I killed the Veteran Sherman // 5 reasons the EXN is a better EUC

[@RonnieRides]

Both wheels have their pros and cons but it's really shameful that they burn up from stuff like this, people keep defending it as "it's not their intended purpose" but that's just ludicrous, of course the motherboards COULD be designed with beefier components so it wouldn't happen and of course there COULD be safety features that would disengage the motor under excessive stress instead of the motherboard burning, those are things lacking and nothing to do with indented purpose. Personally I wouldn't mind paying a little extra for beefier components and not compromise in quality.

[@official.electricdreams]

Well said

[@themystx2]

Uh. what would happen if you took a Ferrari off-roading?

[@YourAubsome]

The S18 beeps if your about to overpower it (even at low speeds). The S18 is the first wheel I bought and I assumed all wheels would do this but I've now learned that its not a common feature, which I think is absolutely outrageous. I wrote more about it here: forum.electricunicycle.org/topic/23128-what-exactly-is-pwm-and-questions-about-speed-alarms/?do=findComment&comment=369156

[@SwitchUpYt]

@@themystx2 Is that the Ferrari with a nobby tire and a rollcage...must have missed that one

[@themystx2]

@@SwitchUpYt that’s kind of the problem, it LOOKS like a rugged off-road wheel but it’s tuned for the street; guess you wouldn’t know that though.

[@jesustyronechrist2330]

Imagine if your car would burst into flames if you tried to drive up a steep hill and it couldn't make it. Absolutely ludicrous and inexcusable.

[@dumbcat]

i think they call those teslas

[@dasshorts7800]

I mean, early engines did overheat under those conditions.

[@phxeriders]

Please complete the EXN vs Sherman testing once motherboards are replaced! I can't tell you how excited I was over this comparison. Thank you!

[@GoGeorge]

What a day ouch , 2 dead boards in an afternoon is brutal lol. Very disappointing, these control boards still have a lot more development to be done

[@firstlast9813]

Moral of the story: Use the handle and walk your EUC up the hill 😂

[@ShadKS18XL]

Moral actually is: don't be foolish and don't buy bad products. Just get KS18XL - and live a peacefully.

[@steferos5601]

@@ShadKS18XL the ks18 is more reliable? I’m trying to find the Toyota of euc’s before I buy one

[@themystx2]

I can give 5 reasons why the EXN is not a better EUC. 1. hollow bore reliability issues 2. 6p vs 10p battery configuration, you won't be able to go as fast as long on the EXN. 3. crappy shell. 4. overheating issues in normal summer temperatures 5. Sherman is actually faster in REAL speed not app-reported speed. Also, didn't you do the EXACT same thing to a Sherman last year (blow a board) when they first came out? What makes you think with your weight and an even steeper hill will net a different result? PS: I have an EXN on order, so its not like I'm saying this as a biased Veteran user, I will own both wheels (already owned and sold the Monster Pro, its an overweight turd of a wheel).

[@urthpainter]

your tune will change when you get the EX.N and ride it. IMO the EX.N has a brilliant ride feel. It is powerful, responsive, nimble and somehow just as stable as the Veteran with higher pedals. In Fact - while I haven't had any significant wobbles on the Sherman, I have had little wobbles here and there. The EX.N? none -and I've been riding it right up to 40mph since day 2. And - every day it's getting better! imo - the Sherman has two things - top speed and durability. Both great wheels. I love the Sherman. If the EX.N lasts, once it gets over 1500 miles, I'll likely love it as well edit: Veteran also would have range - if both were ridden at an average of 25mph, I'd guess the Sherman would get 20+ more miles. EX.N also runs hot generally speaking, and I wonder if it isn't easy to overheat. I've also drained the EX.N battery alarmingly fast when averaging speeds 30mph and over

[@themystx2]

@@urthpainter Wobbles? I haven’t wobbled any wheel in over 2 years and i’ve owned plenty of them, especially not the Sherman.

