i got laid off... (as a software engineer) | Full Layoff Story

[@KevinInPhoenix]

I spent a 45 year career in IT, worked for 8 different companies, went through many reorganizations, and faced two layoffs. Stay strong, believe in yourself, and take some time to "smell the roses" along the way. IT has never been an easy road but there are many personal and financial rewards along the way. Save 10-15% of your income for your future.

[@ginothedev]

That's a really impressive career, thank you for the comment, advice and perspective. I really appreciate it!

[@WojciechowskaAnna]

its only possible in USA. in Europe IT are not that well paid - especially when people try to buy apartments...

[@ThePolaroid669]

@@WojciechowskaAnna USA paid worse!!!

[@WisdomInExperience]

U must be at retirement age, lucky u surfed thru good times. now its the ai, taking away jobs.

[@DogDongDotCom]

Nah this generation is cooked. Our company replaced 30 engineers and replaced them with AI, and the production is better overall. Cost is down, profits up.

[@MongoLolz]

23+ years as a software engineer. It had it's good times, but pretty much everything after the 15th year was miserable. I've since walked away from the field, although I still enjoy watching videos about it and keeping up with latest frameworks for personal projects. I own two businesses now; landscaping and dog grooming. I wish I had done it years ago. Money is good, set my own schedule, and never have to set foot into another office again.

[@ginothedev]

That’s an impressive career, thank you for sharing! I’m glad that you’ve found a path outside of engineering, and nice to know that there are other options as well

[@retroloungemusic]

I don't recommend software engineering as a career to ambitious young people who ask my advice. It really does have its ups and downs. With the Agile process that many companies implement, it's like working in a factory. It's no longer a "professional" position.

[@censoredeveryday3320]

Same. 20+ years and doing something else now. Offices are not the place I want to spend my days at this point.

[@StrayCatInTheStreets]

I'm coming on to year 17 in the industry. I am really struggling to see this as a long term career

[@edmihovsky4404]

@censoredeveryday3320what do you do now?

[@danacarmen2699]

Being laid off is very traumatic, people don't understand that. Also be prepared to get through a few layoffs during your life.

[@ginothedev]

Yeah it definitely was, but at least now I have my guard up if/when it does happen again

[@davideyres955]

It’s not the layoff that is the problem it’s the lack of income. Remember you’ll have a ton of stress at work and now it’s not your problem. Your job is now to get another one.

[@sitrakaforler8696]

Yeah....

[@ColdPotato]

Been through two, barely dodged the axe recently. Yeah, it can suck.

[@lewisburton1852]

Imagen all of these laid off super talented devs just getting together to build something great! Even, if they had to get mundane work outside of tech while building their side projects. Big corps exist because of you guys YOU guys are the talent.

[@ginothedev]

I feel like some devs are starting to do that. I'm personally building my own software now, but it would be cool to link up with some other devs in the future. Sometimes more cooks in the kitchen makes things harder though hahaha

[@lewisburton1852]

@@ginothedev yeah, wouldn’t even have to be too many just get together by skillset. Manager- business oriented Full stack dev UI/UX I have so many ideas lol just saying… I’m a small business owner have frontend dev skills as well.

[@TechnoMageCreator]

I have a project I started couple years ago with real life applications. I can't afford to hire but I am looking for a partner that has software development experience and has time, skill and will to invest in something. It's a project in the automatic carwash industry for technical and other services. If you're interested let me know and we can get in contact.

[@FainTMako]

@@ginothedev Whats your skillset?

[@Committed2good]

Absolutely 💯

[@RkForeverSlayer]

I’ve been ignoring this video on my feed because I knew I would get triggered. I felt every word of this video.

[@ginothedev]

Yeahhhh definitely a triggering subject. I appreciate you watching it though and being able to relate.

[@tecsmith_info]

Been going through this myself, but I'm now developing my own software and looking to start a new business. These companies don't deserve us!

[@ginothedev]

I’m sorry you had to go through that too, it sounds like we have a similar mindset though, best of luck to you!

[@tecsmith_info]

@@ginothedev Cheers, and likewise! If there is anything you'd like to collaborate on, let me know!

[@mujkocka]

Had this myself. I think it’s not worth getting bitter about it. But it’s certainly a life changing moment. Looks like you make something positive out of it. And more me too. I had chances to see the world after the first layoff

[@rockpadstudios]

I was terminated in the early 2000's and I was out of work for almost 8 months. It was right after a divorce which drained my savings. I was months away from living in my car. It was scary and I understand how it feels. That was the best thing that happened because I started getting serious about saving. Make each day, 8 hours of it looking for another job, practicing interview questions, and watching job related video's.

[@alphaomega1351]

None of that was useful in any way. You simply got lucky just like everyone else who lands a decent job. 😳

[@rockpadstudios]

@@alphaomega1351 Right so practicing writing code on a white board every morning, studying job related video's, writing code to keep myself sharp, practicing interview question responses didn't land me a job only luck did. Got it. We have jobs because we were lucky not because we have skills the world needs to make money. I didn't realize that. I've been working way to hard to keep my skills relevant. I just landed the perfect job (much higher pay) and I'm 63 years old. But that was all luck. Got it.

[@broadestsmiler]

@@alphaomega1351 The commenter gave actionable advice for getting another job (apply constantly, practice interview questions, job-related media consumption) and ensuring you do not run out of cash in the meantime (get serious about saving)! The knowledge is there, you just have to look for it.

