I Know Atheists Believe In God! | Talk Heathen: Throwback

[@Arkloyd]

I love when people can read my mind and know more about what I believe than I do.

[@birdieerdie2349]

You don't mean that.😁

[@dinkalicious]

Smells suspiciously like witchcraft to me.

[@user-vt3vo1yd3v]

@@dinkaliciousWhich according to the bible is not only real, but serious enough to warrant death. Weird how no one today has successfully practiced witchcraft then.

[@Arkloyd]

@@dinkalicious As you know we should suffer no witch to live.

[@starpenta]

It is annoying (but IMO, it usually indicates that some part of their brain is struggling with their faith bc it knows better)

[@AngryBoozer]

“Open up the brain, where’s the thoughts” is like taking apart my hard drive and asking where’s my vacation photos.

[@glorfburfington9676]

Great example imo.

[@minersparks8959]

“It’s IN the computer” - Zoolander

[@gabe6646]

@@minersparks8959 I'm so glad you said this😂

[@bartduynstee1577]

i just dunno why theists think it acceptable to use the bible to prove the bible. it defies logic. it makes no sense.

[@alanthomson1227]

Haha

[@Frankya92]

Indoctrination is a hell of a drug

[@SeverelyGlitchy]

Some will say that not all circular logic is a bad thing. I say that's bullshit, but apologists and their special pleading. Amirite?

[@PaperBagMan884]

It takes a brain to understand logic to begin with.

[@FinalBossWTMN]

If they had a decent capacity for logical reasoning they wouldn't be theists in the first place

[@somersetcace1]

Probably the most tragically entertaining thing about the claim that "atheists believe in `God`" is the notion that we think pretending not to believe something we actually do, would somehow absolve us of the consequences of whatever it is. Like if I just pretend not to believe in tornados, I will never be hit by one. It's absurd, but you can't help see the reasoning from people who think simply believing something is true, makes it true.

[@diogeneslamp8004]

Good analogy. John’s spiel fits with the apologist’s idea of the angry atheist, one of the dumbest interpretations of human psychology I’ve ever heard.

[@toughenupfluffy7294]

I believe that my hand won't get burned when I put it on a hot stove. (Or, at least I thought so...until I burned my hand. I was 4 years old, so give me a break.) So much for faith.

[@d_camara]

Yeah, obviously if i believed in god and was scared of hell I'd not just act like it isn't real, I'd go full devotion to dodge it

[@IkarusKommt]

People like to fronde.

[@mrcurly1147]

And if you are scared pissless about death and the "afterlife", you will believe anything to ensure the eternal life balloon never pops. Sure, and you're going to live forever.......

[@Jcs57]

I truly believe the caller doesn’t believe in gods he just suppressing his disbelief because he has so much invested in the premise. 🙄

[@Arkloyd]

"Deep in his brain of brains, he knows that he worships a mythological being, but he suppresses it in his self-righteousness.

[@IRGeamer]

Baseless assertions for the purpose of de-legitimizing the opposition and propping up your narrative... Not even once... Not even to prove a point... Not even to support the moral side… Unless you don’t care at all about being part of the problem. "If you hate something, don't you do it too.” - Eddie Vedder "Not for You"

[@SSJ3Mewtwo]

I *knew* I recognized this guy's voice. He was on a more recent clip that had been posted a month or so ago, and was doing the same constant "Uh huh" and "Hmmm" and constant ignoring of objections. He's been calling for years doing the same things.

[@lettuceprayamen]

I noticed that too

[@gregsimmons694]

Time to.get a new profession mental matt/ atheists the holy bible and dean odles biblical flat earth presentation destroys mental matts nonsense he spits out! Jesus saves sinners! That means YOU!!

[@SSJ3Mewtwo]

@@gregsimmons694 Don't reply to stuff on KZbin while you are tripping balls.

[@holstatt6896]

@@gregsimmons694 why do you believe the earth is flat? when you can do tests yourself that conclusively show it is a spherical shape? Do you disregard what your eyes see, for what the party tells you to believe? Only way I can see that happening.

[@CeezGeez]

@@gregsimmons694do all sinners who do not repent go to hell?

[@arifsaleem5467]

God is not an explanation but a lazy mental assumption.

[@nickydaviesnsdpharms3084]

I find one of the best arguments against God's existence is raising the fact about early humans hunter gatherers who pre-date all religions by almost a million years, and although they would have been superstitious due to ignorance (understandably) it shows how religions we know today arose by people holding other superstitious beliefs in an attempt to understand the world.

