I Installed SteamVR On A Phone!

[@arminas.kersys]

Actually yes, it Is possible, because I have done it :D kzbin.info/www/bejne/eKW8oHqgpcmLsKM It's on a different phone though. Poco X3 Pro.

[@TheMysticle]

To think all it needed was a processor one generation higher! That's incredible! Did you have to do anything special or did it work just by installing virtual desktop?

[@halal-beef]

@@TheMysticle I think alot of the bad performance comes to the nature of the 845 and windows, no x64 GPU Accel in 845 is probably what is probably making Ur games crash and/or play at terrible performance

[@arminas.kersys]

@@TheMysticle I tried installing Oculus software, and it failed for me as for you too, so I just moved the already installed Oculus software files from my PC to the phone, and launched the Oculus VR server executable along with Virtual Desktop and SteamVR. I also think that x64 emulation played a big role here, since Snapdragon 845 doesn't have x64 emulation, only x86, as 855 processor does have x64 emulation.

[@mcwild11]

Edit: Oculus software is a buggy mess and airlink launches unreal engine, so it can render basic buttons. I wonder why virtual desktop didnt work, my guess is that video routing to vitual device, its compression and transmit over network, relies on win32 system call, that is not implemented in adreno GPU driver. The internal implementation is very close to miracast specification/requirements, that POCO X3pro supports. Not sure if mi8 supports, casting to tv via wifi (not chromecast). Anyway, thanks for eye-opening video, about phone modding I don't know existed. Original: Oooh, I have 3 of POCO X3pro, all rooted. Should I.... .... No, I'm not that bored 😁 But it's tempting, the phone is able to connect (on android image) to: +2displayport screens +audio +1gb lan +charging =on dell usb-c docking station. And the model is around 130$, used, in europe.... Too bad there isn't a WindowsServer on ARM version... ...OR IS THERE?! Gotta go check

[@TheMysticle]

@@mcwild11 You're tempting me, a lot. I might try find one used somewhere. But then there's taxes to pay 😭😭😭😭

[@lukeanimates899]

This is a game changer. Thanks for keeping me updated

[@gordontechreviews]

This was an entertaining video and I'd love to see more. I would say, don't feel pigeon holed into ONLY doing VR news or VR stuff in general. They say as a small channel you want to hyper focus your content on your chosen niche to grow but once you've gained solid footing and a solid audience, as you clearly have, your not hurting your channel by throwing some of these more personal projects in :)

[@kaecatlady]

This was fascinating. Thanks for taking the time to share your process with us.

[@kittens-in-snow]

I loved seeing this, I'm hyped to see more tech content on this channel or a second one!

[@capyvr_]

Clicked on the video faster than my dad when he went to get the milk

[@KClove.]

npc

[@Stormred88]

npc

[@A-gent-e]

Npc lookin ass

[@Dim.inished]

npc

[@Dustygoodz]

😂

[@nushia7192]

Well, if you want that kind of project, you might wanna try using 2 cpus: 1 arm cpu + 1 APU(cpu)[ that has the same capacity of a 3060] = both in a SBC type motherboard, with the 32gb ram sticks + nvme cards for storage. The only thing missing now is a dedicated cooling & power system. Using a tiny version of windows 10/11 then hooking up a quest vr, then you're good to go. The real problem with this is its too expensive since dual cpu boards are kinda hard to find.

[@DevDunkStudio]

Unity also has ARM for windows support on the latest beta. This means many VR projects can get ARM support in 1-2 years (as it right now isn't too stable)

[@hirotwoch.9545]

I love this kind of experiments! Keep it up!

[@camdaboss1008]

This is like your OG videos from the Q1 days. Keep at it 💪

[@andrewstephens7246]

This was actually a really cool video. I just built my own PC so I could kind of follow along with why things were weren't working. Maybe you could look into getting one of those micro PCs. I keep seeing tech KZbinrs make videos about. That would be great for VR stuff. Especially if they are small enough, you could mount them to the head strap of a headset. Watching the video made me wish for a world where Microsoft could make successful Windows phones. But again, if the steam deck or even something like the switch aren't strong enough for a lot of applications than the technology just isn't there yet. But this was such a cool video!

