I hate all Birds

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[@lobsterbisque333]

Birds and plants, Josh just does not appreciate nature

[@plume5248]

He's vegan btw

[@EMICIME]

@@plume5248that’s why he’s vegan

[@matthewjacobs3443]

And don't forget cyberse he hates technology too

[@rayyanpmc2495]

If he hates nature so much, then why does he play Runick NATURIA so much?

[@sanketower]

​@@EMICIMEWe'll soon see him eating flash drives

[@In.New.York.I.Milly.Rock.]

"The enormity of their flat brain, the enormity of their stupidity, is just overwhelming. You have to do yourself a favor when you’re out in the countryside and you see a winged-beast: Try to look a winged-beast in the eye with great intensity, and the intensity of stupidity that is looking back at you is just amazing." Joshua Herzog Schmidt

[@tratufo921]

I guess that this guy never met a corvid (the caledonian crow is believed to be as smart as 7 year old hunans)

[@In.New.York.I.Milly.Rock.]

​@@tratufo921 The original is about chickens lol

[@thekingmickey5497]

Joshua: Who asked for Raidraptor Support? Me: Me NOW LET ME HAVE THIS!

[@Mikey-ct3qf]

Raidraptor are the best

[@Alexalibur13]

Ban Kali Yuga and you may have it.

[@babrad]

@@Alexalibur13 Why not ban Launch instead since Konami gave the deck 2 UPGRADES for a card that isn't even played in its deck, unless it goes for a degenarate strategy?

[@MOORE4U2]

​@@babradWhy not just ban the card doing the degenerate thing? Azzathoth was banned for a similar, weaker effect that was nonetheless far more accessible.

[@babrad]

@@MOORE4U2 azazzoth was banned for being a generic Rank 4 toolbox card and not for Launch.

[@mushythezombehkiller]

"I am not a *Vegan* because I like Animals, I am because I hate plants."

[@AzrielTheOne]

That's a movie quote

[@georeaper4965]

Mmm ending on 3 towers is way more based than kali yuga imo

[@f.b.iagent3971]

Yes, instead of ending on a card with 0 outs, you end on a board with a single out 1 Sphere-ey boi

[@emperorshun4750]

@@f.b.iagent3971 Sounds fair. If somebody really sides in Sphere Mode just for RR in that format, he should have an opportunity to win.

[@michielidema3239]

borrelsword can clear two towers by itself

[@ziggystardust1973]

At this point, what doesn't he hate 😂

[@In.New.York.I.Milly.Rock.]

Frog

[@dewanegara8333]

Uh.... Raye?

[@reversal3628]

Maybe his runick spright shenanigans deck😂

[@Mantis24513]

Runick decks that don't play 3 or less monsters

[@SDREHXC]

Beatcop mystic mine decks 😂

[@comrademiku854]

Just so you know, it's only the Phantom Knights Rank Up that can do all these shenanigans, almost all raidraptor rank up can only be used for raidraptor monsters

[@esrohm6460]

but you gotta say it would be hella funny if in the anime one villain just went draw phase?, standby phase?, main phase?, in response to your cards activation do i activate phantom knight's rank-up-magic force and then just proceeded to otk on the following turn with every appearance of that villain just being a 5 second duel that he always wins with an ftk. and then they have to somehow try to stretch those duels to 90 minutes with nothing but talking

[@Catamantaloedes_]

90 mins? Just have the combo player announce and explain every action, you will get there 😅

[@DeadlestSpartanGroup]

Who asked? Me! Raidraptors is what got me to remove my blind hate of XYZs so they hold a special place.

[@dalebarrs297]

I love Raidraptors as well, just hope Kali Yuga gets banned though

[@Miwles]

same

[@joeymayson8279]

Every Raidraptor enjoyer wishes Josh a very Circular day

[@xCorvus7x]

Unironically a decent curse, as evidenced by Groundhog Day.

[@MasterFMAF]

actually, yes...

