I Got Cancelled. My Full Response

[@volgg]

We really did water down the definition of getting cancelled.....

[@Lu-sj6ni]

big time

[@narem1092]

True.

[@YeIsCorrect]

free nick Fuentes

[@donkeymoo1581]

Same with the word drama. Just buzzwords streamers spam in a never ending cycle of trying to stay relevant.

[@tomh6010]

It got you to watch the video though Editors: 1 You: 0

[@SLYP1EPLUSH]

Let’s cancel him for not playing monster hunter in a week.

[@betalite]

👀👀👀👀👀

[@urbanberndtsson]

Sounds like a plan

[@shyguywhite]

he always does that, jump wagons to a game, makes views out of it and then drops it. Same thing happened to Final fantasy xiv videos

[@Lazorouz]

RIOT

[@VelocityFilmsCO]

@@shyguywhite Not that bad tbh. He played a decent amount and got a decent amount of people into the game as well

[@Menky90]

Gonna take me a while to unpack a 2 hour video but ultimately I know it will come down to "It is what it is"

[@Nels_77]

I just started and now I feel I dont need to watch it because of your comment. Thank you.

[@bobsaget9170]

So like any other video then

[@aesopsock7447]

"society is unfair. But I got mine, so fuck y'all discussing ways to improve anything at all. I'm rich. Fuck you. It is what it is"

[@TheMartinSan]

tremendous!

[@twintrbo92]

@@aesopsock7447lmao why you mad?

[@Trastlol]

"I GOT CANCELLED" Reality: I had an argument on twitter.

[@Notyouraveragename]

ABORT! ABORT! ABORT! ABORT! ABORT! ABORT! - WITHOUT TWITTER: All our coffee machines will work the same. All our stores will work the same. All our shoes, cars, streets, and watches will work the same. But a cartoon character will have a imaginary problem. REALITY IS DOOMED!!!

[@lunasif]

Same thing.

[@lightworker2956]

@@lunasif Not really. In some cases, getting cancelled means that you get fired for no valid reason, or that you have your conference / presentation cancelled.

[@Slozerosh]

Reality: You clicked the link and engaged in the comment section. That's a win.

[@Crusthide]

@@lightworker2956 hey, recent Like a dragon: infinite wealth game had great social commentary on this. Guy got cancelled because some popular influencer distorted and falsified information on him, so he got laid off. This was not even close to cancelling. Cancelling would be if someone found and reported(true or not -doesn't matter, as long as enough people would believe in it) something deplorable/criminal about Asmongold, like sexual assault or whatever. At the end of the day, it's people just farming clicks, likes and views using Asmongold's popularity(as in, he is pretty known)

[@Scotladdie]

Getting cancelled on Twitter is now just the same as a verbal warning in school. First it sounds scary but then you realize it’s a grown adult screaming at you Edit: I got school work and personal life to juggle so I didn’t do further research, apparently it was just criticism. 🤷‍♂️ Sorry for the confusion, just read the title and decided to post lol, thank you people in the replies telling me it was just criticism it’s always great to get caught up in things since life’s been busy recently, keeping the comment up since some people could get a laugh out of it. Enjoy your day people!

[@adeadlyfart13]

It's actually becomes a badge of honor, the honor of not giving a phuck what insignificant people think of yourself.

[@shade0180]

what verbal warning getting canceled in twitter means you're one of the popular kids. and twitter is the so called creep circle everyone dislikes. it's not a verbal warning or anything at all it basically mean you're part of the popular kids.

[@rjmaxx1258]

I often wonder what it's supposed to accomplish? Who is going to listen to someone that hates you and wants the worst for you? Who is going to change their opinion for someone like that?

[@WarmGlassOfBatteryAcid]

Mentally ill adult

[@sah_hill]

hahaha i like this analogy true af

[@whatdoyoumeanwho]

You're uncancellable if you don't care what people on Twitter think.

[@aronblanche]

He is uncancellable because he doesnt have any job to be cancelled

[@3nim3nimabl3]

​@Mr92arnie he owns a company tho

[@Jaozedong-q5h]

People?

[@michaelhixson6939]

U cancelable until the bank says otherwise

[@Mil89GR]

You are also uncancellable when you do not have Twitter at all!

[@heathers.7755]

"Getting canceled is when people think something I said is dumb," a two hour and eight minute video. Fucking incredible, 10/10 no notes

[@TommyTheCommie451]

"I'm cancelled! Here's a 2 hour video filled with ads to show you why my life is over!"

[@picklepopsickle]

what else is being cancelled besides angry children don't like you, you said a sentence the hive doesnt like, and its a stream. you just read a title and assumed the entire videos content

[@thibaultassierdepompignan4311]

@@TommyTheCommie451 ads? you don't use an adblocker?

[@Slvl710]

you have no self awareness, probably because you take twitter seriously

[@rayhan4502]

just like the person who made 2 hours video just because of twitter tweets@@Slvl710

[@NoobShiesty]

This man made a 2 hour video of him reacting to himself. Genius!!

[@sladeh9813]

And id bet he could make another based off the reaction to this one lmao, it IS genius

[@rvt_h3d]

monetized narcissism

[@rattntattn778]

​@@rvt_h3d Dude is farming again

[@ayam8850]

Making money from haters, what a lifehack.

[@DJIrisch]

And Millions view, lol 😆... people will be people... People/ world countries just like paying and consume cheap... They will be a switch of job... some traditional job like fast food would be manage by people however flippy the robot will cook in the back

[@canihave1dab724]

I remember when being cancelled meant you’d be losing your social media accounts. Now it just means you’re being criticized by a large group of people. Progress!

[@Wokiis]

It's also extremely hard to ascertain what kind of size on the internet. First off, a few loudmouths often give the impression of being more in numbers until you count them. Secondly it's not like people restrain themselves to shouting their viewpoint from only one account.

[@ch4osaeternum74]

Well it's not even a large group really. It's usually just very powerful institutions with their hand full of activists. It relies on the individual to submit to the cancellation and take it lying down like a pathetic loser when they really should be responding with mockery and being willing to adapt to the situation at hand.

[@robr135]

@@ch4osaeternum74 Exactly. The only people that get 'cancelled' are the wusses.

[@Miswak.]

Thats a good thing, cancel culture should only work on valid cases.

[@jackscalibur]

And thank goodness!

[@th3redcomet374]

I'm always amazed at how Asmon can just farm HIMSELF

[@alahatim]

haha, it's like finding an exploit in real life

[@ChezMclegend]

Not only that but he can do a 2 hour video on something that didn’t even happen lol. Cancelled people can’t go and make KZbin videos after being cancelled 😂

[@Nuptup]

This was my first thought. Hahaha Asmon getting paid for his opinion on his opinion on AI art vs real art is gonna just spawn so much free money for him for generally little effort. Unless he does something actually egregious, this is all just free money, and even then, he'd still just get free money because exposure.

[@bigbossadidoss8678]

Bruh made a 2 dollar steak and then made vids on it for 6 months, he knows something we don’t here

[@Da_bul215]

I swear this is what I admire most about this guy 🫡 “wolf playin wit his sheep” 😂😂😂

[@ethosaurproductions448]

Bro got called dumb on twitter and made a 2 hour response im dead

[@BMG_Giving]

Factually you are incorrect as you are still alive at this moment in time.😂

[@atenbobi]

pretty fair considering the clip got over 40 million views (combining the popular tweets)

[@ManishTheGamer]

Bro coulda spent 2 hours cleaning his room lmao

[@christianchrisging2632]

Super hungry for content ngl he's on algorithms all day

[@whoandwut]

@@christianchrisging2632 looks like hes doing pretty good on those algorithms, love it

[@Meltyclaw]

"Everybody's had their turn to have a little bit of genocide." A most sobering quote.

[@nanoraCS]

fr

[@shyllo]

"I Got Cancelled. My Full Farming of Content from the situation"

[@OhNoAlexxStreams]

Asmon doesn’t need to farm for content. But he felt the need to address all this backlash because he hadn’t had a spicy take like this that got everyone upset of this degree in awhile.

[@DouglasMello457]

''' he got cancelled'' meaning, people disagree with his dumb takes, and think he is wrong.

[@cubiss1273]

​@@DouglasMello457 that's pretty much what being canceled means

[@TimoAbraham1]

​@@cubiss1273No getting cancelled means taking your social media so you can no longer spread your opinion, what you mean is just a discussion

[@cubiss1273]

@@TimoAbraham1 that's the original meaning. Now people just throw "cancelled" around without any meaning rally

[@TrashYacht]

Getting canceled on Twitter is like dying in DragonBall

[@Nny_V]

or well any american comic. how many times have the xmen come back? even superman.