[@twigsagan3857]

@@nickydaviesnsdpharms3084 Actually this is not a good argument against god. It just shows people make up stuff when you let them. Doesn't mean there is no god. You need to think a bit broader. Don't worry, I am an atheist myself, just pointing out the flaw in your logic. You (in your mind) limit your idea of god to the Christian one. But the fact that people make up gods doesn't mean there is no "real" one. Still haha, highly unlikely.

[@celiand2618]

If I may rephrase what I think your point is : the god hypothesis is a thought stopper to push away incertitudes. And yeah seems to be the case.

[@petermeichan3160]

its an explantion if your level of evidence or critical thinking is extremely low, like most christians

[@kenshiloh]

If you are an atheist, is it 'wrong' to be mentally lazy? That is, atheism is a religious belief where people make their own rules, so why is it 'wrong' to be lazy? Yet, if you claim that atheism is not religious, why are there so many atheist preachers? Atheists have their own theories about the origin, purpose, morality, and destiny of the human race. Atheism does not seem like a religious belief because it is so absurd to think that everything came from nothing. Of course, if it waddles and quacks, why not call it a duck? Atheism is religion. Do not be deceived. God will soon judge the world in righteousness and all liars will find their place in the lake of fire. Yet, Christ died on a Cross so that we may know Him. Jesus Christ is the light of the world.

[@johnsperry9494]

"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."-Lucius Annaeus Seneca.

[@lenstours]

This callers conversation with Forrest and Jimmy is really really good too. Because they call them out on all of his bull crap

[@michaelmerriott2155]

What's the title of that video?

[@mikebrookens4439]

​@@michaelmerriott2155seconded, Id love to see it

[@Ghalaghor_McAllistor]

@@michaelmerriott2155 I'd like to know that too.

[@lokolop1]

Anytime I don’t need to listen to jimmys annoying ass is a good day

[@AngryyBirdy86]

Is it the Abel call? The Sunday Show 12.03.23 1:57:30

[@dogstar5927]

I ate spicy Indian curry last night and prophesied that I’d have a big steaming dump in the morning. And once again,I have proven myself to be the prognosticator of prognosticators. A true virtuoso prophet if you will…

[@CujoKelly]

The proctological prognosticator.

[@markbriten6999]

And that it burn slightly?

[@TheSnoeedog]

I don't know about your big words but I'm ambimasturbatory (bi-dextro-masturbationist) I can switch hands without missing a stroke.

[@gregsimmons694]

You should do a comedy with the 3 stooges , mental matt ,demented dave and tricky ricky the atheist comedy tour for fools like you! Jesus saves sinners like YOU!

[@bobgreenfield9158]

A reasonable forecast of the future

[@BigRalphSmith]

I'm always amazed at how theists seem so comfortable telling you what you are thinking and feeling as if they are mind readers. They just assume that, since I think this way, everyone else must also think this way. If this is how I feel, everyone else feels just like I do. The absurdity of that idea seems to be completely lost on them.

[@starfishsystems]

It's a variation on the fallacious Argument from Incredulity, a general-purpose favorite among theists anyway. The basic form is "I personally can't imagine how X could be true. Therefore X is not true." The variation is "I can't personally imagine that I could be wrong in telling you what you're thinking. Therefore I'm right." Of course, fallacious arguments constitute a fascinating study in their own right. But it's equally fascinating, to me, that any part of the population is committed to the idea that cultivating a sufficiently strong belief in something will make it true. We can call that a Peter Pan fallacy. Against all reason and evidence, these people successfully believe that something is true. They believe it when Peter Pan tells them they can fly. And if, one by one, they fall to their deaths, oh well. They weren't sincere believers.

[@mesekkai]

😊❤😊❤😊😊😊❤😊❤😊

[@duncanbryson1167]

Also "You can't know the mind of God". Proceeds to "explain" the thinking and reasoning of their god 🙄

[@jakethepillowsnake5302]

"An ancient book told me that deep down, everyone believes in this one particular god. And I know it's true, because I believe in that god." "Really? I don't believe." "You're lying. It says so in the book."

[@tatybara]

being able to accept that other people aren’t you requires empathy.

[@TartarusPU]

These two clash as hosts.

[@PaperBagMan884]

Lol just like watching Tracie clash with John on The Atheist Experience. Seems a little more subtle though so I get if others don’t see it.