[@EMICIME]

Hates everything but likes runick

[@izsan9070]

I love all Birds

[@crimsecretxd-ex9fb]

Floowandereeze

[@emalight9707]

@@crimsecretxd-ex9fb That's my second favorite bird, behind Lyrilucs

[@Cwronaga216]

I say that setting up an unaffected towers and passing like Ultimate Falcon is way less cringe than setting up a board of seven negates and floodgates preventing your opponent from playing the game and actually having fun. I think it's better for the game to set up a board that says come at me bro then to set up a board that says no you can't do that you can't do any of that your entire hand worthless. The game needs less negates and more big tough hard to remove payoffs

[@Pkey995]

This

[@drumline1321]

Very true 👍

[@cankurt1696]

Long Live Raidraptor. This is That Deck What i Played because is no a Deck with Dragon, Waifu, Evoli, Warrior Artworks and Yacine has shown that the variant without Kali Yuga is also extremely strong. I just hope I can get the card really Cheap.

[@bruhgherstein9829]

I fucking love raidraptors

[@antwanbrown6465]

This support is amazing, and Rise Rebellion Falcon is just a work of art, not to mention you summon this on your opponents' turn with the new rank up card and wipe their board clean plus burn, love to see it. I play pure raidraptors along with a small pk engine, nothing too crazy.

[@zariygo]

Josh hates birds, hates plants, hates mathmech but why does he hates all the decks I like to play?

[@EMICIME]

Cause he likes runick

[@RanDoomPuff]

Sounds like u play cringe decks that do the same cringe thing

[@rizreighnand6471]

And he also hates rocks

[@ht8138]

Runick is more cringe than all those things.

[@rizreighnand6471]

@@ht8138 runick is cringe but still fair unlike making an endboard that leads to "negate card effects for the restof this turn"

[@thefinalskarm1754]

Bird strongest there is

[@izsan9070]

"Birds together strong." - Caesar

[@DuxDexM]

BIRD UP !!!

[@colinbrown74]

Josh calling Raidraptor towers cringe and then proceeds to have one of his favorite decks be Runick.

[@shmatet]

Lol exactly

[@Daenijel]

How is Runick cringe if you don't play stun? Very interactive deck, no floodgates, clear defined weakness. Shitting a towers on the field after 3 years of comboing isn't what I call interesting to play against.

[@bl00by_]

He also liked purrley, a deck which entire gameplay revolves around a towers.

[@nharviala]

I'm hella happy for this! Been wanting to build them for casual play, picked up the deck, so now we get a huge wave of support, with a new Towers, and an actual good card to go into with Raiders' Knight to then search Skip Force, go into Arsenal Falcon, and from there rank up into new Towers! WOOOO!

[@gahbunga]

This ain't really hating birds, it's just hating Kali Yuga, which is understandable, unlike hating plants.

[@babrad]

No, hating cards like Launch/Reprodocus/Bishbalkin is understandable, because those are the real problem cards that even limit future card design, and not a super hard-to-summon boss from a casual archetype. If you have ever played PK/RR you know Launch targets have always been Ophion/Azazzoth/Kali/VFD and not Rebellion/Requiem since PK Force and now RR Force are MUCH BETTER RUMS to use.

[@TheChiefMoron]

nah, fuck them birds. Kali is only their latest weapon of choice. Whenever I see these winged devils I know they're gonna spend 20 mintues just to drop the world's least interactive card on the board.

[@devariojohns]

I genuinely wonder what he expects from decks. I can understand being sick of towers or kali yuga degeneracy, but what kinds of effects do you want out of a boss monster for the deck then? And I mean effects that wont just make it useless or weak.

[@BreadBoyWeeb]

Joshua really flamed the shit out of Lithium lol

[@droskibaby00]

Hates everything but runick spright and raye 😂😂😂😂

[@Rygoken]

I asked for RR support this and DDD were my favorites from the arc v era

[@justotk4010]

Tbf the problem card is not a bird 😅.

[@edwinsilisbolteada9063]

Big birds strong together (I fricking love raidraptors and yes I did ask for more support)

[@Amsel_616]

The extra deck feels soooo small

[@bobjones4469]

Birds are jerks. Also, I asked for Raid Raptor cards.

