I Dropped Out Of Computer Science

I know a lot of you that watch my channel are students and you have probably considered getting a degree in Computer Science. Maybe you're already in one or maybe you're considering dropping out of one. In my experience I did decide to drop out of university and in this video I am going to share with you a little bit about what was going on in my life at the time that I made that decision and if I have any regrets. I hope you enjoy!
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[@tessapugh868]

I'm an engineering student at the university of waterloo, and your story is quite a common one for our software engineering and computer science students. UW has a really coop-heavy program, you do 6 coops, 4 months each, over your degree, so very often in 2nd, 3rd year on coop 3 or 4, students will get picked up by microsoft or tesla or google and never come back. the money is good enough, they have the skills, there's really nothing left for them to gain from school so they stop going. It just really reaffirms that university is not about the piece of paper at the end, its about what you learn and who you meet, and if you've learned what you need and met who you can its time to move on. glad you dont regret your decision :)

[@TheFootballPlaya]

i love that design of a program. wish my school did that. they don't require anything for CS / SWE but they do for business for some reason

[@tessapugh868]

@@TheFootballPlaya its incredible, i would encourage taking a coop to anyone considering it. I'm taking a coop outside my field and its still fascinating and interesting and i love working, its my last week and i'm genuinely sad. If your program doesn't have coop you can always create one, take a term or a year off and find someone that will hire you, its worth it

[@TheFootballPlaya]

@@tessapugh868 could you elaborate more on creating a coop? how does that process work?

[@tessapugh868]

@@TheFootballPlaya I've never done it this way but as far as i understand it, its like a disorganized coop. (ideally) find somewhere willing to hire you (linkedin "computer science intern", find a company you think is cool and email, etc.) and if you find someone willing to take you on, take school off for that long. Or, look for an internship over the summer (that way you don't have to take school off). At the beginning of a degree, 4 months is a really great amount of time to spend somewhere, but I get the sense that later in your degree its better to spend longer in a single place (esp if you want to be hired there full time when you're done)

[@TheFootballPlaya]

@@tessapugh868 i wish i would've known about this earlier. i'm about to graduate lol RIP. but good to know, none the less, if i go for grad school for something else, i'll keep this in mind.

[@jacques-dev]

TLDR Don't drop out unless you've found success in something else.

[@itsmemax23]

*TLDW

[@climbit9555]

I have a math master degree and work in a data science team for ~2 years now. Mostly because of your videos (and programming expert) I grew into a mostly Python software engineering role there. You are truly my hero Tim and you helped me learn so much!

[@CompSciCentral]

If people can find success outside of college, I think that's amazing. For me, I'll be finishing my CS degree in a couple weeks and it feels amazing!

[@vortex_7574]

Hell yeah dude! Congrats!! I'll be starting my undergrad in CS in Fall🙌

[@CompSciCentral]

@@vortex_7574 Thanks! Good luck, I'm sure you'll do excellent!

[@CompSciCentral]

@string name; Yea I for sure have senioritis. You're almost done tho, that's going to feel so amazing. A word of advice, if you can get a summer internship it would look awesome on your resume!

[@vortex_7574]

@@CompSciCentral Thank you! Let's get it!🙌

[@TheJackTheLion]

You are making the right call my man. None of these people know what life looks like 28 years from now. STAY in school!!! It shows discipline, a very valuable career trait.

[@FahimAmin]

You're close to 1M. Congratulations in advance! You've done a lot for the community. 😊

[@thierryeeman3484]

I decided at 37 to finally get my computer science degree, so opposite side of the spectrum here. It takes guts to stray from a safely paved path. So congrats to the both of us, and I wish you all the best! I've learned a lot from you already, will continue to follow your work!

[@rightcliquegod7653]

Best of luck!

[@thierryeeman3484]

@@rightcliquegod7653 Thanks a lot! Best decision of my life I have to say. So many new opportunities and people to meet.

[@rightcliquegod7653]

@@thierryeeman3484 You sound super excited man, Happy for you I'm sure you'll appreciate that experience even more!

[@josephthecreator]

Congratulations. I'm 34 and will be graduating with my CS (associate degree) in July. It's never too late!

[@MeanAndy]

I went back at 32 and about to finish, so I know how you feel. It's been good, bad, fun, depressing, fascinating and heartbreaking. A long four years but nearly there...

