I HATE TikTok - This Ban is INSANE

The US Congress has overwhelmingly voted to ban TikTok from US app stores. Joe Biden says if this passes the Senate he will sign it into law. Many are citing concerns with privacy from the Chinese Govt but many have outlined they want it banned because the believe it has an anti-Israel bias.
In truth, the ban is about the US Govt wanting to have total control over social media, and its far better to have a Zuckerberg monopoly or US businessmen buying TikTok rather than letting it exist as it does today.
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00:04:20 - I hate TikTok but it shouldn't be banned
00:07:20 - US want to stop Israel Criticism
00:11:30 - This is INSANE Hypocrisy
00:18:30 - These people want to buy TikTok
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[@AlzheimersCaretaker]

its amazing that currently, saying "please stop killing civilians" makes you antisemitic and a terrorist sympathizer.

[@RozCannistraro-zd9do]

Those Hasbara lies don't work anymore so get some new material little Himmler wannabe .

[@pickleism253]

@@Steamandstream Then you should call for Ukraine to surrender too

[@peanutsveryepicchannel8699]

@@Steamandstream Source for them basing themselves in schools and hospitals? If it's the terrorist calendar, please reconsider.

[@thesun6211]

Yeah, the "terrorist sympathizer" bit is especially stupid when terrorism is largely defined by indiscriminately killing civilians by non-state militants.

[@Noooiiiissseee]

​​@@Steamandstream Give sources for anything you said. Even IF what you're saying is true, and IT ISN'T, even IF it was, killing tens of thousands of civilians just because Hamas might be hiding amongst them is still completely insane and indefensible. Palestinians are not the ones who should surrender here. They're not the ones who started this. They're not the occupying force in someone else's country. Israel is. This all ends tomorrow if they dissolve their illegitimate country and give Palestine back to the people who've always been there.

[@tylerhackner9731]

I hate TikTok but I hate censorship more. Free Palestine 🇵🇸

[@rcbuggies57]

I hate tiktok and want it to be banned but like also reels and anything else. I just hate how short form content like that is destroying my (and the next generation's) attention span. It's too addicting to just scroll like that.

[@woop6078]

TikTok is destroying generations. It should be banned.

[@GregorMcIntosh]

From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸

[@Dark_Jaguar]

PlayStation? Post Script? That sound people make to attract cats?

[@Iukethegoat]

@@Dark_Jaguar (P)ale(S)tine P.S

[@roystonmason9125]

dark dangler@@Dark_Jaguar

[@lyswenn]

​@@Dark_Jaguaroh if you're on a device that doesn't always show emotes, the Palestinian flag will show up as "PS"

[@Dark_Jaguar]

@@lyswenn I'm on my PC browsing the web in Chrome. Emotes show up when they're properly encoded, but in this case all you did was type PS. That's not going to get converted automatically, so that does explain it.

[@vsmith1688]

I have a very pro Palestinian FYP on TikTok and I have never seen a “pro Hamas” post. The closest you get is people pointing out the fact that the occupation makes the existence of a group like Hamas inevitable.

[@GeteMachine]

They just make any support for Gaza, just Hamas generally.

[@c0Le_sLaw]

it’s almost like??? actions have consequences?????? 🤯

[@Sam1D28]

Yeah, and the fact is, hamas won one election on Palestine in like 2006 (might have been 2004 or 2008). Then, when Palestine (Gaza) wanted to have a new election, I think it was in 2014, Israel made it pretty much impossible. Which meant no real opposition to Hamas. At least, that has been my understanding of it, but I was like 11 in 2014, so I have only read about it recently.

[@aabrightlove]

​@@Sam1D28you have the right of it. Not only that, but Netanyahu has explicity expressed support for Hamas, saying that the continued existence of Hamas is crucial for the continued oppression of Palestinians

[@thewhitefalcon8539]

That's pro Hamas according to the politicians.

[@philippschwarz4539]

"It's Called the American Dream Because You Have To Be Asleep to Believe It" - George Carlin.

[@urahi830]

Yeah Carlin totally sounds like a guy who would have loved tiktok

[@sweariefaerie9621]

​@@urahi830 Honestly, he'd likely have a whole show of tiktok jokes had he lived to see it. But I think he also would have leaned a lot on how much it scares conservatives.