[@official.electricdreams]

Theres a bunch of reasons why the EXN is a far worse wheel than the Veteran, but I wanted to show a different perspective. If those five listed things matter to you that may change your perspective about which wheel to get. And yes you are correct, but as stated in the video: The wheel I had was first production batch, they have since claimed to increased the safety on Shermans (through firmware), my own personal sherman which had later firmwares didnt have this issue. However the condition the motherboard was left in after this test was horrific: 1) QC on firmware is not good enough leading motherboards to still blow like this after a steep hil climb, and even worse than production batch. 2)After I blew the board on my first batch production sherman they flashed my wheel with a custom firmware to prevent such things but not to general production use. My own wheel after firmware updates would not blow and I had climbed many steep climbs on it. Something with their QC has gone wrong, maybe they changed the mofsets manufacturer... I'm not sure. But as a Veteran Sherman fan I will no longer defend a brand that allows their controllers to blow up like this. The + and - terminals on the battery could have easily shorted and caused even further damage.

[@themystx2]

@@official.electricdreams I have a preprod Vet Sherman (firmware 0.0.00) with the blue flashing headlight, and "maSsiVe" pedal dip the noobs like to call it, and with 2000+ miles, not a single thing has been replaced on it. Maybe people need to ride these things for what they are, a beast of a street wheel not a hill climber. If you need to climb hills, buy a wheel that can take that kind of abuse (e.g. RS torque)

[@jaredboulderterry3912]

Hmmm that's crazy, cuz I have taken my Sherman up a 30 degree hill and it was a very hot day and my Sherman just started pedal tilting when it over heated... But I didn't let it fall down the hill and then crash on its side on asphalt.... Maybe that has something to do with the motherboard catching fire

[@jaredboulderterry3912]

Also the main reason I would choose the Sherman over begode is if you do every crash forward the wheels bumpers will protect the wheel quite well where as the begodes shell will just shatter.

[@v4v777]

@@jaredboulderterry3912 Also the looks of the Sherman are much better than the exn... and it rides faster and longer.

[@gorebad8110]

For the record, you can hear the fireworks before the wheel even left his feet, well before the tumble down the hill, or final impact

[@YourAubsome]

3:42 - I sold my EX.N because I could turn it on (at ambient temperature of 80* F) and ride it for less than 2 minutes (yes I actually timed it) and have it overheat. I am 210 lbs and I live in an area with extreme hills, but that doesn't make it okay that the thing overheats so badly. I tried a hill climb that is incredibly similar to what you did on the EX.N and it failed. I was surprised to find that my V11 was more capable of climbing the same hill than the EX.N. When a motor is wound for high speed its going to have less low end torque. The EX.N tries to make up for that by feeding the motor a huge amount of power to get that low end torque which makes it overheat and it can drain batteries at an alarming rate when riding in a very hilly area. I don't understand why people think the Sherman is so great. My friend has one and I tried it out and the level of quality on the Sherman reminded me of Gotway/Begode (which makes sense since its madeby former Gotway engineers). I've heard that the Sherman is higher quality than Gotway wheels, but it doesn't appear to be that much higher quality.

[@budbroz6412]

Did you open it up to see if something is wrong? Rode with a guy the other day hitting steep stuff and his never overheated. I ordered one but planning to install a second fan since the board already has a plug for it

[@budbroz6412]

I also weigh 250 with gear

[@soonhan3145]

LOL, that exact same thing happened to my OG sherman... The only thing was that it started popping while it was in the car, I thought it was the batteries and chucked the wheel out of the car...

[@EUGUY]

Going slow like this means the duty cycle on the Mosfets are slower, so they are under more stress for longer before the phase shifts and the next bank of Mosfets are under load. If it uses 12 mosfets, then theres 4 per phase. They clearly could not handle it. Actually, i think they might be ok, but its the overall pcb design that is bad, the traces are not scaled for maximum amps possible, as that would mean the board would get a lot larger.

[@official.electricdreams]

finally Mathias comes to the rescue to provide actual knowledge to these people

[@robertsbrastins661]

Holy Smokes 💨 I did some brutal climbing with my sherman in a hot dry summer day in my local forest. Looks like I’m not doing that again, so I guess I can thank you for saving my Sherman from making a horrific forest fire.

[@Monociclese]

Nice to have cash to burn two wheels on a single test : )

[@darkstar4494]

I would guess they are both under warranty, It will cost him time more than money installing 2 new boards.

