I Know You Ghost of Sparta - God of War World Serpent Translation EXPLAINED!

[@VideoGameSophistry]

What do we think? All bullshit or could there be some hidden hints within the ASMR booms of The World Serpent? Also Use code VGS at www.manscaped.com/ for 20% and Free Shipping - TO RAGNORAK!

[@VAN-wy3hq]

1:02 "I know you Ghost Of Sparta... Find Mimir... Prepare for warrrr.."

[@redman4life91]

Hey vgs check your twitter dms, I dm’d you something important

[@InAeternumRomaMater]

I want to point out a short video saying that Jörmungandr is saying "I know you Ghost of Sparta (and after Kratos asked Atreus if he understands and Atreus says no, Jörmungandr says), Find Mimir, he will help" *in a shot video. Also, will we see the brother of Freya "Frey" in Ragnarök? In the Norse Mythology he will be there and get killed by the fire jötunn Surtr.

[@adammcgee9413]

I always had a therapy that when he said the lyooo it sounded like he was howling while saying that witch makes me think Fenrir has the similar laungue except with growls it's with howls

[@theobtusemongoose3980]

There are videos on KZbin about the making of the game. The lead sound developer talks about how he came up with the voice for the world serpent. It's imitated throat singing with an altered pitch and other sounds sampled on top of it. It's just gibberish that sounds cool. The human brain does weird things when it's trying to make sense of what it hears. Like the whole laural vs yanny thing from a few years back.

[@autarchprinceps]

The thing you cut out, is Mimir later translating what the world serpent actually said. He thought Atreus looked familiar. Not Kratos, Atreus. If he knew all about Kratos & Atreus, was Kratos, etc. to the point of knowing they have to find Mimir, that wouldn't make sense. But if he meets his father in child form, it might. Remember, the world serpent is moving backwards in time. That's not just Norse mythology, but one of Mimirs stories about Ragnarok and the death of Thor in game.

[@tomasgaliana-audet1477]

Isn't that a different conversation, Mimir wasn't there for the first encounter?

[@autarchprinceps]

@@tomasgaliana-audet1477 Yes, but if the first thing the serpent said, was I know you, your story (which isn't known to most others here), what you have been through, and what you'll do next, it would seem quite odd, that this is the next thing he says. Either way, it seems like a quintessential details to ignore for this discussion. Much more so than vague ideas of what sounds that in universe aren't supposed to be the same language, actually are. And the first time he talked with Mimir is the second half of this video, but not the litteral translation of it?

[@mannyruth579]

@@autarchprinceps bro little words will do

[@95DOIDO]

that means that kratos isn't there anymore (the future) because jor didn't knew him, so it makes sense to kratos to be dead or something, probably thor killed him (or will kill), the fact that kratos died because of thor made atreus by accident create something that could stop thor (jormungandr)... but now that jormungandr imbued the axe with his venom, kratos can kill thor too, so, jormungandr being on now days is what fucked the whole prophecy thing, he is a central part of the plot, isn't a surprise he being the symbol of everything in this game, the axe was named leviathan because of him, his image is the new logo, even when you upgrade the axe and the blades, some pieces has his image on it...

[@Dontrel]

@@autarchprinceps it makes sense for jorm to know tho cause the giants knew and he is a giant

[@grabe1556]

I have nothing to say about what he said, I just wanna appreciate how absolutely amazing it sounds. It was so bone chilling the first time hearing it, exactly what I think a thing like that would sound like

[@sneakyninja2773]

So true. The audio is just incredible

[@patg148]

Playing on my home theatre just makes me so happy

[@Moe_GC94]

I always interpreted the first encounter like Jorm waking up, seeing the Axe and expecting Faye, since he was in the past. Then he Noticed Kratos taking defensive stance and saying he will do no harm to them. But then he probably realized they did not understand him and said 'get mimir, then we can talk'. And that makes sense in two ways, because 1. he actually knows Mimir since he talked with him before, and 2. Mimirs name sounds very close to 'meemeeer' like in the second conversation between them. And that you can distinguish before Jorm turns his head to the mountain to lay upon. So that could actually be true. And moreover, when Mimir mentions to him what Kratos and Atreus are after and why, Jorm looks surprised/sad for a moment. Mimir even says he knows the pain of their loss, so i guess he really did not know faye was dead yet and was surprised seeing them in their first encounter. But what is more interesting to me is that Jorm only mentions Atreus looking familiar in the second encounter - as mimir confirms that later. So basically after waking up he laid back on the mountain until they found someone who could translate what he said - i guess

[@barry8871]

hold up, since the first paragraphs of your... Jorm didn't expecting Faye. He is from the FUTURE, from Ragnarok, got struck back to the past. If he's from the future then he shoulnd't know anything about Faye or even Kratos (if he did died in Ragnarok). or maybe I'm just doesn't get your point.

[@Moe_GC94]

@@barry8871 i meant Jorm should know he is in the past and therefore should already know who faye was. We do not know what happened in the future if the events leading up to Ragnarok were the same with kratos or not. I would rather assume he was not in there since the death of baldur was not forseen so soon to happen. Kratos actually sped those events up. So it would be possible that in another time Faye wielded the axe and Met jorm. I mean she knew everything that would happen to atreus and Kratos so i really believe it is possible she was also present in another timeline. It is never stated, i know but in my head this makes more sense than Jorm just randomly knowing Kratos.