[@djfedora7161]

Or that one conspiracy tik toker

[@wewenang5167]

i hate tiktok but now days this is the only thing that can make young people care about gen-o cide....@@urahi830

[@CC3GROUNDZERO]

@@urahi830 "You got a pencil? Get in there, it's college!"

[@Sam1D28]

My friend said something that really struck with me. She said, and I translate; "If Palestine stopped, there would be no Palestine anymore. If Israel stopped, we would have a cease-fire" I was pro Palestine before, but I am even more so now.

[@Arcananine77]

That is basically a rip-off of something Golda Meir said.

[@Sam1D28]

@Arcananine77 she might have gotten the quote from him, but she didn't say it in English. She did not say it was her quote either. But I heard it from her.

[@GeteMachine]

Man, tired of how much Israel whips American politics like this.

[@RozCannistraro-zd9do]

I remember the absolute sh*it storm over dank Facebook memes that was called "Russian interference " and then our political class turns around and does this insanity and the insanity of the last months , Like the onion couldn't even make this farce up .

[@YoutubeWatcher264]

Yeah, so let a new "master" whip em.

[@sayeedsayeed8720]

BOYCOTT APARTHEID ISRAEL NOW 😊

[@shiba-404]

I hate tiktok, but I hate censorship even more🙁

[@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342]

We want it to suck less, not ruin it for everyone even more! lol

[@paranoiaproductions1221]

@shiba-404 I think we should ban short form content like KZbin shorts or TikTok outright. It's actively harmful to the public. The harms of short form content can't be regulated away and it's way more insidious than regular addicting things.

[@more_less]

@@paranoiaproductions1221 Education rather than banning stuff has always been the superior way of reducing usage of harmful things

[@themaniomarian]

@@more_less Imagine "educating" people that TikTok is harmfull for them, because short form content overloads their gratification system and is addicting. Like how many campaings against smoking and drinking everyone got? People still smoke and drink. I also don't see it as direct censorship. A platform is banned, but you can make pretty much the same content on youtube.

[@tovarischluna]

​@themaniomarian we could just directly censor it the way China does with their version of Tiktok lol. The algorithm is heavily weighted to museum, educational and nature content stuff like that.

[@schildkroete]

I find it really disgusting when politicians talk about the amount of popular support for assisting a genocide as if it needs to be marketed more effectively to the public.

[@YoutubeWatcher264]

Wait, genocide is also happening in China.

[@Tumeq]

@@KZbinWatcher264 Not paid by American taxpayer, at least.

[@YoutubeWatcher264]

@@Tumeq So it is ok?

[@YoutubeWatcher264]

Israelis and Palestinians. These guys are at each others throats for hundreds or thousands of years.

[@YoutubeWatcher264]

@@Tumeq Not funded by american taxpayers really? Just american businesses?

[@kylezo]

old white rich guy: "we really have a gen z problem" Pretty much sums it up

[@MxSamael]

Free free Palestine

[@afterhourscinema782]

"I pledge allegiance to the ADL and the United States of Israel. And to AIPAC for which it stands, 1 nation, under Apartheid, truly divisible, with liberty and justice for none" *- US oath of office*

[@Lumi_Lumi13]

liberty & justice for some, not all***

[@espinita.]

Liberals are gonna think this is antisemitic

[@T.efpunkt]

...with liberty and without liability for the richest 1%.

[@WilliamBrowning]

It's peak insanity for a foreign government to be able to buy American politicians OPENLY!

[@Bewilderebeest]

Here in Canada we have way too many people who will denounce what settler colonialism inflicted upon the Indigenous peoples here … while totally backing Israel. It’s disheartening.

[@RozCannistraro-zd9do]

Its just like both Iraq's and Syria and Afghanistan and Libya ,As a native American I can say its always easy to.launder lies and have people to.believe them cause there's always a barely.hidden huge lump of racism and colonial attitudes right beneath the surface and there's tons of white people who eat it up.like candy .There's a reason why 99.999999 percent of Israel groupies and the people who buy the.lies of those other wars are whiter than wonder bread and its not a good one .