[@davidthomas984]

If I were the manufacturer I would decline any warranty claims as the wheels were not being used within their documented operating parameters. There's no reason he couldn't get up the same hill without damaging the wheels, just needs to zigzag...

[@darkstar4494]

@@davidthomas984 I get what you’re saying, but there aren’t any instructions at all on those things, and all he did was go up a steep hill. That shouldn’t break it. They could make them so that you can’t blow a board that way.

[@privileguan9127]

Honestly, how can a product like this be sold, when it could just explode on you. One would expect a cut-out and the rider falling flat on his face in a worst case scenario..

[@mattmarzula]

Poverty mentality = poverty.

[@skykingjts]

Thanks for getting the video up.. Some good data. I have a few Sherman's and I ride the crap out of them. I haven't had any real problems other then Bms problems and a few cutouts form pushing them to hard, Mostly when batteries are low. The Trolley handles are tough. I lift, carry and move the Sherman's around everyday. I've been testing them for a while now.. one of the best things i like is a fur ply tire instead of the two ply.. fill free to hit me up! thanks again. ttyl,

[@phxeriders]

What four ply tire are you using? Think it'll help the sherman rims from looking like a taco?

[@sliqindustries4782]

I mean to be fair that 70+ lbs euc tumbled half way down the hill and hit asphalt before it started sparking, not saying the exn isn’t better but it burned out with out taking a spill so I do t think is exactly apples to apples.

[@supercurioTube]

Thank for the test, I hope for a follow-up. I'm a fan of hill climbing and while I have a Sherman on order, I know its safety is poorly implemented and it can self-destruct. Exactly where is the limit is unclear which is the most annoying part. Leaperkim advertise the wheel gradability as 30° and it clearly fails to match the specification. A friend of mine burned his new Sherman as well while climbing. Leaperkim is supposed to send him a replacement board that would be stronger. It's odd and I wonder if the board would be flashed with the same safer firmware as what you had, or have different hardware. Please keep us updated! I hope Leaperkim can implement reasonable alarms and limits. Currently it's just deficient, unreliable, not matching advertised specs. They have to fix it.

[@official.electricdreams]

Regardless of the limit the wheels software should let the user wheel to stop with tilt back or alarm, not just self destruct.

[@supercurioTube]

@@official.electricdreams Indeed. In the meantime, I'll keep off-road and climbing to the 16X. Sometimes the 16X beeps a little too late when overpowering it and I'll just fall off the front, which you're usually prepared to when climbing anyway.

[@MissingYouser]

@@supercurioTube I think that if this was concrete they would’ve both made it up no problem. Grass can really put extra stress on a motor

[@supercurioTube]

@@MissingYouser it's hard to tell for sure, I agree that the stress would be lower to some extent. My guess is that the Sherman would still have burned since it died so quickly. I like the test as it is however since in my use, the toughest climbs are definitely when off-road, making this test spot-on representative of real-world conditions.

[@kaloalex]

The first hill may have been 30 degrees, but the slope he used in the afternoon looked a lot closer to 40 degrees.

[@mig6220]

Moral of this story? If u want to climb hills- RS torque. 😁

[@igamingpublic]

i think its better to add stock fans for veteran sherman what you think?

[@Michalkonin]

Great test, thank you. Will the producers replace the boards under warranty? will you show EX.N from inside?

[@official.electricdreams]

theres not much to see, basically a small burn mark from one mosfet or two blowing.

[@official.electricdreams]

Check the pinned comment

[@ZenLee]

was the 4th attempt necessary :) :) sorry for your loss!!!! omg!

[@official.electricdreams]

Check out the aftermath of the motherboard: kzbin.info/www/bejne/j6KQg3isf8-kpZo

[@phxeriders]

Wow... That's about what I expected to see... total meltdown within...

[@urthpainter]

I recommend tracking the temp via app when doing tests like that - it would be nice to know exactly what temperatures the board was reporting at time of failure, and other wheel data as well With enough of this information riders can set app limits to appropriate power output and temperatures - so the rider can disengage when they near upper limits

[@official.electricdreams]

sure but the problem is that riders shouldnt have to worry about this. the wheel should naturally limit power if its exceeding its limits.