[@mnguardianfan7128]

Agreed. Matt is a steamroller. He can come across as a jerk

[@dylanpatterson7149]

@@mnguardianfan7128Matt doesn’t put up with dishonesty. He gives people time to talk until they say something dishonest or wrong. It’s not like he’s steam rolling over people and not letting them speak. He mutes them when they lie or interrupt, so steamroller is not an apt analogy

[@donnahayes7127]

@mnguardianfan. The previous comment was about "the 2 hosts"

[@DulceN]

Clearly, not a good match.

[@DigiacomoDave]

You know.. at the end of that I kinda liked John. He seemed like a decent fellow, he listened and admitted when he didn't understand something. I gotta respect that

[@johngavin1175]

Was expecting yet another shouting match. I do hope he has looked up the things Matt suggested. I know this was in 2018,and it seems this John guy has called other shows,so I'm not sure.

[@brianray2614]

I was delighted to see John rising above his biases and preconceived notions, and acknowledging areas of implausible thinking! You have redeemed yourself since the beginning of the call. Thank you John, you give me renewed faith on humanity!

[@EsteVatoLoco]

When John can’t prove something he goes to another claim he can’t prove.

[@Metaljacket420]

I KNOW theists don't really believe, all religions are just big grifts everyone is in on. See how that's a ridiculous thing to claim?

[@toughenupfluffy7294]

Actually, you are spot on, because reality dictates that theists deep down inside don't really believe in their fatuous BS. That's why they're called 'apologists,' because they have to apologize for their religion's shortcomings.

[@starfishsystems]

Indeed, religions are big grifts. But grifts can only work if there is a credulous population to exploit. The credulous may also advance in the religious hierarchy, participating in the grift while still at least partially endorsing it themselves. So they become both credulous and grifters. I think you don't really appreciate how commonplace this kind of self deception is. It's how people stay in abusive marriages. It's how the traditional crime families of Italy entrenched themselves in society over generations. It's how slavery could operate with only minimal threat of enforcement. It is the very nature of duplicity to only think enough to be compliant, not enough to protest. And it is how all authoritarian systems operate. Whether they think themselves benign or malignant is almost irrelevant.

[@christophercuston]

​@starfishsystems And if someone escapes or diverts from (insert religion), shaming, Lexington, and other discrimination tactics to keep the system (more of a government) from critics. AKA Atheist and Skeptics.

[@MikeHoran-th2ud]

The "you are suppressing your belief" is such a bullshit line of reasoning.

[@Dan-ys8nk]

It's another example of a cop out. It's a typical tactic of a theist who presents an opinion as a fact when it's an opinion.

[@KenThePlumber]

It always amazes me that people are surprised that ancient Jews knew the prophecies of ancient Jews.

[@cwolfxuk-other]

The New Testament says that prophecy told in The Old Testament came true... The fact that someone writing NT read OT and therefore crafted a narrative to match.... I mean, any good sequel gotta line up!

[@Grimtheorist]

Yeah, and they even massaged the actual prophecy that the messiah's "name shall be called Emmanuel" to be "well actually Emmanuel means 'one with god'... the *real* messiah's name shall be called Jesus!"

[@elel9640]

The arrogance required to insist that you know what's in my head better than I do is unreal.

[@dieseljester3466]

It comes from the bible verse Psalms 14:1 - A fool says in his heart 'There is no God'. And so theists take this to believe that everyone actually knows that their god exists and just deny reality. It was the way I was thinking back in the day when I was a Southern Baptist.

[@Cellidor]

It also comes across as kind of creepy, too. Like someone saying "You KNOW you love me, you're just suppressing it". Real awful stuff.

[@carter358]

It's pretty insulting to tell someone what they believe, especially when you don't even know that person.

[@gracie1312]

These two hosts are so similar yet have differing tactics so that they clash

[@nikkinicol78]

I hate it when people say everything is so complex that there has to be a god. As if the idea of a god isn't complex af

[@lulolie]

It's the same special pleading that theists use for contingency arguments

[@griffoncs6431]

This is the only christian ive ever heard actually admit that he's stumped on any of these athiest talk shows. Good on him.

[@virtualmanny]

I liked Matt’s patience. The other guy seemed emotional. I think Matt reached out to the caller better and got him to being a skeptic.

[@LagasaurusRex-vm1km]

You guys are VERY patient. You will not change this guys mind.

[@Disturbed0neGaming]

Exactly! This guy didn't use any kind of logic or reasoning to come to the conclusions that he believes, so it would be virtually impossible to try and reason him out of his nonsense.