[@Ravenbones]

@@barry8871 You really have low IQ don't you? He is from the FUTURE and got sent TO THE PAST which means he was IN THE PAST when FAYE WAS ALIVE. Thank you.

[@nova1121fanz]

@@Moe_GC94 we know a different set of event must have taken place the previous time around in Ragnarok because when Fimbulwinter starts Mimir or the Brothers say it wasn’t supposed to happen for a very long time. Kratos changed the fate of Baldur and Ragnarok

[@barry8871]

@@Moe_GC94 I still don't get the part where "Jorm should know he's in the past and therefore should already know who faye was",...hmm, how exactly? First off, we're still unsure whether Jorm knows he's in the past yet, we know that Thor struck him and that happened but maybe Jorm only think that it teleported him to the lake of nine (since he said the boy look familiar to him indicated that he's a bit clueless about what timeline he's in, because otherwise he'd realize that Atreus is definitely his dad when he's young, he's in the past after all, what else could he expected). And even if he did know that he's stuck in the past, how is that have anything to do with "already know who faye was", he is supposed to be born way after Faye's death (in the original timeline, where ragnarok happened 100 winters from now), if he got sent to the past, he wouldn't recognizes her. I did get the rest of your point though.

[@theislandparable]

Pretty sure it’s just a coincidence, he speaks a completely different language. Mimir understands bc he “knows everything” and Atreus knows bc of his knack for language and this probably begins some kind of grandfather paradox, considering Atreus/ Loki births the serpent. Even when Atreus speaks to the serpent at the end of the game, it sounds nothing like English.

[@Alijan-kz3jg]

The director of the game said tho that nothing in this game is unintentional or meaningless , he said everything is in the game for a reason, seeing there was no subtitles or translation like other dialogues with the world serpent it could very well be

[@monkaeyes3417]

@@Alijan-kz3jg I highly disagree, games these days need to be accessible. A deaf person would be incapable of interpreting it. Devs have no reason to alienate that part of their audience. Catering for the deaf doesn’t diminish the experience for people who aren’t. I think you’re looking too deep.

[@alant9517]

Not a coincidence. It was wrote for a reason👍😃

[@Alijan-kz3jg]

@@monkaeyes3417 that has nothing to do with what we are talking about here ,, there were many hidden messages through out the game which weren’t in subtitles for deaf people

[@picgmr1575]

@@monkaeyes3417 secrets dont need to be accessible. thats like, the whole point

[@kolbyjackcorgi]

"I know you ghost of Sparta. Nice to meet you at last." "You remember mimir?" "Oh yes. I remember." "Making a rune to your kin (Jotunn?)." "Eh. Go now to Jotunn for funeral." "I know the pain of loss." "This one fathered me." "A funeral for mother/modir." That's what I can hear in some of it. Giants have prescient knowledge. What the serpent doesn't already know, Angrboda may have told him.

[@alexandarpetrov1275]

Bro this comment has to be pinned. You just translated the whole thing, thanks

[@kolbyjackcorgi]

@@alexandarpetrov1275 Thanks. Much of it is lip-reading since the game is primarily mo-capped. Can't say it's wholly accurate, but you can get most of the gist just from that. Mimir's was harder since his mouth isn't facing the camera.

[@ahmadidrismohdnoor8448]

@@kolbyjackcorgi bro so what did Atreus say to the world serpent when he summoned him

[@lukang117]

@@ahmadidrismohdnoor8448 please translate that part!

[@jahmedgilani4043]

Yes please pin this!

[@snowbearer]

This is a pretty classic case of confirmation biast. Since it's a "language" 98-99.9999% probably don't know, we try to make sense of it by fitting it into the "mold" of the english language, most of us do understand. Same happened with people seeking hidden messages in rock/metal albums of the 70s and 80s. We hear it, because we WANT and kinda need it to make sense.

[@Amartin-mu6oj]

The most rational comment here, and you're definitely right.

[@Dragonlord826]

Then again specificlly only for their first encounter it does make sense that he would say "I know you ghost of Sparta" and to us the players it sounds as gibberish because the creators of the game would leave it as a hidden message. World serpent is an Intelligent creature who lived for ages he likely could've known about Kratos since Mimir knew aswell. It's one thing to say it's a bootleg hidden message but in recent years hiding things in audio has gotten more popular and common.

[@Amartin-mu6oj]

@@Dragonlord826 Then again, that's simply not the case.

[@davidnewcomb7466]

@Dragon You’re kind of putting the cart before the horse. You gotta establish evidence before motive and what we have really doesn’t meat that threshold.

[@Dragonlord826]

@@davidnewcomb7466 well it's like an Easter egg. Whether he does say that or not doesn't really make a difference in the story all it would say is "I know you're strong and I know you're innocent from how they treated you" it works with the story because WS chooses to help Kratos likely because he's from the future aswell where Kratos secret could be revealed.

[@Chaos0310]

Couldn’t tell anything from the second set of dialogue. But Jorm trying his best to communicate with the husband and child of Faye seems reasonable enough.

[@Tycho]

the child of faye being his father xD

[@Circurose]

@@Tycho Time Travel!

[@colyph676]

you mean his father and grandfather?

