I Kited This 17 Year Old Kite

[@BenBeholzShorts]

What about shredding an old two-line-kite 🤔 ? That would be another level 🤩

[@DrOppeppertje]

wipika airblast or naish ar5?

[@BenBeholzVlogs]

Thanks man ! Do you have one of these ? I can't find them...

[@Ploz5555]

@@DrOppeppertje Wipika Airblast and Naish AR5 were 4 lines kites 😉. Airblast: Terrific performances by then. But very fragile as well, quickly disappeared from beaches Wipika Freeair and Naish AR 3,5 were the 2 lines, convertible to 4 lines

[@MrOttoHenry]

@@BenBeholzVlogs I have a Wipika NSK (New school kite) that I bought used back in 2001. You can borrow that one if you want 🙂

[@guusjuh97]

@@BenBeholzVlogs I just got a hold of a new (never used) Naish AR 3.5 7m with the original bar and lines. If your ever in The Netherlands you're free to try it (I don't feel comfortable shipping it since it's basically a museum piece).

[@aaronblankenbyl]

I remember going from a 2001 2-line Naish AR 3.5 to a 2002 four line Naish X2 I could not believe the improvements. It felt so good at the time. Every year the kites improved so much, it was incredible :)!

[@BenBeholzVlogs]

I only can imagine… This was long before my time in kitesurfing 🙈

[@daversj]

I still have my 2002 Naish 4 line that had two harness loops. One for chickens and one for the brave. It flies ok with a modern bar but they are so horrible compared to modern kites. Relaunch in the water was such a pain. Swimming toward the kite so it would roll over… don’t miss that. Getting tea bagged when you got overpowered was an experience as well.

[@keesvo88]

Wouldnt it just be lengthening the steering lines a bit? @2:21 the steeringlines seem to be shortened at the bar. Secondly, pulling the depower strap would also quickly avoid backstall. My experience is that some old C-kites are very nice for wakestyle, but sometimes lack the slack in the lines after the pop, compared to newer generation kites

[@BenBeholzVlogs]

Hey, sadly not... I trimmed the bar how it should be. I assume the canopy must have streched and the front tube couldn't hold the shape anymore. Also some of the stichings were open...

[@fuelbasti]

I started kiting 2000 and still have my 1st kite in the basement. It is a Cabrinha black tip 11,8 with a hand leash. To improve that beast I made some kite poles into the tip ends and even installed a servo steering with pulleys which helps a lot to lower the steering power of this truck. I also made new depower lines like Fone have had it later 🤣

[@BenBeholzVlogs]

Sooo raw 😆🤘🤘🤘

[@MrOttoHenry]

I did that with my Wipika NSK :-)

[@aurimasgutgalis944]

Pull a trimer until it stops backstalling while fully sheeted in. You can trim any kite like this, also when you know how much trimer you shoul use to trim it you can add extenders on stearing lines.

[@BenBeholzVlogs]

Thanks for the tipps. I tried so, I think it was the canopy which was streched. Also some of the stiches in the fronttube where opened...

[@jorgematos4895]

I started kiting in 2001, I still have and ride, very often, having a lot of fun, 2005 Slingshot Fuel in 7, 9 and 11 meters. The only problem that I have are the blatters losing the inlets The front lines of that kite are stretching on flight, that's why is stalling.

[@paulkitepirate9]

Yeah!!! I was waiting for it!!! Vintage kitesurfing!!!

[@BenBeholzVlogs]

Haha - back to the roots ;)

[@dmanthegamer2121]

The new bar's make a big difference with older kites

[@MrRikko951]

still have north rhino 2... 20 m2... flies like a caravan .... with a truck attached, but... it can also pull a boat, that´s nice

[@markusbroyles1884]

I acquired an old 19 meter Cabrinha with BATTENS ! It's stained but otherwise in good shape from being in storage. Probably the most dangerous kite around. I've not set it up, no bar came with it. It's a museum piece.

[@mrmonkeboy]

I remember Hadlow kitelooping the old Felxifoil Strike 7m. That thing at the time turned super quick and was an amazing kite, but it would be scraping the water on the way around. He used to land with the loudest SLAP on the water. Wakeboard and bindings. Crazy.

[@BenBeholzVlogs]

A true pioneer... Deserves much more respect for all that :)

[@0xhexdec]

Haha! Nice one Ben! Reminds me of that time I tried a Naish AR5. That thing had a massive bar, 80cm or something like that. Just a single slim hole in the bar for the center lines so you couldn't pull or push the bar while even slightly steering. (Not that it would have changed anything) but the scariest thing was the "safety". Just a simple wristleash that was attached to one of the steering lines further away. And to release yourself, you had to unhook from the chickenloop, after that, the kite just lands in the deathloop like safety, gorgeous... 😂

[@BenBeholzVlogs]

So sick ! I'm still searching for one of these kites... Do you still have yours ?

