inMotion V12 vs KS 16X // I Killed the V12

[@supercurioTube]

16X is still with an incredible low speed torque for technical climbing, but the V12 is not too shabby going up as well (until it dies)! It seems like they relaxed the current limiting quite a bit compared to the pre-production models, if you look at Adam / Wrong way climbing tests. But then they probably relaxed it too much - so now it can self-destruct. Oops. Max power: 6504 W wow that's a lot - then dies at 6525 W. The wheel warns about overload so they know that the limit is right up there. That's so much more power dumped into the motor compared to the 16X - to compensate for the speed oriented motor. Thanks a lot Jack for these tests and already following up by opening the wheel and showing us. I pre-ordered the V12 and the QC assembly issues with the motor wire not fully connected is pretty concerning. Looking forward to a deeper analysis of the mainboard failure! Awesome job with this video series 👍

[@YourAubsome]

Its crazy watching the 16x laugh at a hill that has killed so many expensive and powerful wheels! Yesterday I was riding my V11 up a monster hill (25* incline about a mile long) and it hit 175*F a hundred yards from the top. My girlfriend was right next to me on the S18 and it was at 98*F! Unfortunately the S18 doesn't have enough power for my needs.

[@eveoff]

To be honest the heatsink on S18 is basically a miracle. Like wtf. :D That thing just doesnt heat up at all. If the technology can be transfer to other wheels the new kingsong wheel is gonna be ridiculous.

[@irhuz8683]

@Andrei Petunin eucs dot uk do you feel the same now? Thinking of getting a S18

[@irhuz8683]

Wow the S18 is killing the V11 then!

[@mr_wrongway]

8:42 so smooth :D great vid :)

[@augustleo7434]

Love both Inmotion and Kingsong wheels. I can't believe the KS16x destroyed that hill repeatedly - 100% surprised 😳. Great riding!

[@eveoff]

lol. It didnt even sweat. I was very suprised too!!!! :D

[@budbroz6412]

I’m glad someone is finally comparing wheels directly to each other. Kuji used too but he mia now

[@sy1794]

What happened to kuji?

[@revolvingrider2146]

I miss Kujii😔❤️

[@shanesplanetshane3795]

@@sy1794 My guess is a contract happened

[@isthereanyfood]

08:37 Like a boss! "I'm gonna walk down because it's way too slippery". Lmao! Thank you again for these excellent videos!

[@tangibleday]

nice video! Thanks for the testing!!

[@urthpainter]

16X! what a champ! really impressive test along side those app #'s. I'm pretty amazed how it maintained a reasonable board temperature through all those runs.

[@jeanperezcuba9920]

Yo también me fijaba en eso, muy interesante. La quiero tener ya mismo!

[@TheGreatBlumpkin]

From my personal experience with InMotion they only care about problems with their wheels if it happens to a known KZbin influencer. As a “nobody,” my wheel failed after 2 months and less than 300 miles and InMotion didn’t help at all. I was in contact with their service department for over a year.. clearly got a bad battery but they wouldn’t replace or service the wheel.

[@FoxHound78]

What I love most about this video; you could of simply edited that folly out entirely but you didn't. KUDOS!! And you found it extremely hilarious yourself!!! More KUDOS!! Would not be surprised in seeing a trend of "mishaps" in future videos from other KZbinrs just to aquire views.. This video gets 4 out of 5 🌟🌟🌟🌟

[@official.electricdreams]

I decided to fast forward rather than make cuts otherwise people will have doubts about the test and also I thought it was pretty funny and also showed how slippery it was!

[@bardib2021]

V12 high torque is on pre-order... supposed to do 45 degree incline but 10 km slower top speed. Would be interesting to see updated comparison video.

[@arturslapins5595]

the quality of your videos is getting beter and beter

[@rexyoda]

Damn kingsong really built different

[@frankc.3232]

Thanks, great video 👍😊

[@tantan4662]

Kingsong seems to be the best one indeed Imagine if KS were to upgrade speed and battery would be better than Veteran and Begode

[@bernardcuadra9239]

That hill is the hill of death! Many have tried, few have passed. Very informative and also very enjoyable!

[@Elunipsycho]

Very nice review! Great work.

[@baubelepreux1561]

KS 16X not yet obsolete !

[@ArcadeSynth]

Great test and analysis! What I get out it is, we need both 16X and V12 :D Thanks guys!