[@ginothedev]

Thanks for sharing that mate I really appreciate it. Keeping our skills sharp is really all we can do, and if you have to make a full-time job out of that, it ends up being worth it. Also congrats on landing that perfect job, seems like it was well-deserved!

[@sheikhabdullah6574]

Where did you watch videos in the early 2000s, may I ask? KZbin didn't come until 2005 and started getting a little popular around 2007 and 2008.

[@randyriley7560]

Thanks for sharing your story. Some good reminders there, especially regarding self worth. I am applying and getting turned down for Junior roles, despite having over 2 years professional full-stack experience. The emails contain wording such as "We encourage you to apply again, once you gain the necessary skills!". If that doesn't make you want to reevaluate your life, I don't know what will. Glad you found something quickly! The constant grind trying to get back in before you have to start from square 1 financially can really start to wear you down.

[@ginothedev]

Thanks a bunch for watching. I'm sorry that the search is tough for you too. Those rejection emails are cold, but I actually hate getting ghosted by companies even more. Wishing you all the best mate!

[@randyriley7560]

@@ginothedev Thanks man! Keeping my head up! I promised myself I'd never get caught off guard like this again. No way.

[@draugno7]

Me too. I chose Android unfortunately so I have to start over with Java because Android is needed less and less at least in my country

[@MilMike]

at my company about 50 out of 300 people were laid off in 2024. Even people that were middle in a critical project and only them knew the project by core.. they even didn't have the time to say good bye (instant blocked accounts). I recommend connecting with important people outside of the job. At least to say a good bye or ask them about something important. Because so many coworkers were laid off, and I basically needed to do their job now, I also started to apply for a new job. After 5 months I finally got an offer.

[@ginothedev]

Yeah I agree about connecting with folks from previous jobs. I have a lot of folks on Linkedin who were really supportive after layoffs, willing to talk, offer referrals etc. Thanks a bunch for watching, and congrats on landing an offer!

[@georgebratu]

I don't know what is worse: to be laid off or to be among the spared ones that now needs to do that same amount of work divided to fewer people. I think that employers are taking advantage of the employees.

[@devsquaredTV]

I got laid off in mid august. it really blows. Then i found your devlog series and was really inspired to make my own thing and vlog about it.

[@ginothedev]

I'm sorry to hear that you also went through layoffs mate. I'm really looking forward to watching your videos!

[@devsquaredTV]

@ginothedev thanks! I got my buddy coming over later to show me a few things related to video editing. Just a few more pieces to the puzzle!

[@denissartisskis1625]

got laid off today (Nov 15). have 20+ years of experience. looks scary out there as i see so many talented devs here on your channel. It reminds me 2009 when i also was laid off and was without a job 14 month. Seems to me i might have similar experience this time. Problem is that i am 50 now and i know that I might be out of luck because of my age as well.

[@ginothedev]

I'm really sorry to hear about this. It's definitely a scary situation at first, and I am wishing you the best that it doesn't take 14 months this time around. Your experience is definitely still a great asset to have, don't underestimate that!

[@Gooner13]

After watching your videos it seems like any company would be really lucky to have you on their team. Way to get through it, Gino!

[@grimm_gen]

I got laid off 2 weeks ago, it's hard man!

[@ginothedev]

I’m sorry to hear that mate, hang in there it really is tough. Getting to the other side is definitely possible though! Wishing you the best

[@DistractedDaisy]

Dude there is always something better! I was so happy after my last layoff! Now I can’t wait for the next one!

[@ginothedev]

hahaha I love that attitude!

[@Mw-od6sd]

Wow, brutal, brutal, brutal. Your words are my experience, except mine was even worse. I was a Software Engineer intern and was told over ten times, "You are being hired." Finally, on the last day of the internship, they told me we are not hiring you. Maybe I messed up a bit here and there, but I was given no slack. I think they couldn't afford to bring me on so they used me for three months and lied to me so i would stay.. I have never forgotten and plan to take revenge one day. I have many avenues for it. I hope G-d punishes them one day with a sharp blow. Everyone talks about layoffs. To me, the word has more meaning, and it is a very bitter pill today.

[@daedrik3577]

Great stuff man. I am a Ph.D. student studying team processes in brownfield software development. I think reflection and metacognition are probably the best skills to have as a software engineer to help navigate challenges.

[@ginothedev]

Absolutely agree those are vital skills

[@Otakonstar]

Crazy the day you posted this I was laid off from my help desk job. I did exactly what you did and adding playing video games to help escape the job applying process and the fact I was laid off. I have a log of all the places I applied. I couldn't kind up with the rejection notices due to not getting them. I just started at my new job making way more and a better company. If I get laid off again I will for sure work out. I gained so much weight in the short 3 months from just sitting in from my computer applying for job.

[@ginothedev]

Thanks for the comment mate and sharing your experience. I’m really glad you were able to find a new opportunity, and definitely hope you don’t have to go through it again

[@gerhardgubler]

Finally a good video after seeing a felt 100 BS-ing videos of why I left Google etc. I was not laid off but took some time off after my last contract concluded. But find it really hard to get back in to the game now. Experiencing much of what you're telling and I have over 20 years experience in IT. The last 10 years I was highly specialized in enterprise messaging but now the demand has just disappeared. Looking for more generalized jobs means more competition when applying for a job. Specializing again takes time, especially to build up a reputation in the specific field. So where to go from here is tricky.