[@clem]

Well done, Tim! Your story is super impressive. 💪 And for what it’s worth, as I had told you back when you made the decision to drop out, I think you made the right decision. 🤝

[@arkgatere2543]

Hello @Clem and @Tim, You both inspire me alot, but I had a question kindly, Is it assured that in an year period, a person like me who has deep passion for tech and is willing to give his best in learning can defer for an year and get a job in that period once am committed to learn?

[@DanFFA]

@@arkgatere2543 nothing is ever assured. Everyone's minds work differently too

[@kobalt9299]

Why does your ad have that weird lady that looks like she wants to give you cocaine

[@kobalt9299]

Tim and clement should stop it

[@DanFFA]

@@kobalt9299 stop what?

[@zeppelin1qaz]

You've gone way beyond a degree now. You have skills, profile, communication talent and you've built a successful business.

[@rokrok27]

A network* and Exactly

[@sentdex]

I *still* have predicament dreams where I'm still in college and college is conflicting with my business and I have to make the decision to drop out or let business suffer. Its an extremely difficult choice... one that I apparently still struggle with in my 30s. xD

[@TechWithTim]

Glad to hear I’m not alone! Was something I contemplated for a long time…

[@KartiKKaushiKYt]

Man, I remember my first trimester at uni doing computer science, I was doing really bad. So, I searched how to be a good cs student. I saw your video on the topic. Man it changed my whole outlook on how I was going about my degree. Last trimester I got HDs (high distinction) which is the best grade you can get in Melbourne in all the units for that trimester. Thanks a lot.

[@leisuregamer1419]

any internships?

[@seifabdelkefi1429]

Your tutorials on Selenium and Beuatiful Soup helped me a lot to do my web scraping side project which landed me an internship this summer. I would have never done it if it wasn't for u. or maybe would have but in so much more time and with so much more pain, that s the cool thing about your vids, you make everything look simple and straightforward in no time. Keep going man! Road to 1 MIL!

[@solarwinds5114]

I used to be a Computer Science major but I found out that I enjoyed my math classes a lot more but struggled with the hardcore programming in CS so I switched to Computational Mathematics. It has coding but way less intense than CS and more of an emphasis on math which I find myself way better at. But nowadays you can learn a lot of skills not just through university system and I didn't like how CS was taught in the school setting.

[@segfal]

I also did the same, I dropped my Computer Science degree to go for a math degree. I felt like taking the math courses made me understand data structures and algorithms more clearly, it even made leetcode easier. So yea It's the best decison ever and alot of the Computer Science stuff you can learn online or by example.

[@OneworldKW]

That's exactly my story

[@Elriogranade]

Guys in a nutshell: Do'nt drop college, unless you are a smart guy you can and if you can you will notice things that make you think you can drop. You don't just wake up in the morning and after this video and says fuck it I'm out

[@Dr.Viperbeta]

Ain’t even start the video but good luck with your journey

[@TechWithTim]

I appreciate that Viper :)

[@matt._.1382]

I have a degree in electrical engineering but work as a software developer. My main qualifications were from my internships and research projects that I took up. None of the companies ever cared to ask about my degree or results

[@alidawahfan1176]

Same man I Also graduated from electrical and now work front end developer

[@johnwig285]

Sure but they took you in because of the internships which u obtain thru uni. Non-college ppl like me dont have the privilege of access to internships and research projects, even if we apply we get rejected or no reply lol

[@phostings]

Tim, you were the first youtuber i watched when I started taking programming seriously. Though the concepts were very weird, I gradually fell in love with programming. It has officially been a year since I started watching you and man, I'm still surprising myself of how much of a programmer I am today. Thank you for making the sacrifices to continue to educate the world because programming IS the future and we need to teach the youth, young.

[@oq066776]

Tim, you're the teacher everyone wanted in school but never got. I never could have even found where to start when I decided to start learning cs until someone showed me you channel. You're a truly intelligent and skilled person, we're lucky you created this channel.

[@ron-davin]

hey Tim. Just wanna say thank you! you helped me learn Python OOP and it served me well in my career

[@danielburrell4749]

Good luck. In my country you don't really have much options. I'm from a third world country. The best thing you can do here is definitely get a degree.

[@samdroid37]

i would love more story time with Tim! lol. happy to see you at this level in your career. you should be damn proud of yourself! getting close to that 1mil subscriber mark i see. ;)

[@nirupamjollymullassery4335]

Your videos made me land on a software engineering career from a mechanical engineering job. Cant thank you enough man. Keep rocking !!