[@SuperDuckyPlaysGames]

If it works, then this is a great step for the vr community

[@TheMysticle]

It does, but it's horrible and 99% of the time it won't launch. You need a more powerful device than one with an 845. Perhaps one with an 888 would work? I'll try get my hands on one.

[@SuperDuckyPlaysGames]

@@TheMysticle Well, lets hope that someone down grades the graphics of SteamVR so you can install it on the Quest 2

[@UnknownVR776]

​@@TheMysticle can it run Samsung galaxy a12?

[@AblissMusic]

As someone that loves tech and does stuff similar to this myself, I think it'd be cool to see more videos like this

[@goop1354]

I would love to see someone try to play a vr game using only the integrated graphics of a phone

[@Dexterity_Boost]

Isnt that just the quest 1 stand alone?

[@SobboMonkeVR]

@@Dexterity_Boost The Quest 1 Used a Qualcomm Snapdragon 835 system-on-chip with Adreno 540.

[@pelago_]

This was a good video, I’ll watch vr-adjacent stuff like this for sure. It helps to pad out the scope of your content, so keep it rolling.

[@Treychik]

this was fun project...I can not imagine how hard it was not to mess up the partitioning...especially on a MI phone...

[@lifeartstudios6207]

I'm way more interested in installing the os that the steam deck has on a phone or tablet now. With the growth of vulkan, flat paks, linux, arm, m2, oryon, xr, etc. I'm very certain we're going to see the lines blurred between pc/phone/tablet/hmd/processing puck. This makes me even more excited for the growth of godot game eninge since it can deploy to any platform period.

[@purlice]

HOLY COW

[@andrecoxa]

Thank you for trying and sharing this. Pretty cool experiment!

[@AngelaLaLa22]

The fact that u put this all together was so impressive. I was nearly blushing!!! Love ur content

[@halfdecent96]

blushing??

[@kittensgalore6945]

@@halfdecent96 no problem with blushing

[@halfdecent96]

@@kittensgalore6945 how tf was he blushing from a dude installing steamvr on his phone though

[@kittensgalore6945]

@@halfdecent96 steamvrsexual. that’s why.

[@halfdecent96]

@@kittensgalore6945 tf

[@nicktheweirdgamer]

This is a surprise, but a welcome one. I like messing around with tech too so this is really dope ngl.

[@dovakeen1179]

I was sad the windows phone failed. Hopefully windows just makes the instillation process easier.

[@ShamanETM]

when looking at RAM on a phone and thinking pocket VR. We need to remember that windows 10 if running at 64bit you have to automatically remove 2gb of Ram from what you get. Then you need to check background processes and see what else is taking up some RAM, You get what is left over for VR.

[@blaineam]

Same channel for tech maybe separate playlist at most would be awesome.

[@smuglife64gaming21]

Thing about arm is that the operating system had to be made specifically for the chip you can't use one OS For Samsung for Motorola

[@ahslee5910]

This type of content is exactly why i followed your Channel please show us more of your experiments :)

[@tutacat]

The point isn't renegade resolution. Basically the display driver doesn't support non-nstive resolutions (it doesnt do scaling) The trick is to do what android does and render a lower resolution but upscale. You lower the render scale in the game without trying to changing the display resolution.

[@hightde13]

Makes me miss windows phones. I wish they hadn't abandoned them.

[@dotails]

Hopefully soon, we need this so we can run steamvr on a pimax crystal for the ultimate standalone. I have a rogphone 7 which is very powerful.

[@Althor413]

Something like this has long been my prediction for XR.. A phone-sized hub that does all the heavy lifting or aggregates it all for cloud processing, and you wear a mesh network of interconnected things that altogether can replace phones, tables, even pcs

[@ministerjlupine8175]

This video was top-tier content.

[@Danny_Dark]

It would be awesome if we could easily connect Dex or Smart View from our phones to Quest 2. I'm sure there is a way, but it would be nice to have a way that you didn't have to jump through hoops to get to work.