[@redheadsilver8041]

"he speaks a dead tongue". Yes, because he's speaking ancient Greek in his slow and bellowing way, to the only two individuals who speak that language. No one else in the norse world will understand Jormie. And this also makes Atreus speaking to Jormie something possible because he subconsciously made the link between the language he speak with Kratos and Jormie's language. the boy does have a knack for language as Mimir once told him.

[@chefboiardeeznutz9881]

If he was speaking ancient Greek, kratos wouldve mentioned it when mimir was speaking back to the snake.

[@alexsmith6482]

*the BOY

[@chefboiardeeznutz9881]

@thekosiara That still doesnt mean anything, whether it's slow or not.

[@gipsymelody1268]

@@chefboiardeeznutz9881 yeah! cause even if it is super slow you will realizing some words!

[@gipsymelody1268]

@thekosiara dude try it with your native language on youtube! you can slowing the videos!

[@xxmatsuomixx7304]

Mimir is one of favorite characters he brings so much humor to an otherwise pretty serious game

[@newt2120]

hope to see him again soon

[@Vegitobluuuuu]

The go to Manscaped part got me rolling on the floor laughing 😂

[@imanrich800gaming]

😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@royhyde8842]

Riiiiiiiiight 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@Vanb215]

I actually liked the video solely for that part lol i died

[@DUDULALALALALALA]

Lol

[@somalicious3569]

I think the whole "I know you Ghost of Sparta" thing, is contradicted by their next interaction with the serpent after they find Mimir. Mimir mistakenly says they're friends of Odin, and Jormungandr gets angry and prepares to attack . If he knows of Kratos as the Ghost of Sparta then technically he should know he isn't an ally of the Aesir.

[@dotexe8870]

Wait for ragnarok, you’ll understand when you realize he’s Atreus offspring.

[@THEYCANTSTOPME]

@@dotexe8870 yeah the whole story already complete shit is awesome like that scene Kratos saw him and Atreus souls leaving their body

[@sakaiclips]

Interesting theory

[@THEYCANTSTOPME]

@@dotexe8870 I think the wolves are Atreus's

[@dotexe8870]

@@THEYCANTSTOPME fernrir is, and skoll and hati are fenrirs children

[@shaer6]

I love how GOW has been out since 2018 an yet has the world talking about it few years on

[@kavin3634]

GTA San Andreas has been out since 2005 and still one the most popular game till date

[@shaer6]

@@kavin3634 holy shit that taken me back to the days for sure.. still remember when it was released now that also was one bad ass game .. however I still haven't played GTA 5 for some reason but should get too it

[@cookingwithkratos]

U should see my last video

[@lewispooper3138]

@@shaer6 dark souls is like 13 years old and any “hard game” is called the dark souls of “insert here”

[@miransherwan5644]

Skyrim is 10 years old and people still making theories and discoveries about the lore

[@evoxghiretti]

"I know you God Slayer" is what the first part sounds like to me sped up. "Magni is near" is what the second part sounds like. As if he imbued the axe with the ability to kill him and sent him to do the dead.

[@evoxghiretti]

@Arkham secrets • 108 years ago It sounds less like ghost of sparta and more like something else. it would make more sense to be ghost of sparta than godslayer but the syllables dont sound like gos

[@yoshi9538]

Deed

[@bipstymcbipste5641]

He's not speaking English though. Why would it be anything in English?

[@evoxghiretti]

@@bipstymcbipste5641 That's exactly what this video is about is it not?

[@evoxghiretti]

Just throwing it out there. Tyr calls Kratos "God Killer" in the newest trailer, which could also be what the serpent calls him.

[@erenjageralmuhed6029]

i dont think katos will be a serpent in ragnerok he is just grand son and know a little of kratos language

[@josesuarez7484]

4:57 I'll translate! - "Thiiiissss kiiid iiiis your daaa-a-ad." -*"HOLY SHIIIIIIT!!!"*

[@BottleSizedMusic]

😂

[@kingjar5891]

Coming back to this now it should have been obvious that Atreus mother was a giant cause she described the world serpent as “friendly” instead of “neutral”

[@andrewfewtrell3983]

I find it strange that the world serpent says "he knows the pain of your loss." I understand that the world serpent and Faye were friends, but I don't think that would give him a direct reflection to Kratos's pain. Unless the serpent is referring to the death of certain giants or the realm itself. Would be strange to place the whole world and the game into a strange time loop.

[@JoshuaTalley6661foREVer]

Jormungandr was suggesting he’s also lost a wife at some point in his life and understands the pain Kratos feels. He’s thousands of years old

[@randomguy3080]

I also interpreted this as saying he knows the pain of losing a Mother, meaning the mom could die in the next game, maybe she like “gives birth” through magic, creating the serpent, but dies doing so

[@smugreptile6695]

Jormungandr is the last of the Giants besides Loki/Atreus. Mimir hints to the Norse world view of Ragnarok being an endless cycle, and that Thor and Jorm fight so violently that Jorm is sent into the past. He is essentially stuck in an eternal cycle of being the last Giant standing. Cause if Atreus is THE Loki, then he "Births" Jormungandr. Which would leave him among the last of the giants to start with. And if that connection is true, then he does know the pain of their loss, because he knew Faye well. And she would have been his grandmother. Stuck in that cycle. Knowing the rest of your kind are dead. Only to bare the loss of what little of your family remains over and over again.

