I Hate Mathmech

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[@CaptainMarvel4Ever]

“I hate Cyberse” Bruh, Josh confirmed Knight of Hanoi

[@kilvun3790]

more like Varis/Revolver

[@kohlenstoffmonoxid1215]

@@kilvun3790 Google Knights of Hanoi

[@CaptainMarvel4Ever]

@@kohlenstoffmonoxid1215 To be fair, it was only the main Knights who wanted to destroy the Cyberse. Most of the foot soldiers were just thugs who wanted to hang out online and cause trouble.

[@KSNaethos]

So true

[@autobotstarscream765]

​@@kilvun3790 Time for Joshua to run Dragon Link! 😎

[@catcocaine9698]

Admit it, the only reason why you harbour this hatred for Mathmech is because that one time you answered a Math question wrongly in class. It was a traumatic social experience. Thus why you cringe whenever a random Mathmech encounter happens. Fair points on your part though, good video

[@brittt2421]

He studied Math as his major...

[@shrekisboss5759]

His points apply to most decks Tbf. Shs, kashtira, branded, etc. most decks have a one card starter that just says “respond or you die”

[@Spellshot693]

@@brittt2421 Oh then THAT’S where the trauma came from

[@eu4um]

Honestly "Joshua hates Mathmech" is one of my fave memes rn and has a lot of potential. Edit: Well that was a fun run. GG Mr Schmidt!

[@candyelysium451]

I love how both Joshua and Coder hate a specific Mathmech card.

[@kroffen7]

I like it, it’s just harmless fun!

[@thedog7494]

he's unfunny like every other yugituber

[@joanaguayoplanell4912]

I hate them, but for a very weird reason. Every time I am against them, I brick in the absolutely worst possible cards every time, then draw every card i need exactly 1 turn too late. I can't understand how it happens, but this is a constant

[@kechitiabderrahmane6357]

@@joanaguayoplanell4912 well they are based on math You find out the answers for math exams by yourself after you have already finished it, then you start wondering how the hell you couldn't think of those answers when you were doing the exam

[@TheMikman97]

"the cyberse archetype" as he accidentally said at the end perfectly entails this. Cyberse doesn't feel like a type, if feels like a single archetype because all cyberse archetypes and support do the same thing and splash the same cards

[@amethonys2798]

Marincess at least locks you out of most other cyberse because it has a water lock

[@ryuuohdeltaplus7936]

The Live Twins are cyberse too but are more for aesthetic reasons

[@xerospades]

​@@ryuuohdeltaplus7936 yeah but you get locked in to fiends tho

[@TheMikman97]

@@ryuuohdeltaplus7936 yeah the links are fiends, that's OK imo

[@charlesfort6602]

Are we pretending like zombies dinos and dragons are not a thing or....? Hell even all the level 2s have basically became spright flavours

[@Ragnarok540]

Alternative title: "Why you should play Mathmech."

[@straypaper]

"Nice board you got there. Unfortunately..." Mathmech: "[Unaffected by card effects, other than Mathmech cards, while in the extra zone]" Tearlaments: *types up actual arguments and counter arguments* Marincess: "I'll just come back next turn." Kashtira: "You can't play." Labrynth: *blocked* Kaiju: *tributed* Naturia: "I am in your walls."

[@pockit5107]

You're actually delusional if you think Tearlaments is "typing up actual arguments and counter arguments". That deck is more degen than every deck you listed.

[@safimaxmoon]

@@pockit5107 what

[@Avelo_venturian]

​@safimaxmoon they're babies

[@harrya9458]

@@pockit5107Tear is definitely coming up with genuinely accurate arguments and counterarguments. Only problem is your pathetic little board can’t come up with a good comeback and just sits there and cries as Tear bullies you into a pulp with its words

[@lightman9935]

@@harrya9458 Tearlaments be like: What the fuck is a fusion spell

[@Powerman293]

Change "Mathmech Circular" to "Junk Speeder" and Link climbing to Synchron climbing and you also have the same argument against Synchron.

[@ashuraahunter]

Speeder loses to more interruptions than Circular does

[@Pyrrha_Nikos]

Cyberse decks fall into 2 categories: 2 hour long combo that link climbs into a Towers, or 2 hour long combo that sets up 2 or 3 interruptions and having 4 handtraps in hand.

[@Pyrrha_Nikos]

Also, Cyberse brings in me the same hate I have for Dragons and Warriors. Like why is everything so toolbox with what seems no restrictions other than "Haha Cyberse lock surely will matter, right?". Snore gameplay

[@lightman9935]

No cyberse deck takes ''2 hours'' to combo. Mathmechs basic combo (heatsoul factorial) takes just about 2 minutes if you go uninterrupted. Mathmech literally has the quickest combo route in the meta and possibly ever (unless you count make drident pass a combo)

[@lightman9935]

@Sugatara ik that, hence the ''2 hours'" remark. 2 minutes is not a long time to combo at all. The opposite infact, its one of the fastest combos you can make. Decks like kashtira and purrely take 3 times as long to do their combos, sometimes even longer.

[@RenegadeRacoon]

Don't forget the hand rip

[@Phoenix3Fighter]

@Sugatara Right?! For fucks sake...

[@croczOTK]

Joshua Schmidt isn’t allowed play superheavy samurai after this video

[@gekkouga-sl7lb]

He's a man of literature, what can we say. He's not a number cruncher

[@gabrielgois8724]

In my opinion, the worst part of Cyberse decks is that since they only need 1 card to FTK you, they can play a shit ton of handtraps, and oh boy, it's not fun to get hit by 4 handtraps in a turn and lose to Circular eff on the next turn.

[@Dreycoh]

Almost like Kashtira and Purrrely does the exact same thing but better.