[@Lucas_Caetano.0]

Put powerpads on V12 as well

[@official.electricdreams]

We had power pads on the v12 in earlier climbs but during the day of filming that you see we removed it. Still managed to climb on it since the wheel was tall it’s easy to grip

[@ENDVash]

After watching this im so glad I picked the 16x as my first wheel.. been waiting over a month for it to get here :( hopefully not much longer of a wait

[@noelleonard2498]

Yeah I have taken on steeper Hills than that with my 16x. Will slip out if a hit a few bumps but never runs out of torque especially at higher battery levels.

[@ThaBlackCobra]

Great comparison jack between two great wheels. Thanks for the info for pushing them both

[@francoisdreesen9684]

So happy i made the right choise 3 months ago to buy a 16X 🎉

[@noelleonard2498]

Me too, coming up on 300 miles, love my 16x

[@MADpack]

Great video bro.. Related with the sound i will disagree since i had both the quality sound on the v12 is better but the bass on at least the pre production one was not loud. Beside that important talking about how easy is to damage the speakers with water on the 16x if you dont cover them with tape.. Even doing it it was not enough to dont damage them. Another thing that I really didn't get it on your video is you are comparing 2 wheels in speed limiting the v12 and also not putting powerpads on the v12... How you expect that the wheel is faster if you stop ot to go to the full potential? Beside that the V12 is a wheel that can't be compared like this.. There are so many parameters to set up and adjust the wheel to you that makes the wheel perform better than the 16x because you dont have to adjust to the wheel but the wheel adjust to your riding style. Need it to add this.. Big hug and continue to make videos

[@eveoff]

Holy shit those V12 speakers are clear asf. The sound is much clearer on the video. 11:48

[@lefotografion]

Any one here know if the V11 would get up this hill? And if it does not, would it do it with some speed at start?

[@owenbird117]

8:33 "i'm gonna walk down, it's way too slippery." then proceeds to slip and fall

[@mikeintampa250]

I like how when you put on the gloves the 16x went slower at first, lol. Really good comparison. Going downhill was almost as intriguing as going up. Thanks for exposing potential weaknesses in the wheel, as it may have saved a future rider. My fav Chinese metal band: Die from Sorrow. Their song by the same name is great.

[@ElectricUnicycles]

Great video Jack 👊

[@visiop1]

Kinda disappointing that the v12 not only didn’t make it but actually broke down. Quite a let down, seemed like a all-round, fast commuter wheel. Hope they’ll fix that quick cause it seems to be a great wheel.

[@matelslug1]

i think these euc makers are learning very quickly about how to better their product, very cool.

[@martinsaunders2942]

I have to wonder if letting the V12 roll down a steep hill and crash out at the bottom might have something to do with the failure.

[@bkanegson]

Patient: "Doctor, it hurts when I do this." Doctor: "Then don't do that."

[@Stan0619]

The 16 x and Nikola are legendary EUC’s. I believe the 16x and Nikola are the best EUCs King Song and Gotway ever made.

[@MikeMPharmaCyclist]

I absolutely love my 16X but I also love my EX.N... no question if lower speed/trail/hill riding is in store I go for the 16X. For cruising through the city and country roads, EX.N all the way.

[@official.electricdreams]

I love how the LEDs look on the Nikola it looks like ur riding a UFO!

[@Christoph-vg1mg]

Hey nice video. Is it true that the 16x drive a little bit like the ninebot z10?Would you buy the 16x or the v12 because its safer, smart bms...., bye

[@Reawer]

8:33 *Smooth* Jack I died xD

[@fisttaface]

I love my 16x. Its my 1st and only wheel at this time. But ive been trying to decide on a 2nd wheel. Prob gonna take me a while to decide. I want a wheel that can cruise easy at 45 mph

[@shanesplanetshane3795]

Cruise easily at 45mph... I think you have but 2 choices and one is known for its lack of QC. 45mph with any sort of headroom is hard for even the big ones atm.

[@augustleo7434]

Unfortunately there's no easy cruising at 45mph on any EUC. You will always risk cutout at that speed and the riding requires all effort/attention.

[@fisttaface]

@@augustleo7434 yeah i was thinking either the veteran sherman or exn. Can they cruise easy at 40 mph?

[@augustleo7434]

@@fisttaface I was thinking Veteran Sherman or Monster Pro for cruising at 40mph. I am a total fan of the EXN though - all the reviews rave about the torque and handling.