[@lillonerboi504]

@@JoshuaTalley6661foREVer Not really thousands of years old. More stuck in an unending loop.

[@kikicalderon38]

All I here is "aoaoaoaoaoaooaoaoaoa'

[@mrkthmn]

Hilariously Google offered to translate that for me, lol!

[@yokotubene]

Definitely reaching in my opinion. No way he's saying that. The World Serpent didn't even know who Kratos was because at one point he (the serpent) thought that Kratos was a friend of Odin.

[@jacobbenear2206]

I mean he couldve known about the ghost of Sparta and what he looked like from the stories and not needing to know Kratos himself but at the same time that would've been a small detail at best with no real meaning cause I think he means he recognizes arteus

[@65firered]

I think he knew who he was but didn't fully know his intentions. This would make sense if he's aware of the stories of the Ghost of Sparta but never met him or doesn't remember him. If Jorm was born after Kratos "dies" then it makes sense that he would be aware of who he is and unaware of his full identity or intentions.

[@yokotubene]

@@65firered If he knew the Ghost of Sparta like he supposedly says he does, then he would know that Kratos hates gods and would NOT be a friend to Odin. This is why I find this theory highly unlikely.

[@65firered]

@@yokotubene If you recall, not everyone who knows who the Ghost of Sparta is knows his intentions. I'm going under the assumption he's aware of the legend not the person which means as far as Jorm is concerned his intentions are questionable. Granted, this theory itself is a stretch but I trying to work with what we got. Personally, I don't really have a horse in this race, I'm just throwing ideas at the wall for the hell of it.

[@thundercrash4775]

Jormungandr didn't think Kratos was a friend of Odin. That's what Mimir accidentally told the Serpent, because while he does speak the Giant's language, this is the first time he's done it while not being drunk.

[@gravy180rs]

I’m not sure I buy this theory at all. First off, why would he say “I know you ghost of Sparta” but then mistake Kratos as being a friend of Odin’s in their second encounter? If he recognises Kratos, surely he would recognise that he isn’t a friend of Odin’s. Secondly, if he can say that in English surely he would’ve been able to converse with Mimir in English? Mimir even states the Serpent speaks a dead tongue and he is the only other being left who can speak it. Also, when Mimir tells you later on what Jorm actually said he said that he recognises Atreus - Kratos isn’t even mentioned. In my view, this and the fact that there doesn’t seem to be any mention in the murals or dialogue that Kratos is even around during the events of Ragnarok itself is the only thing that lends any kind of potential credence to the “Kratos is the world serpent” theory. If that is the case then it would make sense that the serpent doesn’t recognise or at least mention recognising Kratos, because he IS Kratos. However, this could just as easily be explained by the possibility that Kratos is either dead before the Serpent is born and the events of Ragnarok, or he is simply keeping well out of the way. Now as for that infamous mural, in my honest opinion I don’t think it’s Kratos, I think it’s Tyr. As for it looking like Atreus is birthing the serpent out of his mouth, it looks more to me like a speech bubble which could Indicate Atreus screaming or cursing at the sky. Honestly I think this theory is a really big reach, I think he’s just greeting Kratos/Atreus in his language tbh, the fact that it sounds like “I know you ghost of Sparta” is just complete coincidence Imo.

[@tomadough]

I'd imagine polymorph is a thing in this world.

[@Nutterbutter123]

Maybe they used English and heavily edited it into the language, and had Mimir just sing syllables? That could be why it sounds familiar But yeah I like this theory way better

[@blu3d3vil97]

Dead tongue might be greek, i dont buy the theory either tho Serpent being agry even if it was kratos could still work with different reasons: Partial memory loss, He got angry at mimir for even suggesting such a thing Or the most likely one => time travel changed the timeline, which would cause kratos to be PISSED if he and atreus got fuked over by him going into the past as jorm. I dont believe its kratos either thi

[@notproductiveproductions3504]

Also it’s well knows that when you hear your own language in a movie, show, game, comic, etc, the language for the audience and the canonically spoken language aren’t the same tongue

[@virtual_bomber5698]

The only other person I’ve seen who thinks it is Tyr as well In the mural, they made it a point not to show the arms of the character on the mural. And clever Cory Barlow actually showed us tyr was always alive even before the trailer last year. In the trailer is shows him chained around his neck and feet. On the jotnar shrine where tyr walks the realm between realms, the 3rd panel shows Thor and Odin standing above tyr and if you look closely it shows the chain going around his neck and feet. Cory pretty much said the entire story has been laid out in the first game because he said everything is put there for a specific reason in one of his interviews. I honestly can’t wait to see this next game and how they tie everything in.

[@randomguy3080]

If he knows the pain of their loss, that means he either knows the pain of losing a lover, or knows the pain losing a mother, which I’m guessing is more likely, meaning in the next game, we might see the death of his mom

[@pedinhuh16]

Or he just knows that Faye died

[@masterklaw4527]

@@pedinhuh16 And further more, he maybe he didn't know until Mimir told him why Kratos and Atreus were headed to the mountain.

