I FAILED! Fear Factory. Why you can't recreate their tone.

I try and fail to recreate Dino's UNOBTANEUM tone.
Tone is in the hands of the player (and the engineer, the mixer, the producer, the mastering engineer, the amp tech mod, the vynyl cutting lathe operator, the console engineers, the partidge in a pear tree).
Kemper that, bitch!
Dino:
JCM800 modded. Reports differ on the guitar. It was either a 6 string ESP with EMG 81 tuned down (more probable) or an ibanez 7 string guitar (UV7 with passive pickups?)
The metalhead mod consists of a push/pull added gain boost, push/pull added bass boost, added effects loop which was later, 100/50 watt switch, noise gate, and 6550 power tubes. 2 12AX7 preamp tubes are added to the preamp for the gain boost. Noise gate/suppressor.
Super chorus.
Cab: Mesa 4x12 with v30’s.
Colin Richardson produced but was pushed aside and didn’t mix it. Reece and Greg mixed. They quad tracking the guitars and also applying heavy EQ.
We used a 6 string BC Rich virgin with EMG81
Langner style modded JMP Marshall with 2 extra gain stages, bass boost, 2 preamp tunes added and EL34 tubes. Speaker was a Mesa Celestion V30 and sm57.
Boost was Fortin 33 pedal.
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[@ryanmounce2850]

I love the Demanufacture story Dino tells. He said he built that tone around Dimebags tone on Vulgar. Years later he told dime that and dime said, "no way! I based reinventing the steel's tone off of yours!". Lmao

[@Loki-sk7bi]

Reinventing the steel guitar tone was tight af!

[@danadane2501]

By far my favorite Heavy Metal guitarist. I guess makes perfect sense they would inspire one another.

[@offthescale6660]

Dino's tone was still recognisable on those early Brujeria records - it's a very distinct sound

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Yep. The same thing happens when I hear my friend playing. It’s instantly percussive/bouncy. It’s hard to be machine like and have groove.

[@gavin6666]

Dino used an ESP 6 string with an EMG 81 on the first 2 Fear Factory and Brujeria albums.

[@EM-km8em]

@@gavin6666 what amp and distortion pedals did he used on the brujeria albums? Effects etc

[@deadheadliving]

FF way ahead of their time...to me it was their sound that eventually gave birth to the so called djent in modern prog..what suck is ppl don't give them the credit and respect they deserve.

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Agreed.

[@simoneburini4036]

@Claudia Solomon Periphery is as good as Fear Factory and Meshuggah, at least

[@rsa4834]

@The Violeta Metal Revue Their songs have become much more streamlined lately. Less jumpy stuff which indeed can sound jarring when you're into older metal. Their singer has evolved too. Maybe you've listened to their latest stuff and you still don't like their music and that's fine, but I'd suggest checking them out again.

[@skaldlouiscyphre2453]

I always thought of Fear Factory as a lesser version of Ministry and Godflesh, my favourite album is Soul of the New Machine, but their later stuff really did contribute HUGELY to the development of modern metal.

[@bigk9544]

@@skaldlouiscyphre2453 dino and burton actually bonded over their mutual love of GodFlesh

[@cameronsexton7759]

Obsolete was even MORE scooped then Demanufacture from what I can hear when I compared the two of them. Obsolete is by far the album that has defined my guitar playing and sent me back to the drawing board! Sick video dude! I need to listen to some fear factory again!

[@aliquidcow]

Here's how I think the obsession with 'sensible mids' came about: - Bedroom players and starter guitarists in the late 90s/early 00s dialling in a tone at home discover that using scooped mids sounds just like the metal records they love. - Same players start bands but find that they can't hear themselves in rehearsal or live. They then learn that it's because the tone they dialled in at home doesn't translate to live, and they need to dial in mids to cut through in that environment (they learn this either from more experienced players or from forums). - This leads to a massive backlash against scooping amongst the next generation of guitarists, and a blanket assumption that scooping is always bad in any situation and that mids are the be all and end all. Because if there are two things that the internet cannot accommodate, it's context and nuance. That's how I see it anyway, maybe others have different ideas.

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

I think it’s because of the volume wars. Taking the meat out of the guitars in order to make the perceived volume louder when you slam the ear with ALL THE FREQS.