[@shanesplanetshane3795]

@@fisttaface My sherm seems to truck right along at 40mph. MUCH better about it than the rider is. Its not an unending power tho. I have sagged the battery pretty far (55%) from full, with basic accel from 30mph. I think NONE of the euc's are going to be UBER safe for a big guy collectin lots of wind, at 45mph+. 40mph responsibly, shouldnt be a problem for heavier guys who ride accordingly. Both the sherm and monster pro are kind of the only options for what you're hoping for. Dont underestimate the focus 40+mph is gna take for sure!

[@soundsyndicate786]

Nice one.. looking forward to see RS HT vs KS16X on that same hill of death… 100v 2500W vs 84v 2200W .. can u please do this ..🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@FoxHound78]

Lol...are you ok?? Great video!!! These newer wheels do not perform well on steep inclines.. I wonder....

[@Qu.Z.]

8:35 lol

[@GreyMRP]

That was a smooth recovery. Not gonna lie lol

[@official.electricdreams]

Lol hahhhaa

[@revolvingrider2146]

Great video🙏❤️ Quick question: What kind of spiked pedals have you installed on the V12? I just purchased the V12 and I have to get ready ❤️😃

[@official.electricdreams]

Pedals are free when you order from Freemotion. The ones on the website are first version, I have the second version. Link in description

[@Ukreefside]

What pads are you using on the 16x? Could I get a link? Great content, pleased I got the 16x a year ago. It’s been a great wheel. Just wish it was waterproofed better.

[@roccatagon]

excellent test, plz make more test of different wheels. Maybe You could try on this hill Monster v3 or Msx.

[@matthewearl9824]

did you have the wheel in fancier motor de and offroad mode?

[@QQ251647742]

Just curious, what is the distance from the starting line to the finish line? I didn't hear you mention it.

[@ElsaofGarendel]

Your pedals look different from freemotionshop anodized aluminum pedals on their website. Do you know which pedals we will get with the preorder?

[@official.electricdreams]

Sorry for the delayed response. The freemotionshop website shows the first iteration, I have the second. You will receive the first ones.

[@ElsaofGarendel]

@@official.electricdreams How can we buy the second iteration pedals?

[@YourAubsome]

8:36 "I'm gonna walk now because its way too slippery" ... then you slip 🤣🤣. This should be call 'death hill', I want to see you test every EUC on it many times to see how many wheels it can kill!

[@Putrakokop]

Amazing

[@eucfng]

what is the angle of the “HILL OF DEATH”?

[@Monociclese]

getting views for the channel.

[@official.electricdreams]

The hill is 25-28 degrees.

[@eucfng]

@@official.electricdreams it looked way steeper . like 40-45

[@jacksonrider.517]

Are your power pads on the 16x just put on over the pads that are stock? Been wondering the best way to put some on mine.

[@kmg501]

Nice work.

[@СергейЩербак-щ1ж]

The main reason for the failure of V12 was just the poor contact of one of the phase wires to the motherboard. This was evidenced by anomalous heating, according to telemetry data. On my old KS14C there was a similar problem when I forgot to tighten the screw terminal on the phase wire. Fortunately, I noticed the overheating in time and was able to fix the situation before the motherboard may burned out.

[@tubbehht9236]

How do the speakers on the V12 & 16X compare to the Nikola+?

[@lashley370z]

You might consider tethering the wheel to your body so that it can't tumble down the hill and hit someone or end up in the water. Enjoyed the video. Lil' disappointed in the V12. Once again, the 16x proves to be tank.

[@official.electricdreams]

I never suggest tethering the wheel because if I fall or if the wheel drops we'll be pulled down together, so now instead of the wheel hitting someone i'm hitting them too, just a personal opinion. Plus the cameraman is responsible for warning people around if they do happen to come through.

[@rathong459]

Where can I get those side pad you got on the v12 in this video?I need pad that won't cover up side light.

[@aatee5840]

So any news from Inmotion? Did they find what was the problem?

[@GranVlog]

14:16 is probably just resistors. used to drain the capacitors

[@orna1377]

Please Review Ks16 Vs Inmotion V10f sir

[@julsride3596]

Nice . Can you compared with nikola isntead of 16x? Am not surpriced 16x beat it when it comes to comodity. Am curious of the range between the 2 weels at the crusing speed of 20 to 25mph. Or trafic speed. Inmotion issues with sudden cutouts scares me.

[@evXNYC]

Haha Jack you have to actually lean you can’t just say it 🤣🤣 good video as always man.