[@megaknight6173]

You were wrong

[@TheFruitofTruth]

See one of the issues I have with this theory is that The snake says he knows who they are but ol heady tells him Kratos is friends with Odin and the snake gets pissed if the snake knows them he should already know they aren’t friends of Odin

[@saylosrelyks8645]

I don't think the last mural in Jotunheim is Kratos, going back through the game i took a good look at the murals and Kratos is carved very specifically and consistently the same in ALL the murals but the person who Atreus is holding looks completely different than the previous murals, Kratos is always shown on his left side with tattoos and the colors of his sash are red and grey, the person in the last mural is shown on their right side and their sash is dark blue with hints of orangish red, so if the mural is as cut and dry as many players believe than it wouldn't make much sense for the Giants to get to the last mural and be like "let's change up the colors and design of the characters and throw consistency out the window for the last mural."

[@KkevrockK]

Betcha it’s Tyr

[@farah.t]

its tyr

[@godofaccedie8229]

On one of the murals it shows the right side of kratos and they just put the tattoo on the right side.

[@juliendimattia8871]

Plus the hand is all scratched out, further hinting at it being tyr

[@TimelessTransience]

While I agree in not thinking it's Kratos, and for all the reasons you state, I do think it is possible that _an_ explanation for "Kratos facing the other direction" could relate to his death/dying. I'm not saying that's what this, per se, just a notion. Sometimes directions have symbolic meaning.

[@gunziro169]

Let's hope we don't have to fight the world serpent in ragarock it would make me sad

[@snafuthegreat]

Nah. Jomurndgandr won't go against his daddy and grandpa.

[@rais6036]

From lore and character perspective it would suck but from a purely combat pov it would be awesome to fight a MASSIVE serpent

[@purplefidelity5162]

It's a giant snake in a God of War game. I'd be surprised if we didn't have to fight this big son of a bitch

[@blueskadoo1402]

@@purplefidelity5162 They've stretched the mythology(of course) but they did show Fenrir and Tyr with his hand still. I'm thinking Fenrir is gonna be a big fight with Tyr losing his hand, and probably have Jomurndgandr help fight Thor either in Ragnarok or the(probable) 3rd game where Odin will be the big baddy.

[@OMGitsTerasu]

Ragnarok*

[@DarkDao]

First part does sound like "I know you, GoS", even though is sounds more like They know you, Death and Thunder, but last part does not sound like "find Mimir and go", much more like *something* Ymir and War. Maybe "They know you, Death and Thunder (Son?), blood of Ymir and War." Dunno, something like that.

[@ashm4938]

Sounds closer to "I know you Kratos of Sparta" to me

[@VaeVictis96]

None of it is in English, whatever you're hearing is clearly just in your mind.

[@snarf2400]

​@@VaeVictis96 fr, how are this many people so niave. Do they genuinely belive he's speaking in some sort of English? 😂🤦‍♂️ They literally say in game he speaks his own language, and nobody can understand him

[@VaeVictis96]

@@snarf2400 Exactly! I mean it took Mirmir the smartest guy in the game a long time to realise he was the ghost of sparta ffs lol but the serpent knew straight off the bat who he was exactly? Lmao

[@snarf2400]

@@VaeVictis96 tbf, that's not the part I have issue with. The serpent does actually know who they are somewhat. Mimir says later on the serpent says they seem familiar. This is probably because his fight with Thor at Ragnarok is said to shake the world tree, and send the serpent back in time. Pre dating his own birth. The part that's just flat put ridiculous, is the insinuation that you can translate what he's saying, as if he's speaking broken English 😂 it's absurd. Just a few hours of playing this game would debunk this instantly.

[@9thharbingerofthefatui]

About the theory, the thing i hear most was “I know you” and “Find Mimir”, the rest is unclear to me. But after playong Ragnarok, it makes sense. This Jormungandr was the one who was sent back in time after all, he will know that we need Mimir to continue this journey.

[@NeroMystyra]

What worries me is that Mimir says Jormungander “knows the pain of your loss”. Makes me wonder what loss is future Jormungander referring to…who is he going to lose in the future that will make him know the pain of losing a family member? Is it subtle forshadowing of his grandfather Kratos’s death? His father Loki? His mother Angrboda? His siblings Fenrir and Hel?

[@odinwarlock2436]

Gotta be angerboda. We don't know the status of Hel but Fenris is alive in Ragnarok. Loki is definitely not gonna die.

[@calebstephan2083]

@@odinwarlock2436 if you're talking about actual myth, both Fenrir and Loki die. Loki is killed by Heimdall and Fenrir is killed by one of Odin's sons after Fenrir eats Odin

[@Tyzilla0130]

I think the reason the first one can be understood to some degree is because the world serpent knows neither of them speak his ancient language so he tries to make his speaking sound as close to their language as he can in hopes they understand (clearly they did not) and the second time cannot be understood because now Mimir is there to translate the ancient language so the serpent simply used the ancient language

[@AScribblingTurtle]

Interestingly, taking out the effects that make the voice booming makes it less recognizable to me. I can hear the "I know you " and the " Ghost of" but "Sparta" does not sound right. If the Serpent is Kratos, he would not have such trouble saying it. There would also be no need for Mimir, since Kratos (as the Serpant) would A.) recognize himself and B.) Speak the same language as Kratos (the Man/God), which then would have to be greek. The whole thing is an auditory illusion. Our Brain trying to make sense of otherwise nonsesical audio. (The same effect, like when people claiming to hear the voices of the dead in the static noise of analog TVs)

[@TimelessTransience]

You're point about auditory illusion is especially true when you consider that most of us only hear this after being told what the theory is. It's like the Brainstorm/Green Needle thing (also maybe Yanny/Laurel). The option being shown to us and our attention brought to those words primes us to hear them. Obviously, though, some people heard it this way first, elsewise I doubt we'd have the priming context for more of us to hear it now. I still only really got the "I know you" and sort of the "Mimir," but everything else does not sound as convincing as the video seems to think - at least for me.