[@bensow5491]

i'm interested for this and other themes like this. nice greetz from berlin out of my bigscreen cinematic youtube setting. i love to watch youtube on this way

[@tutacat]

Linux with gamescope FSR might be even better. Also you need to get the game to render SBS to the display, while taking position data from the phone sensors

[@kuromiLayfe]

think with a custom steamVR executable that it would work as the default steamVR has lots of unnecessary processes (same for oculus etc) .. all that is needed is the compositor and drivers for connectivity … no need for the gui / updater / steam library manager etc. .. i think when someone creates a steamVR lite it would work perfectly fine with virtual desktop.

[@Zuggeerr]

This is possible because Microsoft has made several netbooks with the Snapdragon chipset, also providing drivers, which was necessary to allow it to work on other devices, such as phones with the same chip. One of the Chinese modders created an exploit and started the project. However, many functions do not work, e.g. camera, sound, sensors, etc. also often freezes occur and it is not super stable. As for running x86-64 applications, it is possible by Microsoft itself. The only drawback is that applications developed for regular PCs must run in emulation mode, which greatly degrades performance. Of course native arm apps work like on android, there are few in ms store like asphalt. The biggest problem is the drivers for the ARM version of Windows and many devices do not work at all, such as pcvr. I tried this on my oneplus 6t and all I got is adb and sidequest. I've seen more newer and more powerful phones get their support for the renegade project and the performance is impressive.

[@PG13park]

The ring light made your eyes look sus in the thumbnail lol

[@AyaKho]

The CPU is theoretically reasonable for a low-performance gaming system but the real issue for ARM with gaming is software compatibility.

[@Otaxza]

I think that the Redmagic 8 pro would be powerful enough to run windows due to the phone having the Snapdragon 8Gen2 and having a fan built-in to the phone too keep it cool.

[@pixxelpusher]

This is interesting! I guess it shows just how much optimization needs to be made to get games running on Quest devices.

[@vryuki7601]

I love this content, it reminds me of when you where getting minecraft to run natively, pls more.

[@Magidiny123]

Would the 512 gig model of the Samsung Galaxy S21 Ultra with a Qualcomm Snapdragon 888 be able to run this and VRChat fairly smoothly with Virtual Desktop?

[@Projekt_Nightmare]

i say it would be better for a broken phones instead of a brand new phone because you could make a DIY laptop with the broken phone

[@jamesbacon300]

Try putting a false HDMI in the C port. It may help with showing the screen in Virtual Desktop. Considering the basis of said device is to make a pc think there is a screen plugged into the/a hdmi port.

[@futurespin]

Also yes definitely interested in projects like this! I'd love to have one of my spare phones have windows on it. They are all powerful enough so full tutorial yeah coz I will possibly give myself a headache when I miss out something trying to do it myself😂

[@ImmersiveGamer83]

Love this, well done!!

[@TENGILL]

Yes we like this and yes we want to see more!

[@Cr4z3d]

I would like to see it run even older games, which might work well, such as Half-Life, and Quake.

[@JayOhm]

Well, technically not a clickbait, it was never said that SteamVR really *worked* after being installed xD And that UEFI bootloader is some really cool stuff for sure.

[@TENGILL]

So any plans on making videos about the other VR headsets? There is a lot of videos about Metas headset, what about Pico 4?

[@MASTERCRAFT938]

Hello there Mysticle :D

[@TheMysticle]

Hello there :D

[@MASTERCRAFT938]

@@TheMysticle Love your videos. :D

[@DeckyDDeck]

great vid keep it up, you are like my only vr news source !

[@iMatterhorn7]

For other good VR news channels, I recommend Thrillseeker (he does news less frequently than Mysticle) and SteveKnows(he does almost weekly news too and tries out vr games sometimes)!