[@levibruh1139]

I got my computer science degree last week. You are one of the youtubers I have to thank in helping me prepare for my classes and exams. I honestly learned more from you and other people on youtube than I did from my classes

[@medaminelembarki373]

To get a job nowadays can be done without having a diploma, precisely in your case, you have created this trust with the recruiters through the time you have invested on this channel. I didn't have this perspective 5 years ago, but now I totally agree and I wish you a very good continuation in your career.

[@hectorg362]

I barley graduated this past semester with my CS degree. I honestly struggled a lot and never liked it. I had several thoguths of dropping out but never did.

[@ianbdb7686]

Glad to hear good luck on your career

[@janchan2258]

Were you just not into programming? Or is there a more specific reason?

[@TechmanSpace]

I dropped out because of some psychological issues. Glad that you are ok.

[@Toopa88]

@@janchan2258 CS isn't that much about programming actually (in my case at least). For that you probably want to study something else that focuses on software development. CS is more about maths (nothing too advanced), problem solving and learning concepts (and details) that are nice to know about, for example networking, security, machine learning, algorithms and data structures, computer vision/graphics, etc. You learn how many things work under the hood - not in terms of hardware but software and also operating systems. You know about topics/details most self-taught programmers don't know because they either skipped them because too boring/annoying/hard or because they never heard of these topics to begin with. However, one thing you definitely don't learn at university is programming, which means that you'll have to invest a lot of time in your spare time to get better at it. If you don't, you'll end up writing code that is hard to maintain and scale. (I think a good example of that are data science students 😅)

[@janchan2258]

@@Toopa88 ironic that it doesn't teach programming lol I can solve calculus but i dont actually understand what im doing I just memorize steps and solve and get A's, do you think i can survive in cs ?🤔

[@alaanasser3243]

Love your content Tim. I personally would love to hear more from you about the perspective of taking the non-conventional route to work in programming. I am 38 and learning Python and ML. Since you already have connections in the industry, it would be nice to bring content on how to work as freelance (with no CS degree) particularly in the Machine Learning field (you already spoke about making money with Python which was awesome).

[@stanleymbah8983]

I Dopped out of Physics BSC after i found out about ML, AI and DEEEPLEARNING.. i was just super fascinated by it and i knew i had the mind for it. i'm happy i found a passion for work.. i learnt almost everything from Tim and Udemy.

[@musazwane6049]

Did you get a tech role or begin a startup?

[@stonekay8698]

Dropped out of computer engineering the same time as you But I’ve been able to learn more stuffs on my own School felt like everything was about exams And I felt I wasn’t getting my monies worth had to drop out

[@aashishmaharjan4451]

Cheers !! I’m graduating this spring and your tutorial have taught me more than all myclasses combined. Thank you

[@roberto366]

The main con with dropping out and not getting an actual degree is due to not being able to be hired in government jobs. sure you can get lucky, but probably wont be paid the same as if you had the degree. for private sector, knowing how to sell your knowledge in job interviews is more important. i would advice anyone who is already studying cs to finish it. Tim got lucky by knowing how to sell himself and his skills via yt and side projects. If you can stand out like that, then sure risk it, but for most people getting the degree is a solid path.

[@danceswithdirt7197]

I also think that it can be helpful for introverts who aren't all about the salesmanship to say "here's my degree, here are my certifications, I did this project in school and was a part of these organizations". I think it's important to consider the options carefully. Tim is great and incredibly skilled but he also got lucky (which is great; I am so happy for him) - if he wants to sell himself he can just point to this channel and the livestreams and his small business empire and show that he's been working his ass off.

[@Adrian-nq2bp]

If public sector does not appreciate the same skills learnt the other unique way then it is just another proof for its inefficiency and another reason to go to real companies. I agree that CS is useful but the argument you gave is missed. What the degree can give you is more in deph understanding of theoretical concepts that are behind the technical stuff, which is very useful especially in data science. One can also learn it on their own but some may find it more difficult without external pressure.

[@danielleedottech]

This isn't necessarily true if you have prior military experience.

[@koomooboo]

A lot of tech hiring managers only hire or promote people with a college degree. There are tons of articles telling people go to a tech boot camp instead of colleges/universities. Well they didn't tell you the whole story. For the long run, it might take you much longer to get the same level as a college graduated level. It seems like a lot of money for the tuition now but with a tech job you can make it back in one or two years. I'm a hiring manager and it's a must to hire only people with a college degree not boot camps.

[@johnv5156]

Here's a pro-tip, it's not dropping out, it's reallocating resources for the best ROI.

[@luukvolkering]

I did drop out a couple of years ago and I am starting again in September. In the Netherlands it's just really hard to land a job in software development without a degree.