[@ginothedev]

Thanks a bunch for the comment I really appreciate it, and thank you for sharing your situation. That definitely sounds difficult as well, but that's a really impressive career to this point, and I'm pretty surprised that demand has dried up. Wishing you the best of luck though in whatever is next, you got this!

[@tobyvestal]

It’s nice to see that it’s not just me who’s frustrated with how swe interviews are conducted, and (I mean this in the nicest way possible) that I’m not the only one having issues with the job search.

[@ginothedev]

Yeah I definitely felt alone and frustrated after my layoff, it’s nice to know I am not the only one. Best of luck to you mate!

[@philp9545]

Thx for sharing your ordeal and advice. They’re right on. Our startup CEO was suppose to update us on our next round of funding but told us it fell thur and we’re all laid off and out of funds. No package, no severance, nada. Same can happen at large companies too. The best advice is to keep a balanced schedule and exercise to maintain your health. The mental part is more challenging with the worries and uncertainties. Take a break or vacation if it’s affordable because it can help open your exposure to other opportunities. The best book I read that was insightful was “Who moved my cheese?”

[@ginothedev]

Thank so much for watching! I'm really sorry to hear about your recent experience, this happened to a friend of mine in 2023, and I could tell how difficult it was. Wishing you all the best, and I really appreciate your perspective. I'll have to check out that book!

[@if_dots]

ah, this was great to watch :) I've left companies without a new job in mind a few times. usually I've just immediately attempted to get a job, but currently I'm actually working on myself and giving myself some time before I go back into the job market and it's been really ... restorative and helpful. there's a lot of stuff that, over 10+ years in engineering, I just was ignoring, and it's really useful to be able to take a few months and figure that stuff out - personally and also for work I think it'll be really, really nice, when I go back to working.

[@ginothedev]

I think that’s a great idea! I jumped back in ASAP after layoffs and it was definitely not great for my mental. Next time I go for a new job I’d like to do it more like you’re doing

[@ianbrown2847]

I got laid off on exactly the same day you did... Crazy. I am still unemployed. I can relate to the mental state you went through and that feeling of self worth. The job hunting and interview process is insane.

[@ginothedev]

That’s a crazy coincidence, not the good kind though. I’m sorry you’re still going through it mate I can only imagine how tough it is. Wishing you nothing but the best, you got this!

[@mujkocka]

Been through this during 2002, many of my colleagues almost got laid off at the same time. Some of them decided to change careers, they are happier people now. I move to different countries and I haven’t regretted the move. Although it seems hard now. You will come through eventually. Time to rethink your life goal as well

[@frankb1]

Thank you for sharing your experience. Lots to think about.

[@ginothedev]

My pleasure, thank you for watching!

[@Mr725jun]

Honestly crazy, I went through something very similar the past four months. Thank you for sharing your story and experiences. This really connected w me.

[@ginothedev]

My pleasure, thank you a ton for watching. I'm sorry you had to go through that as well, but it's really nice knowing I'm not alone in this boat.

[@JJ-rp2df]

Wishing everyone the best. I remember when tech seemed a glamorous career to riches.

[@ginothedev]

Thanks for the comment :)

[@cazu2479]

Yeah the tech industry is brutal now and I don’t see it getting better anytime soon

[@ginothedev]

Yeah it’s tough out there no doubt

[@sitrakaforler8696]

Courage dude 💪💪 Mentally it is hard but dam.you managed well

[@ginothedev]

Thanks a bunch mate!

[@dooley-ch]

That is the problem when you live in a country where people live to work! I have been laid off a couple of times in Europe and the experience is completely different. First you have a 3 to 6 months notice period, which is usually gardening leave (paid leave) and then there is about 18 months of unemployment benefits: 75% - 80% of last salary. So you take a couple of months of to travel and relax before searching for a job.

[@ginothedev]

The difference between work cultures is astounding, thank you for sharing your experience.

[@EverydayNormalGeek]

In Europe it's very country specific, I work as a SWE in the Baltic region, severance packages are usually 3-6 months depending on your seniority in the company and kids age, but unemployment benefits are limited to 9 months with very low cap. In my case, the paid benefit is around 35% of my salary.

[@jMichaels878]

Got laid off as well a month ago now. It sucks- endless applications and so far ghosted by every single one. Haven't gotten even a single response at all. I have 3 years YoE. I thought it would be easier this time around, since last time I was out of school and had no hands-on experience, but it's been much worse somehow.

[@QmdVJ4KrCjUk888]

I feel you bro. I have 8 YOE and just feel like it is much difficult to get a job these days than when i was like 2-3 YOE. The market has changed completely. What i can say is don't put all your eggs in one basket. Good luck!

[@ginothedev]

I'm really sorry to hear about your layoff mate, thank you for sharing. Yeah this is the third time that I've had to go through applying (one out of school, one because i wanted something new, and one from layoffs). And each time the job market has been different. At some point I really do believe it does become a numbers game, I am wishing you the best you got this!

[@slkchao]

Thanks for sharing your experience and happy for your outcome 🙏

[@ginothedev]

Thanks a bunch, and I appreciate the comment :)

[@voip4life]

Thanks for sharing brother!