[@Yutani_Crayven]

Most on point comparison of this phenomenon. It can't be said any better.

[@joey2934]

Thats so good

[@Infelious]

I noticed theres quite afew comments like that but not one of you are addressing what he said in this vid. To summarise because I imagine he says the same thing for 2 hours, he said the customer doesn't care if the end point is good.

[@TrashYacht]

@@Infelious i don't care to comment I what he said, I wanted a funny comment. Its a 2 hour video where he's talking about a million different things, what you said is the main point but he makes comparisons to chefs and farmers market, perceived price of art and how art doesn't functionally matter. Since you said "I imagine" im assuming you didn't watch the whole thing. But not every comment needs to address whats being said. Person say funny thing, other people like and say "haha true". Its not that deep

[@moonlitfoxling8448]

54:35 As a chef that overworked many hours, I can confirm. My boss at first told me, you can spend many hours to even days just to make food at a restaurant, only for the customer to eat it in 10 minutes, and 9 times out of 10 the customer won't care about the process of how it's produced, they just want to get a simple bite and live about their lives elsewhere

[@freakoffer]

As a linecook myself I am constantly told that I am nothing but a cog in the wheel, easily replaceable, and even a monkey can do my job... If people want AI chefs go right ahead, been doin this shit for 10+ years and still make fuck all for money let the AI overlords take it over

[@Teuwufel]

I disagree. People care, they don't want to eat trash out of a dupster, but they just don't bother asking everytime they eat somewhere. People simply assume something is up to some standards.

[@nathandingy]

@@Teuwufel Sorry but your wrong as someone with 13 years in the industry customers are not above eating trash I mean look how popular McDonalds is.

[@pauli311]

Who tells you that? I would like to message them directly and have a word. For real. @@freakoffer I will happily scream at whoever is telling you that.

[@andyserizawa]

@@nathandingy true that , in some develop country like mine , indonesia , we even rate food based on 1. PRICE 2.QUANTITY OF THE FOOD WITH THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE SPEND and the LAST is TASTE ... so yeah we didnt care about the cook we care about the food and the price that come with it

[@Denamic]

I can't believe Asmongold has been cancelled. He'll be missed.

[@Undeadaccount]

By who?

[@ThagVictor]

@@Undeadaccount depends on who's asking

[@jerkchickenblog]

not by anyone that matters

[@greymanjones5559]

I saw the video title and thought: "Again? Alright, what is it this time?"

[@Ghingis00]

@Denamic I love your profile pic, thanks for the flashback :)

[@AleASanti-mw5wv]

The moment personal attacks are used to try and win an argument, that person is already losing.

[@koncifer2235]

You are absolutely right

[@jamescpalmer]

Yeah its called an ad-hominem attack and it's used as a logical fallacy to prove a point. In latin it means to attack the person. It's a fallacy.

[@IncognitoActivado]

Like you?

[@XivaKnight]

@@jamescpalmer This is very often misused. You can call somebody stupid without it being an ad-hominem. An ad-hominem is just 'You're stupid, therefor your argument is invalid'. If they say 'Your ideas are so stupid, you're an idiot'- That is the exact opposite of an ad-hominem attack.

[@Chopstorm.]

"When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”

[@moca6655]

People disagreeing with you on the internet isn't being cancelled my guy

[@Ozzztin]

“I Got Critiqued” doesn’t get clicks tho

[@Bobbyroberts310]

It got you to click on the video tho

[@mikepartridge6396]

First day in KZbin?

[@hermityt1]

He's not being literal.

[@DorkyDogBoy]

@@hermityt1 It's in the fucking title how much more literal can you get?

[@fish_lord._.574]

is the villain arc cleaning ur room and going to the gym

[@danielson5415]

Also, not eating fast food and actually buying a mansion

[@scottkelley4517]

Canceled with 1.2 million views.

[@Nick-rs5if]

I think this quote belongs here somewhere: "I take responsibility for what I said, but not for what you understood."

[@apolloisnotashirt]

That is a beautiful quote.

[@JamesP7]

Damn, that really is genius. And is literally this “drama” in a nutshell.

[@Element4ry]

@@JamesP7 Gaslighting taken to next level xD

[@moruera6125]

💯

[@byunrosie]

erm actually, when you say things its your responsibility to communicate it in a way that keeps misunderstanding to a minimum 🤓🤓

[@Street0r]

Saw a reddit thread about this exact topic yesterday. Every1 was shitting on him personally, his looks, his living space. And everyone trying to actually talk about the context was downvoted to oblivion. These kinda people make it impossible to have any sort of meaningful discussion anymore.

[@HelloKolla]

And they will make the general public EVEN MORE apathetic to the artists' plight with this tribalistic behavior. They're literally chasing away potential allies 😂

[@brianb152]

Reddit gets worse by the day

[@Jannajx5]

yep classic npc behaviour

[@pizzaonapineapple9652]

artist should just work for free lol they bring nothing to society

[@ddlc_monika]

@@brianb152 ...reddit was good once?

[@JohnWick-rh1zz]

people wanna cancel a goblin? Good luck with that, goblins will always be around

[@spuffles2104]

goblins will be around until you watch goblin slayer

[@_Trash_Goblin]

Real

[@Bayofthe91st]

Goblin always obeys The Drow, therefore they should aim toward the master, but who is Asmon's Drow?

[@Cerenduil]

and there's a lot of them

[@AadetTube]

I thought he was a human warrior.

[@danishdude2191]

Let us put it in burger terms. If an AI, at Burger King can make me a better burger than a living person on MC-D. I buy the one at Burger King, I dont care about the person on MC-D or all the work he would put into making my burger. All I care about is getting a good burger and I buy my burger where they make it best. And its the same with games. I dont care if the game is made 100% by AI, if the game is good I buy it and if its Blizzhit I wont. Thats really how simple it is.

[@IGiveTheBestTakes]

Cancelled is becoming another word that means nothing

[@jinsenn]

Like woke

[@Zabrakjedi]

It never meant anything. You can't cancel an individual.

[@donkedonk123123]

It didnt mean anything in the first place. all these comedians that bitch and moan about people being cancelled when no one has ever actually been cancelled. sometimes a company will drop someone for saying stupid shit (like kanye) but who has ever actually been cancelled to a point where there career is over?

[@ElKabong3345]

It only means something if places like your job do something about it. Or if you spend a lot of time socializing in social platforms. Example: Cancelling Bobby Kotick didn't do shit when he's king and doesn't spend time on social media

[@AyoKeito]

Should have meant nothing in the first place. Unfortunately, it managed to damage western culture A LOT while it was alive.

[@sielklavar]

Someone: Hey man im sorry people are mad at you. Asmon: you're gonna have to be more specific.

[@pillgrimm]

Also him: WAAAAH IM BEING CANCELLED

[@aytony4090]

​@@pillgrimmThe title is a joke

[@oxsila]

The title is being facetious. Of course you missed it lmao@@pillgrimm

[@ix7958]

@@pillgrimm

[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi62]

"do you have the slightest idea how little that narrows it down?" - Asmon

[@tripattack]

When i hear someone say "I don't know enough to comment on that" i instantly gain more respect for the commentary they do give on other subjects

[@AvatarRoku-w8o]

👍👍

[@nate6795]

That’s also just a cop out depending on the exact subject. Like if someone says that after being asked “how many genders are there?” Then that’s a cop out. But if they get asked “what is quantum computing?” And they say “I don’t know enough about it to try to explain what that is” then that makes sense.

[@gulliblepiggy4346]

​@@nate6795well, duh lol

[@nate6795]

@@gulliblepiggy4346 just making a distinction between the two scenarios that wasn’t made clear by the commenter. Trust me, it isn’t obvious to everyone. You would be shocked at how dumb people are.

[@mariomario-dy1kc]

​@@nate6795 It can also be they heard this debate before, don't lean enough to care, have other hills they'd rather die on?

[@shill2920]

>Gets critized once

[@haluakui]

>'roon using greentexts on youtube lol.

[@AnxiousBlue]

@@haluakui Ha, you just did it too!

[@haluakui]

@@AnxiousBlue difference being that I'm not a 'roon.

[@customizablewario]

@@haluakui it must be miserable living such a hateful life

[@haluakui]

@@customizablewario It's quite an enjoyable experience I'd have you know.

