vid from princess with their director of Entertainment. She explained the whole stage setup and it’s very interesting on what they have done from storing the extra seats that will be removed for straight on viewing to how the stage it’s split and also rising and lowing. We will check it all out on February 8th when we sail on her. Will you be on this cruise?

[@ruthkringle1353]

Saw an illusionist last night on Regal. Would they have a projection of it if I was facing his back in the round? Are the forward facing seats going to be reserved for the rich people that can afford the higher price packages and suites?

[@winos73]

Not just you‼We did the Rotterdam in November and just did the Edge. HATE HATE those stages! As of the end of this year we will have been on 80 cruises! And we’ve got to want them as we live in NC, 4 more left this year! We started in 1985 on Ncl sundward II . Man, have we seen some changes! But this is the pits! We miss the shows with people!