[@aliquidcow]

CIRCLE OF TONE. I think that's definitely a factor, yeh. In my experience that came a little later on, but could easily be a combination of these factors.

[@marviosantos]

Spot on man! Made a similar comment to another thread

[@Miscio94]

Scooping the mids doesn't sound "more like" records at all, it's just the MORE GAIN MORE SOUND thing. Lows and Highs are the extremes of the EQ, so it's easier for the untrained ear to think something sounds better if it makes a more direct impact on perception. but once you get used to it, you need more. It generally goes like this: "Need to make my sound better" "Lows make it bigger, highs more clear" "Need to make my sound better" "More lows, more highs, yeah" They progressively make their tone worse, it's obvious for them that guitars on record sound very different, at this point they just want it to sound good as a thing on itself. Problems show up when they start playing in a band. Nobody can hear the guitar with that EQ, so they have to crank up the volume, to the point it gets annoying to everybody else. Professional musicians who "scoop the mix" do it knowing that it's gonna be "fixed" on recording. The producer probably applies filters or increases the mids on other way, but the musician is counting on this.

[@VortechBand]

Scooping the mids is a relative concept. If you put the mids all the way down to zero on a Marshall, you will still have a ton of midrange in your sound. Whereas on some other amp, putting them to eg. 8 / 10 could still be quite scooped-sounding compared to some other amps.

[@Luciffrit]

The magic of Rhys Fulber... Everything he touches is fucking awesome.

[@hairychris444]

If you've ever listened to Frontline Assembly you'll know where that mix comes from. You're getting industrial guys to mix metal. I heard FF the first time on the remix EP "Fear is the Mindkiller" mainly because I was already into FLA, and they did that work! So... not surprising that FF got the same guys in for Demanufacture. The early-mid 90s was a really interesting time. A lot of metal bands were getting truly weird remixes done by industrial & dance producers. Oh, and FWIW I saw Fear Factory in London (Underworld) in 1995, the Wacken warm-up show pre Demanufacture release. Still one of the best gigs I've ever been to. It was insane!

[@sizigi13]

A band that started cyber metal and clean and dirty vocals with one singer, amazing, yet they get no respect anymore....

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Yep they were influential for sure.

[@DamnDealDone]

Fear Factory even invented Meshuggah.

[@louiscrowley1755]

I wouldn’t say that. Genexus was held in high regard. In my humble opinion I felt it was far superior to Demanufacture. However, Demanufacture was a pinnacle head turning jaw dropper when you think of what was going on in 92.

[@hairychris444]

No. Meshuggah were doing their own thing beforehand. Demanufacture, Destroy Erase Improve and SYL's City were all released the same year IIRC (1995). It wasn't the first album from any of those guys but still arguably the best. FWIW there was a huge metal/industrial crossover scene at the time which may well have been a common thread.

[@Salomon_G]

FF were an influence on Meshuggah, but they sure as hell didn't 'invent' Meshuggah, c'mon now.

[@RedXIIIChicago]

Your passion for tone shines through! Great work man!

[@GoldenGateNum9]

I think Pissing Razors came closest to obtaining that kind of monstrous Fear Factory guitar tone with their underground classic Cast Down The Plague.

[@worldcomingdown6713]

Huge Type O fan, huge Fear Factory fan and early Life of Agony....this trifecta of metal was my life growing up! Great channel man!

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Life of agony is one of my biggest vocal influences. Thanks man.

[@worldcomingdown6713]

That’s great man! Not many people have heard of Life of Agony. To anyone out there reading this go get the album River Runs Red by Life of Agony and prepare to have your face melted!

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

You can hear my LOA influence when I sing this song kzbin.info/www/bejne/oGG3pWesfduabcU

[@worldcomingdown6713]

Absolutely can hear a little Keith in there. Glad I found your channel man, keep up the great content!

[@Grindermetalhead]

This channel is so much fun. How you don't have at least 10 times as many subscribers is beyond me.

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Goran Tesic Thanks Goran. I think guitarists like my vids, but my olderish demographic are not into the sharing culture. People with zany guitar content tend to have a younger audience who tweet, share, insta until the sun goes down. That’s what I tell myself. Haha.

[@Damienandkaren]

Do dimebag's tone on far beyond driven. The track strength beyond strength to be exact. That would be badass.

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Has to be done.