[@carlwheezer1030]

It's not about changing the callers mind

[@LagasaurusRex-vm1km]

@@carlwheezer1030 Disagree - the show is about demonstrating that religious beliefs cannot be backed up by reason with the hope the caller would recognize their logical inconsistencies and re-think their acceptance of those beliefs.

[@anonymouswhiterabbit]

@@LagasaurusRex-vm1kmYou’re wrong. A caller rethinking their position is a possible bonus, but the show is for the listeners. It reaches a wider audience, possibly helping other people out there while simultaneously giving other atheists tools of logic to debate/educate with.

[@Ole_CornPop]

Watching this with a toothache is Meta AF. 😂

[@johngavin1175]

Is it from a wisdom tooth? If so,man,you have my pity. That shit sucks.

[@wizardsuth]

John assumes that no one could ever write a new story that fulfills the predictions made in an older story.

[@lasal134]

I look at the trees and I love the world, my heart swells and I am overcome with gratitude. None of this requires a "god." Gratitude is not a transitive property, but more a feeling of joy when you feel lucky. I am lucky to be as well adapted to this world as I am.

[@williambeckett6336]

I knew this was going to get stupid the moment they said "Florida."

[@markpolice3585]

As someone who lives in Florida, I agree with this statement.

[@jeffsims8270]

My sis, bro-in-law and my nieces live there (near Orlando) and I believe they too would agree with this comment! 😂😂😂 They once live in SoCal near me but left due to the cost of living....... Oh, and they're Disney-heads so that could have persuaded their choice of state/location. Sorta like gamblers moving to Las Vegas, NV. 😉

[@Childfree334]

Wherever it is that all of you live, you just proved the stupidity level is on high in your own states as well.

[@johngavin1175]

​@@markpolice3585Yes. We are the Dumbshine State. I'm native of Polk County, a black hole.

[@johnsperry9494]

Christian husband: “Do you feel oppressed?” Christian wife: “No sir.”

[@jannieschluter9670]

fearing and respecting your husband is no oppression. no wonder you folks are more successful with divorce and breakup. :D

[@Childfree334]

​@@jannieschluter9670Why should a woman "fear" her husband unless he is an abusive jerk? The way you people treat women is abhorrent.

[@jannieschluter9670]

@@Childfree334 don't watch so much TV

[@Childfree334]

@jannieschluter9670 Dear, my observation does not come from TV. I interact with Christians every day of my life. I repeat myself: the way you people treat women and children because of your disgusting book is abhorrent.

[@Childfree334]

​@@jannieschluter9670😂😂😂 TV. Nice try. I live among Christians and see your misogyny on display daily.

[@El_Naito]

If god is outside of reality then She´s not real buddy

[@chuckm1961]

Prove your assertion (by the way, you can’t). We’re in the realm of things unprovable, yet you claim certainty. Is life too complex for you, necessitating over-simplification?

[@Mixolydio]

This guy keeps interrupting with words of agreement. “Right, yep, absolutely, yessir…” I can’t tell if it’s attitude, dealing with the rhythm of the delay or a mix of both

[@dmonzel]

That means "I understand you're done speaking, allow me to continue without addressing what you said."

[@JayMaverick]

I get the feeling he's not listening at all, or that they're talking past each other.

[@yorkshireatheist]

Whats most interesting about this call is the tension between the hosts

[@oldschooloverlord]

"Anyone can be big on claims, but ya gotta have evidence to back it up." Couldn't agree more John!

[@mildredmartinez8843]

I think this guy took a quick course on mind reading from Prager U.

[@kevinkoch-jj1uj]

I knew you were going to say that.

[@johngavin1175]

Everyone here in Florida is going to be forced to do that soon 😂

[@Leith_Crowther]

I’m not sure John is a good representation of theism in general, but he’s definitely the poster boy for Florida.

[@johngavin1175]

He is maybe. But he isn't belligerent enough. He is stubborn though,he is definitely a fellow John, 😂. I'm a Floridian,and a John. We aren't all there.

[@dalecs47]

So why do so many religious people insist on forcing me to believe in their god? Because as soon as I agree to believe in their god, either by lies and false promises or by threats. I am handing to them power over me and power over my life. They can now tell me what to believe, what to do, who I must hate and who I must not love and most important, they require me to give them some of my hard earned money. Power and money is all that religion is really about.