[@Doreai]

So, this is a 2 hour long video breaking down a 1 minute and 30 second clip? Wow. I guess he really can make content regardless of the situation. I'll admit, that is rather impressive. lol

[@R_S747]

Streamers are a particularly interesting kind of useless, and Im saying that as someone who likes asmon lmao

[@SeanIsAFatty]

idk if we watched the same video, because he broke down even more then the clip and went after some of the tweets that followed

[@R_S747]

@@SeanIsAFatty he spent 2 hours talking about a 1 minute and 30 seconds clip mostly repeating himself when responding to tweets, I can't consider that too much of a difference tbh

[@Lumerlume11]

A 2 hour long video breaking down a 1 minute 30 second clip of HIMSELF. Infinite content glitch detected.

[@R_S747]

@@Lumerlume11 he should do a 12 hour stream reacting to this stream

[@KoxenBols]

Asmongold, the man who didn't get cancelled and uploaded a 2 hour video on it

[@jacktrades5103]

I bet them haters watched every second of it too 🤣

[@IncognitoActivado]

He owns his own company, that's the reason.

[@IncognitoActivado]

@@jacktrades5103 Who are you?

[@jargles]

​@@IncognitoActivado hes jacktrades?

[@jacktrades5103]

@@IncognitoActivado Ironically asking that question... wow you're really smmmmaaarrt.

[@The_LightArrow]

People on Twitter act like Twitter is Yugioh where you take direct Life Points damage when they make a tweet about you.

[@darthdonkulous1810]

Ha! They rally fuckin do. I fucking love your analogy 😂😂

[@rasmusa9415]

@@darthdonkulous1810stop swearing

[@voxsvoxs4261]

As a yugioh player, what are you talking about? just the exaggerated reaction to taking damage in the anime?

[@darthdonkulous1810]

@@voxsvoxs4261 I assume he means each tweet brings the person they are tweeting at 1 step closer to the shadow realm. Basically, the "person" tweeting thinks that what they say has the same huge impact lol. At least that's what I THINK they are saying. Always nice to see a fellow duelist in the comments lol

[@PigBenis-f5u]

Same as twitch streamers and lady boy generation we have. U say one thing u grt banned I'd the streamer doesn't agree. TF u talking about

[@thegamingplaguedoctor]

Can you be cancelled every month this year? Lets get the villain arc!

[@catedoge3206]

Yuh

[@TrueChaoSclx]

I mean, it can't be that hard. All you have to do is piss off Twitter once every 30 days

[@bulldowozer5858]

*EVIL* Asmon be like: *cleans his room*

[@Max-ej4oh]

Having common senses is evil now? Regain that basic human understanding back if you wanna survive here.

[@Alondro77]

Nux Taku yawns, "Pfft, if I get cancelled once a day... then it's a slow day."

[@Dae...]

As the great Dave Chappelle said: "Twitter isn't a real place"

[@Ignazo1]

But those people are real human beings, that is what's scary.

[@Dae...]

@@Ignazo1 ahaha

[@marcusmeins1839]

@@Ignazo1 with the brain of a rock

[@ForOne814]

@@Ignazo1 only if you choose to consider them as such.

[@gamemeister2905]

​@@Ignazo1I mean sure but like, does what they say on Twitter ACTUALLY matter?

[@amonamarth5566]

i just clicked the video because i was interested in the title, now i am sitting here for an hour already because this talk is really interesting. i really appreciate the way you are talking with your audience and the chatters. it's a dialogue even with the people who disagree, i like that. you are a good example on discussion and arguing with people.

[@cellisch3753]

Yet everyone in here is shitting on this whole thing cuz of the title. Gotta love it

[@thewizardninja]

@@AmyZonkers He's not demanding that he has to be right, he's stating the truth. And his detractors all acknowledge this considering the vast majority of their criticism all begin with "well he IS right... but..."

[@ZomgLolPants]

being called an idiot for saying something stupid isn't being canceled

[@cheatermccheat6378]

​@@hairchasers69 why don't you?

[@henriquemedranosilva7142]

​​@@hairchasers69If his original clip was, him talking about a reality of the progress of technology and how it can disrupt many people lives, maybe he wouldn't have said something stupid. But he framed that, a good thing and a moral question on why the consumer should draw a moral line while being very apathetic over people getting fucked over

[@AcidxAnarchy]

I wouldn't say he said something stupid, I'd say he spoke the truth.

[@Notyouraveragename]

It's just the anti ai crowd. As a disclaimer i've been in the art community for several years and hobby ai for 1. Trust me, it's not him in general, it's just people hoping for praise and likes generally angrily jealous and zealous of any pro ai comment. Even a very moderate one like Asmon reacting rather lightly for asmon to a palworld scenario. You can also be hitler in Chicago for putting ketchup on a all beef, natural spice hotdog. These people are kinda drama queens ngl. Bring on the downvotes but they are literally complaining someone looked at a picture not made by them while there are people literally being born as a consequence of no abortions, childrens seperated from families. And they're often brigading on twitter in 30-1000s. When they meet a bigger mob of 100,000s-1,000,000s like the Palworld or scooby doo, springtrap incident. Hell If asmon pointed his own followers back, They'd turn tail like whimpering dogs but probably mutual death threats. Internet ain't well these days i say. But then again it's the internet.

[@Taygon45]

@@AcidxAnarchy He said the truth is a way too abrasive for some people to take it at face value.

[@Bassalicious]

What hurts me most about this is people calling a logical, well founded, generalised argument "braindead". There's no hope for these people

[@mikhail5002]

now monetize it, replace the hurt with money

[@Bassalicious]

@@moomoocowsly No I'm not assuming that. The fact that I can't is what hurts. Tribalism, dogmatism and purely emotional communication, yeah. People who are beyond reason scare me.

[@Awwie_]

They are active twitter users.. there never was hope for them

[@misterlee1390]

True

[@holy8782]

@@moomoocowsly holy generalization.

[@KingKaiju95]

"I don't care" proceeds to make a 2 hour video

[@rojetx8204]

Its a stream not a video.

[@ThomasH7]

It's called farming controversy for content.

[@dazza5137]

The man is a master of his craft. At the time of writing this, the video has 700k plus views. He farmed this and will be paid for this. Man's laughing all the way to the bank. Who's the real fool?

[@ryanvacation7319]

He makes money that way. Say something controversial to ruffle people’s feather then farm it for content. Those offended should just ignore him because their rage is getting milked.

[@ThomasH7]

@@ryanvacation7319 he speaks 95% truth give or take, not his fault people are stupid or just believe stupid things. Works out well for him and me

[@YAH93]

If I would drink a shot for every time Asmon has been cancelled by now, I would probably die of alcohol poisoning.

[@NPCSlayer666]

hahaa

[@thepope2184]

If i would drink a shot for every time asmons been cancelled i would be the least alcoholic russian newborn

[@Danktank02]

@@thepope2184hahaa

[@frederikp1353]

thats horrible!... fuck it lets do it, lets drink every time

[@skidmc]

Absolutely not

[@CSorgini]

AI is literally "If everyone is super, then no one will be"

[@otapic]

I swear these peeps talk like supervillains but they're not self aware

[@Luminus2]

The more advanced technology becomes, the lazier everyone else becomes.

[@zelnickno.2348]

ai cant even be super despite all the artists that it copied

[@CSorgini]

@@legendsofcelestite.officia5398its probably my favourite superhero movie.

[@DraggyLordeOfficial]

OOF, definetly not.

[@natural20_]

you weren't canceled, you baited those who actually think you can be canceled to watch a 2 hour farm. I swear this is why I love watching this dude.

[@litical3719]

Ong 😂

[@tristanmueller6653]

“baited them into watching a two hour farm” do you really think a single person who hates him is watching this whole thing, how much dumber can his audience truly get

[@cynicalthoughts]

You could say he is a master baiting 🙂

[@samnorman-f6f]

@@tristanmueller6653 Yet you are here. How ironic.

[@IncognitoActivado]

@@FcoEnriquePerez "Specially when Asmon is 'completely' right" XD

[@filfortugno]

Man is farming himself at this point. literal money printer. GG Asmon.

[@DrumBoyHG]

He’s smart as shit for it tbh

[@an2c615]

I wish i was this successful and so do you

[@lawgx9819]

"*shits in the public* thats right, i got your attention now did i?"

[@thundermill7109]

⁠@@lawgx9819if you made money doing that with no real consequence then people would do that with no shame

[@Aleyck]

@@lawgx9819 If it made bank, unironically, yes.

[@MarcoMeatball]

Glad you read this - I enjoyed hearing your insight on the tweet. I think as long as discussion and a decent back and forth occurs, there is room for flexibility. Which a lot of people seem to forget.

[@Hypedchaoz]

A meatball has made it's appearance!

[@memesofdestruction5601]

a wild meatball !

[@kelwinkwel]

well said

[@jesterbrown90]

Dang, i was not expecting to see you here.