[@AScribblingTurtle]

​@@TimelessTransience Exactly. Our brain does not put much work into understanding nonsensical audio, so it will choose the next best thing. The same happens to me with music all the time. Certain vocals only start to make sense once I've read the lyrics. After reading the lyrics, all that has changed is my understanding, yet the Song sounds completely different sometimes.

[@smugreptile6695]

I think you guys are on the right track here. I think anything we can "recognize" is probably a red herring. Considering I think the speech is meant to be in the language of the Giants, who are all dead, save for Atreus and Jorm. And Atreus doesn't even know how to speak it till the end. So having it be essentially gibberish is reflective of both Kratos and the players understanding of the situation. Its a language sure, but one we have never heard before and one we have no clues how to understand, much like Kratos himself. Even when Atreus speaks it at the end Kratos asks "Boy?" in a tone of "what did you just do?". His understanding of it doesn't increase. Just like the players don't. So when he/we see Jorm come slamming into the dead giant, we get what Atreus said by virtue of call and response, not understanding itself. Plus as a few others have mentioned, picking out phrases or words are not going to cut it with the Giant language. They are getting full lengthy dialogues in a few simple phrases that English would take paragraphs to do. It has single words that can mean whole sentences, and our language just is not structured in a way that can directly translate that. Leading to Mimir speaking vague when trying to translate for Kratos.

[@SarKwadwo]

God of war developer: let's just add some noise for the serpents voice KZbinrs: 🤯🤯

[@monkeybrain0212]

It really does sound like an extremely old garbled version of English. I never would have noticed it without this video. This is so interesting! And since Nordic and other old languages once formed English to begin with, it kind of makes sense for him to sound like he's saying actual words

[@arthuramorim8188]

So, here are things that I noticed and are probably true: 1) The last thing that they both speak, Mimir and the World Serpent, means actually "Goodbye" or something in those lines. You can tell by the "body language" or "head language" of Mimir after he says it, turning his back to the Ancient Being. Also you can notice that they both say the same thing: Efni ooooo-fooooon-goooor. Which again, probably means some sort of wish you well as a goodbye. 2) The first thing that Mimir says obviously means "I am called Mimir" followed by the same phrase by the World Serpent with the difference only being the name in the end. This indicates that the theory that the World Serpent is trying to speak "English" at the start may actually make some sense as he definetly speaks of Mimir in that phrase because we can compare the sound from how Mimir says his own name in that tongue and they are very very similar if not identical. 3) The only thing that I couldn't really understand was the phrase from when Mimir says: "He knows the pain of your loss", which, if the points 1) and 2) are correct, means that it also makes Mimir say: "Curious", probably meaning he is trying to understand how that the World Serpent "KNOWS" the pain of his loss, giving even more credibility to the teory that the World Serpent IS actually Kratos, because he also felt it.

[@arthuramorim8188]

+ I think the first things the Serpent says are actually: I know you Ghost of Sparda Find Mimir Last One: (this is actually in his tongue and means Goodbye) as he said it at the end of both conversations along with Mimir

[@eheh8303]

Nah 100% not kratos how do u even get to that.

[@arthuramorim8188]

@@eheh8303 That is not a theory of mine, it's all over in this comment section, I'm just saying that there's nothing holding it back from being true

[@GweiTheLeafChild]

The curious thing could be referring to Mimir hearing that he recognizes Atreus, as for the pain of their loss, I believe this is actually referring to him learning of Faye's death. Mimir probably told him what the two were doing, going to the realm of the Giants to spread the ashes of Faye.

[@russellbranton5602]

Your theory on Atreus/Loki somehow morphing a dead/dying Kratos into or becoming the world serpent is quite interesting. If you go back and look at that "final" panel in Jotunheim, in the bottom right hand corner, there is Atreus walking "away" from something with a wolf leading his way. I never bought into Kratos dying til I saw that part of the mural. And yes, the world serpent DID kind of resemble Kratos. The seaweed beard kinda sold it, lol.

[@ginogiovannischiavone7940]

What if instead of his theory about the serpent being Kratos, it is instead actually Atreus in trying to save Tyr after a deadly battle between him and say Kratos which would explain why they would split in the end and create the end of the Norse mythology. But In trying to save Tyr from his inevitable death births the serpent from him which would explain the Golden eyes he displays and even the beard like appearance the serpent has.

[@kingartison]

I like how this channel operates very clear and direct

[@TheRandomhero14]

you mean shaving those balls ?