[@Hawken123Phone]

​@@Dreycoh nop Xd. Purrely cant play with 1 hard. Kashtira yes

[@Dreycoh]

@@Hawken123Phone are you blind? Literally every spell in the deck gets your plays going, unless you play so many non engine that you whiff the excavation.

[@Hawken123Phone]

@@Dreycoh you play purrely? Most of the hands ends in noir or nothing cause of discards and random of duality purrely xD

[@Hawken123Phone]

@@Dreycoh and is fuckinh hard to play

[@NixDolores]

Konami has spent the past several years muddling the meaning of "combo," and the consequence of that is a game in which even Trap-based decks like Altergeist and Traptrix are becoming combo decks, and an excessive percentage of games are decided by binary non-gameplay. I blame most of that on the design of Link Monsters, and I mean the cards themselves, not the entire mechanic. I don't think Link Monsters are inherently problematic or "ruined the game," but Konami seemingly forgot the inherent strengths of the mechanic after the first few releases. At its core, the Link mechanic does three unprecedented things: 1. It gives you the ability to send monsters to the GY with a degree of freedom not present in any other mechanic. Fusions require an external effect to perform the summon and are usually pretty restrictive in what materials they allow; there's an opportunity cost in that you have to build your deck around the ability to Fusion Summon. Synchros require you to both perform specific addition to ensure the Levels match up and summon the right ratio of Tuners to non-Tuners. Xyz Monsters require every material to be the same Level (and don't send their materials to the GY until they're detached). Even Pendulums require the Scales to play nicely with the Levels of the monsters you want to Pendulum Summon. Meanwhile, Link Monsters just don't care (with notable exceptions like Cherubini). If you have the material, which is frequently as generic as "monster," you can send it away. They're essentially Contact Fusions without any of the drawbacks (more generic materials, don't banish or shuffle the materials away with half the card pool, plus the next two points). 2. It gives you the ability to convert any garbage left on your board into a potential payoff. In an extension of point 1, the materials you're using aren't just being thrown into the GY for nothing; Link Monsters themselves are capable of having effects. This means that not only is any monster whose stats are listed in a Link Monster's materials able to be sent to the GY at any time to turn on any GY effects it might have, but it does this while also representing whatever effects that Link Monster might have. The most egregious example IMO is Striker Dragon. There are already a plethora of Level 4 or lower Dragon monsters with good GY effects. Because Striker Dragon exists, every single one of those cards is simultaneously always live and also always an extender. Link 1s are clearly the most heinous abusers of this power, but it applies to higher Link Ratings as well. Like all three of these points, this absolutely could be designed around; the problem arises when Konami decides to stop doing that, which they did. 3. This is the most important one, and Joshua alluded to this while talking about Link climbing. It converts materials into a payoff WITHOUT SACRIFICING BOARD PRESENCE. When you convert two bodies on the field into a Link Monster, you're putting those bodies in the GY, getting whatever effects the Link Monster itself has, and functionally retaining the same number of monsters on the field. You've gone from two Link Materials on field to... two Link Materials on field. If you make a Fusion Monster, that's it; those materials are in the GY, and you have to find some other way to keep playing, whether it's a Miracle Fusion clone, the effect of the Fusion Monster itself, or some additional starter/extender. If you make a Synchro Monster, that's it; you need some other effect to be able to summon more monsters. Sure, the Synchro Monster retains the total Levels of its materials, but the mechanic doesn't solely care about Levels; the quantity of materials on board also affects what you're able to do. If you make an Xyz Monster, those materials are under the Xyz Monster, and that Xyz Monster itself only counts for what it is. There are plenty of Xyz Monsters that let you cheat them out or rank them up, but those are individual effects specifically designed for certain scenarios; they aren't fundamental to the mechanic. None of these things are inherently problematic, which is why I don't categorically hate Link Monsters, but they are causes for caution. Unfortunately, Konami didn't exercise that caution for very long. Instead, they designed a plethora of Link Monster payoffs that utilized all the above strengths without sacrificing any power relative to other mechanics. They then allowed this power to warp their design philosophy, causing a dependency on increasingly ridiculous Link Monsters in 2017-2019 that could only be quelled with (banlists and) the introduction of increasingly ridiculous Fusion Monsters, Synchro Monsters, Xyz Monsters, and blowout cards. This isn't just general complaining about power creep; the game has reached a boiling point where, while there is still a ton of room for skill expression, it's become reasonable for the average player to expect a majority of their games to functionally be non-games. Luck and variance will always play a part in this game, but when so many games are decided by a flowchart of questions that answer themselves (Did my opponent draw access to their linear gameplan that pseudo-FTKs me? -> Did I draw the blowout that stops my opponent from psuedo-FTKing me? -> Do they have the counter to that blowout?) instead of interactions between players and actively-thought-out decisions, there's a fundamental problem that needs to be addressed. And what I, as a D/D/D player, find personally offensive is how, at a certain point, the line between a combo deck and every other style of deck became so blurry that the only way for Konami to create a viable deck they could confidently classify as non-combo was to give it access to every Trap in the game and put a summon restriction on its best cards (I'm talking about Labrynth). The premiere "combo deck" of the past few years, literally just called "Dragon Link" [Monster Type + Summoning Mechanic], is nothing but a pile of power creep backlog that forms a yucky, homogenous mess of extenders (nothing wrong with enjoying Dragon Link, but it's true). Hell, we ended up with Eldlich, a control deck, becoming a combo deck by splashing a small engine that, you guessed it, abused generic Link Monsters to summon generic post-Link-era Synchro bosses. An ostensibly Trap-based control deck in Altergeist keeps getting new support in the form of monster extenders. The non-Labrynth "control" deck of the format, Traptrix, is also just a combo deck in a magenta disguise. Superheavy Samurai, an old and terrible deck, has received support that's good enough to propel it to "best deck of the format" status, but not because it bolsters Superheavy Samurai's existing game plan, but because it supplants the deck's identity in favor of turning it into the best shell for spamming out bodies and summoning every generic boss monster printed in the past several years. Everything is becoming combo, and "combo" is becoming meaningless.