[@mitchellhafford6058]

Getting cancelled = getting pushback. Awesome 2024 mental gymnastics

[@tedthecommenter5364]

A 2 hour video because he got people criticizing his opinion on twitter. This is what "cancelling" is to people like asmongold.

[@NateO123]

He’s using the term mockingly as a descriptor for how Twitter reacted to him, he knows they have no power over him, he’s just laughing in their faces.

[@Phoenax]

Found the hater who doesn't understand sarcasm

[@dingerling9017]

​@@tedthecommenter5364were you one of them?

[@ryanfonte3460]

sarcasm ffs, amazing 2024 brain usage. doing his job by exploiting it for money

[@Lark88]

29:19 Chatter actually said "There have been no genocides since 1945." What????

[@shiroeikami8467]

Might be a reference from Avatar the last Airbender. "There is no war in Ba Sing Se".

[@SilverSentinel]

Well, when did the Rwanda slaughter happen? (I wanna say the 90s; I was born in '85, so you'd think I'd remember . 😅 ) There's also the Tiananmen Square slaughter, albeit that's probably less of an attempted genocide than what happened in Rwanda. As far as the idea that [insert protected rainbow group here] is being hunted down and unalived in the streets en masse, the people making that claim need to lay off the magic mushrooms, CNN and liberal arts classes. All three are known to produce hallucinations.

[@Lark88]

@@shiroeikami8467 I hope so and I'm going to assume it was sarcastic for my own sanity.

[@Metaljacket420]

I think he meant to say "There's have been no genocides against white people since 1945."

[@beastguyson]

Saying yes and agreeing with himself over his own video is hilarious 😂

[@metallboy25]

"True"

[@Infelious]

whats he meant to say otherwise, he disagrees?

[@squidfeet7278]

its just funny regardless of his opinion lol, nothing against asmon. It's one thing watching a reaction to a reaction, but it's quite humorous to watch someone react to themselves as if they were having a conversation, that's all.@@Infelious

[@toxiiskullz]

Wouldn't you do the same if you were watching your own response?

[@keithgraham8588]

@@squidfeet7278 Asmon is known for being the guy who reacts to reactions..... also you are talking about a 5 min section of a 2 hour long video rofl What is funnier is when stupid people try to act like they are smart. He wasn't even remotely talking to himself, he was conveying his point as well as context of what the clip was about. You do know he is streaming to thousands of people as well, right?

[@ceePx]

asmon was prob like "YEAH I CAN MILK THIS FOR CONTENT!" when he woke up and saw this 🤣. Some people on twitter are really something aren't they..

[@Scarecrowwx]

Yeah he should've milked it the way revsaysdesu does tho. Fuck the 2 hour vid, make 10 10 min vids

[@Toufage]

All Asmon is saying is that when it comes to the monetary value of a product in the market it is not up to the creators to give what they've made value beyond setting the price, it's the consumers that determine the demand and value by purchasing the product. Not just the visual artists. The writers, musicians, programmers, game designers. Their opinions "don't matter" when it comes to what the consumer deems valuable and worth purchasing, it is simply just not up to the creators to determine that. I am a visual artist. I have an art degree, I have worked independently selling commissions and for corporate businesses. In my own experience I soon learned when making art for others that seldom does your opinion of your own work and ideas actually matter. It's a tough realization but really it's like most jobs, there is a compromise on your personal values. I'm sure the average office worker is not passionate about the work or company they work for, they are just providing a service to meet the demand of the market. Asmon is not saying that artists don't matter in any capacity, he is not saying that artists don't have value in society or what they create doesn't mean anything or is worthless. He is strictly talking about market value. The cumulative lack of reading comprehension on the internet really depresses and baffles me.

[@harryross9377]

You just explained perfectly how communism doesn't work.

[@benjaminly4104]

His wording is what angers people, you can’t get all that you’re saying from the original clip, but this explanation explains it better.

[@byunrosie]

along with his wording is his influence. he doesnt show much compassion or emphasize how bad it is, like how charlie does when he talks about ai. lets be honest, most viewers here are teens who're impressionable. seeing asmon speak about this so noncholantly isnt helping his impressionable audience to respect artists. hes speaking about the issue in a way thats only making it worse. he can say all the points hes saying in a way that isnt so insensitive.

[@sikwitit4life]

That is what's wrong with society today. People are so quick to be offended that they actually listen to how you say a fact rather than the fact itself.

[@simonpetrcov]

My guy, that’s every society tbh, people have been like this since the dawn of humanity, it just gets worse with every generation.

[@DevilripperTJ]

if your personallity consits only of your Gender, 1 hobby or 1 absurdly stupid movement that will die off in the next few years again your life is empty. Those ppl do have nothing what brings them joy and most likely sit their jealous looking at him knowing he is probably right but can't agree or else the last bit of light in them turns to darkness.

[@dude9501]

​@@simonpetrcovnaw imo it's just the age rn, an influx of children being terminally online and people with doctorates making algorithms that massively promote this type of content

[@VR_Von_Bruegge]

Nah, problem is social media where everyone can talk sh*t about everybody. So back in the days when you told your neighbours, nobody cared about it. And so it’s with social media. Nobody cares besides Twitter users 😂

[@lukewarmape603]

@@DevilripperTJ Asmon fits into exactly what you described. Its just that you also follow that 1 thing so you dont care. Your comment should really read "if your personallity consits only of your Gender, 1 hobby or 1 absurdly stupid movement that I don't like/relate to/agree with your life is empty"

[@Fooligan23]

gets criticized once

[@TipsyFGC]

Hes not allowed to respond to criticism? He should just shut up and take it, especially when hes right?

[@gavsal1129]

@@TipsyFGCthe video is 2 hours long at most he just need to make 5 minute video.

[@Bolizen]

Ehh it was like 3 criticisms voiced by 50k people

[@Hetyy947]

@@gavsal1129this is why we gotta actually watch the video man. He was responding to all sorts of people’s arguments

[@raspymorten]

​@@TipsyFGC Reacting to it with a 2 hour video about how he was "cancelled" is cringe.

[@Rexarrian]

I thought to myself, no way I'm gonna watch 2 hours debate about this. I gave myself 10-15 minutes just to general understanding of the drama, but I've ended up watching the whole thing as a podcast during work.

[@assassin47511]

Same I'm working and listening to this lol

[@Umdraelteryx]

Same here, XD

[@kionake1]

im doing this RIGHT now lol

[@Indpendent01]

i could not watch the whole thing but now im slightly tempted to

[@LazyBuddyBan]

so whats the too-long-didnt-read of this video?

[@DeafeningCha]

The saddest truth of this whole video to me, at around 106:10 (slightly paraphrased) "The moment it costs people anything to do something ethical, it stops happening." Time is a cost. Since being more ethical takes time... You can fill in the rest.

[@StorymasterQ]

Nah, no time. 😂

[@WindKaze]

I'm mad at Asmongold for not playing more Holocure

[@suruzu]

kay yu said the update's coming soon so maybe he'll come back to game by then

[@antares3030]

You should cancel him

[@EeveeRealSenpai]

@@antares3030 physically impossible to cancel this man 🔥🔥

[@Pokeringo]

He finished it, he's just waiting for the next update.

[@betterjustice6697]

Had to search this up, indie as hell

[@zeromatsuri]

19,7 million tweeter people could almost make 1 real person

[@Mementomori292]

So far we've got the short cut green dyed hair and the eternally unsatisfied facial expression

[@RadioWhar]

almost only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades...

[@sadasd-n2f]

But it still doesnt sadly for them

[@jacktrades5103]

This is the new Pinocchio? I love it.

[@Ritchuds]

You should make an apology with a ukulele and say sorry for having an opinion, artists are easily top 3 worst people to interact with online with how insufferable they can be.

[@DuUnC_H]

Folks like you are 2nd place

[@matteolari8361]

artist detected @@DuUnC_H

[@Ritchuds]

⁠@@DuUnC_Hmy fault for not liking people who complain endlessly.

[@WhyYoutubeSucks]

Top one is shit radical feminist for sure

[@EeveeRealSenpai]

Artists being one of the top 3 worst people to interact with? How are you so right. It feels like it shouldn't be but you got it on the mark.

[@RuToob]

I'm a 50 year old lady that plays Lilly's Garden on my phone and that's it. Not a gamer at all. I occasionally watch your videos BECAUSE of how you lay out your arguments, and your tone. We're in a dangerous time in the world because critical thinking is going away. Crowds of people with no reason, who are completely ignorant, have a lot of power. If you jar someone with your delivery enough that it makes them never want to be in the position of being embarrassed of their ignorance and their spreading of false information, then I think that's a good thing.

[@JamesP7]

Weird thing to ask, but do you know about the lore behind that game’s KZbin advertisements? It’s wild.