[@Decs_editz]

5:03 if you listen close it sounds like he says holy shit

[@danteshammer]

It's tyr. Cory barlog said that if you see the face in the carving is blocked off. Doesn't necessarily have to be kratos. But he's tall white and has a beard. So does tyr. But tyr has yellow eyes just like the world serpent

[@its_a_fluke]

And a missing hand and that part of the mural is chipped off

[@yourfavniko]

I thought it sounds like "I know you ghost of Sparta. Find Mimir and Gróa."

[@PKacademy317]

This was one of the BEST experiences ever in my game history

[@traviswarden5754]

"I know you ghost of Sparta. Find Mimir and Groa." He knows those two are instrumental to shutting down Odin.

[@youssefyoussef9418]

when serpent meets mimir i think the first thing he says “I know you, hello mimir” but the rest i dont really know.

[@ArnieOcfemia]

2:52 Some translations I found from other comments: These are other possible dialogues after he says "I know you, Ghost of Sparta" • "Find Mimir, and you will learn" • "Nice to meet you, God of War"

[@GhostGamer25]

I always thought the part if he says "Find Mimir" Always thought it's like "Find Mimir, he will help."

[@Raido_Runic]

It's even more interesting when you know how the thing turned out in the sequel. Loki didn't give birth to the world seprent literally, but placed a soul of a giant into a soulless body of a snake. And in the end we saw how Thor smashed Yormungand through time.

[@oldtimegames96]

This has been bugging me for a long time, but in original Norse mythos, Loki was also responsible for the short handle on Mjolnir. If Kratos is father of Atreus/Loki, who was responsible for the forging(indirectly) of Mjolnir?

[@Mysterythehedgehog]

I recall that the two dwarfs we meet in the game forged Mjolnir. Atleast I recall them commenting how they forged something for Thor.

[@oldtimegames96]

@@Mysterythehedgehog you are not getting my point. Loki made a bet against the brothers in which, if brothers lose the best, they would give their gifts for free. But if Loki lost the best, his (Loki's) head would be chopped off. To make the dwarves lose the best, Loki tried to sabotage their work, resulting in a short handled hammer called Mjolnir. This is what is bugging me. In GoW, Loki/Atreus is Kratos' son, but Mjolnir already exists in this world as a small handle hammer.

[@jesseflores2818]

@@oldtimegames96 In the game, Brok and Sindri make Mjolnir. They were paid to make it and agreed to make it, so they can greatly increase their popularity as master blacksmiths. Simple as that. There was no bet and Loki/Atreus had no part in the creation of it.

[@oldtimegames96]

@@jesseflores2818 ok, but then why make the handle so short? Of they were making a flawless product, then the handle should be a lot longer, as higher head speed = more damage

[@ctr1502]

@@oldtimegames96 they never really tackled the length of the hammer in game so far. It was never mentioned in the first game at all. It makes me think it was a deliberate move based on the fact the brothers created a nuke hammer for Thor. Can't argue with its power.

[@ararepotato1420]

First meeting. "I know of you, ghost of Sparta." "Find Mimir, he will help." Conversation with Mimir "I do remember you." "I to know the pain of loss." "That boy, he looks familiar."

[@Dissonant-Clash]

I haven't seen any GoW theories up to now from the 2018 game, and all I can say is my mind is blowing up into many pieces right now.

[@rurijo3169]

I wasn’t sure if Jormungandr was actually speaking another language, or he was just so big that to them that what he was saying wasn’t registering because his voice was so loud and deep

[@UnusualSquid-qp9tf]

I think I heard "I know you ghost of Sparta find Mimir and grow"

[@Ghost21588]

Same

[@amiradicoolisa8407]

I really wanted to see what this is about because this is YEARS old and only just now getting a video.

[@rais6036]

Other KZbinrs have made videos on it

[@onkelreyleigh6353]

It's been literally four years. I know the US had Trump and we all had quarantine, so we all feel about 40 years older but that's really not that long considering the follow up is coming very soon

[@rais6036]

@@onkelreyleigh6353 mate wtf are you on

[@onkelreyleigh6353]

@@rais6036 never said anything about no videocontent being pulled from God of War over the last 4 years. I've said it's been 4 years since God of War(2018)was released and that 4 years is not a lot of time, even though it CAN feel a lot longer

[@rais6036]

@@onkelreyleigh6353 learn to comprehend the comment was talking about the serpent translation topic not talking about the gap between GOW 2018 and Ragnarok

[@KingShalamar]

In the second audio clip it sounded like he said fimbulwinter towards the end

[@ajtheva6694]

Weather its true or not, that voice is just epic

[@danielh3303]

Dont call me crazy but look in its eyes and as soon as it gets up close it almost looks like recanetion in its eyes.

[@ethanbennett8912]

ive replayed the second audio a couple of times and this is what i hear "I know you" "i've heard your fury" "i've lost to" "i will help you" "I thank you". ive gone back and listened to the full conversation and only some of those make sense in the context we also cant understand mimir but we can infer what hes saying because he talks to kratos at the same time explaining whats going on in a very vague way, but this is literally the first time of trying this kinda thing. also the theory of Kratos being jormungandr might be true but not the way you think in mythology thor dies during ragnarok in a great battle with jormungandr and the next game God of war Ragnarok has clearly shown Kratos vs thor and kratos most likely will kill thor like every other god hes fought asside from Zeus and baldur who took a couple fights but this would mean kratos dies as a result of this fight which Atreus culd transform kratos into a snake who with kratos noledge of traveling to the past would go back to help his previous self or he would just beat thor and live idk just a theory.