[@Druid75]

Presups are the worst of apologists

[@nullverba856]

_"We'd both get a lot more out of this dialogue if you'd just concede that I'm right before a word is uttered. Can ya dig _*_that?"_*

[@13shadowwolf]

Presup allows for justification of ANY god claim, as long as they define the god in a way that maintains the "god works in mysterious ways" concept

[@johngavin1175]

Absolutely. Is Matt Powell a presup? He is one of the worst Apologists,in my opinion. But he has damn good company and competition,that's for certain.

[@kirielbranson4843]

I disagree with Matt. The world doesn't look like there is a mind behind it to me. I think many of us that are familiar with the processes that exist think this way.

[@ShadowManceri]

His position was more like that he understand how it can look like it, rather than it does look like it. Of course with the point that just because something looks like something doesn't mean it actually is.

[@jeffc2630]

He obviously believes there's no mind behind the world, he's just acknowledging others believing there is !

[@kirielbranson4843]

@@jeffc2630 ok, that wasn't clear in his statement. So many times creationists talk about how trees and people and eyes and rocks look created and they don't look like that at all to me. Only artists and craftsmen make stuff that is so unique and functionally inefficient in so many ways. But they have to make everything one at a time not set a factory going that produces millions of unique versions of the tree. I don't see how anyone looks at nature and thinks it is created. Maybe in the future now with AI will we be able to create in a factory this level of uniqueness.

[@daleblue22]

He initially was quoting Ray Cumfort.... about murder.

[@roostermcscratch9060]

It’s Ray CumFart. I mean Comfort

[@RavynSymone]

Matt ate up the host the whole time lmfaooooo

[@computernerdtechman]

Matt: "Somebody wrote Genesis". Me: "Yea, I think it was Phil Collins." 😆

[@wizardsuth]

In a 1990 TV special Phil Collins, Mike Rutherford, and Peter Gabriel each claimed (in quick succession) that they did all the writing.

[@riseofdarkleela]

@@wizardsuth thanks for that. it doesn't surprise me a bit lol.

[@ksbhsi51]

In that case, I’m going with Steve Hackett.

[@nmappraiser9926]

Arkacark was their best album.

[@alanthomson1227]

Or was it Gabriel ? Ooh spooky !

[@outermarker5801]

John is right! I busted open an old pc and voila, bunch of old games, pictures and videos spilled out all over the floor! 🤪👍

[@danbeaulieu2130]

Poor John. God is not a good explanation for the universe. The Aenor defeating the frost giants, and shaping the universe from the skulls of the dead giants, is a getter explanation.

[@jackobatgaming]

I'm about ten minutes in, and the hosts have taken the callers argument into the weeds, and I think it would have been more productive to let the caller make his argument, which I assume was going to be that "You do not murder, because you are subconsciously following God's law, and you know on a intrinsic level that it is wrong according to God." And that I think would be a far more interesting conversation to have with the caller rather than whether or not thoughts are things or not. The argument from Christians is that if atheists TRULY didn't believe in God then there would be nothing stopping them from just constantly killing and doing horrible things, because after all it's not "wrong" to do so. For me, the truly sad thing is that Christians seem to have no concept of people not doing bad things because 1) we have empathy and for most of us we wouldn't dream of killing another because we can understand the grief it would bring to that person's friends and loved ones, nor would we want to cause another to suffer pain, fear, suffering etc because we are capable of understanding how horrible it is to feel those things ourselves., and also 2) humans are evolved social animals and we understand on a deep level that we do not kill, steal, etc because we do not want to be killed or stolen from in return. Also, we have hundreds of thousands of years of evolution as social animals giving us the understanding that if we commit horrible acts we will not be welcome to continue living among our fellow humans. All this is to say there is 100% an evolutionary answer to why we know right from wrong without needing to believe in a hidden belief and following of "god's law."

[@Metaljacket420]

I am hungry, therefore I want a sandwich.

[@diogeneslamp8004]

Descartes would have been proud.

[@david2869]

@@diogeneslamp8004 I eat therefore I am

[@diogeneslamp8004]

@@david2869 😂👍

[@StanleyR1]

John spent the entire conversation just waiting for his turn to talk. He never heard any deeper meaning beyond keywords that triggered predetermined responses. When he couldn't latch onto a keyword he'd say "okay, you have a point there. I'll have to look into that."