[@tankiegirl]

Great comment but unfortunately konami is a capitalist company and the best way to make profit is making cards counter intuitive to this philosophy. Power creep sells cards

[@abc-ki3xj]

There is nothing worse than getting hit by 5 handtraps and for your opponent to go "circular effect"

[@maple1234567890321]

FuN

[@DiKut1997]

I guess u like it more to see ur opponent combo for a hour till he has 20 interrupts and have fun to admit defeat then

[@maple1234567890321]

@@DiKut1997 I was using alternating caps in my shitty attempt at the spongebob mocking meme. I guess it did not translate well when there are only 3 letters.

[@DiKut1997]

@@maple1234567890321 i didnt wantet to reply to you. It was about the First comment here

[@europaboi]

Hey Josh, Splash Mage make Update Jammer, Summon Transcode, revive Update Jammer Summon Accesscode activate Update Jammer in GY Response?

[@freddief8253]

Didn't activate Accesscode to gain 3k, win on crackback?

[@europaboi]

@@freddief8253 yeah, Accesscode got Imperm'd

[@Jaggrias]

​@Europa BoiTM Great, so now I'll splash mage to make update jammer then make transcode to revive update jammer and make accesscode talker then I'll activate update jammer chain link 1 accesscode talker chain link 2 response?

[@europaboi]

@@Jaggrias that's the Joke man

[@Jaggrias]

@Europa BoiTM yes and the joke was that I did the exact same line to otk

[@AcroxShadow]

Accesscode Talker, and other generic bosses like it, is one of the biggest issues with the game today. Obscenely powerful cards that homogenize an enormous amount of strategies into effectively the same thing with different steps.

[@Zeradias090]

I put/and use, and accescode talker in any deck i make in master duel and it work decently

[@isidoreaerys8745]

Absolutely. I like decks that have their Own boss monsters. Icejade. Marincess. Lair of Darkness. Every deck ending on Appoulusa, Baronne De Fleur and Accesscode is so fucking boring.

[@tankiegirl]

No monster in Yu-Gi-Oh should be a staple in most decks imo

[@Zeradias090]

@@tankiegirl it depens on the deck, or archetype

[@tankiegirl]

@@Zeradias090 Maybe I'm wrong but it seems like certain hand traps and extra deck monsters tend to always been in the same deck lists regardless of the archetype

[@thejiban]

All going first decks auto win the game today if u just dont stop them...

[@1EvilWiz1]

ya like what lol. Every meta deck does some bullshit to make it strong.....

[@Pole961]

Kinda feel the same way. The only cyberse deck that I genuinely like is marincess, as its in archetype water restrictions force it to play within its own archetype and not "xd update jammer access code "

[@oblivionceriiue]

I think its fine for cyberse to link climb easily, personally its what I feel the entire archetype is about. The issues I have is that cards like superfactorial feel like they were designed to be hard to set up to get their powerful effect, which circular made trivial. Accesscode is just a ban worthy generic card. I feel like cyberse locking was what was meant to keep the decks in check, but when you have the better link monsters to go into in the first place (heatsoul for +2, terahertz for aggregator + disabwurm, etc.) saying you can only make cyberse monsters feel pointless.

[@amethonys2798]

Accesscode is literally fine as a generic card. The card actually takes effort to make in non-cyberse decks and also doesn't auto win the game on its own since it doesn't do 10600 damage and also most likely only has 1-2 pops. The issue is why literally any 2 bodies in Cyberse is an OTK because Splash and Transcode are the most insane link climbing tools.

[@micahhorton762]

Literally just ban update jammer and the game is fixed lmao

[@jangaman7823]

​@@micahhorton762 Lol. Yeah lets forget the whole game is already a 2 turn game

[@voiceinmymind4790]

In my local area we have like 6 Mathmech players every week... I am getting Circular nightmares...

[@babrad]

Bystial Dragonlink player: And they ask me WHY I win every week.

[@autobotstarscream765]

​@@babrad Dragon Link is _designed_ to beat Cyberse. 😈

[@babrad]

@@autobotstarscream765 on the contrary. Cyberse is designed to be better dragons. Dragons are Light Dark focused while Cyberse are elemental focused. It's just that mathmech happened to have some light monsters while Bystials are a thing. If mathmech were earth based for example, they wouldn't give an f

[@autobotstarscream765]

@Bab Rad I mean because Revolver wiped the floor with most Cyberse-users in the anime, not literally outside of a few bad tech cards like Fire Prison that nobody uses. 🤣

[@coqvaillant7806]

Circular effect?

[@TheBigDeckClub]

Joshua Hates Mathmech has to be the best YGO meme in 2023

[@matthewbrewer8318]

Nobody tell him that mathmech has another one card starter now.

[@abdrahmanhakim5252]

Wait, really? What card?

[@greggoso600]

as a salamangreat enthusiast and a loyal marincess player i approve this video

[@RNE1993]

“I hate decks based around one broken card.” You can just say Branded Fusion, Josh. It’s ok. We’ll still love you. 😂

[@babrad]

Branded Fusion has restrictions that actually matter.

[@99099]

​@@babrad I agree and disagree with that statement, cuz yea, the restriction makes you vulnerable to d barrier as you have no other lines of play, but a fusion restriction in a fusion deck isn't that big of a deal.

[@ivanmaterazzo2631]

Josh: "Marincess doesnt end on oppressive boards". Average marincess player: " I constantly end into Towers, Omni, S/T neg, Monster Neg. " Sure, the water lock balances it somehow (for example you can't turn your combo into Bagooska turbo if interrupted) but i wouldn't call it "well designed". Same goes for Salad which for years now had been " get lucky to find a decent amount of interruptions/floodgates to survive until you can drop Jammered Accesscode".