[@0xhexdec]

@@BenBeholzVlogs it's not mine, but my friend still has it, I think. I DM you via insta.

[@michap.1180]

@@BenBeholzVlogs i have a Wipika free Air 11,3. Build up to 4 Lines. Original was it a 2 Line Kite.

[@BenBeholzVlogs]

@@michap.1180 sick! would you sell it to me 😁

[@michap.1180]

@@BenBeholzVlogs ja.. hab dir mal bei Facebook geschrieben.

[@ofenzuzq72]

17 years ago I took my first kitelessons at Lake Silvaplana, also at the age of 14. I remember this kite, most riders had it in 18 m² sizes up there. My first kite was a RRD Type Wave in 15 m² then, it's still in my basement, I think I have to give it a try someday. 🤙

[@BenBeholzVlogs]

Hahaha that's raw, I was not even kiting than :)

[@szymonsech2264]

Now imagine somebody will do similar video in 17 years about some of the newest kites we’ve got today

[@BenBeholzVlogs]

Hahaha - he might talk about the pros and cons of the new wifi-lines ;)

[@alexglebo]

makes you appreciate those early kiters that were shredding it and inventing new tricks on those kites

[@BenBeholzVlogs]

True that - I was shitting my pants of a single rotation ;)

[@nessimlarafa5556]

How about a series about the differences in technologies over the last decade the old vs the new that will be amazing to watch

[@ivodupal3607]

I 've got 2006 North Torch :D it nearly killed me when i started kiting 10-11 years ago. I gave it another try last year and it was pretty wild too :D :D

[@MrJordiman]

I’m still using a Core GT 13,5 from 2010 with a 2016 core sensor 2 bar and it works great! Still being a great kite!

[@samuelsulzle5952]

wow! What a nice video idea! 😍 how about removing the line extension and making another video? 🤩

[@BenBeholzVlogs]

Cool idea ! Thank you :)

[@brunorodriguesmaso]

yeah man! you need shorter depower (or longer steering lines). more wind. turning will be dog slow (compared to new gen kites!!

[@BenBeholzVlogs]

Thanks for the feedback !

[@justinmatze1079]

I rode this thing back in the day and for that time it was an awesome freestyle kite! Maybe if you fly it on your current 5line bar and do some freestyle on it, it will work a bit better. This thing originates from 05/06 and back then people where not boosting, but only doing freestyle (since that was the only discipline for competition riding PKRA).

[@tobim7560]

Nice! Und jetzt noch mal bitte ein Board von Anfang 2000er testen ?! 😅

[@BenBeholzVlogs]

Gute Idee!

[@MyJourneyConcludes]

KITE MAN! HELL YEAH!!!

[@BenBeholzVlogs]

Thanks bro :)

[@ale.f978]

Hi Ben, it was a real pleasure to meet you at the fort of porto botte

[@BenBeholzVlogs]

Thanks for hooking up :)

[@tanerpaker]

I was a little sceptical of buying an old kite but after i saw the makeshift equipment the early kitesurfers were using i am ok with having an older kite

[@filipjeretina]

You should try setting it up with a newer bar, i want to see that :)

[@mathieuc1165]

I start whith a fone starter 7m :) 2000 I think 🤔 I still have a naish x4 20 m no depower, no upwind, vert tricky to ride ;)

[@Ploz5555]

I had a good time with my Starter 7m as well. First jumps! I still have a 22,5 North Rhino 1, which I still fly from time to time

[@tiesto213]

I found an old 2004 cabrina nitro in the trash a year ago. it inflated but when i tried to kitesurf with it the inflate delaminated.... Now i just need some spare time to repair it and see if i can get it flying again! cant wait.

[@guusjuh97]

Im actually still rocking a 15m slingshot fuel from 2005, works very well actually. It is however a lot riskier and demanding to kite with.

[@BenBeholzVlogs]

Yeah !!!

[@Matys_Kite]

I still have in my garage old Wipika 11m, this was bad ass, even when kite was lying on the ground ,sometimes could just start by his own, it was crazy !!! I will make movie also when flying on old Wipika 😂😜😜

[@BenBeholzVlogs]

Sick ! I‘m searching one of these kites…

[@raphaelr.1576]

every year kite manufacturer : "all new design and materials for 202X" yeah dude same ol piece of cloth

[@gokucorrecaminos3711]

Yeaaaaaa , nice video , allways is funny regress the beginning , maybe the best way to compare the Evolution of kites, I try remmeber It when I pay for a new one kite. I like the mix contents of your videos. See you Next monday 💪💪😃

[@BenBeholzVlogs]

Haha - true that... On one side kites got more expensive but on the other side they last longer and fly better ;)

[@lifeoftopher00]

That looks like the kite I first started on..