[@mikearchibald744]

I don't see that NEARLY as often as I see the reverse. Most of what I"ve seen are the same hard right wingers who think first nations have had it nothing but easy and shout down any protestors are 'you should go back to where you came from'. Despite the fact that many protesting for palestine are european heritage canadians that have been here for generations. What I find more disheartening is that in many of these cases you can find at protests very clear gender divisions between imperialism and victim and men and women. Just like I've noticed MOST environmental protestors seem to be women.

[@Neilspoint505]

Same thing in Australia

[@carlomariaromano4320]

These people are dishonest, heartless, and without excuses. The massive wrongdoing on ISR's part is no longer hidden, but rather in plain sight.

[@FemmiFatale]

I mean, if the ADL is so worried about pro Palestinian sentiment on tiktok then maybe they should tell the IDF to quit posting their war crimes and their cringe af dance moves.

[@tri3183]

The Chinese government data mining is infinitely less problematic than here, and tik tok doesn't make me pro Palestinian, Israeli and by proxy American war crimes and pro genocide stance sure do.

[@YoutubeWatcher264]

It's not just about data mining. Wonder why Tiktok is banned in China? They have Douyin, their Tiktok version with dumb and stupid videos censored.

[@RozCannistraro-zd9do]

If it isn't Tik Tok its Iran or Iraq or Russia/Cuba/China/Venezuela , These political goons keep throwing out these obscenely racist tropes that blame everybody else for their evil BS and that are straight out of the KKK and reconstruction . "outside agitators " is literally what they go to.over and over and over and its just absurdity at this point but these thugs have no shame .

[@speedyazi5029]

The Chinese government data mining is a concern. But then you realise what the hell Instagram and Facebook are doing. It’s hypocritical! I want privacy and NO CENSORSHIP. But we can’t have both in this world.

[@tri3183]

@@speedyazi5029 Its a concern if you're young enough to where you're susceptible to targeted ads and algorithmic rabbit holes, but China won't use that info to say, put leftist activists on FB1 watchlists which is far more of a concern, personally. But then again I don't use tik tok, but I do youtube and they're filled to the brim with far right propaganda so yeah, its hypocrisy of the highest order.

[@troy5094]

Yeah like by extension fb x ig and yt shorts should all be banned

[@timfrye3586]

Free Palesinte! Free Western Sahara! Free Tamil Eelam! One Irish Nation! Free the working people of the world and end the disease of billionairism!

[@jelly.212]

Never gonna happen

[@maddiepaige715]

@@jelly.212 I'm sure the peasants in France didn't think the monarchy would ever be eliminated either. We out number them and they _know_ their positions of power depend on our acceptance of them.

[@YoutubeWatcher264]

@@maddiepaige715 So end businesses then? Where are we gonna get stuff? Who is gonna pay salary?

[@YoutubeWatcher264]

Free the working people from who? What are they gonna do after they are free from "work"? Who is gonna do the work to make products and services? How are they going to feed?

[@christopherjones9536]

​@@KZbinWatcher264 We will have stuff that we make ourselves. Who needs pay when society doesn't use money anymore? Read something before you make a fool of yourself

[@EbilEnemyofBurgerTown]

Even if TikTok is banned, criticism of Israel will never end.

[@fawnieee]

Why do people think this is to do with criticism and not the fact the American government wants to run tiktok themselves? They literally said the only way it stays is if tiktok is sold?

[@beththebubbly69]

"organizations we've long tracked to be problematic like Students for Justice in Palestine and Jewish Voices for Peace" okay dude sure the people called 'Jewish Voices for Peace' are definitely the aggressors here

[@GamingSkeptic]

It's just a typical power move. The difference is that nowadays they don't care how bad they look to the public. 20 years ago they at least tried to make themselves look like the good guys

[@user-nd2jq6cs6y]

They know a gynocentric society will let them. 304s care way more about Kim K's bowel movements and seeing whose turn it is to get pretzeled by 6'5 Tyrone and Pookie

[@kylezo]

Imagine peeps on Twitter calling another platform antisemitic

[@FaelynDexter]

Just because someone isn't a Zionist, or is Anti-Israel, doesn't mean they are Antisemitic. Just like being Pro-Palestine doesn't make one Pro-Hamas. (Not that I need to tell that to Kavernacle.) I'm Pro- Palestine, I'm 44 (GenX.) I'm still blown away that the US gives Israel so much money when they have free health care and we don't. I'm still not sure why they, Israel, need Iron Dome.