[@nicolasbolas5247]

Actually, As a Marincess player, I think that marincess isn't that powerfull, ending on a towers isn't very common, all the things that you described aren't very often, maybe You always play against very lucky marincess players

[@yasuiiiyt]

you forgot the most common marincess endboard, one nibiru token

[@TheUltimateCancerCell]

@@yasuiiiytAh a sentiment salad endboards also share

[@umb3rus108]

I completely agree with your take on Cyberse-monsters, and I think it's quite ironic that Mathmech is your go to example. The whole identity of Cyberse is making Link-monsters, and that typing will never get rid of that. Like 2/3rds of all Link-Monsters are Cyberse and support Cyberse. It's similar to how Zombies are bound to Zombie World or Reptiles to Snake Rain, just much more extreme. And ironically Mathmech was made as a Cyberse-Deck that doesn't use Link-Monsters, instead it's supposed to focus on XYZs and Synchros. And it even had it's own OTK-tool in Final Sigma. But instead they mostly use Links and Accescode for OTKs. They kind of became what they were supposed to "fight" (the reliance of Cyberse monsters on Links). In general I feel like MR4 was a huge mistake and that YGO would probably better off if it never existed

[@spacepsycat]

master rule 3 was the real mistake imo

[@inciaradible7144]

Mathmech really reminds me of Geist; an inconsequential archetype that is suddenly thrust into the competitive space because of one bloated support card that just does everything-Circular for Mechhs and Faker for Geist. Cyberse in general as a type feels wholly superfluous (much like Wyrms) and they seem more designed to work as a singular archetype than anything else; the amount of SS from the GY effects in the ED is absurd. Accesscode + Jammer is also very obnoxious, but I dislike Accesscode (and Borrelsword) in general for being OTK buttons that just sit in the ED.

[@neusyns]

The guy who created runic spright says he hates 10 minute combos that end on broken shit lol love u bud

[@vietle8900]

Happy now?

[@leoruivos]

I typed in "mathmech circular" and this is the first video that shows up. Perfection defines.

[@cleankaibaandthegentlemen1695]

1 card combos that end on way too good of board are always frustrating. The other 4 cards can be hand traps, consistency, extenders, traps, etc. when a deck ends on more interruptions than you have cards in hand, this causes a big problem in game design.

[@raci_yt6647]

I always hated mathmech since pote, and I didn’t know how to put it into words, and now I know why, love the vid!

[@watcher2624]

>:(

[@dyyler1170]

Don't cry babygirl

[@Dreycoh]

You’re explanation as to why you hate Mathmech is just a projection of the entire meta game and you’re making the Cyberse typing the scapegoat. You know how many times as a Mathmech player I’ve had to play my ass off to break a Kashtira board just to see my opponent top deck ONE Unicorn which gets them the win or enough advantage to win. If you’re reasoning for hating the Cyberse archetype is that they have one card that’s too strong, then maybe that just shows that Konami has to update the other typing so they have enough gas to be able to compete in todays meta game. Its crazy how you overlook the best decks in the format just because one rogue tier deck is finally starting to get more representation in the meta game.

[@jakerobins83]

There are far more problematic and poorly designed architypes/types out there than Mathmech/Cyberse right now.

[@alexYu-gi-oh]

People should stop this stupid "there are other bad things so lets not talk about this bad thing" mentality. You people are dumb.

[@devonalbrecht5215]

I feel the exact opposite and feel this a freezing cold take. The accesscode combo loses to 1 interruption.😂

[@babrad]

Diameter: I guess they always link away the Xyz during their combo lines. Lucky you.

[@dhiaajalloul7218]

If they have an extender, they can play through 1 disruption (nib,veiler,imperm)

[@devonalbrecht5215]

But a spot negate or pop usually does the trick

[@devonalbrecht5215]

That's fair I just feel that no different from any other deck.

[@amethonys2798]

I don't even mind Cyberse.dek's turn 1 because it is usually interesting interactions besides a vomit 5 negate board from other combo decks. Superfact+Conflict+a bunch of handtraps or any of the "worse" cyberse decks being towers turbo is at least interesting. The issue is moreso if they live with a decently weak board (Heatsoul+Conflict pass) they can still kill you out of nowhere turn 3 by sticking any 2 bodies. I don't even think Accesscode is the problem here since the card is fine in non-cyberse decks and it is moreso the literal free link climbing and doing 10600 damage with him.

[@autobotstarscream765]

Accesscode outside of Cyberse often doesn't have the direct 10,600 and gets outclassed by Borrelsword that really does single-handedly win with minimal assistance.

[@Mvp_Scaby]

''cyberse strategies ends games too quickly'' said by the guy that got angry cause he lost to time in battle phase

[@Mvp_Scaby]

but i agree to the fact that it was supposed to be the NON link cyberse strategy, but there are other decks that are unfair equally

[@bballhunter2988]

I can completely understand your arguments, but I do love the one card link climbing myself.

[@gasmeister467]

he had 0 arguments lol, he claims you need circular for everything, he is way too biased

[@saturnamused2434]

@@gasmeister467 mathmech on its own was stable it isn’t simply circular or die it’s very durable and can play sometimes without it

[@gasmeister467]

@@saturnamused2434 i can name you 5 different combos which one of them includes diametar normal summon with a 1 exteender mathmech, handtrap + paralel exceed and firewall defenser combo. Videos like these totally ruins the integrity of his content. Why would i listen to his advice on meta when he makes low effort videos with horrible takes like these? And he wasnt even joking which is the best part

[@saturnamused2434]

@@gasmeister467 lmao yeah exactly the deck isn’t linear it genuinely has a lot of fun stuff you can do it’s just an overhated for no genuine reason

[@grummelcramer7554]

"One card doing way to much is a very cybers kinda thing" Yes it is almost like 1 card combo is the expected standard for decks today. If you want examples for these cards: superheavy samurai prodigy wakaushi, Branded fusion, Generaider Boss Stage, Swordsoul Mo ye,... Just like a Mo Ye will make 2 Synchros, Circular makes 1 Link monster + superfactorial II think it is more of a problem of oversaturation. With every cybers deck using the same extra deck extenders, people get bored of seeing them.