[@iyzthemonochrome6872]

Eddy: "who invented birds anyway!". 😅

[@renaldyhaen]

Josh just hate everything he see

[@hasanplaster1510]

Runic

[@crimsonraiza3633]

Unless Spright or Runick, Josh hates it lol

[@dewanegara8333]

Nah, he loves raye.

[@SDREHXC]

Plants, birds, geometry, what’s next? 💀

[@mauvemus5810]

He doesn't hate runick because the spells are POVs.

[@INib_]

I did. I'm a guy who asked for support.

[@fjorddkcckkc3783]

I did joshie, i asked

[@decypherdust290]

From a design standpoint it’s fun to make rank up plays, also being able to play under towers monsters > you can’t play yugioh boards. The problem is Kali Yuga, not the birds, the birds are actually pretty cool and unique.

[@Theoneandonly508]

Just like floo, it was the shifter and feather storm that ruined it. Wind barrier was the icing on cake

[@Yaboi-h]

noone who brought naturia runick and bystial dragon link to a championship can call ANY deck cringe

[@casualplayer8464]

Raidraptor gang rise up 💪💪💪

[@EddieintheLoop]

I'm about to move back to Europe Josh and plan on playing this deck so gg at the ycs when we face :)

[@rizreighnand6471]

Oh wow raidraptor support that resulting the same exact strategu from many years ago

[@the_swoletariat1621]

YEEEE raidraptor is one of my favorite decks to play on MD so im amped! Also I never play Kaliyuga lol, but I do love me some ultimate Falcon 😅

[@Lorddrake4444.]

I am starting to think josh simply hates combo

[@VixYW]

Which is fair enough tbh...

[@Beraka114]

Not combo deck,but long ass combo.braded/swoswo is decent length combo deck.rikka/raidraptor/60 adamaancipator was so long to combo it became boring

[@ducky36F]

He literally plays Spright and Runick combos for a living haha

[@trippersigs2248]

​@@ducky36Fneither of those are combo decks though.

[@Solemn-boost]

RaidRaptor support 💀

[@FrankOcean--]

Someone has to stop josh or he'll start hating anything that isn't runick, spright or frogs. The only hate i agree on is Floo but what did my fellow blackwings and raidraptors to deserve all this hate 😢

[@orga7777]

Kali Yuga Turbo deserves to be hated. Sorry, man.

[@hurrdurrmurrgurr]

Have you ever played against Raidraptors? It's an ftk deck.

[@danha3107]

Kali Yuga turbo bs deserves the hate, but that should be directed toward Kali Yuga, not the archetypes themselves

[@yamiryujin4982]

Long as combo.

[@FrankOcean--]

While I agree Kali yuga deserves the hate because it's a degenerate card with how it's been used, so does calamity, as well as the runick engine, purrely making a towers that can spin into the deck, rikka making an almost unbreakable board with just 1 loci, lab using eev or dbarrier and many others... The combos itself are easy to interrupt and you have to wait main phase 1 to activate the rank up so idk about you but I'd hate on many other cards in the meta right now

[@yuseifudo6075]

RAIDRAPTORS BEST DECK LET'S GOOOO!!!

[@anotherdan4920]

I was going to agree with the title but then I checked the Winged Beast archetypes and realized that I only hate Floo and Blackwing.

[@Ragnarok540]

Hates all birds, all plants, all cyberse, I'm starting to see a pattern here.

[@johnnyhall9154]

I asked for the support

[@jaredricci9278]

Rank up card isnt a card guesser clip for you. Its very good and the goal of the deck isnt kali yuga or bust.

[@drakev.]

I read the title and got excited for floowandereeze support

[@kusanali9824]

where is pk man...

[@thskater1]

I'm the guy who asked for Raidraptor support and I'm happy 😂

[@VixYW]

Hey now... I can get people not like the Cali Yuga play (I also hate it), but Ultimate Falcon and the new Rank 13 got nothing on Expurrely Noir on how easy it is to bring out. I don't think they deserve the hate.