[@ginothedev]

Thank you for watching!

[@dfffism]

I am in IT and I was laid off in 2003, 2006, 2009, 2015 and 2 times in 2022. Took the fall off in 2022 and started fresh in January 2023 only to have that contract end in September when a new manager wanted to drop contractors. Took that fall off and started a new gig in 2024, lasted 4 months - no real work, just meetings, so I saw the writing on the wall and made a jump to a new company in May - work is good so far - I am in EDI now and not real development. Only one month and I will have the first full calendar year worked since 2021. IT is getting rough. I am glad I am in EDI now and not real development. Got certified in a particular tool, so it is easier to get noticed now in a sea of C#, Java, or whatever generic stuff everyone has. You have to have a real niche, but I think if I get laid off again I am starting a hot dog stand. lol

[@annat6249]

That is a lot of laid off. The problem maybe not the IT but the you problem? You even got laid off on the hot IT market years.

[@dfffism]

I didn't get fired. I got laid off.

[@censoredeveryday3320]

Unfortunately, I believe the days of plentiful tech jobs are gone, especially in the US and other nations with high value currencies. With telecommuting tech and fast internet, most tasks can be farmed out to low cost workers in Mexico, India, etc. This is not just for IT, but for anything that can be performed on a computer. I pivoted to another career that requires my physical presence after working in tech for 20+ years. Best of luck to you and think about you really want to do going forward.

[@ginothedev]

Thank you for the comment, I definitely think things are shifting, and I am curious how they will look 5-10 years from now.

[@micahkwaka4503]

being laid off is horrible, it made me question if I am a good web/software engineer, and on top of that the market is hell and getting so many No's had done a number on me mentally to the point where I do think I'm imposter, heck I even learned Python while I'm still jobless and I can't find a job, during these times Im angry at myself at the company I'm depressed I just want to get a job, but thank you for sharing this it's nice to know someone who has gone through the same thing as me

[@ginothedev]

I think the mental strain is the worst part, yet it's what gets talked about the least. I am really sorry you're going through this as well, it sounds like you have the drive to persevere though which is a great trait. Wishing you the best of luck with your journey.

[@yvonnewalker3910]

You did the opposite of what was done by me. These people are just too inconsiderate. I was called in the office with two HR employees and told it was my last day. Not only that, one of them walked me to my desk to gather up my belongs. She wanted to call a cab, but no I just wanted to catch the bus. Once off the elevator the receptionist was called and given the information. She was a busy body and within 5 minutes everyone in the company would know. It would no longer be a secret. On the bus, everyone I knew was phone during that 30 minute trip. Once home, the wall was starred at. Then unemployment was filed. I stayed on unemployment for two (2) years and took classes. My advice to anyone is always have a second income - in the event it happens again. Lord bless

[@ginothedev]

Thank you for sharing your experience, and I am sorry to hear that happened to you. Thank you for the advice as well, I 100% agree with it!

[@JOHNSMITH-ve3rq]

Somehow super depressing. Got to be a better way. Huge waste of human capital here.

[@ginothedev]

Got to be a better way for sure

[@jackieboy1593]

The better way is to be over employed and have multiple remote jobs. You are super unlikely to get laid off from all your jobs at the same time, and you can have multiple income streams.

[@glutenfree7057]

@@jackieboy1593 You shouldn’t have to be over employed to be in a decent position though…and in my opinion, that just steals jobs away from others. I think there needs to be a change in labor laws so that it isn’t as easy for companies to lay off employees at least without a specific time period so that employees can search for more work, and companies should not overly outsource their work to cheaper employees in other countries

[@PokéArk1000]

Just got laid off today. First official day off is the 13th of November. If I had iOS experience probably wouldn't of been let go. But should be fine since Java is still huge.

[@ginothedev]

I’m really sorry to hear that, I’m glad they gave you some notice but that’s very short. Java is definitely still huge, wishing you the best of luck finding your next gig

[@jalalhaider83]

Being laid off is always painful for any professional on any level, the worst part is when they think you are over qualified that sucks, and they put you in a position where you question your ability, and thats where all the negative thoughts comes and you believe as if its your fault, just all you can do think positive and brace up

[@ginothedev]

Yeah the mental toll is very tough, and is not talked about enough.

[@mujkocka]

Happened to me once for 1 year. I had to move a different country to get a job. Don’t be afraid to move. Unfortunately IT jobs sometimes are located elsewhere where and one have to look at tech trend. Same goes for for any business and jobs

[@ginothedev]

Thanks for the comment mate! Thankfully I've picked up another remote job, so I won't have to move :)

[@mujkocka]

@@ginothedev good for you. what i have learnt is look globally then you narrow it down to see if you can find the location you want. our kind of jobs unfortunately can be quite specialized. especially at a later end of your career

[@reviewsbygen5591]

And now we hear on literally all news channels that holiday spending is way up, we are all buying gifts for everyone, traveling, cruising, etc…. like who is doing this?! Everyone I know who is unemployed and employed is struggling…

[@rodhoek1046]

O man. A harsh experience. Glad you are well

[@ginothedev]

Thank you, I appreciate it!

[@retroloungemusic]

Been there, more than once. If you are out there competing and making money in software, you are most likely going to be out of a job at times. I have a very stable job at a stable company right now and I absolutely could get laid off. I recently lost my manager and several members of my team.