[@Sam1D28]

Yes! I don't support Hamas. I find Hamas horrible. But I am with Palestine (pro a two state solution). Unfortunately, every time something happens between Israel and Palestine, we see an upswing in violence and injustice towards Jewish people in my country (Scandinavian, not american). And I feel like that is wrong because most Jews here are against Israel. Because then we get into antisemitism-territory, when you hate on someone because they are Jewish, not pro Israel.

[@glebglub]

in 1940s terms: Just because someone isn't a Nazi, or is Anti-Nazi-Germany, doesn't mean they are Antieuropean.

[@basquat76]

Silencing Israel criticism, but there is also an upcoming election, and getting rid of social medias does help the right. Don't forget how they flipped out about Taylor Swift and her fans who all exist on tiktok.

[@joeavreg2254]

The "Left" also wants it. No one taking the sweet AIPAC money likes people being able to hear from anyone that doesn't only say what is preapproved by the Ministry of Truth.

[@infinitivez]

Defund Israel Free Palestine

[@nixpkwy]

I am a Zoomer but was always afraid of using TikTok due to the endless scrolling of short videos, which is in every social media at this point. Besides the censorship, I find it really unfair that so much of social media are controlled by US companies. It removes competitiveness and favors the US way to much.

[@mikearchibald744]

Thats kind of the point. You don't actually think google managed to video and map out the entire world by ads on google do you?

[@justamaggot5870]

Why is social media being owned by liberal democracies a "problem" for you? You really prefer an increasingly expansionist dictatorship with a genocide happening within their own borders, have more influence over social media so that they can continue to cover up their genocide and clamp down on dissent against their dictatorship?

[@joeavreg2254]

Nothing worse to the powerful than when people who are meant to have no voice are allowed to be heard.

[@Renegade2786]

The Patriots of America want to censor the net. Damn, I guess no-one saw that coming. *cough* Hideo Kojima *cough*

[@LOL-zu1zr]

Standing here, I realize~😢 U know the most funny thing is hideo kajima isn’t even a good writer and still predicts amaeica😂

[@justamaggot5870]

It's not really censorship to not have an increasingly expansionist dictatorship not have control over one of your most influential social media platforms.

[@MarianneExJohnson]

"Anti-Israel bias" means "doesn't censor pro-Palestinian posts enough," of course. KZbin is a much better citizen in that regard.

[@briannaobrien4419]

From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free. ❤

[@LMG7]

Made me think how the RCMP internally noted that the biggest threat to Canada is the younger generation once the younger generation realizes they've been locked out of a future and will always be a renter and poor

[@maritimeretro2855]

When you realize the ban isn't a ban but a strong arm method designed to acquire a profitable social media platform

[@SpartanJoe193]

Ok. As someone who absolutely despises Tiktok, I think it's time I set aside my hatred for that shitty app for the sake of the fight for Palestine.

[@tohidulislamnahid1818]

You forgot about Facebook's role in Rohingya genocide .

[@_vcctv_]

Free Gaza

[@bzak]

Who said Congress can't get anything done fast? 8 days to get a vote on banning an app

[@NoGoodLib]

The best thing I have heard about this is "why would I care about China having my data? They arent my government? I care about the US having my data, they can actually do something to me."

[@LOL-zu1zr]

Comrade Xi is going to force choke you through tik tok bro

[@GudetamaSit]

Like, I'm not huge on short form content or it being owned by a company that's potentially under the thumb of the CCP. But still, I would be a hypocrite to call for it's ban when giant corporations like META exist and it gets much less flak comparitively. Only a couple minutes in and you make the same point, only with skepticism towards China's access. Great stuff Kav, and I didn't even consider how this could have been pushed to shut down criticism of Israel.

[@Virjunior01]

How could you not? The best source of evidence against Israel has been their own IOF psychos incessantly posting dance videos, theft, kidnapping and congratulating each other for murder of the unarmed. This is the FIRST place my mind went, considering this Tiktok ban was basically a non-starter over a year ago.