[@V1ncentVanBro]

I live in a hilly neighborhood, the S18 takes the hills like a champ. How do you think the Sherman would do? I would say about 25° paved.

[@jansvoboda9778]

Thank you for this great test!

[@alrestauro]

05:30 POP CORN Sherman I have to wonder if it's more of a user's fault and not the Veteran Sherman? Did he update the firmware or for big effect stage this because he really works for EXN a competitor of Guangzhou Veteran-Leaperkim Intelligent Technology Co., Ltd. The plot thickens, just saying.

[@Thisisnttravis]

Must have been a little heartbreaking to see it burn out like that

[@thechumpsbeendumped.7797]

That was an expensive day.

[@Randoman9987]

Jack tell us what we REALLY want to know: When will we see you ride a 20" KingSong (with suspension) up that hill???!?!

[@supercurioTube]

Haha indeed. If a high speed, long range KingSong was available, I would have ordered it instead of a Sherman. However for this summer season only the Sherman was available, and I didn't consider the EX.N because of bearing issues, horrible waterproofing, poor construction quality, annoying motherboard whine.. This test gives a good sense why recent KingSong wheels remain cool during climbers. Jack and his demanding testing methodology might have something to do with that! Leaperkim and Begode should be grateful for the free work 😅

[@official.electricdreams]

That hill will be my go to spot, I'm taking every wheel up that hill.

[@jonvegan6942]

I MUST be that EXACT hill.

[@rustambogdanov8935]

I used to eat such steep hill on breakfast on my 16x.. )

[@richsam287]

The video seems like you are building content to support a pre-determined conclusion instead of defining test criteria for a "good wheel" capturing data, analyze data, and determine a winner.

[@official.electricdreams]

This hill climb was a small part, the test was only to see which one made it up the hill. This was not going to be a in-depth hill climb analysis video.

[@budbroz6412]

Us guys that climb hill sure like know how they handle on hills. I ordered the exn but still not sure if I can use it on extreme off-road like the 16x can. This video definitely gives insight. Keep them coming!

[@V1ncentVanBro]

The title is literally “5 reasons like the EXN better than the Sherman.” What do you mean, mate? That’s the point of the video! He’s showing us why he likes the exn more.

[@richsam287]

@@V1ncentVanBro incorrect. The title is factually called "5 reasons the EXN is a better EUC" like it a matter of fact, not opinion. The title could say 5 reasons I like the EXN more than the Veteran sherman, then you could have a point.

[@richsam287]

@@budbroz6412 I don't think the EXN is really marketed as an offroad king. If I was to classify it would a high powered cruiser geared more for speed than technical offroad. EXN is a fine wheel for sure I'm sure you will love it!

[@davidevans5782]

The Veteran Sherman is not designed to climb hills of such a high degree, it's a cruiser wheel not a dirt bike my friend.

[@belkenator]

The specs say it can do 30 degrees.

[@ThePROFESS10NAL]

@@belkenator it did for a short while. But who wants to even attempt it? Looks uncomfortable to do. Just walk it up.

[@tomasserrano8734]

💸 Although it is a very interesting Comparison / Experiment we can all learn from all the owner of such wheels need to do is read the owners Manuel's, clearly the operator voided both warranties on these products only to prove that one wheel is better for road use while the other is better for off road to a degree....keeping in mind that both wheels where overcome from the sheer workload involved.....In addition although off roading may be an enjoyable alternative for some folks due to boardom or local laws and regulations....I don't actually think too many owners would even want to tackle a 30° grade knowing that if it cuts out it will go crashing to the bottom like a rolling snowball only to smash on the bottom....The result being of course that you day is or may be ruined depending on how many times you dare to attempt such a feat. Yes I believe upgrades always make a product better but if you actually own one of these devices a crash test may not be the best way to move fowards on a personal level

[@manuelsanudoguerreira7319]

You could have thrown those two wheels into the river as well for what's the case...Torque is proportionally opposite to speed capability in a EU so I'm sure you kind of expected this carnage.Still a very welcome video so to see for myself the limits of my Sherman,which I obviously expected around this level of torture.And I'm still ordering the EX-N despite the poor level of waterproofing and quality of the components that I wish shone much brighter on Gotways.Speed,speed,speed...