[@freddief8253]

How do you feel about circular putting 2 bodies on board which then become 3 which climb to Accesscode compared to say spright blue or wakaushi or any other 1 card combo piece putting enough material on board to make a big boss monster? Like yeah Cyberse decks never have 4 different monsters on field but hows that functionally different? If anything it just means holding your imperm/veiler/belle for the Transcode is a far harder chokepoint than a Spright deck just summoning another material from hand and still having 3 other bodies on field when you hit their Gigantic. And it's easier to just veiler the 5300 Accesscode with 2 attacks than it is to interrupt 4 different monsters all of which provide a threat

[@regooddevil]

Exactly. If anything Cyberse decks are better because hand traps actually get value when using them. That’s why I hate Spright so much is because people say they love it and it has so many problems associated with it that are neglected.

[@taznx1509]

SHS is a problem. I think pretty much everyone would agree that one card getting you 2 omni-negates and 4 monster negates is bad design, but Spright is a very different deck. The goal for Cyberse decks going first is to combo off of one card into a decent, hyper consistent board that can be paired with an extreme amount of non-engine to secure a Accesscode OTK the following turn. Going second, it’s just the Accesscode OTK, again off of one card. Every time. Spright just tries to generate as much advantage as possible to run you out of resources over several turns. It’s endboards vary depending on what deck it’s up against, the interactions it offers aren’t oppressive (just a couple of negates and a banish at maximum), its boards are nowhere near unbreakable, and it doesn’t crush you with overwhelming force if you can’t break the board. Compare that with something like Heatsoul + Superfactorial + 3 to 4 non-engine in hand and the difference is pretty clear. I think what gets a lot of people confused is that this is a discussion of design, not strength. Spright in its prime is stronger than Mathmech, no question. But Mathmech is a much more boring, and in most cases, frustrating deck to play against. Similar to how Dark World is a nightmarishly bad deck from a design standpoint but doesn’t see as much success as most other decks.

[@protobass0451]

Agreed, in a tournament i played against 3 cyberse decks (code talkers, mathmech, salamangreat) while I played dinobricks. Open with lith and pop 2 earth, they were all using accesscode so I banished their OTK monsters.The game got too slow when I couldn't follow my play, and the only one who endured the long game was salamangreat. Playing against them only affirms my hate to 1 card combo decks

[@Al-tanin]

i think branded on release is the perfect competitive deck. Very strong but fair, not too linear not too complex, and most of all, interactive.

[@justice8718]

Branded feels like one of the few decks that go with how Yugioh was envisioned with powerful iconic monsters and a great mix of spells and traps to go along it.

[@1pachuca1]

All I heard was " mathmech is a great deck if you want to win" 😂

[@VuDude17]

I really hate how branded fusion just summons a big body for basically free by using materials from almost anywhere. Imagine if i had a spell card that allowed me to go into accesscode talker with materials from my deck.

[@arc7xangel897]

Exactly, modern Yu-Gi-Oh is basically universal at this point with card design. Decks do the same shit in different ways.

[@babrad]

"You can only summon fusions from the extra this turn" "You can only attack with 1 monster" / "you can only use cyberse this turn" (only transcode locks the entire turn) Fusion/Ritual are so resource-draining by design that you cannot make them remotely viable without "cheating". Instead of 1 monster link climbing to infinity, while generating its own resources to perpetually fuel the link summons, in Fusion you typically invest at least 3 cards and hope for the best. Rituals have it even harder by requiring even the end goal to be in hand. What made Shaddoll (later Branded) and Drytron successful is "cheating" their own mechanic, and I dare say they wouldn't be remotely meta if they didn't have that built-in, but instead relied on the typical way such decks work.

[@AnRuixuan]

These are not really similar scenarios. If there was a Spell that let you summon Accesscode using monsters from deck, either no one would play it because it's less efficient than the current way to vomit out Accesscode (plus you need to set up your GY with other Links for Accesscode to be beneficial at all), or the card would be so broken that Branded Fusion would look terrible in comparison (ex: sending cards from Extra Deck as material). You'd have to run 3 of that Spell, plus a bunch of ways to search for that Spell, which takes up a lot of room in your main deck that is unnecessary bc of Link deck's current game plan. Link spam decks skirt all of those issues by relying more on the Extra Deck which is way more easily accessible and less counter-able, and all they need to do is rely on a single monster to get them going. All of that gives them way more room in the main deck for handtraps, tech cards, board breakers, or whatever else they need to counter decks, instead of having to spend so much space on engine.

[@FrankOcean--]

Combine mostly one card combos, generic link monsters that extend your link climbing for free (or even worse, lock you into cyberse, like if that is gonna matter somehow), combine that most cyberse links are different attributes, combine transcode and update jammer and boom you have a cyberse deck, literally every time i play against a matchmech player i snore. Also add to it that they play tons of handtraps, I've had a game where this guy used gamma, ash, imperm, droll and next turn "activate circular effect"

[@Vlauer94]

Shoutout to the mad lad who topdecked Circular vs you in the recent nationals

[@grimmreaper6354]

it's so funny to me when people want access banned when jammer + transcode is an otk in itself like how is every single deck for an entire type playing 8+ of the same extradeck cards it's a clear sign of horrendous game design

[@arayaerial]

Consider our offer Josh, 4k Subs for playing Mathmech in Nat seasons 👀

[@JoshuaSchmidtYGO]

declined

[@arayaerial]

@@JoshuaSchmidtYGO Noooo

[@ratioed1438]

MATHMECH CIRCULAR IS RAPIDLY APPROACHING YOUR LOCATION

[@nickonline5462]

Relying on Mathmech Circular is bad but you're okay with SHS having 12+ 1 card full combo starters? This just doesn't make sense

[@JoshuaSchmidtYGO]

who said I was okay with that? We making stuff up now as we please?