[@ParanormalEncyclopedia]

You know i have MANY issues with my catholic upbringing but three things I'm grateful for. 1. My parents have never been or encouraged me to be homopbobic 2. My church and parents largely ignored the Satanic panic even though I grew up im the thick of it 3 My biology teachers only concession to religion was encouraging us not to reject evolution just because we were Christian, he was to but he wanted us ti understand the science and judge it on the overwhelming evidence not belief

[@waxberry4]

How did the caller know he is not subconsciously an atheist?

[@rehab_reject]

Re: putting you in an MRI and seeing what you see. Actually, there has been some fantastic research recently that can do just this. It looks at the MRI reading and compares it to a massive database of MRI signals of people observing certain scenes and objects and builds a picture based on this. It takes massive processing power and huge amounts of data but the images produced are quite accurate.

[@Magick51]

I just heard an audible "what!?" Off screen that was funny😂

[@13shadowwolf]

The "thoughts" exist in the same way that "data" exists on a computer drive. If the computer stops running, the "data" goes away, because it takes either constant power to maintain the storage, or a physical record like a disk. Either the neurology contains a hard physical representation of the "thoughts" which would be consistent with some parts of the brain that we don't have conscious awareness of. Much of the autonomous nervous system has a very basic stimulus-response physical reaction; the "consciousness" of Being is more like the flexible/digital memory of a computer that only exists within the programs that require constant electricity to maintain. When the power stops flowing, those ideas/mental constructs stimply stop; they don't "GO" anywhere, they just aren't there anymore.

[@AvaEFF]

Can there possibly be anything more arrogant than telling someone “you don’t know what’s in your own head, I DO!”

[@UNCLETQB]

You cannot logic someone out of a position that they have not logiced themselves into that position. It's (blind) faith vs. Logic.

[@slimjim227]

Reasoned!

[@Frankya92]

I remember this call. Another classic case of shifting the goal posts and just presuming.

[@ChimpPunck]

My cousin absolutely tried to argue the point in premise that I told her I found the human soul and where it resides and I gave her an example of a person who had complete amnesia and 100% dissociation with themselves they no longer identified with their name they no longer identified with their wife their children everything was not put in place where it was supposed to be. Then I asked her so if the soul cannot be damaged and yet a brain is required to house the soul in the brain becomes because wanting comes from memories interactions with the world around you so I asked her what happenes to the soul and her Christian apologetic excuse was the soul and Spirit will heal that person's brain and they will become themselves again. Mind you permanent brain damage no repairs unfixable and still she believed in a nonsensical illogical spiritual Nexus that will repair what that Nexus lost. Think of this spiritual Nexus like a ball of cotton candy you take a chunk of the candy away from cotton candy she believes that cotton candy will reform the portion that was lost permanently.

[@wunnell]

Every time a Christain claims that they know we believe in god because their religion tells them so, they only succeed in proving their religion false.

[@JustReed]

Christians don't understand the term, 'delusion.'

[@ziploc2000]

John comes across as a nice guy who is monumentally ignorant for his age, and it's not entirely his fault. He's been brought up in tradition that doesn't value learning about science, or even looking up information for yourself.

[@outermarker5801]

And now wants to ban books 😵‍💫

[@BlessYourHeart254]

At least this guy might actually consider looking at some other information-good on him.

[@bruderk4257]

The good old days with Matt at the ACA.

[@hailsagan8886]

I presuppose all presuppositionalists are wrong under my core presuppositions

[@Leith_Crowther]

“What’s the foundation for God?”

[@DaveTexas]

Remember, with the poorly educated (=religious), every accusation is actually a confession. So this caller actually realizes that he DOESN’T believe in a god, so he needs to project that doubt onto those he doesn’t understand.

[@JONQPiD]

I just realized that god can’t hold a pen. All thumbs.

[@BlessYourHeart254]

😂

[@tw3235]

I believ there is a Easter Bunny and Santa but not your superhero goD.

[@coreyloucks4865]

A lot of Norse, Greek, and Egyptian Mythology make predictions that later come true within the texts of the predictions, are their gods then real?

[@arieswar4770]

I don't have faith in faith I don't believe in belief You can call me faithless You can call me faithless And I still cling to hope And I believe in love And that's faith enough for me And that's faith enough for me N.Peart, RUSH :-)

[@francelaferriere6106]

RIP ❤

[@JB-yb4wn]

John, this is the A-Team here, bring your best game or go home.

[@lamarw7757]

The purpose of religion, is to keep the masses in check.