[@minecrewsupernt831]

​@@JamesP7 Bruh ikr

[@spookiesquirrel]

​@@JamesP7 I actually looked into it a while back because it was crazy to me. Apparently, the lore is tied to the company that does the ad, not the game. The game maker buys the ad, it works, so they keep buying it. The company just makes up the most wild thing they can to pull attention lol You get ads with people going to jail and affairs but it's literally just normal bejeweled or something haha

[@JamesP7]

@@spookiesquirrel I’m aware, I saw the Saberspark video. I was just curious if they knew.

[@Socioromanticism]

Psychologically speaking, embarrassing someone in itself doesn't lead to becoming more informed. It just leads them to avoid the debate in its entirety. That is, they keep their opinions to themselves. But they don't change it. It creates echo chambers. Tone isn't everything. But it does matter. When you have a big platform, you're not obligated to coddle and cater. But if you want discourse, shaming people with a different opinion only works to hurt that. It creates a breeding ground for toxic fan bases. People with dissenting opinions don't always get reasoned pushback: they get piled on in ways that are, by no accident, rude ad hominem takes. Because that's who you attract in your tone. That's probably what Asmon wants. He doesn't actually want discourse. Whatever. Business decision. I have no issue with that. But if you want to encourage discourse, you ought to have a problem with that. Because shaming others only encourages echo chambers. Hold your opinion, but if you want discourse, how you say it absolutely does matter.

[@Alacod19]

Asmongold getting "cancelled" is a 2hr content video that makes him money. He always says just enough to trigger the right people into making viral tweets/videos about him but will never actually touch a subject that will truly cancel him.

[@basementhomie2674]

You can't be cancelled when you don't give a fuck

[@riotangel4701]

How does he get cancelled on twitter when he doesn't even make money there. True cancel is if people stop watching his streams and videos.

[@holdenhodgdon3756]

This is the guy who content farms his response to other KZbinrs negatively reviewing his PC building company's product.

[@GingeroFee]

At this point any subject is worthy of a cancellation, its just that the point he is making is reasonable to most people with common sense no matter the topic. He stands by what he says and he is confident in what he delivers.

[@SavageZebra67]

You are waffling m8. he says controversial shit all the time. maybe nobody gives a shit about those subjects

[@rokas.digital]

As someone who's been an artist for about 10 years now, I completely agree on the part that none of the art is truly 'original'. It's impossible not to be influenced by things you see, so you can either do that consciously or unconsciously. Also, there's a widely popular book titled 'Steal like an artist' and it's recommended in Art Universities as a must-read. From my experience, artists who don't understand this are the ones who don't actually improve or learn new things and then get stuck with their skills being subpar, and struggle to land a creative job.

[@Stratocaster42]

Imitate, assimilate, innovate. Copying is the best way to improve as an artist. I still think AI is sketchy though

[@rokas.digital]

@@Stratocaster42 AI is just a tool imo, and it's not going away, so we might as well learn to deal with it. I played around with midjourney for 2-3 months because I was interested in how it works, and all I can say is that it's a tool like no other. And you can actually create some really unique and bizarre images that feel more original than most of the artists' work. But at the end of the day, at the current state, the best you can do with it is generate quick ideas and concepts. And if someone is aware and is happy to be paying for AI artwork, I don't really see a problem with it either. Their money, their choice.

[@xenn4985]

​​@@Stratocaster42if ai is sketchy, then so are are boocks

[@yuutootosaki4327]

If God truly exist then the artist who took inspiration out of nature are not that original either since "god" technically created everything else that is not man made.

[@EvenBigger-Brother]

Sacrilege, once you apply photoshop ii aint a photograph but creative art . same scenario . cheating is a common trait .

[@liamglasel]

I, as a regular youtube viewer for the last 6ish years, have only discovered this drama through this video. I dont use twitter and i believe my life is better for it 😂

[@djakilahofficial4443]

same bro, fck twitter, overrated if u ask me..

[@iliilliliiliilliliiliillil9137]

It definitely is

[@danielandrews36]

Same mate twitter fucking sucks

[@alexandra2014]

Ditto. If I could cut out Facebook, I'd be even better off too. Only thing holding me there is keeping in touch with elder family members

[@MartaTodorovic]

I'm yet to find out what this drama is about, but can confirm - life without Twitter is so much better

[@MeteoImpact3374]

51:52 Generative AI can absolutely create new things... that's how it basically solved protein folding in medicine. It is also being used to come up with novel programming algorithms more efficient than anything people have been able to come up with thus far. If there is a way to measure success (is the protein valid, does the algorithm produce correct results, etc...) then generative AI can iterate potential solutions far faster than any human, and since the whole thing is basically a big pattern matching algorithm, it can measure patterns that we haven't previously been able to identify.

[@HeartOfGon]

What a legend, standing on business and not adding any extra undue stress to his life. 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@Dragonage2ftw]

It's pretty childish.

[@Ghoninn]

@@Dragonage2ftw your playlists aren't?

[@drewzle837]

@@Dragonage2ftwchildish to…ignore Twitter controversy?

[@cremonster]

Well lots of people do that lol, doesn't mean they're right or wrong

[@truzd]

@@Dragonage2ftw because..why ?

[@ericl1421]

"I'm one controversy away from a villain arc" 😂

[@epidemiologic8838]

"Your opinion doesnt matter" = "the artist is dead" In school, we often encounter the notion that critics perceive art through a lens of detachment, where they declare, "the artist is dead." This phrase encapsulates the idea that once a piece of art is created and presented to the world, it takes on a life of its own, separate from the intentions or personal identity of the creator.

[@realmarsastro]

Specifically it's called "death of the author". Well known thingy.

[@pedroalgo3990]

specially in this growing society people need to understand art can still be sold and made business off but targetting animation might not be the best choice long term.

[@Tiasung]

Keep in mind most of these people are "artists"', not *artists*. They are afraid their low effort trash will get replaced by something better that is AI made. A lot of professional artists are actually glad about the AI improvements since it could massively cut down production time, and also make it possible to create some amazing things that would be easy to imagine but hard to create.

[@yudhok]

​@@Tiasungexactly and spot on

[@theyoungster2]

​@@TiasungBut people like Tartii ARE *artists*. They literally make their living off of Patreon. The only thing that would link them to being scared of AI, is that they're an artist speaking out against AI. Having an opinion doesn't automatically make you a poser.

[@whisped8145]

If only art degrees were indicators that people had learned any artistic skills...

[@Notyouraveragename]

XD

[@iller3]

There would be NO CONTROVERSEY right now, if every person involved already knew what most Rule34 artists are basically **required** to know about Copyright, Trademark, and Parody.

[@421LIZO]

never thought about it with this point of view

[@LibraritheWizardOfficial]

R34 artists being as based as ever

[@Derploop]

Would you explain? I don't understand fully what you're saying, and I also think based on what I can glean that maybe you don't understand the wider ML image generation controversy.

[@kewlkat2712]

I wonder if any rule34 artists have ever been sued for copyright

[@mitchellgardner9201]

You can still retain up to almost like 70% of the original thing you're copying, it only has to be altered so little to not be copyright. Someone will probably correct me if Im wrong. But something to that effect.@@Derploop

[@zero3556]

05:07 I remember when I was completely distraught in college because I had the feeling I couldn't create something completely unique and had the feeling every idea just built upon already existing ideas. I brought my concerns to my professor and he told me that's completely normal because that's the nature of art. New methods are the innovation but the subject itself is as old as we are. Everything artists do is letting their own emotions and experiences flow into the subject but it is impossible for art to not be derrivative in some way, shape or form. People seeing art as something completely unique haven't understood the process imho.

[@whiskeyjack02]

People also think that creativity is this magical thing that cannot be understood or explained, and that only humans are capable of. Same thing with inspiration; people get inspired by outside elements, it's not something intrinsic.

[@Nick-rs5if]

Life is a set of experiences unique to the individual. Though this by itself is not a unique experience. Understanding this is wisdom, coming to terms with this is sanity, and expressing this is artwork. In my humble opinion, life's a canvas. 😄

[@KillerBot93]

Not only that, but no two things are completely identical either. Life, the universe and everything is more about the variations than the constants.

[@netherborn3261]

Yes, but do you think writing text to a robot builds upon anything?

[@jarkinmalarkin]

Are you saying something can't come from nothing?

[@VelvetPrince]

Clicking this knowing the man can't be cancelled

[@MrOrmanley]

From a german pov, being blunt and direct is the most polite way to voice your thoughts, as it does away with misunderstandings, avoids time wasted and respects the intelligence and emotional maturity of your audience. Don't waste time and sanity to package your message in a politically correct way to appease the immature. Be yourself. Personally, I see AI as problematic, but with human nature and capitalism, it's unavoidable that it will keep going, and that we will keep making things more comfortable for ourselves, while siphoning human purpose at the same time.