[@daple1997]

I just want to say beware of a possible real estate crash if you bought in the GTA or Vancouver. The rates are coming up and there is a potential for the bubble to pop. But otherwise ur doing great. You are truly pursuing happiness

[@mastershooter64]

Did you continue learning more advanced computer science stuff on your own after dropping out? like did you teach yourself the stuff you would've learned if you stayed in college or was that not that important to the work you were interested in?

[@cssanimationeffects2649]

@@CarsonPerrons any links?

[@matheusgafanhoto8232]

@@amir3515 Damn, kinda salty.

[@echoptic775]

@@JankSmanks he didnt say it was wrong😳

[@sudo_garrett]

in my experience, Tim certainly has. i haven’t watched this video yet…. but just from consuming his content. he already knows the important things of CS to be an impactful SWE. so it’s a waste of money and waste of time for him. he would only be getting a piece of paper for MOST people. just sticking with it it be better IMO

[@mastershooter64]

@@JT-oc2dn Lol he said he was making money, and saved up enough money to buy a house, why so bitter?

[@sigmachadgigamale]

Pretty crazy I started watching you as a dirt broke college student, when I decided that computer science was something I wanted to take seriously. Working at u-haul and living off ramen, loans and caffeine. You seemed so on top of your craft. Now I'm a homeowner and spend my time tinkering with pet projects and working in a really cool swe job that doesn't even really feel like a job, even in crunch times. I stuck out my college degree, and I regret it. It was wasted time, learning about things like data structures, basic algorithms, compilers and all that was useful but it was taught with extremely archaic technologies by predominantly old people who were completely oblivious to how much the world has passed their knowledge by, and were totally unwilling to listen to feedback to update anything. Most of what I learned was useless. Totally useless. I realized this 2 and a half years in, and started doing the absolute bare minimum for grades and spending the rest of my time focusing on learning the ins and outs of the internet and building apps. It was these personal side things I was learning about, the projects I built on my own because I wanted to build them, that got me my internships and contracts while I was in college. It wasn't my college experience. And once I was out of college, it was my previous internships and contracts that built my career, not my college degree. So my advice to anyone considering going to college for computer science or dropping out from their degree, take a good long look at yourself in the mirror and ask yourself these questions: "Do I want to do this?" "Can I see myself doing this for a long time?" "Am I learning this because I enjoy looking at an empty folder, and turning it into a codebase that does something cool?" "Do I look stuff up on my own that has nothing to do with my coursework, because it is useful to something I want to build" If you answered yes to these questions, it is highly likely your best career move would be to forget college.

[@YUNIKARN]

Thanks for working hard for the community! I finished my BSc Maths at 36 and my MSc Maths at 40. You have plenty of time if you want to complete your degree. Programming is best learned by doing projects. Python is the Way!

[@guipe7712]

Hi Tim your videos are great and I have learned a lot from them. Many times watching your videos motivates me with new ideas for different projects. Having said that, I would like to add that the education system with computer science is a bit outdated and I think many of us have experienced events similar to yours. Where we learn more by studying on our own and we are also more productive developing software or teaching others outside our house of study. You are not the only one who has been in a situation like this, even Zurkeberg graduated 8 years after he had already consolidated his company. So I encourage you with your knowledge and experience you will move forward and get great results

[@sebbyapudo7357]

I'm in University but your channel is my University, thanks Tim, You're my Python champ

[@richardmasters2045]

School Is For learning how to learn and to learn discipline in your chosen field. Yes f you want a job at a major corporation yes you're going to have to have a degree but more importantly you have to have knowledge and discipline. Because especially in computer science it's a continuous learning journey so a degree is never enough you must have the discipline to keep learning on your own

[@ankitaburman5406]

Way to go Tim , well I m not a student and been in the software industry for sometime now , but ever since I found your channel , I got to know so much about programming and fallen in love with programming , and I could feel my enthusiasm has heightened Thank you so much for doing this Tim. Keep rocking

[@maple3226]

Dont expect you to be successful as Tim. If you are not skilled as him and don’t have a great portfolio like him, degree could be a great asset but I feel like universities should tell their students that learning on your own is a HUGE part of the CS industry.

[@ahmadsaeid]

I would go back and complete the 1.5 years. The degree might not be able to provide you with what you want now, but you might want something in the future, and won't have the ability or time to do it, when you will need it. With that being said, you have a talent for teaching, and when I am stuck and need a quick tutorial on KZbin, I look specifically for a few KZbinrs' videos, and you are one of them. I really hope you get that degree.