[@mystiquevening]

I know the difference between believing in god and no longer believing in a god. I was a strong dedicated Christian for 29 years. I did a bunch of research on Christian claims of evidence for the Bible and what we actually know about the Bible itself. It’s impossible for me to believe in a god now, all I see are lores, legends and myths. If a god could, they should meet up. If they can’t then it’s not my problem. I don’t believe in Santa or god. And both stories are told with a lot of vigor.

[@AdmiralBison]

Some theists simply cannot handle or feel their own faiths are threatened when finding out more and more people are no longer buying the god fantasy and delusions Religion has been pushing.

[@user-yt9ro7md2h]

Literally faith only makes sense if it’s used as a positive affirmation. In my case,it’s for this apartment I hope to move in to by early June. I get anxiety from things like that no matter how much I prepare for it. So telling myself I have faith I’m gonna get it,helps alleviate that anxiety. I think it gets crazy when you’re using faith to determine your world view and how you treat others and live your life. And for what happens in the afterlife when you die. That’s where I think it’s not as useful and even detrimental.

[@themanwithnoname1839]

Thoughts are electrical signals your brain uses to view them lmfao and this dude be like there for god

[@PauloBarreto15041964]

This guy sniffs glue.

[@TheSnoeedog]

also his sister's panties....definitely homeschooled by mouth-breathing siblings. he calls Auntie Mom and Uncle Dad

[@calanm7880]

One of the biggest red-flags I had as a believer were the actual ppl in church, who often were way worse characters than what I experienced in “the world”. Experiential Christian reality is often the Romans 1 argument in reverse!😂

[@MichaelJohnson-kq7qg]

Matt steamrolling at about 6:30 is frustrating - we have enough data now to show that thoughts ARE 'a physical thing' and that it's not just a 'correlation'. In just the last few years, technology scanning the brain has been able to construct images that a person isn't actually seeing (just thinking) and music that the person isn't actually hearing (just thinking). We might still be a little fuzzy on all the details, and the science still has a long way to go - but we have compelling evidence that a 'thought' is a 'thing'.

[@TeamRandomNoob]

Pissed me off too, but he was explaining that thoughts are concepts, just like ideas and emotions. 2+2 is a concept but doesn't physically exist

[@ShadowManceri]

How you would define a "thing"? Serious question. As Matt did later say they are brain states. I'm not sure if that counts as a thing. For example consider magnetic computer hard drive a HDD. Inside are disks that store information by areas either being magnetized or not, telling if the datum is 1 or 0. Now that disk is a thing, we likely agree on that. But is the magnetic state a thing? Because the magnetization is just orientation of the atoms, it doesn't add anything to the disk itself. It is a state of that thing, without there being anything extra. I could see how this state isn't a thing by itself, because it's just orientation in structure. So if we say that data in HDD isn't things, then thoughts are not things either. The data itself doesn't exists as a thing, the thing that exists is the disk.

[@MichaelJohnson-kq7qg]

@@ShadowManceri graphite is a thing, paper is a thing, a book is a thing. I would say that the graphite applied to the paper to make the book is also a thing - that writing can be deciphered, it's not just a concept. An electron is a thing, a molecule used for chemically storing a memory is a thing, the current moving via the elections is a thing. I would say that the fact that we can measure electrical charges in various parts of the brain and use them to decide what the brain is thinking or seeing or hearing, means that those patterns in the brain are a thing. They're not just conceptual, something measurable is happening, and we can decipher it just like we do with the graphite in the book.

[@ShadowManceri]

@@MichaelJohnson-kq7qg I would mostly agree with your list of things to be things. The writing in a book isn't a third thing, it's still just two things. The writing itself is a concept. This is because the graphite and book just happen to be at same place at same place arranged by a human. We then call this arrangement as writing, but I can't see the writing to be a thing by itself. An electron is a thing, but its position/spin is not. That position is what gives it a state. By making electrons to be in certain positions forms a thought. So while electrons are things, the thoughts caused by them would not be as it's just result of their positions. You can observe and measure both the electrons and their positions. You can measure concepts. For example a forest is a concept of many trees. You can count the trees in a forest. But forest itself isn't a thing, the trees are.

[@leekhototrot2258]

I'm pretty sure Matt and Eric had a lot of friction offline. This video showed so much conflict. Both men are so certain of their psychological understandings that they're bumping heads.

[@camiflo1578]

Matt is the best at what he does. Period.

[@keeleycarrigan]

I feel bad for John. He seems like a smart guy who for whatever reason hasn’t been exposed to the world or ideas outside his religion. I felt the same way up until my 20’s. Partially because I had no choice because that’s the world my parents created. When I had the chance to find my own way I realized it was all bullshit. The world is so much More interesting without all this religious nonsense.