[@liljuanito123]

Yes the tone on SBD is amazing.

[@Synthedelic]

The tone on The Great Southern Trendkill was amazing too. If i was gonna pick a song to get the tone on FBD it'd be 5 Minutes Alone.

[@NatureandSpirit111]

Any dimebag tone on any album even the Damageplan. 👍🏻😁👍🏻

[@ButBigger42]

Problem is, the tone comes half from his hands and ain't no one got his hands.

[@jeffreymonroe153]

How about Sepultura Arise

[@janparadowski4894]

One of the best metal tones, a video about it would be great

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Hell yes. It will be done.

[@janparadowski4894]

CIRCLE OF TONE. That's some great news

[@Flux799]

Dino also uses a very light gauge string

[@TonyHookedonVanlife]

Dino is a MONSTERRRRRR player! He could play better than me with just a plectrum duct-taped to his pinky and a cast on his arm. LOL

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

I've been in a small room with Dino playing through a monster amp. It was...amazing.

[@zanmato86]

Demanufacture is one of my favourite tones. Brutal and tight, awesome sound.

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Yep. It’s a classic.

[@the80sliveagain63]

I still can't believe I learned play this song. On the surface it might seem easy. This will work out your speed picking by mach 5 speed it's crazy. I remember for years I tried to recreate the speed. I mean one day I just to started to pick faster. I almost got knocked on my ass because I finally after years I got faster. It took years and years of speed picking alternate picking to get it. I think almost a magical and also steady diet of pantera added to get this speed. Moral of the story fear factory will always be one greatest extreme metal bands ever.

[@Osoch]

YOU ACTUALLY DID A FEAR FACTORY VIDEO AHHH Also i actually asked Dino what cab he was using in that era and he said it was a Mesa 4x12 with V30

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Great info. Thanks.

[@Pan3optic3on]

Yep, I remember reading about Dino using the Mesa cab in a guitar magazine during the 90s. I'm sure kt88's were mentioned also because they handle low frequencies well but yeah I get the 6L6's. Solid state tone for attack and precision. A bit brighter than kt88's. I always thought Marshall might have made a Dino "Replica" lol jcm amp. Sadly not. Great to hear the tone on the Genexus album too. I read Dino got the Jcm custom amp out of storage, sampled it straight into his Kemper and used it alongside two other of his favourite amp setups. So it's kind of the first time that tone has resurfaced since the 90s. Got to say the sound on Genexus is absolutely immense.

[@bohdilama]

Dude, that was damn close, and your picking technique is awesome.

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Richard is a machine. Absolute phenom.

[@Hoscitt]

Cough cough (Heartwork) cough cough 😁

[@Kevin.Kelly.]

That’s a combo of a Peavey 5150, Marshall 6100 Anniversary Head, and a Marshall mini stack for added texture 🤩

[@arglbargl]

don't think he's gonna nail two cabs together front to back

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

You may not like the video coming out tomorrow.

[@Kevin.Kelly.]

CIRCLE OF TONE. Chuck??? Or Bill :)

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Kevin Kelly it’s chuck...but I talk about heartwork and why I’m doing Reek Of Putrefaction era of Carcass instead. Plus I don’t want to nail my cabinets together. Hehe.

[@svenjeschke5025]

Type O Negative and Hypocrisy would be two more bands that had/have a very unique sound.

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Sven Jeschke I’m obsessed with Type O. I’m doing them for Halloween.

[@slavesforging5361]

fuck yeah! would love to see some Type O sound info and background! can't wait. you're the man owen! oh, did you stop selling the wiring harnesses? couldn't find them anymore on the COT page.

[@machine-madedog5059]

I do recall Kenny used an ADA MP-1 and a Gibson SG on their first three recordings. I have no idea of the power amp, I’m picturing a Peavey Classic 50/50 for some reason.

[@Martin-jk2ng]

OMG I love Hypocrisy. Such a great band.

[@ZiddersRooFurry]

Yes!

[@StaaleMathisen]

That record is f***ing epic!!! That was my first fear factory record!!! And I remeber how stoked I was about the sound on that record. I still get adrenalin kick when I turn on that record!

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Staale Mathisen it hit me like a ton of bricks. That realization you are hearing something new and HEAVY. Gold.