[@CSCH69]

math can make otk with 1 Card. has all the Power spells and traps and doesnt Lose to droll/dark ruler

[@arc7xangel897]

​@@CSCH69 Dude math loses hard to droll and with everything you said the deck has never won anything outside of a regional. People seem to overrate their personal pet peeves to format warping issues in this game.

[@summonstormx]

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[@xyelsha5363]

Could not agree more, I don't mind most cyberse cards themselves but the fact they can be just 1 card stun combos that exclusively go for the Accesscode OTK next turn (with the exception of marincess) is so boring. And it won't get better because of The new link 5 firewall the access otk becomes "neo terahertz otk".

[@tommoex]

I'm glad someone brought up link climbing, it also means a big part of the extra deck has to be those cards and imo it also makes the rest of the extra deck type cards weaker. Why play synchros when they all require a tuner and another monster when you can play a link climb, I personally don't like the one card requirement extra deck cards, it's like releasing a synchro which requires 1 tuner only on its requirements and they usually have an effect to lead to more.

[@Jrpg_guy]

Well, thats a problem of design really, that each new summoning mechanic in yu gi oh got easier and easier

[@IWinY0UL0se]

So you would rather have more bad cards for potentially strong archetypes? All I’m really getting from this video.

[@alejandrolobatocantos8401]

Pak posting a mathemch deck profile at the same time can't be a coincidence

[@MangoMorto]

playing mathmechs feels like playing ygo in tutorial mode, you always do the same combo going 1st, the same accesscode line going 2nd and play a bunch of random hand traps

[@arc7xangel897]

I'd say that's a modern Yu-Gi-Oh issue not cyberse specifically.Many decks have been made relevant by one card. One card engines like prankids and invoked or one card additions like spyral double helix did the same yet at a higher level, as they were format warping. Mathmech itself does decently at the regional level and hasn't won a major despite circular or any other support. Support that I would add haven't made the deck any better tbh. It also seems to get out classed by Super heavy Samurai as far as a combo deck is concerned.

[@pableitor2009]

I feel the same with pendulums. For the longest time, it doesn't matter what new pend deck came out, they all were decks that focused on ending with 5+ negates. Even to this day, new pendulum decks don't have any kind of personality. Even if solfachord or Valyantz have unique mechanics at the end of the day they just combo for 20 minutes to end on the same freaking field as every other pend deck bar 1 card at most. But my personal ranter aside, I'm with you that cyberse link climb is waaaay to common. It's stupid to think that most if not all cyberse decks that are meta relevant is because they have 10 diferent 1 card link climber into their boss monster/main setup. If splash mage already exists, why create so many other cyberse link2 that also revive from GY?

[@WyvernCrest]

I mean, I kinda see what he's getting at. My favorite and main deck rn is Branded Despia. I like a deck that can last past turn 3 and isn't focused on hyper combos to make unbreakable boards or a floodgate type board. (Before you ask, I hate Expulsion and the new Albion fusion too since it promotes a unhealthy playstyle) But admittedly, the deck lives and dies depending on whenever or not you have and can resolve Branded Fusion. I don't like it when a archtype is dependant on a single card and they lose hard when don't have that card. Because nowadays every new support a 1card deck gets revolves around that 1 power card. I would much rather have Branded in Red style support than even more ways to search Branded Fusion. Give me ways to play without having to rely on 1 super over the top power card a.k.a Circular. That's my 2 cents. I don't expect alot people to read this long winded rant of mine 😅

[@richardmorton374]

This is why I like most of the Abyss lore decks. None of them are massive combo decks, they don't end on huge negate boards, and they have weaknesses that hinder them, ranging from slight to turn ending.

[@isaiahpeart9693]

Ive always considered Cyberse as something of a glass cannon and a great example as to why hand traps are needed 😂😂😂

[@otterfire4712]

Cyberse is if Yusei's synchro deck became its own type and extra deck type, and they made them even more consistent. Take Link Climbing and look at what Synchrons do (with or without Junk Speeder) and you'll see the similarities. Starts with low levels and builds its way up to high level boss monsters.

[@gabrielarocena3074]

Heck even Yusaku/Playmaker feels like Yusei 2.0 at times in the show. The only reason why he is soo bland is Vrains is that the rest of the cast isn't compelling enough to keep the show going with maybe Revolver.

[@dannylongfellow]

The problem I have with cyberse decks is that they all revolve around the same cards, even if they archetypes are completely different. If a cyberse deck is going for game, regardless of what deck they actually are printed as, they will always go splash mage/transcode + update jammer to accesscode otk on turn 2 or 3. I think that cyberse decks have a lot going for them, but if they didn't have a generic 1 or 2 card combo enablers to guarantee lethal, I would be a lot happier, especially since that would let the in-archetype gane enders get more time in the sun, auch as Decode Talker Inverted, Salamangreat Pyro Phoenix, and Mathmech Final Sigma, all of which are completely unusable because accesscode is way too accessable and generic and outclasses them in every way.

[@GizmekGalaxy]

Looking forward to the “but what about x?” defense squad’s presence to grace this video in defense of Mathmech kek.