[@ginothedev]

Yeah that's how I feel as well, I won't be taken by surprise again that's for sure.

[@19Draco96]

If Shia LaBeouf got layed off what chances do we have 😭

[@ginothedev]

💀💀

[@ColdPotato]

"It's not performance based..." Yup, heard that one before when hired back at the company that laid me off originally.

[@ginothedev]

Yeah it doesn’t help too much hearing that :/

[@bakslashr]

As a software developer, I have been laid-off may times (once after a week of being hired), it comes with the territory, but historically we have been in high demand, so it was never really an issue, in fact it can be good.

[@ginothedev]

Yep definitely tried to take something positive from the experience. Especially knowing there’s a good chance it could happen again

[@mujkocka]

Have a buffer of money. You will have time and choices. That’s what I learnt from my laidoff

[@ginothedev]

Great point

[@retroloungemusic]

lol. This is MANDATORY. I always have enough cash on hand to not work for at least a year.

[@sydguitar99]

It's kind of annoying how just preparing for the interviews takes so much of your time that you don't have the energy to work on projects or do any self care, and then you have to prep for technical interviews

[@ginothedev]

Yeah that was the most frustrating part. Every ounce of my energy went to looking/preparing for jobs.

[@woltzwurld6760]

The IT field is brutal : in 25 years I was laid off twice and jumped twice before I would have been. It’s a brutal business, don’t think you did something to deserve it, their literally look through a spreadsheet of titles/salaries. That’s it.

[@ginothedev]

Brutal is a good word for it, but definitely a lot of opportunities if you can stick through it. I appreciate the kind words and you sharing your experiences

[@retroloungemusic]

@@ginothedev Good money, clean work, and many new opportunities. I shifted to being a contractor and it worked better for me. I would bill at a high rate and let them get rid of me when the projects dried ups. I enjoyed the downtime between contracts. It's not as bad as people think, but it has to work for you.

[@bcmspeed6917]

Thank you for the tip about staging application times through out the work day

[@ginothedev]

Of course! I definitely think it made a difference being one of the first applying to newly posted roles.

[@theointechs]

Nice bounceback 🦾

[@ginothedev]

Thanks dawg 😤

[@paolaanimator]

It looks like nowadays the best course of action is to work different jobs, to keep developing new skills, start some sort of business or side gig, and keep looking. I’ve noticed it’s more easier to get part time jobs but very difficult to land a full time job with benefits.

[@ginothedev]

That's more or less what I'm trying to do!

[@paolaanimator]

@@ginothedev Sending you all the best wishes! You will make it. I'm already doing most of what I said in the comment, and fingers crossed it will work out.

[@maxcady360]

I was let go at the last day of September. When you get a zoom invite that seems odd and the human resources person is there on the call too, you know it's not gonna be good. Actually had a 15k run to cool my head off. 😅 They were at least kind enough to give me two extra months of pay. Hope I can find work by christmas. Last time it took me 9 months to find a job, here's hoping it won't take as long.

[@ginothedev]

Hey mate thanks a bunch for sharing, that zoom invite just fills me with dread. I'm glad you were given some severance, and wishing you the best in your search, you got this!

[@cazorla82]

I hope you land your next job soon

[@dfffism]

That Friday meeting request with an HR person you never heard of and your boss... I had one where the meeting was in 15 minutes, and one where the meeting was already in progress... I was like, why am I getting a meeting request if it started 10 minutes ago, and when you see the attendees, you know what is coming.

[@jbhorner]

A good video with very salient advice. You look to be rather young, so it is likely that you will be laid off again at some point during your career. This is not a reflection on you. It is a reflection of how many (not all) companies view their people as resources--expendable when there is a desire to meet a financial goal. There was a time when lifetime employment was actually a realistic expectation in many companies. With that said, the best course is to continually monitor the job market for one's desired path, and keep the résumé updated. If the unfortunate happens, it will greatly simplify the search. Also, keeping one's skills updated to reflect the fast-changing environment is a way to keep an existing role, but also make one more marketable. And, network, network, network.

[@ginothedev]

Thanks for the comment! I would not be surprised if I was laid off again my career, and in fact I am expecting it. This experience has definitely opened my eyes to a lot of what you are describing

[@dvojkan]

The same situation was in my company. First mail saying that would be another mail for "lucky ones" who are going to be made redundant. And 21 minutes after the first mail I've got a second mail as well. Very bad experience.

[@ginothedev]

Yeah I don't know why they do it that way, just prolonging the anxiety, seems pretty messed up to me.

[@allenbrokeit]

Yeah, I got hit on November 1. As luck would have it, I spent many years as a contractor prior to getting my last job and developed a habit of living below my means and saving money. I'll be real, I just took the entire month of November off. I spent time with my family, enjoyed the holidays, and played a bunch of Baldur's Gate 3. It's been nice to relax, sleep in, and do things that interest me.

[@ginothedev]

Sorry to hear that mate, I’m wishing you all the best. I’m glad you took those precautions and have been able to make the best of it so far

[@ginothedev]

I gotta get on BG3

[@allenbrokeit]

@@ginothedev It's a damn good game. I strongly recommend it.