[@pandastudios6307]

Dino's my solid guitar hero. I mean I have others but amongst them, I had built my foundation on Dino's massive picking technique and I'm proud that I came close to it, and then some, I dare say. Thanks for this video man! So much informative for Dino's fans such as myself! Cheers!

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

I've witnessed his right hand in a tiny room with a handful of people in it at NAMM. He's such a natural.

[@sebastienturpin7001]

Great video! Same video with Obsolete tone? Dino made some additional mods to tune down to A. In terms of production it's pretty unique, sounds more heavy than Demanufacture. Christian did also an amazing job on guitar sound for Archtype too. Best guitar tones ever and best band in the world. Period.

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Thanks man! I probably won’t revisit but you never know.

[@WarriorOfModernDeath]

This was very insightful and I can't believe what effort Dino put in his works. That's why albums without him lack punch! Thank you for the effort!

[@downcode]

Man this sounds pretty freaking close as far as raw sound goes, nice playthrough! I also like scooped guitar tones, that's just the era of metal music I grew up with... the guitars must have some balls! :) The production & analogue gear plays a huge part in this for sure - but don't also forget the drums - real drums just have FEEL to them man... it's still impossible to re-create this with samples unfortunately...

[@frankrogalski7146]

I just picked up a vintage Marshall Superlead with the “metalhead” mod. It has an insane amount of gain. I never listened to Fear Factory before but I checked out these early albums and it’s definitely a similar sound my amp has.

[@FuzzImp]

Watching this again. Still love it. 🤘🏼 saw them live a few years back with Soilwork. They destroyed the crowd and Dino plays note for note.

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

I've been in a small spund booth with Dino playing an amazing amp. It's fucking insane to see it that close.

[@markkelly1977]

It should be noted that Rhys Fuller and Greg Reely are production wizards who come from the industrial metal band Frontline Assembly. Their ear for a tight, digitally compressed sound is what Fear Factory ultimately wanted and had also done some remixes on the album Fear is the Mindkiller which came out before Demanufacture.

[@snrrlax]

Dino's pedal board has a few tricks on it as well. One that I like is he used to use a TS808 with the overdrive just barely up, tone just barely up and leveled it. The circuit just added something specific to it and that's helped me achieve his tone to a degree. And yes, very scooped.

[@IndependenceGuitar]

Really enjoyed this video. I’ve definitely shared a lot of these sentiments.

[@Alorso_]

Watching this, it now makes way more sense why modern metal sounds so sterile, lifeless, loud etc. Definately a great argument to made here. Also really explains why 90's records tend to hold up better imo. Demanufacture specificly still sounds better than many modern albums out now

[@CarnivorousMower]

What about Primus? I reckon it might be fun trying to figure out the bass and guitar tones there...

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Yep. I’ll be doing those with help from my brother.

[@GazMoz78]

This is great! Loved Demanufacture. Dino just used Marshall JCM2000 DSL's on the tour for that album. I remember a big piece on him in Total Guitar at the time at Donington, when it was still called Donington MOR in 1996 if I remember rightly :-)

[@Kevin.Kelly.]

Pretty good job. The Demanufacture album was recorded with an EMG 81 equipped ESP guitar. So you had the pickup right. Ibanez was later 90’s.

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Kevin Kelly great info. Thanks.

[@Ronny1031]

@JezBollah 667 That was Christian Olde Wolbers for the couple of years Dino wasn't in Fear Factory

[@AUM_-po9sc]

@JezBollah 667 , check Divine Heresy's albums (especially the debut one) - this is what Dino did, while he was out from FF.

[@HazeAnderson]

6:58 "If they can reproduce *that* in the Factory ..." you mean the FEAR ... Factory? 😏

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Yisssss.

[@vicesquadpunk]

Dino uses a Kemper these days... just download his sounds 😂 x

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Lol. Never!

[@mikesbadopinions9671]

You can't play a BC Rich and then run down Ibanez in the same video lol. You're going off the rails on this one my friend. Demanufacture was so fucking tight and the amount of post work on that album was probably crazy as you've identified. Somehow though they managed to put on a pretty convincing version of the thing live. Very impressive

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Old BC Rich is key. Weighs a ton. Has a brass block etc.