[@MikuHatsune159]

Right? Like anyone who kept their ears open knows that FB was the platform that blew the lid with the fact that they are listening to us and using our information, yet it lives to this day. I also saw there's a new settlement lawsuit in progress on false advertising after using real people's images and likeness. I'd say it would be best if we could shut all these down, but it's not that simple....not nearly a magical fix.

[@justamaggot5870]

It's not hypocritical to prefer a liberal democracy have your data over an increasingly expansionist dictatorship that is committing genocide within its own borders and censoring it to a far greater degree than any censorship that might possibly exist in the US.

[@TheUglyPants]

It’s that sweet sweet AIPAC money.

[@monophthalmus3254]

Did not know that China was just used as a smokescreen.

[@afterhourscinema782]

*Israel:* "We have a Tik Tok problem" *Congress:* "Yessuh massa boss!! We'll ban it right away!!"

[@darksaint0124]

This is dumb and reductive. Why are you trying to act like the head of the beast is somehow being led? This is utterly misinformed. The US government was going after TikTok far longer than this bill.

[@YoutubeWatcher264]

Tiktok ban, which is not even a ban more like force sell is not about Israel.

[@divergentdissent]

Pretty sure the guy from the intercept was like “where will Israelis record their war crimes”

[@ivorywings6094]

I don't understand the narrative of people hating Tik-Tok. I've learned a lot from small and large creators on there, just as I have on KZbin. It's easier to find certain communities on their algorithm than it is on KZbin most of the time. Short form content can be really creative and I don't understand the narrative of "Oh, short form content is bad, but Vine was good." That's very contradictory.

[@hazelnuiit]

I agree. It's strange to hate tiktok by saying xyz as if these problems don't exist on other platforms including yt. The common denominator for the root of these problems is self-regulation/discipline and responsibility. Balance is key. Everyone complaining about misinformation and tiktok dances being the only thing on the platform needs to keep in mind that the fyp algorithm reflects on how the user develops it. One person's feed can differ drastically from another. If you only look for those things, it will keep showing those things specifically. It's like only watching news coverage of the worst crimes documented and going out into the world thinking that's the reality with no nuance. It's like how Instagram was demonized for only showing hot people and making people miserable, but my short time with that platform was mostly around artists I followed so I never even encountered that problem. This argument can be made with any platform whether it's Twitter, Tumblr, or FB etc. Also, screen time and attention span is a problem that was going to eventually develop alongside any technology. tt is just people's favored drug of choice.

[@Askingly]

TikTok great for hearing for lived experience in areas that effect me or in providing awareness & voices to others lived experiences. Its algorithm is much better at feeding me content of interest. YT requires more investment of time & knowledgeable in content creation and understanding how it works. This is great for some content, but it doesn’t give space for the diversity of lived experiences I hear on TT. These also don’t need to be long form.

[@MikuHatsune159]

It's the same critique on every platform to exist ever that deals with more than simply just enjoying arts for leisure. There's a handful of contentious or harmful content and the algorithms push it directly to whoever it reflects and also general public since it gets the most attention whether good or bad. YT as a platform was definitely shit back then when I started in 2009, but I swear I had more options of video content to try listening to on any refresh. It gave me more information and experience to build off of then it did now with modern algorithm systems.

[@justamaggot5870]

The issue is that it's used by an increasingly expansionist dictatorship that is currently committing genocide within its own borders and censoring information about it. The influence over you may be subtle, but when used by millions of people ... well... you can see how it can be a problem. There is after all a reason why youtube and tiktok creators are called "influences". The type of media you consume can definitely shape your opinions and beliefs and it can be done imperceptibly over time. Why would we want dictators to have that power over a liberal democracy? You can question how liberal or democratic the US is but at the end of the day try posting criticism of the government in the US vs in almost any dictatorship and see how it works out.

[@beanpasteposts]

A short form content platform like TikTok is incredible for indie animators.

[@maxtornogood]

I'm not a TikTok person but I'm all for people using what they enjoy!

[@drugsdelaney2907]

Seems like the free flow of information is threatening someone’s holdings.