[@lilchillinkirby535]

Nah id rank up into VFD, or raging dragon in raidraptors

[@tamag0_channel]

Raidraptors are cool. But Kali Yuga is cringe.

[@crimsecretxd-ex9fb]

Facts

[@winter945]

We are just having fun with our birds, but here comes the CEO to ruin everything

[@babrad]

Launch is cringe. Its targets have always been Ophion, Azazzoth, Kali, VFD and now the deck has 2 MUCH BETTER upgrades to the point you don't even use it for your combos since PHRA.

[@PsychoKern]

This dude literally hates every single new card that's coming out 😂

[@EleggGaming]

BUY

[@trollinggaming9903]

10:47 seems true. Remember, 1/2 of the reason that the banlist was created is a freaking bird.

[@Ragnarok540]

Yatagarasu is a Fiend

[@ViperGXX]

The 3 towers version is a lot of fun, I’m enjoying it a lot. Also let it be known I think Kali Yuga lock is just bad.

[@savage069]

Well, good for you, birds are actually not real.

[@crimsecretxd-ex9fb]

Except you go to that cringe place called outside

[@Alexalibur13]

Lmao sounds like you've never heard of a deck called Floowandereeze.

[@masterh2o2]

Oh come on you're complaining about this but now kash fenrir who is the best raidraptor starter ?

[@genuswandering8187]

Playingtri-spright and opening 2 nervall I can confirm birds are cringe

[@gubigubigubigubi]

Konami for real does not know how to make a bird card without making it the most annoying thing ever created by man kind.

[@KidInari]

Burds best deck

[@Ragnamune]

World Champion btw doesn't like birds? ...wonder what brought that about. *(looks at Robina)*

[@chrisburns9898]

So would he like the deck without Kali Yuga? Thats really the only major problem that I see them even being able to rank up into anymore. Like the rank 13 is good in the sense that it actually does something to meaningfully interact with the opponent and having 500 more atk than ulti falcon, but I feel like it wouldn’t be problematic use it for its rank up eff. It still triggers off of stuff like the newer pk RUM, so you don’t even need to run the trash new one. Hopefully it’s good without Kali Yuga, but besides that, I am also kinda rightly afraid.

[@babrad]

If you ban Kali Yuga the deck won't even play Launch since PK Force and RR Force are much stronger upgrades. So instead Launch itself should be banned since it is only used for degenerate plays, like Reprodocus and Bishbalkin. The issue of the new support is that it dark-locks the entire turn with the extenders, preventing the early Cyber Dragon Infinity play. The new Ultimate Falcon is a nice blowout card but ceiling was never the deck's problem, it was fragility (playing over disruption) and unfortunately this support won't make it that much better than D/D was during BaCh format. Blackwings are on the same boat, some of the highest ceilings in the game but easily lose to both Nib and early disruption.

[@Xenonfuji]

​@@babradbanning Kali Yuga would be fine. D/D/D doesn't run that shit either.

[@babrad]

@@Xenonfuji No it wouldn't be. The problem would still exist as soon as the next good DARK Xyz that shouldn't be supposed to be usable is printed. Also you are mistaken about Kali Yuga, if D/D was able to compete (not a case especially due to Bystials), Kali would have been an incredible answer to Purrely/Lab/Rescue and other backrow-oriented decks since High Genghis is not an OPT negate on spell/traps and Kali Yuga effectively seals the deal as a really hard-to-summon game-ender boss.

[@Xenonfuji]

@@babrad I used to play d/d/d. They wouldn't make kali yuga. They'd rather thrust into harpies than use Kali yuga. Remember that Kali yuga negates both sides. Kali yuga ends both turns when it's made, and you need to use high Genghis + Siegfried just to make it.