[@stazrulez]

the metalhead mod also had a push/pull to add bass to the overall tone. there was a push/pull for gain as well. the metalhead marshalls were really really made places shake to the ground

[@toddburkett7970]

I've scooped my mids my entire music career scoop mids

[@powergroover19]

Hey you, wake up, open your swollen eyes!!! F**king love FF! This was so fun to watch. Keep it up bros!

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Thanks man.

[@mooferoo]

Don't think i've ever clicked on a video so quickly haha :) The Demanufacture tone is my holy grail. I've found i get nearish to it with an EVH 5150 III 50w red channel, a Maxon OD808 in front, and then scooped on the amp, through g12t-75 speakers. Sometimes scooped to hell sounds amazing as you say. Especially on the palm-mutes (which is my favourite thing about Dino's tone). Those ultra punchy, ultra tight palm mutes give me goose bumps to this day. It's probably my favourite album ever. What's amazing is that in a lot of ways i still think it sounds modern and original now.

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Yep! It was groundbreaking. It is funny...it does hold up today despite being scooped.

[@DC33879]

Gotta love that 5150 III red channel! Absolutely brutal!

[@philipandrewlobb1365]

Really enjoyed this. I started listening when digimortal came out. Fear Factory makes me feel like a ridiculous amount of power is surging through my body. Put this stuff in football players helmets and hear the bones break and watch all that blood drench the field. Keep these coming!

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Thanks Phillip. It really was like getting assaulted with a machine gun. Only fun.

[@iamthatiam49]

That was pretty good on the 6 string. That's my favorite song Self Bias Resistor.

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Thanks man. He's a beast.

[@wickedsensationphotography]

Dino's Marshall's also had a mod-built in noise gate in it.

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Yep that was added after demanufacture. It’s in the description. So many mods!

[@COEXISTential]

It took almost until the eight minute mark to know that it was Demanufacture that was the Fear Factory album you were calling one of the greatest metal albums of all time. I agree :D I really did like Soul of a New Machine, though. And the 'Fear is the Mindkiller' remix EP was even better :D

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Yep. Great great album.

[@harveytrevino2257]

Although, Obsolete was such an amazing concept album. Fear Factory are just metal gods.

[@FacemeltingsolosMusic]

Hey! I love my Ibanezes! Granted, they're modded af... Love this off-the-cuff, not-too-edited video stuff. Straight to the point with no need to be a cartoon character in order for (straightens tie) "your content to be palatable to consumers." We may not see eye-to-eye on every sonic choice, but that's the good part. Sound more like yourself than just your influences.

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Thanks man. IMO the early Ibanez UV777 was one of the best guitars ever designed. SO MUCH R&D went into it. I know Dino used one at one point. I WISH I bought one when it was on sale for $800!

[@FacemeltingsolosMusic]

Oof, I vaguely remember those days. (Cries in mosquito.)

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Lol

[@moabthe2829]

I believed Dino used an ESP guitar for the recording of Demanufactured. He got his Ibanez endorsement sometime after the release of Demanufactured.

[@guitarnerdjoey1192]

*looks over at his UV777* yeah, they are nice!

[@kittavares4334]

Well fuck me, I didn't listen to Fear Facto since high school and I totally forgot I used to love them. Your friend's playing is super tight, very impressing.

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

He is a MACHINE. Amazing player.

[@kendralloyd2204]

Dino even says he got that original tone from an amp that some dude customd for him and it was stolen

[@jareddrogose1470]

You have gained a new subscriber, sir. Enjoy the weekend.

[@petermuller161]

Part 2 is pretty damn close! It's awesome to hear a knowledgable fan rant about the incredible mix of this record.

[@theophany1770]

Chuck Something is from Altamonte Springs Florida about 20 minutes from me in Orlando. Too bad I never saw that amazing band live but fortunate to take a few lessons from Bobby Koeble who shredded all over 'Symbolic'. Great guy. Thanks for another killer vid!

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Yep. I tried and failed in the past but now I think I’ve cracked it.

[@thechannelforeverything2170]

I've never heard of Fear Factory before this video but DAMN that tone was brutal

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Yes! Corrupting you with the old school.

[@lowlifeangler]

Dude, do you lived under a rock since 1992

[@russelowens5507]

Dude Fear Factory demanufacture is so epic. I've been listening to FF since soul of a new machine in 92

[@andykapsar4667]

jesus. last time i was this late fewr factory had only broken up twice

[@turaly0n]

Where did this movement to not scoop mids come from? Also, I think included in the "sensible mids/SM57/V30" nonsense is an anti-EMG sentiment that's entirely ludicrous. Stoked for the Mike Fortin video. He's the best right now.