[@nethbt]

Never too late to flip burgers bruh

[@ginothedev]

Factsssssss

[@dutchbachelor]

What you need to remember: layoffs are never about you personally. It's hard to take, but it is - usually - to make the investors and upper management more money basically. And if you choose to be an employee, that is a risk. Many people have a blind spot for that. We usually choose the "employee" side, because we want that steady income, but steady does not mean guaranteed or safe. But the worst thing you can do is internalize being laid off. Has nothing to do with you at all. They pick what they consider the best of the best to keep and while that may be a reality check for many, it probably will not be you. It may even be unfair: Bob might be kept on, because he's chummy with some big shots while he does not know what he's doing. That's life and not your problem anymore. And yes, save enough so that you can live through unemployment for 6-12 months.

[@dutchbachelor]

Around the two minute mark you say it right there: the earning calls were nothing special. That is what ired the investors. They always demand at least double-digit growth which in today's world and economy is quite hard to do.

[@ginothedev]

Hey thanks for the comment mate I really appreciate your perspective. Ultimately very much out of my hands and I had to come to terms with that and detach myself from the decision.

[@tsuisunyu]

i got laid off as a scrum master pmp with 5 years experince making $120k. been unemployed 9 months living in shelter nyc now. no luck

[@ar04097]

Got lay off notice yday, last day is dec 31st, probably starting new year unemployed. I knew it was coming, but somehow, after working for 12 years I feel exhausted. Hopefilly this will bring some sense in me about developing new income streams

[@ginothedev]

I’m really sorry to hear that mate, that’s brutal especially this time of year. That was definitely a motivation for me as well, wishing you all the best

[@mmmmmmmmmm710]

I think most layoffs in the U.S is due to the fact that software dev positions can be outsourced by these companies to other cheaper countries such as India or Asia for half of what U.S devs make. It's always about the bottomline for the greedy bastards. 😢

[@ginothedev]

This was very relevant at my previous company.

[@mmmmmmmmmm710]

@@ginothedev What's your gameplan now for your career? Is the job market for devs in the U.S on a decline due to say Ai and outsourcing to cheap countries?

[@ginothedev]

It's definitely down compared to 2020-2022, which is when I had previously applied, but still was able to find a job this time around too. My gameplan is to keep chugging along, trying to get to senior in the next year or so, and will figure things out from there.

[@carlosortiz8789]

As someone who has worked in one of those outsourcing companies that you mention I can tell you that the situation sucks for everyone in different ways. Many of these companies that want to save costs hire under "contractor" mode and offer low or no benefits and layoffs in these companies are even worse because they usually don't give any severance package, plus people are well aware that they have been underpaid compared to people in other countries doing the same job

[@retroloungemusic]

lol, that is almost ALWAYS part of it. Outsourcing, plus H1Bs being brought in here to reduce American's salaries and their standard of living.

[@chrishyde952]

I took that break that you didnt, but it was poisoned by the dread of being unemployed

[@ginothedev]

I think that’s why I was scared to take a break this time

[@carlosortiz8789]

I think it depends on our context, personality and current mental status. To me the first question is "will I really enjoy taking a break immediately? Will I be able to start applying immediately?". In my case my mind doesn't let me enjoy other things if I feel that there's something else pending and I need to set times for each activity.

[@TheBestNameEverMade]

Very close to my experiances. So often you find out before they tell you. I actually interviewed on the day they laid me off.

[@ginothedev]

It's definitely good to not be completely taken by surprise, still sucks, but makes it a bit more manageable since you can prepare.

[@patrickchan2503]

relatable, thanks for sharing. I didn't keep a note of my applications as I couldn't be bothered, and it was depressing, yes. Also, yes one only needs 1 job offer 🙂relieved! You worked very hard in your employment break. I actually ended up taking an unplanned gap year which was a mix of studies and travel. If I hadn't got a job by the end of the year, I honestly might have given up. Also summer holiday is a slow period so I was waiting for replies. Thankfully, I had that 1 offer. My question is how did you spend the time between your job offer and start date? All the best.

[@ginothedev]

I'm glad your strategy worked out, I think a nice balance of studies and travel sounds like a good way to stay refreshed and motivated, congrats on the offer! For me, I only had about 1.5 weeks between signing my offer, and my start date, so I kinda just did nothing for that time. Relaxed as much as possible, tried to detach from the stress of the last 3 months, and get in a good head space to start the new job.

[@glorgau]

Wherever you're working remember that you're even with them at the end of each day. Live well below your means with the goal of being financially independent always being pursued, NEVER live paycheck to paycheck. No debt!

[@ginothedev]

Couldn't agree more, thanks for the comment :)

[@JohnnyMcMenamin]

Saving 20% of my income allowed me to survive up to 12 months between jobs. Whether it's 401k or a pure savings account/shoebox. Don't underestimate the power of saving.

[@ginothedev]

Couldn't agree more, great point :)

[@Cat-vs7rc]

The reason they tell people "its not performance based" is because they don't want them to argue or debate.

[@ginothedev]

^

[@retroloungemusic]

It's not always. I was laid off due to a site closing twice. I've seen companies get rid of entire divisions, with many very talented people. I've also seen companies get rid of very productive, talented, and expensive people, during re-orgs.

[@AMGbrakedancer]

So many tech people being laid off. Trying haul truck driving. There’s a shortage of drivers and there’s sign on bonuses. Don’t expect to get a job making the same or more doing IT work. It’s just unlikely for now and it’s not your fault. Hang in there and look into other opportunities.