[@babrad]

@@Xenonfuji The problem is unless you run thrust and the needed targets, your engine has NO OUTS to multiple stuff in every format since BaCh. Kali is not just a costly HFD, it also outs Noir and other hard matchups the typical D/D extra deck of D'Arc + Baronne + Zeus (i assume you understand what i mean) cannot out (unless you brick yourself with Thrust + its targets, since Thrust doesn't get any extenders for the deck except from Small World) Even some top lists sided Kali Yuga. The point isn't Kali Yuga itself. It's that as soon as a good DARK Xyz is released, Launch can immediately become a problem. Brave Strix/Bardiche are generic enough to give you Launch in any DARK/Rank4 spam deck. I have both decks (every Arc V deck) and Launch has always been used for Ophion, Azazzoth, Kali (afer arsenal) and VFD (especially in OCG Orcust when it was banned here) and almost never for Rebellion/Requiem especially after PHRA gave the deck PK RUM that it's a direct UPGRADE. Now they even got a better RUM.

[@Primetheusgame]

I asked for the convertabird support, sorry.

[@Carlosanormal]

My man said if your opponent has the dark ruler. My guy the end board has 2 towers monsters

[@redlucario20]

What some people don't know is that the deck could summon Kali Yuga for a long time, nothing new is to blame for it being played, it just makes it easier to do since now you can extend if they imperm the link 2 that was the biggest choke point in the deck before. You can play the deck without Kali and still end on some pretty good boards, people just use it since it's an easy way to instantly end the opponents turn just like how synchro decks do with King Calamity, the difference being that this one is brickier since all the RUMs in deck can mess up your hands most of the time.

[@INib_]

With this support deck becomes fair deck with deacent end board nothing too crazy and crazy enough 15 raidraptor cards. Goal of the deck is summoning 2-3 towers and making 2-3 negates with a lot of follow up I don't know how you find that "cringe"

[@Noah-jq6es]

I Play that Deck and i Play a Version wothout kalyiuga but tbh at First i was to stupid to bring him put so i just stopped playing him but now i can Make a board with 5 omni negates and a boardwhipe

[@gonzalogarcia312]

I hate all stun/floodgate cards.

[@charleslindita8635]

I hate cyberse 😡 I hate plant 😡 I hate birds 😡

[@BassAndTrebleBR]

BAVI

[@MasterFMAF]

so ultimate falcon is cringe but expurrely noir isn't ?

[@ducky36F]

Hey Vayu is cool 😂

[@raiyananindo1371]

Josh hates birds but likes runick(which are also birds)

[@elegyx1036]

You are the reason cuckoo is crying

[@lenabo9929]

josh is cancelled he has admitted hating all women

[@Roulade-ho2ig]

We say L + Ratio

[@leonshirogane5541]

the cards is fine (unaffected by all is abit annoying) is the player choice to put generics unfun cards into the deck and use it. like OCG peoples hate VW because Shenshen is a b*tch...but is just shenshen then is not that bad...but the play choose to use ShenShen and make VFD with it.

[@autobotstarscream765]

I thought the OCG loved cards like Shenshen and just raised an eyebrow when Final Sigma and Crimson Dragon entered the chat.

[@samuelruiz8410]

Man's just a hater

[@ShiPerion]

They have a new big bird & can shift away from kali yuga. Please konami dont hit my fave card from my fav deck, lol😢

[@emilchaos1489]

Josh on his way to play runick for the nth time but call bird, plant and mathmeck cringe

[@milanpuretic7829]

and it is not cringe to play shty kashtira deck and bloc all colums ?

[@trippersigs2248]

He doesn't like Kashtira either.

[@milanpuretic7829]

@@trippersigs2248 not important, he probaly like some shity deck that bolck opponent from playing..

[@chixbro9628]

haha all these Runick haters comments LMFAO 🤣 not getting that Josh NEVER played Runick-STUN (with floodgates) and totally disguises it, he even played Synchro Runick which is combo based, but ofc: jOsH HaTeS EvErY CoMbO DeCk

[@Dark-of9zy]

You probably got violated by a bird as a kid. And as an adult you proceed to get violated by blackwings 😂

[@MrGshinobi]

why is josh so scared of combo decks?

[@Carlosanormal]

You know a good fix for people summoning Kali Yuga? Ban Kali Yuga 😬

[@robicoopter]

Lyrilusc player.Don`t like the title.