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

It came from the loudness wars. Making guitars sound like mosquitos frees up the low end to make the mix louder.

[@entertaintech4374]

I thought I was the only person who loved that album. H-K, best track ever.

[@user-db9kb9cn3h]

So dank! Great video!

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

But does it djank?

[@davelanciani-dimaensionx]

Demanufacture really is "lightning in a bottle". It did capture something special about that band that has never been captured again. I love most of Fear Factory's albums, but THIS was special. However, I could have sworn Dino only used MESA Dual Rectifiers? Never knew he had the classic (but modded) JCM800.

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

+Dave Lanciani Nah the recto was just about to be released when the album was being recorded. It’s interesting because (I think) the modern metal amp staples like rectos and 5150’s were not out or at least widespread back then.

[@fear4me]

fear factory demanufacture two thumbs and two toes up

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Hell yeah!

[@ralpherl5657]

The cab was definitely a Mesa cab, he said he borrowed it from the Bad Brains guitarist

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Ralphie Leonard yep! Thanks.

[@DaveThomson]

I still fucking love it. Tight playing!

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Yep he's a beast.

[@leftyguitaristSE]

Crazy cool tone man! Sounds badass!

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Thanks man. He’s a machine.

[@Peter-by3ox]

this dude does not need corpse paint the reverse smile gets deeper with ascending brutality :) fucking great

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Yeah he's pretty intense when he plays. He changes in front of me.

[@ChristianSachaNovak]

We used to scoop the mids in the studio and boost them live

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Yep. What would JC do? Scoop.

[@swissarmyknight4306]

"You can scoop." THANK YOU. I fucking love you CoT. I spent so long having people say I was crazy and I'm like "look at all these classic recordings". "Sensible mids and gain" actually is a good sound but it isn't the only good sound and if everyone does exactly the same thing they all sound exactly the same and it gets boring.

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

It’s good but...polite. Haha. Thanks for watching!

[@crimsun7186]

These people play 1 single note or chug most of the time. You don't need midrange definition to do that.

[@marviosantos]

IN A recording, sure, especially if it's a one guitarist band, but please don't do it live, it's just white noise

[@lmlCOBHClml]

You can definitely scoop the only problem is the mix as a whole. Say you're in a live setting and you have 2 guitar players and one of them has the mids scooped. You will not hear them at all. It's ok for studio when you can just layer guitar tracks but you will always need mids in a live setting

[@swissarmyknight4306]

This whole channel is about recorded sounds so... There are a ton of things you can do in the studio that make no sense live. I mean, the drums on "Enter Sandman" sound unbelievably killer but they don't build a giant tracking room with all sorts of partitions around the drum kit to do a Metallica show.

[@cmd_f5]

There's a reason I stay subbed to this channel. Great content, no bs and real world ranting about music and its starilization. Fear Factory Rules btw. Your tone match gets the general idea, in that it kicked me in the guts. Love it

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

+Heavy metal chainsaw - delighted you like it. Cheers!

[@paulnyman6739]

Thanks Owen for attempting it!

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Cheers Paul!

[@imhendriyantonasution2511]

Fear Factory one of the big 4 of Industrial Metal along with Ministry, Godflesh and Rammstein.

[@Emcfree2084]

You got really close mate, very impressive

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Thanks man.

[@deathpunk187]

to be honest... I wish a lot more Industrial Metal bands took something out of the book of Fear Factory, at least when it comes the extreme flavor of it because a lot of the bands like to pile in synthesizers, and SFX, and really over process, edit, and put to many effects on their guitars and more or less bury or make the heavy, and also metal aspects of it completely disappear and makes you question why a band was formed instead of someone just becoming an Industrial DJ instead... but I feel FF really are one of the many Industrial bands coming out of the 90's who did it right, and in their own way, and yes I know they used synths but they didn't bury the guitar they actually held them aloft and made them more pronounced and more machine like with the drums just tearing through in the back like a machine gun. In all honesty... Fear Factory has a sound, and an aesthetic that is uniquely dark and gritty to them, that newer Industrial groups now can barely even come close to obtaining.