[@ginothedev]

I actually work a software job in the trucking industry now, definitely a ton of opportunities for drivers right now, and a cool new industry for me to go into!

[@TheFuture36520]

Imagine what if when someone had launched a tech start up like a google app to generate sustainable income for a duration. I'm trying to get into the field of IT.

[@michaelvillanueva240]

im sorry to hear that man keep your head up youll find another job soon

[@ginothedev]

Much appreciated :)

[@duckonthemoon]

It sounds like you found your new position on LinkedIn, is that correct? I've started avoiding LI due to seeing the thousands of other applicants for most jobs I apply to. Instead, I've started focusing on Handshake, Wellfound, and Y-combinator. (although it is likely no better) You also mention in your video that you were trying to be one of the first applicants to new jobs as they are posted. Do you think this matters? btw I am 13 months out from a dev layoff.

[@ginothedev]

First off I'm really sorry to hear about your layoff, these past 13 months must have been very difficult. As for applications, it's hard to say if applying early actually made a difference since I have no data from not applying early. I will say I had good success getting interviews with that method, so I'd say it was definitely worth it.

[@DaltonOleary13]

Was laid off at the beginning of the month. Just mentally exhausting and feel the same way you described. Instantly started applying too, thankfully have landed multiple interviews this week and a couple more 3rd round interviews to boot.

[@ginothedev]

Thanks for sharing mate, glad to hear you’re bouncing back so quickly. Wishing you luck in your upcoming interviews!

[@c004857]

I think that here in the USA, only registered nurses are the only people who are always working no matter how old they are.

[@TheFuture36520]

Damn this hits home hard.......

[@ginothedev]

You're not alone, it's tough, but I think ultimately worth it. I appreciate you watching!

[@arcanernz]

I think your advice is looking back given you got a job. If its been a year plus and still without a job I’m sure your advice would be to grind hard at the beginning and forgo everything else.

[@ginothedev]

Yes that's true, I can only speak to the experience that I had.

[@LaCarteRouge]

i'm impressed from the number of interviews you landed. your resume must be cracked. I'm a swe approaching 2 yoe and I've been casually looking for jobs. my problem is that i don't really have database or cloud experience (i mainly work on desktop apps at my job) so i'm wondering if you'd suggest i make some projects with those in-demand technologies, or just focus leetcode.

[@ginothedev]

'Your resume must be cracked' is now my favorite comment of all time lmao. If you want to transition into a full-stack or backend role I'd definitely recommend getting some experience with database/cloud technologies. Doesn't have to be anything too complex, just creating a CRUD backend connected to some database and then learning how to host those in some cloud provider would be a great start. For reference my main technologies for the above are java/javascript for backend language, spring boot and express respectively for the framework, postgres for the database, and AWS for cloud.

[@gecko-ko362]

You think AI is a factor for these lay offs? And for the people trying to get into this field, is there a chance they can get an opportunity to have a job?

[@emjennett]

AI def speeds up the bug fixing/feature development process. but on the other hand, a critical part of software development requires the human brain to make context-specific choices that are essential to every project. I believe it’ll take a longgg time until AI will be able to replace that

[@ginothedev]

For my situation, AI wasn't a factor for these layoffs. It was purely a financial play since that is a public company that wanted to appease investors. Like @emjennett said, I think it's going to be a very long time until AI even has the possibility to replace engineers.

[@self-taughtdev]

Welcome to the laid off developer club brother

[@ginothedev]

Thank you for having me

[@Canadian-Boi-]

10:45 Bro applied to all the high tech companies. Thats like applying to Google and being sad you got rejected. There are tons of other IT jobs, government, startups, regular companies (not places like Square lol)

[@bfdee1603]

Not to rub it in.... am i glad i dont have to work anymore. Recently retired, and enjoying d fruits of a long career. I suggest go find work in government, eg federal jobs or those with county, state or city- no layoffs😅. And save 30% of your take home pay so theres no stress to find a new job right after being laid off

[@ginothedev]

I am definitely a bit jealous 😂 thank you for your advice and perspective though!

[@kfliden]

First thought, sorry man, that sucks, thanks for sharing the experience and good luck in the job search! Second though, this is what it looks like if Shia LaBeouf got laid off from a tech job.

[@ginothedev]

💀 hahaha that’s hilarious, second person who has commented that 😂😂

[@bosorot]

Between AI and outsourcing , IT job is a no go for the younger generation.

[@stevencheong5584]

For those people who are still steadily employed, do you think it is worth it to grind leetcode and apply for jobs in case you do get laid off? Or is it better to enjoy your life (ie: spend time with family, work on hobbies, etc) when you are employed. How would you compare these opportunity costs?

[@ginothedev]

Great question, honestly something I’ve been thinking about. There’s gotta be some kind of balance. So far in my career if I have been employed I don’t do leetcode, but then restarting after not doing it for a while is tough. So I’ll probably start doing maybe a question or two a week, but nothing more

[@jordixboy]

i dont grind leetcode, but what I do is just to interviews here and there even if I have a job and dont plan to switch. You never know maybe you find something thats better and pays a lot more, and you practice your skills.

[@mberu14]

What leetcode questions do they be asking?