[@crimsoncuttlefish8842]

I would have gone with a lightweight Linux distro to make it more like the Steam Deck, because the Deck itself has an ARM processor so it's a closer comparison than any Windows device

[@crimsoncuttlefish8842]

And, if you do stay with Windows, use some program like Lossless Scaling to resize games

[@TheTytan007]

I'm sorry to break it to you, but Steam Deck uses AMD chip

[@peaches-kz4hz]

4:18 I really heard that wrong at first 😭

[@yujieting5220]

Try overclock the chip and add a external fan it should be getting the power it need but it will get stress from over heat so try to by pass it

[@kmemz]

One thing you didn't try; a native SteamVR headset. All the failures so far seem to be related to the softwares not finding a familiar encoder to compress video over for the Quest or Pico. A lot of android devices support video out over USB-C, so if you can get a USB-C dock that does USB3 and HDMI or DisplayPort, you may be able to run an HTC Vive or Valve Index out of it.

[@TheMysticle]

Unfortunately the Mi 8 doesn't actually support video over USB C, but this did cross my mind. I've pinned a comment with someone who did actually get it working though!

[@Atskas]

@@TheMysticle wouldnt virtual desktop work??

[@samaydelotte1187]

Loved it!

[@Willgame21]

this is the moment ive been waiting for for my tablet. I have a andriod tablet, its super powerful for emulation and drawing but i prefer windows because they have multiple application that the playstore doesnt have. Im not crazy with vr but what i am hoping in the future is turning my tablet into a windows pc without having to buy a 1k surface pro or expensive laptop.

[@TheMysticle]

You might already be able to do this if it is on the renegade compatibility list! :D

[@Willgame21]

@@TheMysticle i really want to, but ill wait until it is safe to use because it is a really good tablet i do not want to brick.

[@belgarathlesorcier8385]

I don't know if steamVR runs on Linux but if it's the case you might have more chance with it. Still worth to try I think

[@YashrajThakor06]

please can you find any method for converting oculus native software in vr box like samsung gear but in any phone! Still many people don't actually have a quest 2 so, can you do any mods! p

[@GodisGreater01]

Yes, make more videos like this!

[@timmy2088]

so is no one gonna talk abt how the clock at 1:54 says 09/03/2023? when were only at 3/9/23????

[@maxse6221]

Dunno if troll but that is the same date.

[@Paddyboy1]

I'm very happy I have a strong computer to play pcvr so I don't have to go through all of this😂

[@fenrowh]

9:28, I would watch that channel😊

[@zwarr]

Nice video it was very interesting, do more videos like this.

[@Anthonyg5005]

you can use fpfc for beat saber without a headset

[@AFKxander]

Dude! This is your niche

[@TheMysticle]

Doing dumb things just because why not? 😂

[@sudilos1172]

It's best to remote stream a desktop. Maybe Nvidia gamestream? Maybe Xbox Gamepass ultimate cloud gaming?

[@theomattioli7304]

Mystical, what do you think about population one going free to play

[@MegaManNeo]

I would love to try this with a desktop Linux distro like Mint or openSuSE Leap. Not necessary for VR but as Ubuports only runs on few devives as well this might be another approach as one could easily make the DE function better on small touch screens.

[@FlameSoulis]

I saw a video earlier with someone getting ARM64 processors running Steam via Box64 without using the Mali blob. I wonder if something like that could also work...

[@reckless710]

id like to see quest 2 games run on android and play using the quest. i have a rog 5 pro and it can handle a lot

[@teawa_]

This is pretty cool

[@mantasmarshall]

How about trying this on Samsung's S22 Ultra, which has same integrated AMD GPU as used in steam deck? Better driver support in any case?

[@TheMysticle]

I'm actually going to be retrying this sacrificing my main phone for it. Hopefully giving it more power as it has an 865 and 8GB of ram 🙂

[@mantasmarshall]

@@TheMysticle Can't wait.

[@hungaro7964]

I liked it. Wonder how it will run in a really powerful phone

[@lehsss]

same problem with trying to run steamVR on a windows 11 ARM/ M1 mac

[@realdealkuma9979]

You gon make any videos on v50

[@glori1081]

Download a test for how well it goes with VR from steam. It's called something like VR test ? Don't remember. I'm really curious. Me from the future. It's called "SteamVR performance test

[@Yukki64_]

But can it run crisi-

[@North_Carolina_Concordd]

Nobody going to talk about the fact that it had the Apple notch?