[@A.kil0]

Meanwhile in the real world Kashtira players are banishing from the extra deck and locking entire fields, purrely players are creating towers, superheavy creating unbreakable boards

[@milesandrews6711]

Yeah it seems ridiculous complaining about mathmech doing this stuff when in reality everything around it is basically doing the same thing Mathmech as a deck is unfair because it needs to be in order to survive in modern Yu-Gi-Oh If your deck dosent go plus a million in your turn and your opponents turn then it's setup combo has to win the game

[@incredibledn]

hates mathmech but likes runick

[@jumpiestaman100]

The argument on one card being the requirement to make the deck good is so on-point. Obviously, this is due to sheer powercreep, and how older cards won't generally be as good, and new support needs to be busted to make those legacy decks usable (e.g. before Exosister Martha, Returnia and Magnifica, Exosisters were outright unplayable). Going forward, I'd hope Konami would make every new archetype good, rather than making them mediocre (e.g. Rescue-Ace), but only making them good, if not usable, in some later set with new support.

[@davidmorrison8658]

Based take on Marincess, deck is designed beautifully and will always be viable in the competitive sphere.

[@tadde98]

Oh no anyways, circular effect do you have any response ? :)

[@reisen9584]

isn't marincess the same as mathmec? why diff? It ends on a tower if uninterrupted + at least monster negates on hand. Not including handtraps. You should change marincess to evil twin. Although that deck now isn't a cyberse but more like a spright card

[@esrohm6460]

it's funny that the only good feeling cybers decks are the 2 that lock you into an attribute preventing you from using other the other links that are all over the place with attributes. but the really question is wouldn't this argumentation also apply to dragon. the dragon type really has just become play all of the best dragons and dragon support cards printed to end on an auto win board. and dragon really is the only other type that has this play pattern with the one difference to cyberse being that cyberse pretends to be different archetypes but then plays 90% of the same main deck and 99% extra deck cards.

[@autobotstarscream765]

Dragon has had this problem since like 2010 if not earlier. 😂

[@esrohm6460]

@@autobotstarscream765 i mean yeah they created an entire new type just so they can print dragons without them working with every dragon card in existence but no one ever takes about how dragons are just a glorified archetype

[@crazyvalman]

I'm note sure about the Circular argument. Every deck has like 1 or 2 cards that are mandatory to the strategy to do anything. If Salam has no access to Gazelle, it loses. It @Ignister has no access to the field spell, it loses. If Mannadium has no access to Visas, it loses. If Bystials has no access to Lubellion, it loses. If Superheavy Samuraïs has no access to Wakauchi, it loses. If Sky Striker has no access to a Sky Monster, it loses. If Kashtira has no access to Unicorn/Fenrir, it loses. If Invoked has no access to Aleister, it loses. If Branded has no access to Branded Fusion, it loses ... Etc etc Your other arguments, i agree with. I'm a huge Mathmech player, but summoning Accesscode never feels good. It's lame af.

[@MasStoryGamer]

The "Mathmech Circular" syndrome is more than just "1-2 cards that are mandatory". It's usually legacy support, or second wave support at least, that is so absolutely busted that it MUST resolve in order for the deck to be competitively tiered. I don't know enough about Gazelle, but back in TOSS Format where it was limited and people ran 3 desires, banishing it can still lead to playable boards. @Ignister is not competitively viable, with or without field. Ditto Mannadium. Bystial is still playable as mini-engine even after Lubellion being limited in the OCG. Wakaushi is absolutely Circular Syndrome and shouldn't exist either. Sky Striker with no Raye was playable in Attribute 4. Not to mention Hornet Drones and Linkage allowing access to the ED monsters. The best thing about Linkage is that it's not Circular-level busted but still very good and integral to the deck. Kashtira starters are wave 1 support, as starters often are. Ditto Aleister. Branded Fusion is kinda similar to Circular in that it's released later and must go through most of the time, but it was limited in the OCG and the deck performs fine. Joshua even commented that if that's the case, then there might be a world where Branded Fusion is banned and the deck will still be fine. Of course all decks have starter cards that must resolve in order to function, but if those starters have been there since the beginning then they're part of the deck's identity instead of something Konami print explicitly to make that deck competitive. Another one of these Circular-like starter that hasn't been mentioned? Exosister Martha. Deck was unplayable then suddenly it becomes a 1.5 card combo deck. In the OCG, Branded Fusion at 1 doesn't kill Branded. Runick Fountain at 2 doesn't kill Runick. The same might not necessarily be true for Circular or Martha.

[@IrooYGO]

yea i understand that opressiv 1 card combos that play for 10 min are a real problem with cybers decks and make the games somethimes realy feel very unfai. so anyway activate spright starter summon blue, search jet.......

[@Altarie-l]

The thing is I understand, but code talker is my favorite archetype and I can’t be objective about the iblee lock with 14 extra deck monsters used and a U link + 2 monsters, it’s my loved archetype and i Cant get over it

[@RenegadeRacoon]

"Exosisters Martha eating popcorns silently" Still Martha isn't as broken as mathmech circular

[@arc7xangel897]

Yet Exosister has more YCS tops and Actually has won a major. Unlike Mathmech.

[@BratShemi]

But exosister has 10 good cards and Mathmech has 2 or 3 tops including diameter

[@RenegadeRacoon]

@@BratShemi I wouldn't say that, most exosisters lines force you to go in archetype only, with mathmech you most of the times may use any cyberse monster, more generic things to do.

[@milesandrews6711]

​@@BratShemi saying exosister has 10 good cards is one hell of a stretch The whole deck is basically Martha, returnia, occasionally vadis and then mikailis and magnifica in the extra

[@CorvusCoraxPodcast]

Do we also dislike the twins because one twin equals a Link 4?