[@user-93fekod1o]

no. i have never done leetcode in my life and was promoted 1 year ago to tech lead. i think i could barely do quick sort or bubble sort, but it would take me a few minutes to get them right. problem solving and cost optimization are more important. i know people will argue that you git gud at problem solving through algorithms, but I have only seen the complete opposite with our leetcoders, they aren't able to solve real problems.

[@catharsis222]

Certifications if IT. Software development….im guessing GitHub projects?

[@daniels4338]

Like a responsible adult, goes to Cabo after layoff.

[@ginothedev]

💀 I swear it was booked before I got laid off 😂

[@retroloungemusic]

Sounds like a great plan to me. I am always set up to do whatever I want if I lose a job for some reason.

[@ViceCoin]

The average career lasts 5 years, probably less in tech.

[@watamatafoyu]

Leetcode questions are not for most job searchers. They're for the cream of the cream of the crop. Why they're being used for half of the jobs, I don't know. It sounds completely stupid.

[@ginothedev]

I’m not sure agree that if you can do leetcode, then you are the cream of the crop. But I do think that top companies were the first to start asking these questions to filter out the large amount of candidates that were applying to roles. And then other companies adopted it because top companies were doing it, even if it didn’t fit their business as much

[@arekkrolak6320]

Cool story, why no microphone stand,?

[@ginothedev]

I’m just cool like that 😤

[@MichaelAivaliotis]

You should work as an asmr artist now.

[@ginothedev]

Hahahaha my true calling

[@thinking-laaf]

Email layoffs are disgusting.

[@keyboards6364]

Did you???? Get a pay cut or it's a step back?

[@ginothedev]

A little bit of a pay cut, but nothing drastic

[@keyboards6364]

@@ginothedev better than being unemployed like me

[@rc5016]

"Knowledge is power" This has never been so wrong!

[@ginothedev]

Sad but true!

[@daedrik3577]

I wish employment decisions were made by team retrospective documents: Both the candidate and the hiring team looked at what went well, what did not go well, how did they adapt. But no... they want you to do cult practices like leet code.

[@ginothedev]

Yeah the decisions surrounding who to lay off don’t make sense in all situations

[@macverishe3480]

This system is evil, why do we participate in perpetuating it?

[@ginothedev]

I guess so I can eat and have health insurance. I'm just not really sure what the alternative is tbh :(

[@CaliburPANDAs]

Any tips for new CS grads trying to find an entry role?

[@jigsaw2253]

Go and study mechanical engineering

[@thefootballer3664]

@@jigsaw2253tech is dead huh 🤔

[@ginothedev]

Hey mate! It's a bit different from when I graduated, so I may not be able to speak super accurately about it. I remember doing 500-600 applications before getting an entry level role, and that may be even more now. It's competitive, but still attainable. Look for jobs at non-tech companies, take a contract role, anything to gain experience, and build from there. Wishing you the best of luck!

[@nobbynob-mq2rn]

Learn a trade. Get out before it's too late.

[@mujkocka]

Unless you have done an internship, win a hackathon is your only chance. These days, it’s super hard, a grad openings are already filled by previous interns

[@noodlespwn42]

About to start job searching ahead of my current contacts end date. Please send energy and any tips welcome 🙏

[@ginothedev]

You got this mate, I actually have two videos on my channel about my recent job applying experience. Gives some tips that I used that were very effective for me, check them out!

[@liquidsnake6879]

One thing devs need to do more is network, because if you're well networked with other devs from other companies you'll always get jobs easily, sometimes you don't even need to go through interviews because the one in charge of recruiting already knows you and can vouch for you. It's just a nice safety net to have, and sometimes if they can't offer you a job directly they might know someone who's looking. And then the main goal of any dev imo should be self-employment, companies are just fickle

[@ginothedev]

Yeah I was able to set up interviews through previous connections. None of them ended up panning out, but it was a good start.

[@mr.random8447]

Well...its a luxury to prioritize mental health. If you got the money you can take your time, if not oh well

[@ginothedev]

Agreed, everyone's situation is different.

[@youwantitigotit4621]

*How many years of experience in Software Engineering did you have before getting laid off?"

[@ginothedev]

Hey mate I was at about 4 yoe when I was laid off.

[@IndependentPrettyGirlis]

So your regrets are literally things and behaviors that would have probably kept you unemployed for over a year probably... What is going on with people these days🤦🏾‍♀️

[@ginothedev]

Not sure how that’s true at all but wordddddddddddd

[@IndependentPrettyGirlis]

@ginothedev oh.. so if you would have taken a break, taking it slowly, rested, not pushed yourself as hard to the brink of exhaustion, you think you would have still found a job in 3 months in the current economic climate?

[@ginothedev]

@IndependentPrettyGirlis most likely not. My main regret is just jumping in immediately. Should’ve given myself a couple weeks before jumping into applying

[@IndependentPrettyGirlis]

@@ginothedev well, I just don't get it because there's nothing to regret. That's exactly the same thing I had to do when I was still working in corporate, exactly what you did in the exact same way. Why? Otherwise you'd be unemployed for longer. Youngins these days 🤦🏾‍♀️

bro - did you get another job ?

[@ginothedev]

Yeah I got another one!

[@aslkdjfzxcv9779]

welcome to heavily manipulated currency. gl to u.

[@ginothedev]

Thanks I hate it here 😂

[@aslkdjfzxcv9779]

@@ginothedev xD