[@roccatagon]

thanks for the test. You can try with other wheels too, maybe factory gives You some wheels to testing. Super steep hill is not necessary, nobody rides like that. Better to find less steep but much longer hill, for example 3km ride with slope of 10 degrees, just like Marty Backe overheat hill tests, and mess temperature of electronics/battery during and after ride. This what You do - is very usefull for the community. Nice to know where are limits of wheels, and which one are more durable than the others.

[@MrTCT78]

@electric dreams On exn you switched the right/left pannels for a reason or it came wrong sides from factory, or did you switched front/back lights to ride it reversed with the 2 batteries packs front my friend?

[@prevengeix8551]

well there's your problem! you are supposed to cook your popcorn in a pot or cooker not your sherman chassis.

[@MadLadsAnonymous]

That area you're riding in is gorgeous. Where is it, if you don't mind sharing?

[@shinobieuc]

lol, me wondering what wheel the camera man used for the hill test.

[@budbroz6412]

If you could ride the 16x rss and rst up that hill that would be awesome. Super curious which uni can take the most abuse. I’ve burned my fuses on my 16x before starting at the bottom of a 45deg paved hill(mound, I’m 250w/gear)but it’s never overheated and would love to know how it compares

[@Soluchi-InfiniteCoCreatorGod]

Poor marketing for Gotway. We know what you're trying to do. 😉 The Veteran Sherman is the GOAT. 😎💯

[@TheChase76]

I’m no professional or defending any manufacturer and this is my observation, both wheels struggled to make it up that steep hill and yes the EXN, may have made it up but we all can see the end result my problem is your VS, wasn’t a current model and or may have not had current upgrades , and I also feel both wheels failed beautifully smoke and pops but no huge fires or explosions I think your experiment proved two things both wheels will cut out under stress and they may have gotten a bit safer

[@RonnieRides]

Current model is no different, latest batch motherboard still burns from steep climbs, there is no explosions because it's not the battery burning but if you are unlucky that could cause a short in the batteries as well

[@SONICCRX]

When I bought my Sherman I wanted to make sure that it can take a beating, it has taken a lot of beating, I love the way that it's balanced very well the speed's Great I still love the Sherman,

[@ThePROFESS10NAL]

Just bought one yesterday and waiting a few weeks to receive it. Thanks for your comment, I didn’t want to regret the purchase lol

[@SONICCRX]

When you first get it write it without the power pads, once you get used to it put the power pads on it's going to be a different ride, push yourself a little bit not a lot, she will kick back,

[@ThePROFESS10NAL]

@@SONICCRX thank man! I used to skate but that was 20 years ago. I regularly walk on steep roofs for work so I’m hoping my balance and lack of fear of being on a roof 30 feet in the air will translate quickly to the EUC and I can get up to 20mph and handle hoping off small curbs in the first week so I can just take it for a ride around and enjoy life for a few hours a week. I don’t know that I’ll ever want to try to go 40+ and get killed by some teenage girl texting while driving lol.

[@SONICCRX]

This is an average 200 lb will get you 40 MI, at 40 mph, I ride hard, lots of times I'm in the dirt trails my tires are starting to wear down I'm already at 3,000 miles, I've even hit the beach and went face first into the sand, I live in Rhode Island I ride my unicycle at University of Rhode Island known as URI and then I'll ride to Narragansett Beach, sometimes I'll go to the block Island ferry just to see what's going on, just remember if you're going to be riding on the road stay on the left side of the car where they can see you better, don't get close to part cars they have a tendency of opening doors and not looking behind them before they open, doing 30 mph it hurts it's already happened to me I folded the door all the way around,

[@ThePROFESS10NAL]

@@SONICCRX I live in the suburbs of Chicago so I still have to figure out where I might ride it other than the bike trail and my subdivision. I don’t know that I’ll have the balls to get it up to 40 MPH on an actual road that isn’t a residential neighborhood… maybe 1 day. Wouldn’t mind taking it downtown Chicago at night and get some cool videos or something. That story of you folding that door sounds pretty painful but I couldn’t help but laugh. Were they pissed or did they apologize to you? When you say “on the left” do you mean like near the centerline of the street?