[@nothingiseverperfect]

The Sunken Cost fallacy is something I think everyone should learn about. *“tendency to follow through on an endeavor if we have already invested time, effort, or money into it, whether or not the current costs outweigh the benefits.”* Deciding to drop out after 2 years is very difficult. The future ahead is unknowing and going with a concrete, more perceivable path like continuing with college is much easier than dropping out and pursuing something that may or may not workout. Even 1 year in to school and deciding to drop out is a difficult decision. Thank you for video Tim, glad to see that it worked out. Good luck to everyone else in your paths.

[@mehmetemineraslan5948]

I dropped mechanical engineering after 3/4 years and it was one of the hardest decision that i ever made but i am glad it payed out and you are so right about this

[@droneguy69]

I'm currently taking data science courses online and I can relate to your situation. I thought about dropping out of the program myself but I might miss some important stuff.

[@johnwig285]

You'll miss the important connections. Be like Tim, drop out only once u alr secure employment or internship

[@vectoralphaSec]

I regret going to school. I graduated 2 years ago in 2019 with a bachelor's in Computer Science and still can't and haven't gotten a job 2 years later.

[@vectoralphaSec]

@@mrdkaaa Impossible.

[@Dontcaredidntask-q9m]

Either your cv sucks, you haven't practised interviews/talking to people, or you've done 0 side projects/hobby work. The software job market is absolutely booming right now

[@LucasDimoveo]

dropped out a decade ago and got stuck with minimum wage jobs. school for me is a must 😢

[@roni5245]

I like these types of videos, I would be glad if you posted more videos like this

[@learntostrafe]

This was me a couple years ago. I got lucky and landed an internship which landed me a full time job. The boss didn't care if I had a degree or not he just saw that my work ethic and skills was good. I learned more in a week at that job than an entire semester of a class. I plan on finishing my last year sometime in the future but right now I'm better off without school breathing down my neck.

[@ifur]

University is a place where you build your network plus it’s the place where you get your 101 lessons and actually have to know about stuff so you can pass. When it comes to CS I believe after you got into it, you can learn way faster online and be better just by yourself. This is my observation with my friends, I studied Linguistics (finished) so it’s not a first hand experience.

[@alidawahfan1176]

Turki 😂

[@trevorfranks69]

I spent my 3 years in compsci repeating classes on semester break, and got randomly placed in internships outside my expertive I really hate. When everyone wants to work in banks or popular startups, I used to have this goal to learn Unity 2D and pixel art, work in an indie game studio and maybe publish my own games on Steam, but at this point I'll be lucky to have the will to graduate before unaliving myself

[@melbbb5673]

I am in Canada as well - I hear you about the degree is the thing to get. Well done making your own decisions about all these things!

[@arielmaritano6470]

Love this kind of content! Hope to see more of it!

[@tonyridestrails]

This was great insight Tim. I'm currently in a similar situation myself and this gave me some food for thought. Haha I actually went to school with you. Don't know if you remember me but I lived in Thompson. 🍃

[@TechWithTim]

Of course I do man! Definitely a decision worth putting some serious thought into.

[@arkgatere2543]

@@TechWithTim Hello @Tim, You inspire me alot, but I had a question kindly, Is it assured that in an year period, a person like me who has deep passion for tech and is willing to give his best in learning can defer for an year and get a job in that period once am committed to learn?

[@tureebluh]

Wow. Congratulations on the success of the channel. I think you were only around 100k last time I checked this out. Inspiring and well deserved. Cheers!

[@quynhtrinh4209]

follow you from the very first day!!!! and witness the growth up of your channel et the contents and your delivery still that interesting and useful like those first days. Keep going and cheers your efforts

[@diamondfb]

Very proud of you Tim. You're so young and you've realized so many of big dreams. All the best.

[@bls512]

You made a wise decision that keeps leading all of us in the right direction! 💫

[@andres777video]

your work is great, no matter what... Many people get their degrees to make their parents happy (noble cause also), plus with all you know now, it would be actually fun to complete those courses, even online, for a lot less $$, plus it can be tax deductible if used for your company (at least in the US) I have a Computer Engineering degree, and I can tell you that most people learn more at work than in college. But that extra experience is also valuable, it expands your brain, and you meet people that can be great partners for life.... BTW I'm 61 and still learning languages for Data Science and ML, Python is my fav now...thanks for your videos! Best of luck, and Congrats for the 1MM!