[@official.electricdreams]

I’m a wuss

[@evXNYC]

@@official.electricdreams nah- we can’t all be like MJ

[@Lee.Davis_onesandzeros]

@@evXNYC kzbin.info/www/bejne/rH3XnqB8n92GpcU

[@elgo93]

What’s up with the sticks in the middle of the road?

[@thecaptainandthewheel8506]

How is the 16 doing the same speed as the 12? Isn't there like a 30kph difference in top speeds?

[@StarrDust0]

Hate to say it but for criminals EUC's would be a godsend, esp. going up a hill with KS16x...since it aced that test. No cop could ever keep up, unless they had one too. lol Enjoying your vids, keep it up.

[@4sky]

maybe i missed it but whats the slope angle of the hill?

[@official.electricdreams]

28 degrees.

[@scottsum1319]

Man my little MCM5v2 can do that grass baby bunny hill all day easy. Infact I use it as my technical climb specialist every chance I get. No overheat issues either. Whats up with these newest bestest big wheels that can't climb & worse, blow up as well!!!

[@MikeMPharmaCyclist]

Totally different applications for wheels like the EX.N. It's made for high speed road riding on typical road grades where it absolutely excels and would leave your MCM5v2 20 mph behind with 6 times the range (or so lol). I own a 16X which I love too but it's for different reasons than the new big/best wheel EX.N. The EX.N feels like a fast street bike with its agility and speed, it's really an incredible wheel even if it can't climb ridiculous grades.

[@FoxHound78]

Facts..

[@kytan7773]

Haha, that slope killed Sherman, MSP and V12............Awesome slope

[@jack50000d]

16x with powerpad and v12 without 🤔

[@CameronHemeon]

Quite the torture test..

[@Farmhand2k]

1st production models, avoid I guess. Good video...

[@vlaf777]

good test, I want to see a rematch

[@official.electricdreams]

might be coming! Inmotion are fixing the motherboard and want me to do a test again.

[@Laic]

I am going to walk down. Funny

[@andreszuluaga6423]

Hey man nice videos, wehere do you live? What about your weigh? I am a 105 kg guy and I looking for one euc but first i would like the most powerfull and secound buy one in south america is really hard can u help me

[@official.electricdreams]

88kg

[@ek-nz]

A 16x went up the steepest street in the world. Not sure how much of it though but have seen the multiple exposure pic of it going up the steep bit.

[@LeandroLoan]

There must be a difference, as they are different wheels, but some things should be "fixed" in the next tests/comparisons, in my opinion. Put powerpads on both wheels, as Madpack and Lucas wrote it, and emphasize that V12 is highly customizable (in terms of breaking and acceleration). Another thing is showing the differences in tires of each wheel, if they have the same patterns or not, as well as sizes. Last but not least, I suggest some dry weather to avoid slides, crashes or having to go down by walking and therefore "compromising" the comparison. But you are brave to do those tests. I wouldn't do it myself. And the 16X is still strong.

[@LeandroLoan]

I wonder how is the difference in sound quality and loudness between V12 and V10F ✌🏻 Has anyone compared it?

[@Ronin_Ryder]

Good video

[@shanesplanetshane3795]

cook...cook...cook! You should tag that overpass in memory of all those fallen. What is that, 3 at least?

[@kenforstrom3211]

Wheelbreaker Hill

[@thomaspaoloni]

It is meaningless compare acceleration/torque of two wheels where one is equipped with powerpads while the other one is vanilla ...

[@audiovideo-tech]

16x is way better than V12, speed above 50km/h on 16 inch wheel is not comfortable anyway, so the ks16x is still the best 16" wheel on the market. Stiill 50km/h is not slow, and when some people say that 16x is slow wheel I laugh, because when it was first invented and produced other wheels had max 40 or 50 km/h and not more.

[@prophecy0731]

a monologue explaining the two in front of a camera would have been a better video

[@bigbadboogie6842]

Dude, with 16x u accelerated max when flat, reached about 10-12km/h. inMotion attempt 2 6-7km/h, attempt3 5-7km/h (braking just as u start to climb, why?). Not strange that it cuts when you stall it from start ;) If you know a bit electronics you know that a motor at 0rpm with full load = close to shortcut ;-)

[@official.electricdreams]

There’s a few attempts where I did accelerate more on the 16x but I also did almost a standing start. Doesn’t take away the fact that it climbed 11 times and the v12 did 3

[@94e88]

That really doesn't affect the results, the 16x kept that speed up all the way because it has way more torque. The v12 has less torque and thus is pushed harder to reach the same output. Also, if you knew anything about electronics you'd know that the torque is highest at 0rpm and gradually tapers off, so the fact that the v12 can't make it even when going slower speaks mountains of its weaknesses. 0rpm at full load isn't close to "shortcutting"( you probably mean short), a short is when 2 pieces of wire or other conductor touch when they are not meant to. Shorting a motor would result in a fuse being blown on the mainboard.