[@CrimzonKingdom]

I saw the title and knew he’d finally achieved it, the peak of social media sorcery, the reverse cancellation technique

[@dem1s3]

I'm a drummer and I've dealt with this for a long long time because of drum machines. Same arguments were made for those; that they would replace drummers, it's lazy/cheating, etc. In some cases, they do replace human drummers. Drum-and-base music, synthwave, pop, metal covers on YT, etc. There's a ton of genres where the music is made by a human-guided machine. But there are still a staggering amount of bands made up of people playing instruments and people buy their music, merch and tickets to shows. Just because a drum machine can play a 280 bpm blast beat perfectly doesn't mean it's good. It is different with music-making because there is a skill involved with using music-generating software, but I'm just not that bothered by the concept of machine-developed art because I don't actually think it's as much of a threat to human art as it's being portrayed atm.

[@DaxMarko]

"Lazy/cheating?" That's dumb as hell, real acoustic drums are like a completely different "soundscape" compared to drum machines. They're both viable in their respective genres. Same with every other instrument. Their electronic counterpart is not an upgrade or downgrade, but an alternative. I bet those same people will say that using drum samples is "stealing".

[@christianalanwilson434]

Good point. Just like with music, I think actually skilled artists don't have much to worry about. Its the mediocre/bad artists that are quaking in their boots because they are the most replaceable.

[@luminous3558]

There is just something about the slight imperfections of human played music and physical instruments that stands out.

[@natv6294]

“Ai” requires the entire internet and solely rely on us to exist. Read the lawsuit of Anderson vs Midjourney and all the magic of “Ai” will fade away for you pretty quickly, take down LAION and you generate empty noise now, the fact that corporations uses this for their own gain and marketing you some humane terms like “create” instead of ingest, “learn” “inspired” and you all believe it is wild to me. FB algorithm doesn’t replace your family member, y’all just LOVE your big brothers so much these days.

[@Gravity_hpu]

When I go watch a band, the drummer being there in person is definitely an important factor too! I’ve played guitars for a while, and I’ve used some of the “artificial drums”, but its because I don’t always want to connect with a drummer for a dumbass minute and a half long 0-0-0-0-0-1 riff lololol

[@Moose745]

Imagine going to the super market to buy apples and making sure that whoever is planting those, is getting paid enough. These people live in bubles, they know nothing about life besides twitter and reddit

[@Kanamon22]

Some people do that, like how some people are vegans cause they don't like the whole meat process and stuffs and nothing wrong with that tbh, but no one can live like that with everything. And in that same example people don't care about how the workers are in the places that farm their food, they just want to eat their salads shitting on people who eat meat (not everyone) while still wearing clothes made in china by a factory that don't give two shits about their workers. People will complain when something affect them, but if that's not the case they can easily close their eyes to the rest of the issues that they don't like cause it doesn't affect them.

[@timrim9405]

I think it's even worse... Big corpos already have big databases with images they own... Their idea of restrictions on AI training would give corporations insane monopolistic power. This is insanely bad - it's more like trying to convince people to use poisonous substance on apples to prevent their shrinking because of rainless weather.

[@Han-tc7wx]

Well I think it would be good to know. Part of the problem is it’s just so hard to know

[@nikovz4719]

@@jsmith8147aannnd that purchase is supporting possibly LOCALLY GROWN compared to corporate earnings

[@Jvstinhw]

I'm an artist who makes art no one cares about. he's not wrong.

[@JudgementRyu]

The issue isn't so much the tool, it's how it's used. If the AI devs paid artists to make the database for their tool to draw from instead of scraping the internet for content without paying the respective artists or even asking anything. The issue is that the AI can't create its own content from it, it can only draw strictly from the content it's fed. It just copies. The same contept is a problem exists when people do it. And that's where the issue lies imo, so I think it can be fine if it's done fairly. But not with how the public AIs have been doing things so far. In the end I think people who want art made will go to artists and people who want AI generated content.

[@rhunmahariel7877]

He needs to find more people like that one art student chatter to discuss this stuff with. People actually in the field. And that discussion was so good because both sides werent wrong, Asmon helped him think about things differently, and the chatter helped enlighten Asmon on certain things. I'd love to see Asmon and someone like RubberRoss talk about the whole AI Art stuff.

[@Joromonni]

I would be interested in a collab like that. Also I feel like there's a side to the conversation that people don't consider, which is how toddlers draw/start drawing.

[@astrea555]

He act so smug about it because he's in a rare position where his job cannot be replaced at all.

[@tedchirvasiu]

Timestamp, please? Not gonna watch this 2 hour gargantuan video

[@tedchirvasiu]

​@@astrea555If AI will reach the point where it can fully replace artists, programmers, writters, it will 100% be able to replace reaction streamers.

[@rhunmahariel7877]

​@@tedchirvasiu gotcha, around 1:23:11, his convo here with duskhunter

[@EihaMudo]

if anyone played Persona 5 remember Yusuke's confidant hang outs when he drew that first metaverse art and it was judged negatively. He got mad (like what you see on twitter) but later on grew as a person and an artist and realized why it didnt have value in the first place.

[@Shadowan]

Yusuke, my beloved femboy

[@uselesswasteofhumanflesh]

Yusk my beloved

[@seg162]

@@Shadowan Bishounen, not femboy.

[@KyleShrader-vg9ny]

I would point out that amour's model would need to train on more images than they can provide as a baseline. They would use their images to fine-tune the model to be more about them. But innately, it was trained on other images that they don't own. But w/e

[@chrisredfield6274]

How do you even know this?

[@dingerling9017]

Every person who protentiously refers to themselves as an artist trained on the work of others. Many even pracriced drawing real peoppe without getting consent, if you want to be dramatic.

[@KyleShrader-vg9ny]

From my understanding, any model trained on such a similar set of content would be overfit and would not create a flexible enough result to meet the needs described in the video.@@chrisredfield6274

[@ManishTheGamer]

bro thinks getting criticized online is cancelling lmao

[@alexzander1142]

It's for clicks

[@ManishTheGamer]

@@alexzander1142 Bro coulda spent 2 hours cleaning his room instead

[@alexzander1142]

@@ManishTheGamer but that won't get him 1m+ view on his channel tho

[@griffiththechad9483]

@@alexzander1142 I could see a room cleaning livestream from Asmon breaking 1M views. It’s a once in a lifetime event.

[@picklepopsickle]

well since you think theyre different why dont you tell us the correct definitions?

[@rylsdark]

Man, its just really eye opening that only a specific category of people in the internet think otherwise.

[@Khendrall]

The main issue is people being blinded by biases and trying label things to fit their narrative. The reality is that in the end it doesn't really matter what you think, but rather how you act. Zack (Asmongold) does make a good argument with how batteries or many consumer electronics are made and most people would agree that the methods used in the making of such products its immoral but also most people still don't care and would still buy whatever they think its worth their attention and money. The same thing happens with many other things that people do daily but we SELECTIVELY decide to give more imporance to some things rather than others and thats just human nature. Yet, human nature alone doesn't define us. You can't really expect to go around saying: "Well, that's just how things are" or "That's just how I am" and be the end-all and be-all to all arguments. Reality is often if not always more complicated than that. At the same time you can tackle a problem from different angles but not necessarily one is better than the other or even more accurate. Some people may see a 6 when others a 9, some will see an "X" when for others thats a 10, a certain word could be a compliment in one place when in another could be a curse word, or a certain Japanese Kanji may mean and be pronounced entirely different from the same Chinese character counterpart. Heck, even the characters used for the word "Kanji" has different pronunciations in Japanese and Chinese... So then, who is right and who is wrong? The reality is that there are instances where there is no real winner in the argument and both things can be correct as can be incorrect depending on your perspective. Where someone lives, which age you live/lived, culture, traditions, physical/mental conditions they have/had, who you hang out with, personal experiences, religion/beliefs etc. influence your point of view and whoever thinks otherwise and say that they have no bias is first of all based, but also objectively speaking wrong.