[@bartat404]

Should have run beat saber with FPFC

[@owlenderg]

If we're gonna do this and play games, it'll have to be on Linux until phones get desktop grade performance Windows is too heavy on its own for this sort of task unfortunately

[@TheTytan007]

Xiaomi Mi 8 is powerful enough to handle Windows perfectly fine and current phones even more powerful. I'd even say that Linux is even in a worse place when it comes to daily driving on ARM, but it's getting there thanks to Box64.

[@redactedvr8888]

If you feel like it, you can actually buy a steam deck for $400 and it runs Alyx not absolute garbage . If you count 15 FPS as not trash and While may not be the best. It’s completely unoptimized, so imagine what valve or anyone can do with the SOC with optimization

[@flippydip7341]

I always wondered why pcvr games can't easily be set to lower settings for standalone. I think it has to do with the storage capacity or something so you must need some sort of cloud to store things or what ever I don't know

[@flavioraone1]

Do you recommend any cell phone or tablet that is compatible with this operating system and is not too expensive?

[@sudilos1172]

How is the phone for watching youtube, and web browser support?

[@flamingscar5263]

This probably won't happen for a long time, and not really due to the phones hardware but due to how God awful windows on arm is, Microsoft does have an x86 to arm translation layer but it's bad, really bad, compared to Apples Rosetta translation layer it honestly makes it seem like the app isn't being translated at all, and Microsoft has bassicly abandoned windows on arm at this point

[@TheMysticle]

I'm not sure about the abandoned part, I'm running the latest version of windows here. I've also had no issues with the apps that did install, excpet for the terrible performance that is, but I thought that that's just because the hardware wasn't strong enough. Unless you're saying that that's all the fault of the terrible translation layer, in which case, I'm all ears :D

[@yourlawyer3305]

Just imagine if you can boot this onto the Quest 2 natively. Either it'd go very or very terribly.

[@cytusallcore]

He said pocket pc. Lol. I gotta get my head out the gutter.

[@AnglRFishy]

I guess I’ll be jailbreaking my iPhone

[@ethandalby4010]

If I did this too my Samsung A32 5G would it work? Also will rookie sideloader work,plz answer this comment I need to know man

[@trip886]

Could this setup run vrchat in desktop mode

[@bigbadallybaby]

So if the quest 3 is “twice as powerful “ as a quest 2 does that open up some possibilities?

[@TheMysticle]

Certainly! Especially if you check out the pinned comment, someone got it working on an 855 😃

[@MynicknameisViolet]

So this is a step to getting Steam on Quest 2?

[@VSink7631]

Why didn't you do a steam VR test???

[@TheMysticle]

I explain in the video but essentially steamvr crashed sooner or later every time it turned on before it even managed to turn on vr. However, I now know some interesting things that mean if I got a more powerful phone, this should actually work.

[@DevDunkStudio]

Imagine this on a sony xperia 1 IV Snapdragon 8 gen 1, 4K HDR screen :o

[@TheMysticle]

I think I'm gonna be retrying this on my main phone which has an 865. That might actually be able to pull some VR!

[@DevDunkStudio]

@@TheMysticle Cool! Just wonder if a 4K HDR phone would beat a quest 2, which actually is made for VR, out of the water quality wise. Might try on mine with google cardboard to see the resolution and colors (I can make an HDR android cardboard game if I want)

[@bryant1815]

Can you use the steam deck for steam vr if it is running windows on it ?

[@b0wking119]

I wonder if this will work on my pixel 6a with its tenser chip not willing to risk bricking my device.

[@Ether_Void]

I personally have no experience with it, but could games utilizing the OpenXR API with the Windows Mixed Reality Runtime work? In theory if OpenComposite can be installed you may even be able to redirect every game trough OpenXR bypassing SteamVR.

[@MobileDecay]

I haven't rooted an Android device in years. I don't even know if my phone can be rooted. 🤔