[@magonazz1]

watching this video in 2024. and you've got 1.54M subscribers. I really enjoy watching your videos, I'm learning a ton of material from you. Keep it up bro...Also, would really love to have that outro soundtrack you got going, is it on spotify or any music streaming service? trust me, you'd be surprised at how many monthly listeners you'd get. but then again, I might as well just be the only one who really likes it hahaha.

[@aquarianage3953]

Love your channel and your presentation style! Keep up the great work.👍

[@johnnytoobad7785]

In another lifetime ago..I was in a Comp Sci class at UW-Madison. One of the students I befriended decided to "drop out" when the Prof of the computer Architecture class gave him a "C" on his project for designing a computer using available "off the shelf" TTL logic chips. A year later I found out he was one of first employees at IMSAI and then went to Apple. I think he was one of first 100 engineer-employees there. Shows you how just "out of touch" the academic comp-sci world was back in 1975.

[@LoloisKali]

Thanks bro, you are very inspiring. Been here since 10k wen u taught kivy! . Thank you again tim!

[@CallousCoder]

Fascinating story Tim! The way you teach and behave on here wouldn’t have suggested to me you dropped out. You are one of the few good “tech” channels with actual coding and teaching. I studied EE and I had a LOT of software classes too. Microcontrollers do need (lowlevel) code. But frankly I hardly learned anything new in those 3 years that I didn’t already know from my years of software cracking and creating phone phreaking gadgets. It kept me out of the army draft 😂 long enough for it to get abolished 😂And tradeschool EE is considered a “lower level” education just like college and university in Canada. And weirdly enough, I think I’m more skilled that most university graduates. At least have a far more pragmatic approach to solving problems and getting stuff done.

[@trenix3318]

You're literally the best programming teacher out there. If you dropped out, then this just confirms education and degrees are useless.

[@Paragon231]

When you make $40.000+ per month, it's completely understandable to drop out.

[@ShinichiroSatoshi]

I think it’s awesome you moved back in with your folks to save up for a home. Amazing mate - love the channel

[@kenet7877]

I'm in an Engineering course and once considered shifting to Computer Science/Engineer course. I decided for now to just stay here and learn programming as a hobby and as a backup to my Engineering knowledge.

[@nevis2769]

Doing ee and same here

[@waterboiledpizza]

I want to ask you/ others in similar field what your courses are like. My classes teach mostly about concepts, theories, techniques, but not a whole lot of actual programming stuffs, and i dont even have time to learn some programming myself because of assignments and other non-engineering related filler classes. Surprised me that you already have an internship in your 2nd year. Looking at the job requirements often makes me depressed because i dont meet most of the programming prerequisite despite studying in some kind of information engineering programme.

[@mertbozkir]

I'm thinking to drop out this summer, it's a great video. Very good explanations when and why you should drop out. 🔥

[@k.r.jester5406]

What are your reasons for thinking about dropping out?

[@mertbozkir]

I'm learning on my own, my university has not good education, I'm following other university lectures from KZbin. In this era, everybody is going college for degree. I'm building my portfolio right now. When I finished I will not need degree for getting job. :)

[@josephthecreator]

I hear you man, I have to come on KZbin all the time to complete my programming assignments. MIT college lectures are pretty helpful.

[@johnwig285]

@@mertbozkir just rmbr the caveat: drop out only after you have secured full-time employment or internship like Tim did. Also research ur local market, if your country or state aint like the US where degrees are unnecessary, then ull have to consider wisely.

[@mahamatadoummahamathamid530]

You are doing great, I graduated from College couple days ago here in Canada, to be honest you don't need to go to school at all if you want to be programmer or software engineer. Everything is out there in You Tube.

[@imranq9241]

One key point is that this was all in Canada. In the US it's almost unthinkable to drop out of college because: 1) College/University costs $20k / yr minimum unless you have a scholarship (so loans require an immediate high paying job to start paying them off once you've done 1-2 years) 2) Most companies require a degree to get an interview (officially FAANG says they don't require degrees, but you can browse LinkedIn and you'll find most SWEs have a degree) 3) The space for a successful CS channel happens to be hard to find (given the max 10K good CS channels on YT and 100K CS graduates / yr) Lower university costs in Canada with more seamless re-entry seems to have made drop out process easier!