[@Notyouraveragename]

Still even with ai's success or not, even though the allegations proved to later be speculative at best, or dishonest at worst. We still have this admist blizzard firing HALF of it's entire art force. - While nobody likes hearing shit talk to their face then asked to pull out their purse strings to a person taking a dump over them, a lot of the anti ai backlash or counterlash comes from both sides basically lashing out. Anti ai sentiments, often have very reasonable concerns come from concerns about job stability, "If i let this compete, will i be able to retire? have a future?". Even the friends i'd consider.. well. "saner than twitter" all share sentiments. They too can like ai in private non commercially and have fun with it or get the power or horny making them spit and then roll over like a preacher with a porn magazine against a sin they're afraid of committing. Hell, palworld, allegations or not, HAD a IMMEDIATE 200 ->400 and DOUBLING each day nsfw community from a art community that apparently hates it! They go to talk one thing about how horrible it is. Then one pokemon gives the thirst eyes. They're concerned about the job opportunities, but by god damn. Lets not kid ourselves. A lot of da drawer's aint that talented, but some of the stuff, hateboner or not is pretty good. It makes 100% sense that people would love the praise, the attention. Just everyone is pointing out, people need job opportunities. Even commercial art could be boring as hell! You don't draw what you want, you get worked towards a deadline by someone who doesn't even know what they're telling you to do! Yet, you need to MEET deadlines, and you need employment in our modern world for healthcare and bills to be paid. If people don't have a job, how will they eat? Problem is, a lot of people didn't try to push for like sane or job protecting acts. As people point out. Insulting people rarely leads to a good outcome for either, but just more people dividing. Yeah people had a hateboner for Palworld. Yes they looked to criticize the designs. Yes they pointed out the similarities. And yes, they started drawing the mons fucking each other immediately within the first 24 hours. Welcome to the internet everyone! I think the flaw here though. Is that people point out it's basically team Labor vs Team labor expecting Team Quarterly profits to be their savior. AI is showing, right or wrong that A- Consumers were willing to buy a product, seen as ai (false or not), because they liked the game. B. Even as someone who used hobby both. AI ISN'T a full grail. It struggles with fight scenes, multi character scenes out of box, it needs control nets for precise. If you want to plan out a cutscene you might literally be better off with stick figures than trying to make ai multi character out of box cutscenes unless regional prompting. C: Even for ai's strengths, it got one characters with loras fine. But it struggles a lot at random holes. Games will want someone who can do 100%. a ai program that can do 70% and brick 30% might do the 70% REALLY well honestly. But would you watch a movie where 30% of the dvd was scratched, or be able to enjoy a book 30% of the pages were ripped out? Even as someone on side both, i feel like there are glaringly, less hate, more holes of "I want it there!"s with ai. Mirrors don't work, ai text often forgets to have a memory when plots are rushed. Character designs are often hard to replicate. Ai animation needs lots of work. Even though i'm taking a hobby both approach, i think i like hobby both, but im heavily skeptical of commercial ai applications if people wanted to push for regulations. Just as we've seen side or not. I don't know if consumers, gamers or artists will benefit if say, true full ai art games come, and all your fun and memorable villains from games become gpt characters. You know small things we take for granted as the 30%? Like long term character secret motivations. Say for how a Itachi was built as a villain, but proven to be a hero all along? Welp if it's anything like Wish, say hello to characters forgetting they existed every 30 seconds, walking out of scenes! And mass layoffs. Side or not. IF both sides worked together on team labor for team best project, we might be able to pass regulations and get better games united than constantly divided. Just like how a 40% can win against a 60% vote split in half to 30% + 30% Tl;dr: Ai could use sane regulation perhaps on commercial use, to go after the best of both worlds! Palworld's ai accusations were speculative at best, looks more like ripped models. But although ai can do a lot well, it has holes in the 70% that quickly can become glarring omissions if solely relied upon.

[@piccchan]

I work in the tech and marketing industry. I agreed that most people only care about the end product and not the process. Most of my clients do not care to hear about it. They just want things done. If it doesn’t look good or it’s what they wanted, we won’t get hire again. They mostly don’t care how long it took or the process of the work.

[@samushunter242]

Getting cancelled is like getting jinxed It doesn't really do anything unless you play along

[@Nixkip]

getting criticised online is not cancelling buddy

[@samushunter242]

@@Nixkip well with the way certain people act you wouldn't know

[@emmanuelmurillo5116]

​@samushunter242 yeah like this adult baby asmongold who literally said he's been canceled when all that's happened is people responded and criticized his stupid take.

[@DraggyLordeOfficial]

the thing is, he did not get canceled, if he got canceled, his channel would be deleted.

[@Popsculpture]

A few thoughts on the sculptor example 1:43:20 taking casts of other people's work or even literally taking other people's work and reworking it into other pieces of art is in itself a form of art. ad hoc, composite, kitsch, recontextualization, remixes and kit bashing are all different motifs and styles of art. Jeff Koons for example is a well-known and renowned Neo Pop artist who does just that.

[@FreakazoidRobots]

Kit bashing isn't a great example, since you normally pay people for making the kit, but I agree with your main point.

[@dwarfminerwillie]

@@FreakazoidRobots I'd say that it is because a lot of the time companies like GW don't allow people to use kitbash'd models in their tournaments.

[@categorialimperative4182]

the fact that the examples you cited are on wikipedia doesn't make them art, as much as you'd like to believe it. Especially terms like kitsch, of course, are a separate kind of art, but for some reason the word itself is used exclusively in a negative connotation, in the sense of unoriginal, vulgar, mediocre You can justify it in a much simpler way, palworld is a kind of art, just a shitty one.

[@danielrafferty4108]

@@categorialimperative4182 Considering art is just an expression of human creativity, I think you're unnecessarily putting down the forms of expression he mentioned. I mean hell, Andy Warhol Painted Campbell soup cans, and people called that art. If I were to compare that to anything the OP mentioned I'd put them in the B or C tier of art while I'd put Warhol's soup cans in the E or F tier. Art is in the eye of the beholder, whether it's mentioned in a wiki page or not.

[@philliph8991]

​@@categorialimperative4182nkt according to most ppl

[@Kirisame312]

51:50 bruh, MIT literally had a food truck where the AI Watson would create new dishes daily that humans couldn't even think of. This was like, 5+ years ago. AI has incredible creative capacity when it is let loose, though it can get stuck in loops or habits or other such pitfalls. I still favor the human mind over AI every day of the week, but to say that AI cannot be creative in a culinary setting is just demonstrably wrong.

[@ryanchattertonYT]

People also forget that there will be "verified made by human" tags in the future on all stock sites and games and media where people will get to charge a premium and some people will pay that.

[@ryanchattertonYT]

@Filioquist then you just have to trust the organization that gives the certification. If that becomes indistinguishable as well then ya that’s a weird world. But that would require robots that look, feel, and act like humans. Or holographic projection to the level of Star Trek. I’m thinking of the chef example that got brought up in the video. It would be a WILD world where you couldn’t know that the thing cooking in front of you was a human. Cool idea for a movie though. A world where an AI tried to pass itself off as a human chef to work in the worlds too restaurant or something.

[@xenn4985]

Funnily enough, non fungible tokens would be a good way to tag images with verification 😂 Twitter losers stay losing

[@ryanchattertonYT]

@@xenn4985 I guess. But that assumes that couldn’t also be manipulated by AI somehow. I don’t know enough about it to say one way or the other. Twitter people are indeed gonna Twitter. Makes me a bit sad.

[@xenn4985]

@@rama-rao-y8u quality > quantity

[@mikelxanadu]

Literally, no one will pay that. They’ll pay for the cheaper AI art while still posturing online as if they don’t.

[@djwnegima]

I often disagree with Asmon on many points but his honesty and his way to explain whatever point he makes him so valuable in this era of internet full of people who want you to buy their shits.

[@RogerKlots]

And honestly the older I'm getting the more I'm agreeing with him on things.

[@djwnegima]

@@AmyZonkers i don’t see how communicating clearly has something to do with agreeing on what is communicated.

[@djwnegima]

@@AmyZonkers maybe the idea is just bad

[@rubencarvalho230]

You are not getting cancelled. You are getting boosted!

[@Philip_Taylor]

He speaks too much sense, and constantly, to be cancelled. This guy's people love him because he's a good influence amongst a sea of disgusting sociopaths.

[@EspadaKing777]

It's actually an interesting idea, similar to how the Keurig boycott from the American right wing actually translated into millions of dollars of free advertising for the company, I wonder how much Palworld has actually benefitted from all of this media attention.

[@drawgam2946]

@@Philip_Taylor Oh he has bad takes like every person does but atleast he learns and adapts unlike the twittercrowd that willingfully ignores what does not suit their agenda.

[@lamallen9669]

@@drawgam2946 so true, no people are perfect, we all learn to be better everyday

[@IgnacioLopez-p9t]

@@drawgam2946 Thats why we love him, at least me. He isnt scared to acknowledge he was mistaken and retract or make better arguments, and he also acknowledges that he holds no absolute truth about anything, no one does. Its really sad to say this, but that very basic trait is so lacking in people nowadays.