[@user-nd2jq6cs6y]

I absolutely despise tiktok....but i despise censorship more

[@vodkalatke]

Steve Mnuchin is also a film producer, has produced many films such as Mad Max Fury Road, he's actively involved in the biggest media manipulation industry: Hollywood. Wanting to control social media is an extension of that. Honestly seeing people's brains get blitzed into a paste watching tiktok after tiktok does make me wish for a world without it, but not due to gov censorship obviously. Being on the back of the bus and watching everyone scroll endlessly, just completely short circuiting their attention spans, it's extremely depressing.

[@Dark_Jaguar]

And that's why I push Mastadon... because no one person CAN own it.

[@Internetuser435]

interesting

[@ghidxrah2102]

If bare bones information on Israel turns people against Israel it isn't tiktok's fault

[@GothMusicLatinAmerica]

There are valid critiques to be made of how misinformation spreads on social media, but they wouldn't be singling out TikTok if that were the concern. Similarly, if they are worried about personal information being accessed on a "Chinese app," why wouldn't they ban Temu?

[@Abshir1it1is]

“We saw a dramatic change in the language of activists here in America on Oct8. The language of groups we’ve long tracked, who’ve long been problematic. Like Students for Justice in Palestine and Jewish Voices for Peace.” There’s nothing a zionist hates more than justice in Palestine or Jewish voices who call out for peace. That is very telling.

[@matthewhein9012]

It’s crazy that people want your content to be shorter. That’s the main reason why I’ve never used TikTok.

[@jesseb4503]

Thanks!

[@TheKavernacle]

Wow so kind of you thanks so much Jesse!

[@Rexorazor]

I used to hate tiktok, now i absolutely love it. Thanks government, you made love Islam and now you made me love TikTok.

[@marvinparadroid]

I don’ t know if is just me, but you are one of the few people treating this subject from this perspective. Very good.

[@user-kp8um6yt8j]

11:58 that audio clip is startling in a number of ways

[@BlueBeetle1939]

So much for the free market

[@RozCannistraro-zd9do]

They never believed in any of that BS anyways so.they won't be embarrassed by the Titanic hypocrisy .

[@emolawolf]

The argument that Tiktok has devastating effects on attention span is so disingenuous... Humans always had short attention span for daily entertainment. That's why tv shows had 30-45 min episodes with plot so simple that you could miss half of the episode and still enjoy it with none to little confusion about what's going on. It just that EVERYTHING besides social media posts and anime got longer. Before standard for movies was 1h45min, now finding even a 2h movie is a challenge. Same with animated movies. Before, the max was 1h30min, now almost all of them are closer to 2h. Shows? Before 30-45min, rarely 1h for very important episodes. Now every episode is the same length as a full fledge movie... With youtube going to shit and anime being not accessible, it's natural that we became obsessed with tiktok. Besides... Vine was also huge back in the day, so let's not act like tiktok is the first of its kind.

[@jhh2001]

Thanks for posting this

[@MTHSLH482]

bro you'd be perfect on the Deproggram. when are you gonna come on??

[@stillwaitingforblackmetalr2503]

Something I praise TikTok for (not the platform itself, or the format) is how big of an impact it had on Communists in Brazil. It's really what's turning the tide against the right with young people. Fact is, younger people are predominantly on TikTok, and the algorithm is much less controlled against leftists and anti-imperialist content. So if you want to reach the youth, and have an impact on their political path, TikTok is where it's at.

[@50-50_Grind]

🎶 Hegemony ... über alles. 🎵 🎼 Über alles ... 'Murican hegemony.

[@nyalih929]

One thing I respect about The Kavernacle and other gen-z leftists is that they have seen previous generations dilly dally and over-explain their beliefs and politics and decided that they are not going in that direction. It's important to be clear with your beliefs.

[@EricaBassi99]

Great analysis

[@Nahwhahamathayin-197]

why doesn't the government control KZbin, Google, Yahoo or even NextDoor app

[@specificityarchives9920]

America is a few years away from incorporating Mandatory National Service.

