I explain why this knife is scrap + little update

I've had a lot of questions / comments about this knife project that went wrong, so I'll try to clarify why it's not a knife I can finish or put out there.
Also I have a little pre-announcement for folks in the west Texas area.
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[@johnharris3390]

Your dedication to the quality of your products and the standard to which you protect the Fire Creek Forge name continue to impress. It also shows the true nature of your character. Thanks for sharing.

[@FireCreekForge]

Thanks I appreciate it

[@BadDawg444]

You’ll get it next time! You should see my scrap bucket.

[@hmingthanacolney2974]

We, knifemakers must be among the most honest people in the world. We don't wanna settle for sub-par, a single knife isn't t worth of the reputation that comes with our name.

[@Tenoct91]

The dedication to quality and the long term reputation of your name its remarkable. I am singularly impressed.

[@emmanueleferrarotto2986]

The reason for lower melting points is found in thermodynamics: The lattice enthalpy of mixtures is always lower then of the pure components. Or in a more picture-esque way, the lattice structure of the pure iron is disturbed by the carbon and carbide species which makes it easier to be broken up by engery transfer (heat in this case) and therefore it melts at a lower temperatures.

[@FireCreekForge]

Interesting, thanks for clarifying it!

[@C_Melvyn_James]

The knife may be compromised and therefore not worthy of being considered to "be a true knife" but the man does not compromise his art and is therefore worthy of being considered a true artist. Props to you for only putting your best work out into the world.

[@T_B]

I completely understand. Maintaining control of a knife that you don't want to risk it being in circulation with your good name attached to, is tough to do if it's not in your possession. My offer still stands, with the assurance of "control". 👍🏻

[@Redstagwsmnp]

Can't wait to see your finished knife from that template. Thanks again

[@FireCreekForge]

Thank you!

[@brysonalden5414]

I suspect this video series will end up being extremely beneficial to your business, as it establishes your integrity. Can't put a price on that.

[@Vikingwerk]

Well, I say that you cut a couple of letter openers out of it at least, something that is clearly not a ‘knife’ just as a memento of the learning experience, and to keep a piece of it because it still looks really cool!

[@patrickclark6261]

Keep up the good, quality work! Wishing your ventures the best!

[@lorneclose7312]

Absolutely the right thing to do. Reputation in this industry is everything. We work so hard to establish our reputation for quality seling something that you know is comprimised isnt worth it.

[@davidcanoy8579]

I look forward to seeing that pattern take shape in a useable piece.❤

[@kendazley7230]

Great explanation and I commend you for that! Also congrats on the upcoming venue for your craft, you will do well there for sure. To bad I'm in Ohio.

[@jameschristy9966]

Keep it and use it your self

[@marie-claudehenrichon3743]

Very interesting video

[@BluminatiNinja]

Sweet I'm from the Lubbock region myself! Cant wait to check your blades out!

[@FireCreekForge]

Right on!

[@lowbudgetbob1155]

It's a cool looking blade no doubt and I'm sure a lot of people would want one like it. Are you going to be making any paring knives in the future?

[@andresjackson9367]

No practice is wasted

[@erikcourtney1834]

Excited to hear your thoughts with the 304 vs 416 and if you feel the same way about them as I do.

[@FireCreekForge]

Yeah, I'm interested to see the difference on the finished process and product.

[@louislarose6613]

This was a lot of valuable information ! Thank You Sir !

[@richardbranton190]

I used to finish blades I screwed up and just keep them for myself. One day I realized I had more knives than the Smokey mountain knife shop so they just go in the scrap pile 😁 beautiful blade to bad it's bad

[@FireCreekForge]

Haha yeah that could be a problem

[@darraghchapman]

Trace it onto cheapo plate if you want a template, anneal, chop it to bits and use it in a cannister project :) It's a pain to dump a load of time and resources into something that isn't the end goal you set, but really none of that time or material was wasted, it's just time => experience, and materials => a new material. Easy for me to say from afar, but I hope you get what I mean.

[@FireCreekForge]

Yep, there's a price to experience

[@thetinkerist]

Great explanation, thanks

[@_BLANK_BLANK]

Was about to mention that carbon loss shouldnt have been an issue, then you mentioned the canister failing I think the microstructure would be the biggest issue. But potentially fixable. I mean, even with carbon loss. Tbh, i think its probably not an actual issue.

[@terryhagen2711]

You will have to try again. You can do it don’t give up

[@casketrace6087]

“All hard work brings a profit, but mere talk leads only to poverty” Prov. 14:23. I’m sure its a huge downer that blade didn’t work out, but the knowledge gained from it is and will be a huge asset. Good on you for being an honest and decent businessman. Keep up the awesome work, and may God bless it.