[@fisttaface]

Crazy the kingsong 16x blew these 2 wheels out the water on this test

[@jeanpaulmoreau9598]

Wow, so sorry to see you detroyed your wheel.

[@official.electricdreams]

Computer glitched out, didnt manage to complete the upload. :(

[@alexbell6680]

Nice comparison! Is there a fuse in the tested EX-N?

[@official.electricdreams]

yes, and that didnt break either! however it was jsut a simple mosfet burn

[@MitchG]

I don't see the point in trying to climb hills like this except for just doing it to say you can. I wouldn't do it because I don't want to blow my board

[@official.electricdreams]

I don’t suggest anyone to do it. But having the privilege of living in China I can exchange parts quick at minimal cost. These test allow riders like you to understand the limits of these wheels. In my opinion, this is less likely to happen on a Inmotion or KS wheel. Test coming soon.

[@xaviergoudreault6572]

Was this a c30 or c38?

[@igorgoga7985]

can you pls film the controllers after the burn to see the damage and whether the fuses worked in any way

[@forest19jarek]

I was planning to buy one of them today really and I came here for comparison, but now i think that spending over over 2500$ for something that can burn out so quickly is quite worrying, i think I'll wait with my x16 for now and wait for better inside quality :P

[@UStride]

I came hear to see Gotway win. That's intense man. Pretty much what happened with Marty on overheat hill, nothing changed apparently....(edited: what the freaking freak....Gotway burnt up too...no freaking warning....YIKES?.... fantastic video

[@darkstar4494]

But you burned them both out!! I’d say the roll bar on Sherman is a clear + both for protecting the chassis as well as mounting peripherals.

[@PurpleRider]

Wow, I'm okay with seeing an EUC go POP as long as it's on video and not my own. 0.0

[@WillofNewZealand]

When i was a manager of 30 people it would have taken me 5 years to pay for a sherman. I bought a 3 bed house for 10 grand. Ive a z10 im obviously not rich enough for hill rides. Ive just become aftaid of hills.

[@daley1985]

There are 2 x fuses in a box that sit above the batteries on either side.(i think they are 50 A??)What are these fuses for ????

[@official.electricdreams]

for decoration apparently

[@Papalou1234]

Electric Dream for tall 6"3 100kg i am thinking of monster v3 2700wh is it still relevant in 2021 would be riding country road and sitting too... or should i go for the Exn or get more money and buy a Sherman on road tire next spring? nice and funny video BTW...😂

[@willd0g]

sherman - you get that seated experience... haven't seen much else compare? it's like a one-wheel electric motorbike

[@Papalou1234]

wild0g problem is the sherman is like sitting on msp and i can't sit this low i am 6"3

[@bobdebouwer7835]

How to start a bush fire. Lovely spot btw. Hope you put a sign Watch out for euc's falling:)

[@nicholaspor7937]

Didn’t you go up that hill 10x with the KS16X

[@gillisthom]

Good thing I ran across saw this video, just canceled my Sherman order

[@countryacademy9053]

If you do stupid shit on any wheel it will fail...

[@stararts_official4369]

WOW ca. 6000€ burned at 1 hillclimb. Now I'm not sure whether to buy one anymore.

[@mcfly_ev]

30 or 50 amp fuses in the Sherman?

[@stealtherider3008]

I think the VS burned because you dropped it hard!!

[@DardanAirlines]

Fire Marshall Bill would love this video.

[@rayrokni]

1- i think exn now has faster to end 105kmh free spin over sherman. 2- maybe the exn just blew the inline fuse from mbrd to packs, no? 3- exn definitely better climber than sherman. good video.

[@themystx2]

After you factor in the speed corrections, the Sherman is still faster on the street. 104 kmh -6% vs 105 kmh -9%. And that's not counting the preprod Sherman like I have which is 107kmh -6%.