[@mdenny264]

Geil, ich habe auch einen fast nicht geflogen Unit im Keller

[@alexanderwheeler4827]

Wish I had some of them old flexi foil fusions and hadlow pros from back in the day. The kites I had from 2007 never lasted more than 3 years materials wise. Line and canopy stretch was shocking, kites were alot cheaper thou.

[@BenBeholzVlogs]

This was exactely my feeling about the canopy. The bar was trimmed right... Super interessting I didn't know that...

[@Ploz5555]

I flew my North Rhino 4, size 12 and 16m, from 2005 to 2015. Apart problems with valves after many years, I was still pleased with the flight characteristics…until I tried a kite with real depower. I never went back to them after that 😄

[@Wattwurm0815]

Ich habe mir 2011 das Kiten selber beigebracht und mein erster Kite war ein 14er North Vegas von 2004 - ich frage mich oft noch wie ich das damals nur überlebt habe😂

[@BenBeholzVlogs]

Hahaha 😂

[@windnomade7431]

Ab 20Knoten hole ich immer meinen Lieblingskite raus... Einen 8ter Switchblade von 2009

[@romeol999]

It looks amazing 🤩 By the way, any new wingfoil vlog coming ? looking forward to see it :)>>>>

[@BenBeholzVlogs]

Yeeesss ! Of course soon again 😊🤘

[@berndbraun80]

:-D But you as a pro rider, you made it - thumbs up. I had a grin all the time, nice.

[@BenBeholzVlogs]

Haha - somehow ;) Happy you liked it :)

[@berndbraun80]

@@BenBeholzVlogs for that reason, I need to test a new race bike. I still ride my over 20 years old one. 🤪

[@BenBeholzVlogs]

@@berndbraun80 Haha - testing might be expensive ;)

[@mjanek20]

This is Como right? It's really strange for me looking at all those mountains on both sides and seeing that the wind is somewhat consistent and not crazy gusty :/

[@BenBeholzVlogs]

Hey, it's lake Silvaplana but close by lake como. Yes that is indeed crazy. It's because the wind is thermical...

[@mjanek20]

@@BenBeholzVlogs about the backstall and crazy slow steering ... my friend has a modern Rebel and f... something up with the line lengths at the bar. It behaved exactly the same way - no depower and slow in response. I think if you'd make the power lines shorter than the steering would go back to normal.

[@BenBeholzVlogs]

@@mjanek20 puhhh… that‘s wierred…

[@felixl.4389]

It’s not about the skills, it’s about the material 🫣🤣

[@BenBeholzVlogs]

Exactely ! Freistiel GmbH & CoKG GmbH

[@kitesurferlee]

Your double rotations look like 80% of my normal jumps lol 😝

[@BenBeholzVlogs]

hahaha... make me feel better, thank you ;) :)

[@lovetofly32]

I have a 2019 slingshot RPM 12 meter and to me it looks like it flys like that one. It turns slow and i have a hard time getting it to pull me after i get up.

[@BenBeholzVlogs]

But than something is wrong woth it. I rode older versions of the rpm and they were flying great… 🤔

[@wolfholtorf5666]

Hiho. Kannst du mir kurz sagen wie der Spot heißt? Welcher See ist das ? Coma?

[@BenBeholzVlogs]

Das ist der Silvaplanasee

[@Saxofaxo]

not an old kite, its got a one pump system;) I assume, the front lines were simply too long.

[@BenBeholzVlogs]

Haha - I think it was quite rare these days ;) I tried to trimm the bar, but I assume the canopy was to old also the front tube stiches were opening at some places... Truely a 17 year old kite ;)

[@Mrhmmhaha]

ich hätte dir in der Region noch einen North C Kite von 2006 wenn du willst

[@BenBeholzVlogs]

Mega - danke ! Kennst du zufällig oder hast du zufällig auch noch was älteres ? Ich würde sehr gerne einen 2-Leiner probieren...

[@BurtReynoldstash]

I had the first airush atv kite and a 16 mtr lift. Wrist leash lol

[@BenBeholzVlogs]

That's raw - haha

[@Jimmy1971240z]

I think it was out of tune for some reason. I fly Vegas 5 line mostly and it makes a huge difference when one line is stretched. The kite behaves much like what you experienced when this is the case. I'll bet that with proper bar tuning, a kite that holds air and some more time with it you could shred with the old dinosaur. :)

[@BenBeholzVlogs]

I think you are right... But I couldn't find the issue... I trimmed the bar but I still think the problem was in the kite. Maybe the canopy or the front tube couldn't hold the shape. Also the stitching opened at some places...