[@Halphbaked210]

Inmotion helped me lol... did you even try?

[@CrrdHrz]

Hill climb was funny 😁 😂

[@freeforester1717]

Notwithstanding the disclaimer at the end of the video, and your tester status Jack, would it be reasonable to generally consider it to be a ‘risky’ to ‘foolish’ thing to even attempt this with a product any rider had themselves bought? Also, by what means (app, measurement or similar calculation) are you determining the incline of the hill you use, I ask because it does not seem to compare to some of the inclines shown in other influencer/tester videos which are reckoned to be of a steeper quoted gradient, but actually appear to be less steep than the one you are regularly attempting, and indeed frequently killing the wheels on - somewhere along the way, it seems one gradient quoted does not seem correct given the appearance of the others, given the respective gradient measurements cited?

[@frozenwalkway]

Ekiller electric killer lol

[@Namrevetahw]

Waaaaay too slippery!

[@frozenwalkway]

Your new nick name is killer lol

[@NemoEUC]

those pedals look super narrow.. oh hell nah. NOT ON MY WIDE ASS FEET

[@official.electricdreams]

i have actually extremely widefeet. But they are making improvements on the pedal to make it adjustable in width.

[@robinblackman4509]

You wanna learn right into that .......try and hit the floor

[@Monociclese]

Nice to have money to keep "killing" wheels...

[@official.electricdreams]

I'm lucky that manufacturers and sponsors are allowing me to do this.

[@Mn-xh9ps]

The facts that you used powerpad on KS16X make those test quite questionnable (also why limiting V12 speed ?). The fact that you go over a slippery hill is not very relevant because tire type come in the equation. The fact that you use a V12 that not even shipping already vs a KS16X that have already one to one and a half year and maybe in batch 2 or 3, and second or third firmware update..make the comparaison quite limited. For record KS16X had a lot of trouble at first (front and back wobble for ex). So I think this kind of video is not very usefull and can be missleading. I aprecaite the effort but Im not sure it s good.

[@official.electricdreams]

limiting the speed so its a fair speed test to the 16x, otherwise its obvious we know which wheel is faster in terms of top speed. its not about how many times it makes it up the hill its about how many times till the wheel gives out, in this case 3 for the v12 and this wheel is production unit as confirmed by inmotion when i visited their HQ. Please refresh the page and watch the video again.

[@Mn-xh9ps]

@@official.electricdreams You call it a speed test while you mean an acceleration test, powerpad should be still on both wheel, Inmotion have soft tilt back (wheel resisting to acceleration before hting hard tiltback) and by limiting the wheel to 51km.h you will hit it at around 48km/h. Sry I still think the test is not done in the best way, just a 0 to 45km/h and put powerpad on both. You call your hill test "torque test" maybe better to call it "stress test" it will avoid confusion....

[@aatee5840]

@@Mn-xh9ps Yup, and in the speed test you can see him stop leaning forwards way before the finish line, only the final run on the KS16X seemed like accelerating all the way. Perhaps a shorter track with full tilt acceleration all the way would provide more reliable results.

[@coolhawk2003]

You keep slowing down befor you cross the line. Maybe next time do few practice befor the runs.

[@coolhawk2003]

Great video tho keep it up and over heated the wheel at 60. I didn't hear a fan kick in .

[@Ubeogesh]

you have power pads on 16x. That's unfair.

[@sergiodoctorino4553]

ИМНО💩

[@TheMarkAvreliy]

Inmotion makes me angry, i'm V11 owner and every model they needs 1 year rich betta testers tears, they need 4! patches for change plastic small holder to metal, but thats not the first wheel they did.

[@JamesSmith-hs2kb]

stop doing hill climb test on EUC that doesn't have torque motor. it is cringy af. haha

[@RafaelPerez-cp8qj]

Having pads in the 16x and not in the v12 makes that comparision totally unuseful :(

[@official.electricdreams]

not at all, we've been to that hill 2 times previously with powerpads and the grass was too wet to make it up. Powerpads does not change whether the wheel will die or not.

[@mrgmore.7647]

Dude'rs, Take into account the size of this dude. I mean compared to me. Dude's like twice my size and I'm only 8.5 stone right yo...