[@rayrokni]

@@themystx2 exn that i had was -%6. radar, gps and known distance/time methods all were nearer to 6. sherman $3200, exn sub $2500

[@themystx2]

@@rayrokni i heard the speed correction was the same as the monster pro, which was -9%. if it’s 6, my apologies. Exn is $2900 on euco (retail price).

[@YourAubsome]

I would love to know if Gotway and Veteran are going to send you replacement parts under warranty (and if they have seen this video). I want to know if they try to tell you that you voided the warranty by riding up a steep hill a few times. These wheels have major safety problems. They don't beep to warn you that your overpowering it (the S18 does) and then they just burn up when you push them too hard, even though the wheels did nothing to warn you that they were being pushed too hard. I call the S18 feature an 'overpower alarm' because it beeps at you based on the fact that the wheel knows your using too much power, regardless of the speed you are going. Most wheels (if not all of them other than the S18) do not have this feature and they use a nonsensical alarm system that is based only on the current battery level and speed. I wrote more about this topic here: forum.electricunicycle.org/topic/23128-what-exactly-is-pwm-and-questions-about-speed-alarms/?do=findComment&comment=369156 All of the wheel manufacturers NEED to implement overpower alarms, its an easy feature to engineer. All you need to do is determine the max amount of power that the thing can handle (which is slightly complex as most can handle a huge amount of power for a very short duration but not for long) and then put a safety margin on it and have the wheel start beeping at you and then tilt back if your getting anywhere close to overpowering it.

[@tantan4662]

You really wonder if they will do Actually what's the matter with this dude for this dumb testing?🤔

[@lpeter1172]

Nice knee protector, which one is it?

[@DontKeeptheFaith]

Wheel abuse.

[@danh8245]

Expensive video :) thanks

[@olegosipov3393]

Are you kidding? You burned 2 superexpencive wheels for this video!

[@MikieSWE]

10:32 Cant carry the VS in one hand in stairs? Well.. I do it daily on my commuting to wk. I am no athlete, but that is my morning / evening exercise. ;)

[@BigBoss-gb4cx]

That's my issue with EUcs, they simply randomly die. That's unacceptable for me in case of a $4000 product, that I use it and it simple blow up and everyone seems to be okey with it

[@igorgoga7985]

better connector sockets have to be implemented on the boards, cable disconnects so no need to unplug motor cables from the board itself. Enough of flimsy little plastic rectangles on the board that take pretty much all the cables. Fix all that, gotway

[@ecotransportation1]

We ben witing so long why not playing?

[@MissDaisyTheRacoon]

You can tell he's a but flustered when explaining it, because he just lost a $3500+ EUC.

[@official.electricdreams]

Actually... I didnt have to pay cent, I work with EUC companies and retailers to test these wheels.

[@Papalou1234]

please make review on different power pads! i just order the Begode pads i hope theyre are good

[@pawel.wisniowski]

Check the Grizzla Pads on FB.

[@popcultureisdead818]

I weigh 150ibs and I one hand the Sherman up stairs no problem. Yes, it's a heavy bitch, but two hands is far to uncomfortable. One wheel, one hand. =8-Þ

[@rogerunderhill4267]

You went up faster the last time and so drew more current. Clearly not enough cooling when driving the motor at max current. Kind of expected, I guess! A bit of fun, eh?

[@gym_buddies9504]

thats an expensive review...

[@PoloHungary]

Nice to test this electric gadget's because its not cheap,and this happened,if i buy i want use it not worrying to break burn watterdamage so on ,keep it test 👍

[@Farmhand2k]

Good video man...

[@MCCOLDT]

How not to treat your expensive motorwheel. These are both cruiser wheels. Expecting them to pull you up a steep incline like that 3 times is asking for trouble. Respect your machine and don't ask it for more than it can give. Can't wait for the speed test lol

[@official.electricdreams]

Regardless of the limit the wheels software should let the user wheel to stop with tilt back or alarm, not just self destruct.

[@MCCOLDT]

@@official.electricdreams The software probably doesn't take steep hillclimbing into account. The board should be better protected...sure. Agreed. But the board shouldnt be exposed to that amount of heat and stress. What is it you want to do on this wheel....climb a mountain? I just think all this "lets see what it can do/take" content is how accidents are going to happen and break things for everyone. Each to thier own though. Don't let a bit of critisim stop you making content. Or having fun. Peace out!