[@residentgrey]

Next box needs to have a Fiend cat/dog that autokills every bird. NyanTendo Duck Destroyer lolol

[@RoyaltonDrummer922]

AGOV’s only been out a week and already everybody doesn’t care and has moved on to the next set 🙄

[@dalebarrs297]

Kinda agree with Josh. Love the Main Deck design, just wish the end goal wasn't a degen "lol you can't play the game" endboard. Personally, I think the Rank-Up magics are fine, but Kali-Yuga (and other such cards, see Calamity) should be banned. It's just not fun to be unable to play Yugioh

[@sweepinbelle]

More like gaydraptors

[@AljoschaW1993]

I like the Combos when Cali Yuga is banned is all fine But I play Master Duel so I don't think so there

[@babrad]

No they should ban Launch instead because it is ONLY used for degenerate combos.

[@ratiuvictor9533]

Why Raidraptor gets more support. It already takes 20 minutes to make a ultimate Falcon.

[@solissnow6857]

It doesn’t

[@Mikey-ct3qf]

You can literally summon it in less than 5 summons lol

[@Honest_Mids_Masher]

​@@solissnow6857Shhhh let people be misinformed and look dumb it's hilarious

[@gungnir382]

Give me Dark Magician Support

[@goasmakoaradler8158]

Feels like DM is getting support every thursday

[@Honest_Mids_Masher]

How original

[@inciaradible7144]

Raid Raptors are cool, but they still got nothing really that works on the opponent's turn and their best plan is still Kali Yuga which, yeah, I am kinda bored with.

[@jaredricci9278]

Kali yuga isn't needed anymore

[@floflo1645]

Raidraptorr won't be good. It will be like blackwing, playable rogue but not even a solid rogue option. Some tryhard may manage to top with it though Infernoid will be the next scary combo deck

[@phoenix5095]

I'd disagree the kali yuga version sounds appealing at first but it's worst going second and into handtraps and has to play bricks, the pure variant is super resilient to interuptions,has 1 card full combos, ends on 3 towers plus good interactions, it actually good going second too and alot of room for non engine, ima say it's going to be a solid tier 1.5 deck assuming you play pure

[@floflo1645]

@@phoenix5095 yacine has the exact same arguments on how strong this deck is and yet he admits that it won't be more than a rogue deck. It get destroyed by shifter, imperm and veiller can hit really hard if they hit the right card (usually wise strix). Nibiru + another handtrap can also hurt really bad. You are totally coping if you think this deck will be meta

[@phoenix5095]

@@floflo1645 the deck is more than capable of playing through imperm and veiler through the "choke points", and for the love of god don't use the argument " well actually 🤓 nibiru plus any handtrap cooks the deck" newsflash 99% of all mid range/combo decks do too

[@floflo1645]

@@phoenix5095 Only time will prove you right I suppose, I am still not convinced though

[@riccardo205]

@@floflo1645yes you are right this deck is shit, it also loses to ra sphere mode, lava golem, solemn judjment

[@danha3107]

IVE BEEN ASKING FOR RAIDRAPTOR SUPPORT AND FKING FINALLY WE GET SOME. That rank 5 is sadly very mid when it had such amazing potential (why is it only one effect per turn???) but ig beggars can't be choosers (bullshit). I also hope they ban Kali Yuga so that BW and RR don't just spam that floodgate bs anymore

[@markogamingtv7030]

The rank 5 is like the best card revealed

[@danha3107]

@@markogamingtv7030 sure yeah both effects are insane, but wtf are they scared of. RRs will probably be fine even if it didn’t have that bullshit “only one eff per turn” clause. Kali Yuga and similar cards are degenerate ofc but it basically only sees play in RR and BW brews so it’s an easy ban. Also the main deck monsters and spells are crazy. We’ve needed more good names for a long time

[@babrad]

@@danha3107 The rank5 is the best card from this support, imo what hurts most is the extenders dark-locking the entire turn preventing the infinity play. Also no, Kali Yuga is not the degenerate card here. Launch was, is and always will be. That card literally limits future card design for Dark Xyz since it can cheat them out for free, and not only it has been used for these degenerate plays, Konami itself gave the card 2 (not just one) incredible UPGRADES (PK Force in Phantom Rage, RR Force here) that are both balanced and PROMOTE YOUR DECK'S PLAYS INSTEAD OF CHEATING OUT other Archetypal cards PK/RR aren't even supposed to use.