[@lillywho]

Actually, from what I've read in technical circles, TikTok does massively datamine, and control discourse by biasing the algorithm. That doesn't mean that a ban is a good idea because it's a dangerous precedent, however I do see validity in the political concerns of manipulating its users. Facebook has very much done the same with Cambridge Analytica and such.

[@GeteMachine]

Facebook does that. And Twitter right now has pretty overt algorithm manipulation for the far right.

[@kylezo]

Yes well that's the game isn't it, this is a much bigger and more egregious issue amongst domestic juggernauts like meta. Why do you think there's all these lies about china and TikTok if Facebook is much worse?

[@nimrodery]

Would you like a list of American data brokers?

[@franjkav]

Do you think TikTok datamines more than other sites or something? Do you use Chrome…because Google is collecting your data from its services and accessing data saved in your browser for other sites…hope you haven’t looked at GMaps near an abortion clinic…

[@justamaggot5870]

@@GeteMachine The difference is that Facebook and YT aren't used by an increasingly expansionist dictatorship that is currently committing genocide within its own borders and censoring information about it. (With Twitter, I may agree with you because of Elon). The influence over you may be subtle, but when used by millions of people ... well... you can see how it can be a problem. There is after all a reason why youtube and tiktok creators are called "influences". The type of media you consume can definitely shape your opinions and beliefs and it can be done imperceptibly over time. Why would we want dictators to have that power over a liberal democracy? You can question how liberal or democratic the US is but at the end of the day try posting criticism of the government in the US vs in almost any dictatorship and see how it works out.

[@rickybobby5153]

@3:00 Didn’t the ADF literally say twitter promotes antisemitism like a year ago?

[@paulsmart4672]

It still does. But it promotes antisemitism and Zionism at the same time, now, so they don't care anymore.

[@user-vx9zi6bx9k]

Free Free Palestine 🫶🏽🕊️🌍🇵🇸

[@GBomb9704]

At first I was in favour of this because I hated TikTok as much as any moral person should, but delving deeper into what type of precedent this could set for the internet, this ban should be lifted because f@ck censorship!

[@jacksmith-mu3ee]

Sad that we can't even protest out

[@neilz.]

Well lookie here bois, get some meta stocks; and let's get the tok banned.

[@alephmale3171]

Unironically yes

[@Virjunior01]

Gamestop this shit

[@christopherburgess2170]

TikTok is important for info sharing faster than the news

[@Berry_N]

Great points about attention span, i see the issue with my students. I won't watch any YT shorts because of their impact on the brain.

[@bruisedviolets]

I love long form content, I personally tend to click on vids that are 20mins at least 45 plus is even better

[@mopo3210]

Tik tak toe. A winner. A winner

[@ThatWolfArrow]

That pelosi quote gives "pokemon go to the polls" vibes.

[@Dave102693]

@@ThatWolfArrow Because it is

[@ctnke]

@@ThatWolfArrowthat quote was by hillary

[@MarcillaSmith]

What is even the link between TikTok and tic tac toe besides Tik and tic are homophones? TikTok is like the tick tock of a mechanical clock, isn't it?

[@ThatWolfArrow]

@@ctnke Yeah. I was referencing how that quote and has a similar "out of touch with the youth" feel.

[@natas12rm]

I hate KZbin. Try putting the number of women and children gone and call it the M word and every comment gets deleted. I’ve never seen KZbin this bad. 75% of my comments get deleted. It’s insane

[@LocoPoco-jk4gw]

China said they ain't selling so they can forget it.

[@Sami-tz4pu]

I hate TikTok and all social media always same videos. Same comments . New cringey trends

[@MichaelFowler-bu3fd]

Social media is toxic. I leave comments on videos but I turn off notifications and never check for replies. I just want to write out my opinion and walk away. Don’t need to have any discussion with strangers on the internet.

[@gelthegemini]

FREE PALESTINE 🇵🇸🍉

[@Grim_Azrael]

Those who remain silent about the Genocide in Gaza would likely have remained silent during the atrocities committed by the Nazis against minorities in 1943.

[@PossumMedic]

11:59 - old man yells at clouds

[@dagfinissocool]

what can you do on tiktok that you can't do on shorts or reels?

[@Adam-tn7yk]

I watch your content with the speed on X2. Give the rants much more energy, lol.