[@YourAubsome]

These wheels are not properly engineered. What car or motor cycle can you buy that will burn up if you try to drive it up a hill that is steeper than it can handle? Also the S18 is proof that there is an easy solution to this problem, has an overpower alarm (this is what I'm calling it as it doesn't seem to be well documented) - it beeps at you when your about to overpower it at ANY speed, not just some hard coded BS alarm that is based on nothing other than current battery level and speed. I wrote more about this here: forum.electricunicycle.org/topic/23128-what-exactly-is-pwm-and-questions-about-speed-alarms/?do=findComment&comment=369156

[@vagrantsneaker6514]

I’ll stick with the very capable on and off road V11, thank you.

[@TheHitman-]

It's cheap compared to the Sherman, of course you will stick to it 🤣 those 2 wheels aren't aren't slightly comparable. Sherman is superior in every way.

[@unitedstatessc]

The music is way too loud, you cant hear you.

[@fernandofaixa]

I do climb every single day with my sherman one handed.

[@slargo83]

Dang, I'm glad I never picked up a Sherman. I just about did but I heard that it lacked torque. I love climbing stuff on my MSP HT 🙂

[@garyfosho]

Just went from a RS-19 and msp HT to sherman, i dont miss them one bit. sherman is on another level

[@slargo83]

@@garyfosho yeah I heard they increased the motor output plus the battery to 3,600Wh now. I definitely want one of the new ones now 😁

[@garyfosho]

@@slargo83 sherman v3 is good too

[@icebreaka1969]

after watching your video, I think I will still buying a Veteran Sherman for Christmas Gift to MYSELF, haha, has been laying my eyes on this EUC for long time, the KingSong S18 I have is just not enough, and the Veteran Sherman seems to be better than most of the EUC out there, Hopefully I am not wrong.

[@official.electricdreams]

go for it bro, its a fantastic wheel! just be careful on steep climbs in most situations u wouldnt do this any way

[@icebreaka1969]

@@official.electricdreams cool thanks for the tip.

[@Juancholoco710]

What’s the EXN?

[@julsride3596]

Good video.👍 Definetly not convice is better than a sherman. Also is still a begode wheel.👎 and to carry a sherman up strairs is better if you are smarth and push wheel agains the steps to move it up instead of lifthing the wheel. I dont carry my sherman so far. And i have lots of steps on my building.

[@laurv8370]

Looking to the wall of the pylon of that bridge (the "pythagorean triangle" at about 4:20), the mathematician in me :P says that the slope is way over 30°. You measure the first slope, but not the second, after changing the location. That's true that the wheels shouldn't burn, and the protection sucks in both of them, but about performance or comparison, the video has no relevance. Two people jump from fifth floor, one dies, one survives to jump a second time, then dies too. It means nothing. The datasheet specification of people say they should not jump from the fifth floor, or if they do, you shouldn't expect them to live. :D

[@Thisisnttravis]

This just in: Veterans can't get it up

[@dumbcat]

wow. one of the biggest jobs of the EUC hardware and software is to prevent overheating and fire. huge fail

[@mAdcaTzm4a1]

Good points. But id still choose the vet over all. :)

[@v4v777]

You and me both... and many others i guess:)

[@mtbalot]

wow thats amazing. hard to believe those thing exist. you not even flapping your arms around to balance wtf

[@dm.hol.3624]

It's all your fault bro, this is not a typical usecase for the wheel.

[@arcrides6841]

Crazy❕❗❕❗

[@BlankofMaterial]

what the fuck is wrong with humans. Always taking something that works just fine then completely misusing it.

[@RidershermanV3]

This is what u gna do with yr wheel is go up hills 😆 I'm sure yr gna Go down the stairs too. Do u even go straight. Yr the type of guy to use roller blades and walk up stairs

[@snoopdoggthecertifiedg6777]

You gotta wear wrist guards bruh

[@tzastin.]

But the Sherman max tho 👀

[@matelslug1]

Wow, Such a poor controller board construction!!!!!!

[@ecotransportation1]

Is till not playing