[@danha3107]

@@babrad I never said it wasn’t the best in this round of support, just that it’s unnecessarily handicapped. Also yes Kali Yuga is a problem, any and all floodgates that literally say “don’t play the game” are. That’s just not fun gameplay for anyone. As much as I love the flavor, you’re right, Launch is certainly problematic and also probably needs to go or should’ve had more restrictions (archetype lock to PK/RR/Rebellion). Really funny how you’re advocating for “promoting your deck’s plays” though when you just said “the deck’s biggest problem is the Dark lock because Infinity.” Mind telling me where RR is written on that card? Soul Shave has literally the exact same issue but for rank 6s; the second they make a busted rank 6, RR will cheat that out. If anything (I don’t condone it but) at least Kali Yuga makes more sense cause they were all on the same team in the anime

[@babrad]

@@danha3107 soul shave force at the very least requires not only a Raidraptor, but also ranks up 2 stages to make stuff a bit tricky, while it is NOT a quick effect that fundamentally has the potential to break stuff on its own. So by answering you back with a question, would you consider the Kali Yuga play if you could do it on your turn?

[@gentarafi7005]

i dont get whats so "cringe" about a win con.

[@BlackBeartic229]

Kali Yuga is literally a turn skip lmao. One with almost no counterplay outside drawing a Kaiju. That's super cringe and i'm saying this as a former RR player. RR in general even outside of Kali Yuga is just a break my board deck. Wins aren't satisfying unless you're that much of a sweat to where you get euphoria off of non interactive games

[@gentarafi7005]

@@BlackBeartic229 thats just literally ygo dude, what about vfd? Calamity? You cant say “well at least with X you can still do X” thats the “drawing the out” youre talking about, not every deck can deal with every situation Combo decks are just basically come at me bro

[@BlackBeartic229]

@@gentarafi7005 VFD deserves its place on the banlist and shouldn't have ever been printed Calamity deserves a ban and should've also never been printed or future proofed way better Win cons are fine but if they're straight up unhealthy then it's cringe lmao. Especially if said wincon ends up making a deck relevant off of how unhealthy and spammable it is (VW with VFD) I don't see how a practical ftk wouldn't be seen as cringe. The current relevant combo decks don't even come close to that. I used to play RR myself and seeing it turn into such a mess made me drop the deck lmao. Launch should have never been unbanned and should be rebanned.

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@@BlackBeartic229 i still think either all win cons are cringe, or none of them are Yes theyre unhealthy, but they keep printing these cards, and if your deck doesnt have one, its probably not competitive Iblee, puppet, statue, ultimateness, list goes on and on, and you cant make cases for just one card, cause theres always gonna be a next one. If your deck cant handle it then its proly toxic to you Im not saying its healthy, but thats just the way the game is

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@@gentarafi7005 It's very hard to agree with that when not every relevant deck wins without being super degenerate atm. Even more so in OCG where you have Fire King, a deck with no floodgates or turn skips. It just has a lot of destruction (which has always been its thing). It's win con is the xyz Garunix Eternity and its amazing grind game (alongside Promethean Princess and Amblowhale), yet none of that is degenerate. Fire King imo is how good decks should be structured. Strong but not degenerate. Then you have the rapidly falling off Centurion who's only goal and only way to win is quite literally turn skipping your opponent. And if it can't? It loses almost on the spot. That is what I would call cringe and is a reason I do not respect the deck at all. Compare Eternity's monster nuke vs Centurion's turn skip turbo. You're telling me that they are equal in that regard? People would complain less if every deck was as well designed and strong like Fire King is atm ocg side