[@JoeGuitar]

dude... when I saw that guitar I thought you were playing an early 80's Robin. I have 2 of them both 1982's. The Robin's have the single humbucker and the reverse banana headstock. They were the original "superstrat"... Everyone gives that credit to Jackson/Charvel/Kramer.. but the Robins were right there too. Great video !! Saw Fear Factory on their Soul of a new machine tour 92. Bought their CD right there at the show.... AMAZING live band !

[@stacyalmira3502]

Fear Factory and Tool that blow my mind that time,, not shitty boy band :-)

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Agreed.

[@metalman6369]

I fucking love fear factory

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Hell yeah.

[@SeverinoSE]

One of the misunderstandings that arose over time regarding mids is that an overdrive pedal like the Tube Screamer boosts the mids and then to re-balance the eq to bring it back down flat you have to scoop the mids on the amp. That’s all. People just boost with overdrive pedals and because of the “more mids” hype not only don’t they bring down the mids to bring the eq down to flat again but they BOOST the mids even more. The result is a boxy muddy mess.

[@argetect2847]

I believe he also used what's his nuts from Bad Brains' custom cab, and that was the final touch. Allegedly Dino walked down the hill from the studio after a disagreement with Colin, and ended up buying fruit from the gentleman whose name I've forgotten. They bullshitted and buddy told Dino he'd lend him some gear. The legend says that the custom cab is what tied the whole thing together.

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Haha. Awesome. Do you have quotes of this? Either way I love a bit of lore.

[@argetect2847]

@@CIRCLEOFTONE www.loudersound.com › rise... Rise Of The Machine: The untold story of Fear Factory's Demanufacture | Louder Apologies my shitty phone won't let me copy paste the URL, but google the above and you'll find it no problem. Old article.

[@gavin6666]

The cabinet was a Mesa cabinet borrowed from Dr Know from the Bad Brains.

[@themodernguitarist]

Not sure if it was brought up, but the first 2 FF albums were done with an ESP M1 Custom with a single EMG 81. He didn't switch to Ibanez until mid 1996 when he got an Ibanez UV7BK with a single Dimarzio bridge pickup. I think obsolete was done with either a UV777 or a custom Ibanez LACS with an EMG 707 prototype pickup.

[@BigMikeGuitar]

1-800-Mosquito = freakin’ hilarious!

[@zane4575]

Concrete=soul of a new machine/obsolete are perfect. I'll be listening to them in my 80's.

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

I always fantasize about seeing slayer etc fans when they are 90 shuffling to the van in an Exodus shirt with a walker.

[@VortechBand]

On Demanufacture, he had a once-modded JCM800, which was then further modded for Obsolete :) I did a similar hunting for the Demanufacture tone, using an Ibanez promo video from the era where you can hear Dino play on his original rig just by himself. By the end of this video, I think I got fairly close, using VST effects(!): /watch?v=i8C0o-0aOlc The exact path: LTD SC-607B (EMG 81) -> DI-signal -> OD (Cream Tube) -> JCM800 preamp VST -> Mesa impulse

[@VortechBand]

Here's the Ibanez promo video: /watch?v=X3IDe3sJaOI

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

VortechBand yep I think the gate mod was added on Obsolete. Thanks for the info.

[@ilovebutterstuff]

I always have my little practice amp's gain up to at LEAST 75%... Is this wrong? I adjust my thrash picking technique accordingly; chords/single notes. I noticed if I'm strumming with a lot of emphasis on the root chord, it actually sounds pretty good--- even without a bunch of pre-amp stuff.

[@brianm9282]

I have a 1981 Marshall, JCM 800 2204 that was modded by both Elan Memran (Metalhead Electronics) and Lee Jackson (Metaltronix). It's the real deal.

[@MiikeyLawless]

Dude that guitar...sick as fuck. But yeah very tough to replicate their sound, i usually just give up when i get close. Still makes it fun to jam along and build some picking hand strength.

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Yep. It’s a beast.

[@politesociety]

When I saw them live recently (demanufacture album live) they had everything running through Axe-Fx racks I don't think it was even miced up, just straight to house.

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Yep. I think we need congress to sign in mandatory modded Marshall’s for any guitarist who goes over a certain sales threshold.