[@FireCreekForge]

Thank you sir

[@JohnSmith-gs4lw]

Sounds like a Sasquatch is trying to get into your shop.

[@jameschristy9966]

Jay nealson it if it passed its good

[@minnesotatomcat]

So how does it not ruin the steel when making a wootz or crucible billet where it gets so hot that it actually melts all the metal together? And is that knife steel now permanently screwed or could it be broken up and used in a crucible application now?

[@FireCreekForge]

The steel is melted in an oxygen free environment, in small crucibles putting glass in protects the steel by melting and floating on top. This steel could certainly be melted down and re-made, that would correct everything. You would then have to control other factors to get a good outcome however...

[@BCM1959]

@@FireCreekForge wouldn't you want to add some carbon back into it? I am not a blacksmith or metallurgist so I know next to nothing and what little I do know I learned from watching videos. I learned something new in this video.

[@charlesdevous1001]

Hey just out of curiousity, do you do custom orders? If so, what are your lead times looking like?

[@erikcourtney1834]

I experienced a similar issue using propylene instead of propane. It burns hotter and I got a bottle for free so why not try it. Well it worked great and couldn’t tell a difference in my ribbon burner….. until a melted my thermocoupler and the stainless steel hammer with 4140 faces I was making. I set it to weld like I would with propane, next thing I knew the temps stopped reading and the hammer turned into a mess. I jumped into it to fast and should have did some testing first. 🤦‍♂️

[@FireCreekForge]

Yikes, yeah I've said it a number of times, when you change one little thing it can change the whole process, but I forgot to follow my own advice, haha

[@timhorton555]

So they weren't failures. They were learning opportunities.

[@DebakulumToughguts]

👍 für den Algorithmus

[@williammorrin7933]

Sence you know how to do stainless steel work, could you possibly do the opposite of the san Mai so for example 1080 cladding with a stainless core?

[@FireCreekForge]

I don't know, the stainless steel in that case would be quite different than the stainless for cladding, but also I don't understand the why on that idea..?

[@williammorrin7933]

@@FireCreekForge it's a though I want to do eventually for a project for a friend that likes a certain space themed industry that I think a type of knife with stainless steel core with "different" cladding. Thanks for letting me know tho

[@charlesdevous1001]

If this doesnt speak to character and integrity, i dont know what does. Show me another smith,or any tradesman, that will show this kind of humility. Ill wait right here.....keep crushing that steel and doing His will brother! On another note, id still buy that blade for a cool wall hanger or something, and dang sure wouldnt give it away lmao! That pattern is nuts. Cant wait to see the final attempt though man, that is a killer "template"!

[@jacobkoen8994]

I am super humble, way more humble than anyone I know!

[@FireCreekForge]

Haha

[@BUZZKILL59able]

@@jacobkoen8994😂

[@charlesdevous1001]

Lol nice!

[@BCM1959]

@@jacobkoen8994 hi! Now you're the second most humble person you know. 😁🤣

[@AC-zy9tz]

Have you considered finishing the knife and auctioning it off as an art project and donate the profits to a charity?

[@spudhead169]

I doubt anyone works for someone who deducts errors from pay checks, firstly it's totally illegal as damages can only be determined by a court or arbitration, it's not up to a single essentially unauthorized party to decide liability in their own favor like that, it's assuming the role of a court and VERY illegal. Secondly, who would work for someone like that anyway?

[@FireCreekForge]

Ok well that's good

[@terenceblakely4328]

Frustrating, you didn't explain how that blade would likely fail with that flaw.

[@FireCreekForge]

It would likely perform just fine, but that's not the issue ultimately

[@terenceblakely4328]

So it was a cosmetic issue. A fear that you would be called out by other builders?

[@BCM1959]

@@FireCreekForge good on ya! I'll add my 2 cents worth. You showed the world that you set a high standard for yourself and quality, integrity, and reputation are more important than money. 10 for 10 would trust anything you bring to market.

[@thesay5663]

Your OCD and foolish quest for impossible perfection is the same as the reflection Karen Carpenter saw in the mirror… there’s a certain point where the artist can no longer see the value or the beauty in their work and in themselves…. Finish the blade… Keep it close to you, wear it, use it, and let it remind you the perfection isn’t always perfect

[@Clydes.Shop78]

Garbage Schmarbage. It doesn’t meet your standards and you don’t want your brand attached to. I get that/I respect that. However, I’d bet that it will last just as long as any of the other knives you make. I mean who is paying a few hundred dollars for these things and then hacking up 2x4s etc. if they are they need to quit.