[@milesandrews6711]

Or spright blue which ends in a link 2, monster/spell negate plus a non target banish just by summoning it out with starter

[@harrycrosswell2844]

I just came across this video after losing to mathmech and I was ranting to myself about every issue presented here afterwards. My rage feels vindicated :D

[@enjoyablechaos505]

In my opinion, single cards carrying a deck is fine as long as it’s combined with something interesting. No one’s happy if you get circular plus 3 hand traps but if you use those cards for something interesting (e.g libromancers), it makes much more diverse and high skill decks

[@Giant_O]

As someone who played mathmechs before circular was released, and liked that they actually wanted to do Synchros and Xyzs and not just link-climb like any other cybers deck: I think Circular should have just locked you out of Link summoning for the rest of the turn.

[@travisdinham6084]

And continuing being shit to make other persons happy 👍 no thank you

[@Lulu-ew7oh]

They still do those plays are y’all mad that a typing is taking advantages of it tools 😂

[@99099]

As a fellow mathmech hater, it is so nice to have someone agree with me

[@Terwano]

When you sit through a salamangreat combo, then halfway through "Circular jumpscare" lol.

[@Littyagain97]

I mean every deck has a card that they need to be able to play easy example branded, so this doesnt make sense at all

[@iceman9479440]

Marincess laughs in diabolic tone*

[@Mariyan6006]

Well, as "Marincess player", I do find frustrating to just haha you combo of for like 10 mins and then just Kaiju/Rock me, while I'm locked into Water, meanwhile Circular just autopilot the deck by its own without even needed to NS, which is another problem with Marincess. Ok let them have it like option, but why no some kind of restric. Branded are same thing, just Branded Fusion, into whatever their board is nowdays..

[@Matcha_cakes]

funny enough, this video was recommended to me right next to Pak's mathmech deck profile

[@chefknv3858]

I find it very funny that a “pro” yugioh player complained for 10 minutes about a deck that literally dies from one Bystial. Someone is very salty that their god-kissed spright deck lost vs heatsoul pass :)))

[@speedsonic292]

Same with Adamancipator and block dragon. You wait 7 minutes for their turn to go and they get Apollusa, Savage Dragon, Dragite, I:P and maybe even a Baronne with a imperm. Seriously you just scoop because its ridiculous to try to even get around that.

[@timwalker510]

Spot the cyberse fan: But it’s cool for Kash to play a really long turn 1 locking every zone you have and if they leave a zone can just banish anything you play 🙃

[@stuckmeister7750]

I dont really think the problem with mathmech is that the turns are too long, it's not like shs or anything. Similarly, kash turns are not very long on average.

[@amethonys2798]

Except Kash is fragile af and loses to Book of Moon or actually ANY board breaker besides Droplet. Mathmech runs like 20 handtraps and still has enough extenders to play through interruption and go "hey I got 2-3 monsters to stick so take 10600 damage"

[@deadleftolaf3361]

I don't think, he ever saied, that Kash is fun either

[@matthewradabaugh1635]

The difference is that kashtira is reasonably hit By hand traps and can’t play too many of their own. This means that the full combo lock is only really doable in like 1/20 games. This is compared to mathmech being able to full combo and have 3 hand traps in reserve.

[@saturnamused2434]

@@matthewradabaugh1635 same could be said with super heavy and yet nobody is complaining about that archetype even though it’s a tier one deck compared to mathmechs which are tier two

[@gelatinaotaku2205]

As a mathmech entusaist, I feel your arguments are very true

[@generalistvibe3279]

The remix of the Lavender Town theme at the end fucking slaps

[@KSNaethos]

Joshua Schmidt would be the type of person who would do a yugioh anime tier list on stream and put Vrains at the bottom because Cyberse exists 😀

[@Tokumastu1]

Marincess being different from other cyberse decks? Marincess is basically the waifu pallet swap of @ignister. Both kick start their plays from one card, both search out most of their main deck cards in one turn, both use most of their extra deck to link climb, both are heavily reliant on their field spell, both end on a towers with a negate at the ready and both instantly scoop the minute they get kaijud cause they got no comback and will more than likely get otkd.

[@Neverbloom]

Aqua Lock makes them unable to Access Jammer OTK I guess. I don't agree with Josh. Marincess is just as bad as the others. I don't like Salad but it's literally the one unique Cyberse deck.

[@Tokumastu1]

@@Neverbloom They may not have be able to go into Jammer Access combo, but in everything else it really is just alt-Iginister. Salad I just wish had better end board options. It's so dull that their best board is just Wolf with Bagooska, while having a Salad Roar set.

[@trailerpark9911]

I mean... this works for the whole actual meta... if your opponent draws shifter, you lose. If your opponent put baronne/apo/king therion/savage, you lose, and so one... For me , the problem with the actual yugioh, compared to the one i used to competitivly play back in the days (209/2014) is that the game is way too fast, you can put too many big monsters and negates which just fucks the game. Mathmech resume what the game is atm. Mathmech ain't the problem. The problem is the ay Konami thinks the game. I miss my Lightsworm/beast glad games.

[@LILREZY01]

Plant Link is watching from the corner SWEATING lol

[@Soulssl4yer]

I'm trying to remember, but I don't think I recollect a single game vs mathmech my opponent did not open circular

[@GangBangTCG]

Man has a Blue Eyes Chaos Dragon giant card… GG

[@itzoptimal9726]

I had a sneaking suspicion that he hates Mathmech

[@heulg.darian2536]

I stopped an @ignister combo with a book of moon and I had an imperm set. He activated circular, made 2 different pops and then made accesscode for game.

[@sammydray5919]

Basically my issue about Pendulum decks XD

[@Drachei]

I would admit It the hate of mathmechs but then i saw when they were released.... Mathmech didn't changed....the meta did

[@bdc129]

That's exactly the reason why Marincess is the only Cyberse deck I play in both MD and irl. The water restriction saves my favorite deck from turning into Accesscode turbo.