[@Beerglass1980]

Just walk into a children's hospital and tell me that there's a god.

[@ejflor1313]

I liked this caller by the end

[@ilovethe80sNW]

At least John did he was willing to go to Matt's other pages and read up on what we know so far about earth's origins. Agood start!

[@XxjosemitoxX]

Man I love Matt I just can't 😂😂😂😂

[@missy8347]

John thinking of a red moon in MRI doesn't necessarily mean that's the case for everyone. That is John's brain only. Not to mention the MRI lighting could be refractive light in parts of the brain also. So no way of really identifying the origin of what you're looking for and why it light up. You can only observe what you have based on the screening. That's all you can do with that really

[@bookie5667]

Matt's the star and was always the star, but it seems Eric's ego can't handle it (0:1:00). What a shame.

[@chuckm1961]

Yes, you gotta love a guy who interrupts, attacks and belittles people at every turn. What a wonderful example of humanity!

[@johnsperry9494]

If I was a fiction writer, I could write a novel that ended with unresolved issues and even predictions, and that would be a kind of a cliff-hanger. Then suppose I wrote a sequel novel in which all those predictions I made up somehow get resolved. That’s exactly how I view the Old and New Testaments of the Bible. One man-made book with “prophesies” and a follow-up man-made book with resolutions of those prophesies. Two man-made books of pure fiction.

[@WoodysOpinion101]

I really enjoy Eric's positive energy...

[@ObservantHistorian]

Show me the Christian who BEHAVES as though they REALLY believe there's some god to hold them accountable in some after-life.

[@carter358]

@16:45 "Yeah it's far more accurate than anything in the bible." BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!

[@markpolice3585]

John: The capital of Texas is Amarillo. The bible says so. The hosts: No. Its Austin. John: Right, right.

[@dimitrioskalfakis]

dude is not equipped for logical conversation outside the tales in his holy book.

[@tehspamgozehere]

Actual question: Is a knowledge of good and evil required to understand right and wrong? Or correct and incorrect. Doing as you are instructed and not doing as you are instructed and why doing something you were told not to do is wrong? Is that actually evil? Imprecice language and all that. I agree with Matt in that you can't expect true innocents to understand why wrong = bad, but I wonder about the usage of the terms 'good' and 'evil' in this context. Maybe I need to dig into pre-translations and similar and see if there isn't some subtext or subtlety of meaning in the words used there. Heck, for all I know, the words used may literally mean good is good/yes/okay/sure/affirm/right/correct and evil might be synonymous with wrong/bad/nuhuh/incorrect/inaccurate and so on. I personally think of evil as the choice to do the wrong thing. As in chosing to cause harm when you know harm is being caused and that the harm outweighs the good, etc. But evil isn't the same as wrong. You can write up a math formula and get an incorrect answer without growing horns, a tail and trim goatee.

[@LOwens-xf8yo]

Wants come from instincts: food, sex, socializing, staying healthy, etc. We have an instinct to be selfish (greed, survival) and an instinct to work towards goals benefitting our social group (cooperation, self sacrifice.)

[@markbriten6999]

Because as a social species that too helped/helps us survive

[@jordanrobinson9064]

John’s understanding of free will is without a doubt completely one-sided. He can choose to believe in God, yet find it impossible for someone to choose not to believe!🤨

[@warrenharding103]

As soon as I hear that Southern Drawl, I know something stupid's about to be said. Every one a cigar!!! But by the end of this call, I got the feeling he might come to his senses; he seems reasonable to some degree.

[@ardalla535]

Lots of things are floating around in human brains. If you were brainwashed in childhood to believe religious twaddle, then that stays in your head forever. If you can remember it, it's still there. Even if you can't remember it, if it happened it's still there. Part of you -- the child that's still in there -- will always believe in little Jesus, meek and mild; he loves all the little children; all the children of the world red and yellow black and white they are precious ... etc

[@toheebowolabi9122]

Good host, but not the best dynamic.

[@touchgrasseatroughage]

I love that AI is now reading brain scans now and reproducing images from them

[@Twentydragon]

6:00 - _John: "Where are the thoughts in the brain?"_ Coursing through the whole thing, man. Thoughts are processes, not objects.

[@towerdave4836]

Blows my mind that a theist doesn’t know that the beginning of the Bible doesn’t match reality !