[@kenpatchiramasama1076]

once bluesky gets video functionality then we dont gotta worry tbh

[@beauhancock4922]

My comment got censored when i made a very good point about the situation... KZbin? Clandestine much???

[@MorbidRexx]

It's crazy how they conflate this idea young people have about Oct 7th and Hamas *having a reason for their actions* as "justification". If you steal your neighbour's dog, trap it in your basement, starve it and beat it regularly and it bites you one day, my take on this situation is "well what did you honestly think would happen?". That is *NOT* justification, that is in an explanation based in cause and effect and it's not the same thing. Justification is about taking a stance of what is "right" or "correct". Everyone in this conflict is to some degree in the wrong(not implying the civilians in Gaza, but specifically Hamas militants on Oct 7th), but without bringing any kind of morality into it, if you treat humans like animals they *will* react. There's simply no other way to look at it.

[@hattree]

To be fair, it's documented that ByteDance is controlled by the CP of China who has an office at their headquarters and they have supplied all requests.

[@iksaglam]

I think I need to stick up for short form content. A cartoonist can sometimes sum up a vastly complicated concept in one frame of drawing. Or a single phrase can bring to sharp focus an issue that a 100 page book could not. Hell E=mc2 is very simple but it's implications are not. Point being, short form has merit and you definetly can use it to say something profound or convey important messages, truths etc. With all things it depends on the quality of the content. Most content on tiktok is probably not good (I would not know since I don't use social media, except KZbin) but that does not mean the format does not have merit. I think there is a place for everything.

[@BlanBonco]

Ted Cruz #2 after Trump due to Facebook & Cambridge Analytica 😂 CCP can't touch that level of mind control. "Land of the free" meet kettle.

[@sneakythumbs9900]

Tic tac toe. It's a winner.

[@vanquish421]

I'm glad the younger generations are pro-Palestine, but it is indeed problematic to get all your news and opinions from Tiktok, or similar. Same as it's problematic for boomers to get all their news and opinions from Facebook. In fact, there was a recent study that showed as a whole, the younger generations believe in more misinformation and disinformation than boomers. Doesnt mean we should ban Tiktok, not at all, but these are problems we need to discuss and resolve.

[@urahi830]

Yeah we went from making fun of idiots getting bullshit spoonfed by fox, to Facebook, to twitter, to tiktok. It's still bullshit and our generation thinks we're immune to it

[@nimrodery]

When it comes to sharing fake news Boomers are far ahead of the other age groups.

[@ivanl.6797]

Tiktok in MX has been crucial to spread news that are not aligned with the "big conservative money". Mainstream media, reflects the far-right sentiments and agenda. It's like an echo of american politics.

[@ankundamwebembezi6358]

Mainstream is still liberal propaganda to Conservatives. Liberals just woke up too late to the reality of fake news being real and still believe what it fed them for the past years

[@anony1596]

4:16- 5:35 I second all of this

[@hughallan1647]

How bad can things be when Bobby Koteck seems like the least bad option. 😂😭😂

[@tovarischluna]

You're right about tiktok being a blight on society, it's funny bc the Chinese made this app for us because they know we love slop. The Chinese version of TikTok I forget what it's called but it's moderated way more heavily and the algo promotes educational content and shit wayyyyyy more 😂

[@nimrodery]

We know we love slop so we also produce that here, in a country free to produce and consume slop. When we promote education here we're accused of having an agenda or "grooming." If the China way is better they do accept immigrants.

[@litttlepigboy]

douyin?

[@LOL-zu1zr]

That is bs as a Chinese I can confirm vast majority of Chinese TikTok is thirst bait and bs misinformation

[@quantafreeze]

Seems pretty clear to me. Good theory.

[@Internetuser435]

Wow, so much for their love of the first amendment 16:55

[@solidsnake1806]

Please do not ever switch to 10 minute videos. KZbin is the last place on the internet where content for people without social media induced brainrot is still being produced daily. I do not even consider watching videos under 20 minutes cause I'm not interested in brief perspectives on things. Y'all people who can't watch a video longer than a few minutes need to understand that there are other channels/platforms that will be more suited to your needs and asking a creator to cater to you specifically is ridiculous.