[@Jimmy1971240z]

@@BenBeholzVlogs I recently had an issue with a new bar fifth line setup which drove me nuts. This was on a brand new kite and bar too. Checking line lengths against one pair of front lines at a time helped solve it. Also wondering if your fifth line has different attachment points. Talking to some pro riders I've found they like to deviate from the standard two attach points for wakestyle/freestyle.

[@JoEl-vb9qe]

Niceee! Und gude Mucke 😁👌

[@BenBeholzVlogs]

Danke diggi !

[@VisionaryApproach]

I still have my very first kite. 2004 Naish Boxer 14m, zero depower.

[@BenBeholzVlogs]

Sick ! When did you kite it the last time ?

[@VisionaryApproach]

@@BenBeholzVlogs Not sure, maybe 10 years ago or so. BTW: I also did that depower line extension thing, which resulted in crazy, almost unbearable bar powers on that model. After half an hour you could barely move your arms any more. But at least the gusts were less scary... 😁

[@BenBeholzVlogs]

@@VisionaryApproach aha - that's very interessting... Thank you for sharing...

[@rm4177]

I had the exact same one....

[@BenBeholzVlogs]

Classics 🤓🤘

[@_gruenofant]

The kite is even older than I am😂

[@BenBeholzVlogs]

hahaha - good for you ;)

[@paultempels1207]

Still going strong 😎😎👍👍

[@BenBeholzVlogs]

Somehow ;) haha

[@ryans62]

where is this spot, looks so majestic!

[@BenBeholzVlogs]

True that ! It‘s lake Silvaplana

[@808GT]

BRah, you wanna impress? Get a Wipika Airblast then show us.

[@BenBeholzVlogs]

Haha - of course not. But I would still love to try out a 2 line kite... Still having issues to finde one...

[@VK-pl1nd]

Is Carved the same company that makes carbon boards nowdays? :)

[@BenBeholzVlogs]

Yes, they startet with boards. Than they did kites and went back to boards only... Back in the days the kites were as good as their boards...

[@tenalock]

The average kitesurfer was waaay better 17 years ago than today. Backstalling? Simple - we depowered before unhooking.

[@JenoLeventeHorvath]

Get a Wipika kite or a 1st gen RRD 😁

[@BenBeholzVlogs]

Dude - that's next on my list :)

[@lkbsports]

AWESOMEEEE!!!

[@BenBeholzVlogs]

Thank you !

[@sneaky_lari6377]

Where is it?

[@BenBeholzVlogs]

That‘s lake silvaplana

[@pedroaiello8176]

where is lake ?

[@BenBeholzVlogs]

In the Swiss Alps (lake silvaplana)

[@marcogajda7045]

Nice!! :D

[@BenBeholzVlogs]

Thanks bro :)

[@Ralfscho]

Oh cool, reminds me of this video from a couple of years ago kzbin.info/www/bejne/bmeWfJyQfJKorKc

[@BenBeholzVlogs]

That video is even cooler - I‘m searching for such an old kite 🤓

[@huzcer]

yes - have seen that before - that's REAL old school. 2 lines. No leash.

[@robwi6350]

Bitte sprecht deutsch… Sorry aber is eben deine Sprache 😊

[@george-cyprianobuhler2536]

Der muss mit nem tiefen V geflogen werden! Mit nem North SetUp fliegt der nicht so wie der soll....

[@BenBeholzVlogs]

Das lineset war original… 🤔

[@george-cyprianobuhler2536]

@@BenBeholzVlogs ich habe irgendwo noch ne alte Carved Bar.. ich suche die mal raus und mache mal n Foto…

[@george-cyprianobuhler2536]

Eventuell hast du das Linenset vom Fireball gehabt. Das war quasi der Nachfolger vom Unit in etwas günstiger…Ich mag mich vielleicht auch täuschen aber ich habe die Leinen ganz anders in Erinnerung. Will auch auf gar keinen Fall klugscheißen😂✌🏻Aber eine Lanze für den Unit brechen, da es ein wirklich sehr geiler Kite war, der viele Tricks im Wakestyle erst geil umsetzbar gemacht hat(endlich großer Loop, selbst ausdrehend usw.)… Beste Grüße aus Cuxhaven

[@chrisduc1]

Why are you talking English and not German ???

[@jamesbuckle6077]

I mean honestly you just didn't think about it, you didn't have any other options and these were pretty good compared to what we learned on, like *stacked Peter Lynn arcs* philipbchase.com/assets/documents/arc_setup_faq/The%20Peter%20Lynn%20ARC%20set-up%20FAQ_files/3stack.jpg with a wichard shackle as a QR. It always makes me laugh the folk who complain about the safety systems these days 😂