[@dbuc4671]

the math in CS isn't too bad. its pretty much the same as high school math where you just simplify equations by writing lines upon lines. but the _programming_ and _syntax_ is something I have absolutely no experience or background in whatsoever. and it didn't help when the lecturer just casually introduced terms like "concatenate" and "call a function" and "container" and "re-iterate" and "tuple" without directly explaining what they even meant. I mean I guess they force u to "infer and use context" to know what it means and is therefore a "quicker" learning method, but to me it was just f*cking annoying and frustrating having to confirm to other students and the prof himself if my assumption of what the term meant was correct.

[@estelisarva3854]

I love you, thank you for sharing your python tricks, that will helped me a lot in my python interviews!!!

[@duongvan3401]

Why all tech KZbinrs all have a video about they drop out of cs or quit programming?

[@vrajshah8075]

Because they make more money from KZbin then they will working for a company. Also he likes being a KZbinr.

[@codingcrashkurse6429]

Well, why would you work in a job with a boss when you make x-times just by working for yourself? He lives the dream of many people :)

[@HevaNaisdey]

It works out because you have another passion for making videos. It's a blessing to discover your calling. Most people run through the course of their lives without ever find out their true passion. You did great.

[@TechWithTim]

I appreciate that

[@zedzempai123]

I've known this channel since you made the original pygame tutorial series... been a long time with a lot of improvement. Love the content and glad to know you're fully commited to it.

[@TechWithTim]

Thank you so much :) Crazy you've been here that long!

[@55418und]

You are young, You needed a break, no problem. I'm 75, I wish I could have afforded college. Learn what you enjoy doing. Then you will be happy. Best of luck.

[@rahar6009]

Cant wait to see you hit 1m subscribers. You are awesome.

[@castormann]

Generally speaking I would say that dropping out of uni can be a good idea if there is a legit reason for doing so. In your case, Tim, there was certainly a legit reason to do so. I started a CS education in 2020, and since then I have started my own company in the software development field. I found myself working from the morning to the evening every day on my startup and quickly realized that there was not enough time for me to continue my education if I wanted to make my company work. The thing is, as long as you are doing something productive that you are enjoying, dropping out of school is fine in my opinion. The time you spent in school is not wasted time, it’s time spent learning things and making connections. For me this is just the beginning of my journey, and it is entirely possible that I will go back to university and complete my education, but I am certain I will not feel like I have wasted any time no matter what happens, as long as I always feel like what I’m doing is productive.

[@Ivan-dt9mc]

Please make more videos like this Tim !! very informative:)))

[@ThePhantomCoder]

Tim, I'm curious: when you said you were taking a break (4 months IIRC) had you already made your decision or were you still considering?

[@computerguy1579]

I went the traditional route for the most part and got a computer science degree. However, during the time that I was going to school, I found jobs in my field. I started working as a QA (someone who manually tests code after a new feature or bug has been fixed), then worked my way into a QA Automation (where you write automated tests -- so you actually get to write code) but still offer a lot of manual support as needed for regular QAs, some really simple software freelance work up until I got my first full-time position as an associate software engineer. While going to school is a great way to learn and get better qualified for a job, a lot of my path has included a lot of getting actual work experience in my field while going to school. The point being that on-the-job training is really essential (in my opinion) to really learn the field and to build up a resume to get hired easier. A college degree is not the only way to get into a software engineering job. It's possible to work your way into that field by starting out as a QA, and working your way up to it. It may require you to change jobs multiple times (the company you may not have all the opportunities to move up -- and I changed jobs multiple times while I was working into positions that eventually led me to be a software engineer). If you don't do college, learning is still essential. And while coding bootcamps can help give someone a jump start into learning something, most of the time, you'll probably not get a job right out of a coding bootcamp. Even after college, you still need to be always learning. Computer science is very technical, and some people want to get into it because it's glamorized and realize they hate it because they hate working at a very technical level. The best software engineers I've worked with are those who are typically working on side projects at home and who are always learning. They're the ones that move up. I've also interviewed software engineer candidates who are fresh graduates with a degree but who have not spent a lot of time outside of the time learning in school or on the job who have not done well at all. I've also interviewed candidates with no degree or who did a coding bootcamp who knew their stuff, had great initiative and who were greater employees later on. The point is, don't just get a college degree because it's "guaranteed." It's a great way to learn and show potential employers that you've learned the skills needed to start doing the job. However, I'm against going to extremely high end colleges both because they're way too expensive with not enough payout (it's a horrible money choice) and because they have the mentality that you should spend all your time working on massive class projects when your time would really be much better spent going to a simple college close to home for much cheaper and getting work experience on the side. Dream colleges (or Ivy League, or whatever other prestigious college is being pushed) are just a way to take massive amounts of money on vague promises of elite wealth. Long story short, you don't need college to be a software engineer, but you absolutely need to really love writing, debugging, and reading through code, and need to spend plenty of time on your own learning (even if you've been in the field 20 years), and being able to prove to potential employers you have these skills (either through building a website, youtube channel, github, etc) or by working your way up from QA into software engineering.