[@fmbighair]

@@CIRCLEOFTONE omfg lmfao this is silly, clever and very funny in a total tone nerd way I know and love!!! Ha ha

[@pip5528]

Yeah, your tone sounded too tame. Dino's had more bite and was of course more scooped like you said.

[@fortune2673]

Pallbearer next? Really great vid thanks!

[@Robert048]

I really enjoy the guitar tone on Misery Index's album Traitors. It always seemed pretty old-school to me. That's somewhat modern. So this sound is not completely dead.

[@drsolaris909]

He uses Kempers and Mesa Boogies now, and also uses the Line 6 Flextone and MosValve Power amp . Idk what else he uses.

[@randynelson9961]

I have an old Guitar World magazine with Dino article in it and he said he had 2 of those Marshall JCM 800 heads. One with 6L6 and one with 6550. Apparently they both got stolen at same time.

[@matturner6890]

I've found that if you record with lots of mids from the amp you kinda have to scoop on the board or it'll get really boxy & squishy really fast.

[@ccandrew111]

Also, on the subject of production, I had a friend who stressed you should never print effects to the audio chain ( hardware compression, eq etc.),. Looking back I realise he is the problem with modern music: gutless, no risk takers, shit albums out of a fucking production line types who’ve murdered our once great art form

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

I am about to do a video on putting delays and reverbs IN FRONT of an amp (gasp!). On it's own it sounds rough, in a mix it has balls/excitement. I also picked up some old school Urei EQ's to play with as boosts/color.

[@marekweglarczyk5096]

This song is universal

[@darinsteele7091]

He's right, Wolf Hoffmann used a heavily modded Marshal JCM800 with more tubes and it was 200watts, he used that on the Balls to the Wall album, now that was a fucking killer sound. One of the best recorded guitar sounds ever... Easy to re-create too, a Peavey 6505 and EMG-81 basically all you need.

[@714jud]

Love your video! Great work. Thanks.

[@MosheAlvarez]

Dino did NOT have extra outboard equipment like EQ and such. His tone was all in his modded Marshall and used his ESP M1 with a single EMG-81. BTW, the power tubes were 6550's not 6L6's AND he used a set of 10/46 strings tuned to B standard

[@b.r2715]

That was tight bro 👍

[@jeffreymonroe153]

Prong- Cleansing.

[@swissarmyknight4306]

YES

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

I have the right amp right behind me ;-) if I snap my fingers, it could be done.

[@swissarmyknight4306]

ffffffffffffffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu---

[@blakkno666]

jeffrey monroe ... Tommy said that he used a korg G1 through a Marshall 800. G1 was an ace pedal, i still have one, it was also used on white zombies 'astro creep' and Dime used it for demos and also floods outro

[@icedvengence3845]

Yes

[@stephencox4509]

I'm right with you on the "sensible mids" deal. Look at dimebag's tone. Crushing! Pretty damn scooped. Terry Date hooked them up. Master of puppets and and justice were pretty scooped. Sepultura on beneath the remains. So many examples. Not all as extreme, but none were very mid heavy. It's not for all applications but depending on the band and the songs, it can be quite powerful.

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Yep. Agreed.

[@ccandrew111]

Could you approximate the extra gain stages using tube overdrive pedals such as blackstar’s ht range? Also on the subject of black star, they make amps with 6l6s but still have the British to American knob thing (pretty much nothing more than a marketing shill), could maybe get similar results

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

I've found overdrives/tube pre's tend to make it tighter than the gain stage mods unless the amp has something extra built in to compensate for the extra warmth/flub. I like Blackstar. They get a lot of stick (from people who have not tried them).

[@worksofein6449]

What even are mids?! ;) one of my favourite albums and guitar tones, I've been trying and failing to nail it for 20+ years. Would love to see you try get the tone from soul of new machine, or the first two strapping young lad or static-x albums.

[@CIRCLEOFTONE]

Here is static x kzbin.info/www/bejne/o37Jd6pph7p_rKc

[@worksofein6449]

@@CIRCLEOFTONE cool thanks, I'm just going through all your tone recreations now.

[@GoldenGateNum9]

*They actually had a bit of a tiff with Colin and he went in the studio and deleted all the drum tracks out of* *frustration with the band, fact is that the incredible sound obtained on Demanufacture was a bit of an* *accident.*

[@PistolShrimpPete]

We're talking about guitar tone.