[@rpgfanatic9719]

1. Pokemon is the most popular media franchise on the planet. 2. Classic style JRPGs are niche. 3. Pal world is the exact opposite while having the same attractive features as Pokemon. 4. Pokemon has long since succeeded in being the best classic jrpg, removing little main gameplay battle content up until gen 8, and allowing you to transfer entire unaltered sets across generations of games, a very special accomplishment. 5. Removing content after a sequel in the industry is common. 6. Pokemon started removing a lot of content all at once at gen 8 because these games mechanically had become way too big. 7. This upset spoiled Pokemon fans, who have never had a character or ability dropped in their game series in their lives and the popularity of Pokemon has also reached this "infamy" to go players and ex gen 1 and 2 Pokémon fans who obviously have never noticed this phenomenon either because they don't game enough to even notice, and are riding a hate train. 8. This has encouraged spreading lies such as Pokemon has been dead a lot longer like 10-20 years and any accomplishments GF ever had in being a content rich jrpg are ignored, also bashing on Pokemon being repetitive when repetitive formulas are common in sequels and even are encouraged such as resident evil being encouraged to go back to its roots. 9. Switch Pokemon aside lgpe has performance and aesthetic problems because it is on a switch and Nintendo and TPC also gives the devs bad development time. 9. After all of this illogical spite, Pokémon is now a target of extreme humiliation and ex Pokemon fans will look to any non-jrpg Pokemon game because that's what a lot of ex Pokemon fans wanted in Pokemon, and it remaining jrpg caused the fall off in the first place. 10. It doesn't even matter that the company that made pal world has scammed people before previously. The hate of Pokemon has ascended. 11. It doesn't even matter that pal world is literally a lazier put together game. The hate for Pokemon has ascended. 12. In a void, Pal world is nothing without Pokemon because the hate for Pokemon has ascended. 13. Pal world is funded by Pokemon's spite.

[@SpencerCJ]

Man get criticised "Waaa waa 😢 they are trying to cancel me"

[@danielpintar4017]

He made you click on the video giving him views and revenue. Well done on getting played.

[@SlotterOtter]

Another shining example that being "canceled" literally means fucking nothing.

[@spaceman7019]

exactly man, cancel culture doesn't exist.

[@gamemeister2905]

I've been saying this for years but nobody likes to listen. Getting cancelled on Twitter is basically "Oh no! Anyway."

[@rescyn1190]

Only if you have eff you money. Normal people lose their careers and lives as they go through years of hell in the courts (assuming they can even afford to fight).

[@SlotterOtter]

@@rescyn1190 that's called the horror of at-will employment and it has nothing to do with "cancel culture"

[@Sentinel82]

​@@SlotterOtter And yet CC would be the reason it is enacted.

[@SomeDumbSpider]

The basic issue is that people can't differentiate between "I think this is how things are" with "This is how I think things should be". They aren't bothering trying to understand what is being said. What many twitter artists fail to understandis that their whining and demonizing of people and concepts isn't helping them. They need to convince people through empathy, understanding and by making good content. That's it. I do think Asmon could've worded it better though to avoid that misunderstanding too, probably would have been enough if he clarified that "I'm not saying it's fair to you, I'm saying this is how the world works and if you truly want to change things, you need to approach things from that angle"

[@vergillives9890]

The more they complain about it easier AI will be put in AI doesn't unionize AI is faster never takes breaks and is always ready to work humans artist just have to be faster, cheaper, and already have projects done

[@JotaroKujo-fr7uo]

I mean yeh but mid argument their will always be lazy people that just use ai to "get it done"@@vergillives9890

[@pizzaonapineapple9652]

@@vergillives9890 artist should not get paid imo, they bring 0 value to society and they just wanna get money by being lazy. we should justuse ai to replace art, music, design, animation, etc.

[@pizzaonapineapple9652]

@@vergillives9890 true, and i hope everything will get replaed by ai, art, design, music, everything should just be 100% replaced by ai and we should just consume, what a great future

[@MutantPuke]

This is the most sane take on it imo.

[@trickstabber8117]

Not watching 2 hours of a manchild explaining himself. Somebody give me the short version.

[@PintheElfKingdom]

9:32 this sentence sums it up pretty good

[@trickstabber8117]

@@PintheElfKingdom Thanks

[@MadiTheGJ]

The best thing about all this, is that the post has 20 million views, but only like 30-40k likes.

[@trueeast]

On god no cap foreal foreal

[@flamart9703]

Yeah, exactly. Usually when most of the visitors approve the content, the likes are about 10% of all views.

[@FabricioDeMarchi]

I would say that the "way you say something" is always important. One might not care but it does changes how ideas are perceived and interacted with. But, without a face to face conversation, or a long conversation format I see no way people can get a more human debate on things. Video responses to one another always lead to further agression while sitting down and debate in front of each other would probably lead to a more civil conversation, if people do it in good faith and not just for clicks (kinda rare nowadays). For example, when you are talking with someone you care, how you say things will allow you to say really hurtfull things without escalating to violence, it is just a reality of human nature. Have a nice day.

[@sy1-0]

I agree with ya, I started calling out another streamer on their bullshit about this subject when I saw they retweeted this. Like, just a normal discussion to me which I thought was very chill. But then when they failed to come up with a decent argument they just blocked me lmao

[@Tsukino1011]

Basic twitter phonies, they don’t have real arguments

[@otapic]

No one's cancelling you, it's called having a disagreement. Just because a lot of ppl disagree with you doesn't mean you're being cancelled

[@brianquint6126]

Just an honest farmer doing an honest day's work. That's all I see here.

[@optimumplatinum2640]

i mean i guess? but 2 hours is crazy

[@mdk064hernandez9]

Every message can be insanely effective depending on how it's communicated, even if the message is horrifying. Speaking your mind is always an honest decision but getting better at delivering your opinions is always gonna turn out for the best

[@andrespolanco3182]

I get what you are saying, I believe this is mostly a case where both parties are right but are also mixing up concepts and talking about different things. Yes, an artist opinion doesn't determine the value of their art, the value is determined by the consumer, this is 100% correct. The problem is implying that an artist's opinion on HOW THEIR ART GETS USED doesn't matter. Right now, AI Image Generation operates on a legal vacuum, it's the wild west, the law hasn't caught up to the technology, so corporations are exploiting this fact to do whatever they want. There is a fundamental difference between an artist getting inspired or learning from other artists, and a machine collecting all art out there to replicate what artists do and displace artists from the market using their own products without consent. This breaks the fair use agreement we human artists use to learn, remember copyright laws were created to protect humans labor and humans' intellectual property. The same thing can happen with music, but you have probably noticed AI Music generation hasn't been exploited the same way, and the only reason is because music is protected by other huge corporations that have hitman lawyers ready to sue you to oblivion if you mess with them. You as a content creator are probably very aware of this. You don't mess with the music industry. But we independent artist don't have anyone watching out for us, and AI Companies are fully aware of that, they know they can totally abuse us and get away with it, so they do it. This is the ethical problem with AI Image Generation and why we get so upset. I could elaborate further, but don't want to extend myself to much on a KZbin comment.

[@Greym0nk]

The Pew Research Center survey also finds that health concerns are a key reason people purchase organic foods. Among those who bought organic foods in the past month, 76% say a reason was to get healthier foods. Fewer say that either convenience (22%) or environmental concerns (33%) were reasons for their purchases of organic foods.

[@TheLi0nc0urt]

The AI claims got disproved a couple days ago. Artists made the Pals. The game is fun but unless the company supports it long-term it'll just be a blip on the timeline of creature capture games.

[@Fractured676]

Out of curiosity, how was it proved? I haven't been paying attention. But if it's just a dev that says "It wasn't AI made", that certainly isn't proof.

[@CommanderFlyboy]

@@Fractured676 Note the development timeline, and trailers. AI wasn't in the picture moving forward with the development. This is at least my understanding.

[@lunarbl4de476]

@@Fractured676I mean there isn’t really a way to definitively prove it, but there is also no actual proof that they did use AI and the person who started the claims of them stealing Pokémon models 1:1 also admitted to tampering with the models so that it fit because he didn’t like that palworld was ‘promoting animal abuse’ or something like that. Its very likely that they took heavy inspiration from dragon quest (the same place Pokémon copied half of their original designs) as well as Pokémon themselves but there is nothing to indicate the use of AI at all.

[@Dasaltwarrior]

@@CommanderFlyboy Worth noting that though Palworld itself does not use AI, the company did put out a game that does utilize it Now the ripped models on the other hand, thats another can of worms

[@mr.ilikespammobileedition592]

This has nothing to do with palworld it's about what he said about ai