[@MrKasenom]

I dropped out of studying International Relations and now I'm studying Computer Science, I don't regret it this at all

[@dogecl]

Tim, you have what you deserve... and that is the gratitude of thousands of people (like me) that you helped by doing your tutorials, opinion videos, and everything you do in general. Because of your hard work, you are an example for others. I'm going to college in Canada, but I will finish because my work permit depends on me completing my studies :) but it has been a good experience so far. I could not commit to a 4 or 5-year program, so I decided to go to college that is 2.5 years instead. I already know much of what they teach, so staying there for too long would not be so useful. I prefer to work on new things and not get rusty.

[@fascineering844]

I really enjoy this guy videos; he was my youtube channel while I was deployed in the desert Thank you for making my 6 months a little less stressful.

[@gr82moro]

without uni, you still can easily get all necessary skills of programming by self study, like many smart kids do. But if you want to achieve higher level, you do need to have a formal study in maths, statistics, algorithms ... etc , which are the spirit of programming especially in AI world.

[@thefastcomputer]

My problem is that I want to start a business so not go to university, but my parents want me to go to university. However, getting into debt because of university isn't a problem for me because university is free where I might be going.

[@ScottPriestley]

Getting a job without a degree is achievable. Being an entrepreneur without a degree is achievable. Growth in a large corporation may be more challenging. I entered IT without a degree. To achieve more than an entry level or individual contributor position the roles I wanted required a Master's degree. I had to go back and complete my undergrad and graduate degree in my late 30's. Wish I'd done it sooner. Best decision I ever made was to go back and get the paper.

[@RACAPE]

In high school our class was more focused on our mother tongue, english, history, geography, but not math or stuff like that. After high school, my parents "inspired" me to choose Pharmacy college. After 2 years there, I dopped out because it was awful and I decided to take a front end course. And now I'm a Front end Developer (React. Angular is next) since 2020.

[@ravenecho2410]

you did a good job on making a youtube channel, i would be upset i had written only an export to pdf/html feature -- especially if i were talented. this reads more of a justification of your actions rather than account for what an average individual would have. either or, good on you for communication -- if you're an engineer, get hyped to build things, imo, do the degree, do the math, and innovate

[@sortof3337]

Yo yo. I kinda grew up with Timschannel, I am 23 now so graudated year and half ago and kinda joined when Tim did. I also have a really good paying job and got it after a internship. Very interesting and inspiring to see Tims perspective. US and Canada really have awesome opportunities when it comes to cs it seems. It is difficult from what I've seen in Europe to get a job without a degree. So, you shouldn't drop out if you don't already have a job and dont' already have a good career path defined. You should also know that if you aren't really good terms already it will get difficult to get into managerial positions without a degree. However, if you can't afford college it seems it might not be especially a good choice in US and Canada. It is kind of inspiring to see someone who is about my age doing what I thought was almost impossible to do from what I had seen. :) From what I've seen tim already has enough knowledge and has a knack for teaching and learning evermore. :)

[@richardmasters2045]

You're one f the smartest people I know and I feel so fortunate to have come across this channel

[@bivegeteshemarodriguekevin5229]

More of this kind of videos.

[@PeterTheRock-II]

Congratulations bro, I'm just starting the journey and God bless you.

[@uroy8665]

There is nothing wrong in dropping. But you can go back again. You can do it and plan to do it fast, you will not regret back ! I encourage you to complete the course. I dropped few subjects as some are difficult and some are useless.

[@Manastick]

In Canada, a University is a collection of Colleges

[@redview9481]

I dropped out of my university Computer Science degree in Kenya and moved to the US. Not alone

[@morgengabe1]

congrats on the progress you've made, best of luck going forward, and thanks for the help over the years! i hope you've insured your hands lol

[@viktorandersson5067]

Thanks for sharing your experience. Think a lot of people could ger inspired from your journey

[@blackchristiangeek]

I thank God that I completed my Computer Science degree a LONG time ago because if I were starting out today, I'm pretty sure I would not do it again. That said, I value education and back in the late 80's and early 90's when I Was in school it was just a completely different world then. With that, I say good for you and God bless.