[@stevenportillo7353]

I dont if you guys know but the world serpent has spent time in different universes which meant he forsaw past and future events of the first game and and ragnarok. Mimir supports this whenever you travel between realms.

[@bigtiredpotato]

If I remember correctly, the mural scene is better explained. Kratos is unnerved about what Atreus is doing but he doesn't recognize the dying man. So it's pretty much spelled out that the person is Tyr and not Kratos.

[@kienphucnguyen2001]

1:03 holy shit he actually said it!!!

[@tylercoy6619]

Sounds more like "I thank you ghost of Sparta, welcome to the nine realms" or "I know you ghost of Sparta, welcome to the nine realms" or even " I know you son of spartan, welcome to nine the realms."

[@bioberserkrgaming]

I hate how people think that any of this is fact. While it is likely he would tell them to go to mimir. It is also likely the people are projecting english onto what is very obviously the jotunn language. It is Heavily implied that mimir (and eventually atreus) are the only people that understand him. If the snake only understands jotunn why (and how?!) would jormy even attempt to speak english? People who know a few words of a language dont try to have wholeass native level conversations

[@TheBlu3Jay]

🤡

[@kojimbek2817]

In the prophecy mural in the Jotunheim you can notice that Atreus is bald and Kratos looks different. There could be 2 reasons for that: 1. The mural was designed very early into game's development and hasn't been changed much by the developers up to the release. Or... 2. The mural shows us the events of a parallel universe. A completely different Atreus and Kratos, that look a lot like their prototypes from an early 2015 version of the game, are involved in an event of some sorts that alters our (GOW 2018) universe's story. It may have also affected the time travel and such things that seems to be playing a bigger role in the sequel. I don't know how that would work, but it sounds sick as Hel. Also, it's just a little detail I've noticed.

[@Songokulight2467]

I don't think "demos" of the game have to do with the lore so in my opinion you smoked something

[@ondrejmatus7295]

Atrees is Loki- and Word Serpent is Son of Loki

[@paperboathat]

In game, he’s saying something, but in reality, his voice actor said random gibberish and edited the voice. The sound director i think it is? Anyway there was an interview where he was fighting with autotune to not pitch correct it. Interesting coincidence, but no, its just random noises.

[@friedpixel7517]

The drawing isnt of atreus "birthing" the serpent. It was confirmed to just be a visualization of atreus screaming or howling

[@Manan_Agrawal056]

watched the whole thing thrice... still cant make out even the editted version by myself... never-the-less it got me hyped for ragnarok

[@shaurabshahi6612]

Hahha

[@twinkiebeyond]

Not sure why Jormy would refer to “himself” as “Ghost of Sparta” instead of just himself. The Internet thinks he’s saying, “I know you, ME.” This is dumb.

[@brandonboogaard3583]

To me the second half of what the serpent says sounds like “find Mimir and grow” which makes a lot of sense to me in the context of the next game and sort of the first Norse god of war game is about the growth and development of Atreus as Kratos is learning to become a father through this journey as well

[@aksiboynuz]

Thanks Brandon, I was gonna say the same and glad I searched the comments before typing :) Grow part makes the most sense to me in par with the storyline and comic book that tells about the time of Kratos's early days in these lands.

[@commit_heck]

At 5:48 with what mimir said earlier, i think it says "your loss seems/feels familiar" but, thats up for debate.

[@ShreeBAD]

Well if the serpent was Atreus' son, it's only right he takes after his grandfather somehow. Especially mourning his grandmother. 🙏🏽

[@parkersas1499]

6:05 I think I heard something along the lines of “hello father” at the start and the rest I’m not sure about

[@JayLavish]

Wow I never even noticed that! That’s amazing, it makes me want to play again not going to lie 😂 I heard it “I know you, ghost of Sparta “ It’s just the way his voice is makes it sound disoriented since he is the world serpent.. but this was an amazing find ! 🔥🔥

[@godzilla7245]

Yeah it makes sense,since Nordic gods know what Kratos did to Zeus and other gods,it wouldn't surprise me that old creatures like World serpent know about him too

[@Blood-Dragon]

I think I heard him say"he looks familiar" for a second when I first played and was correct after Mimir said that Jorm recognized Atreus.

[@aarontarkington7150]

this theory is respectfully garbage, kratos somehow turning into the world serpent? just from a reach on the serpent's first bit of dialogue? that makes no sense story wise or mythology wise.

[@fatihaelomari4954]

Yea it’s far fetched and doesn’t work literally read my comments I explained why but the panel in jotunheim is still mysterious and a good piece of evidence for this

[@aarontarkington7150]

@@fatihaelomari4954 which panel in jotunheim?

[@fatihaelomari4954]

@@aarontarkington7150 the last one

[@fatihaelomari4954]

@@aarontarkington7150 Kratos death

[@AbyssScythe]

So you actually believe that the world Serpent is Kratos sent back in time to fight Thor you can also tell that it might be Kratos because of that beard that the world serpent has if that’s your theory then I support it cause it’s a really interesting one

[@luckyowl6432]

I appreciate the theory and can kind of understand where it comes from but I really don't hear it. I think it's a different language entirely but I'd be happy for the game to prove otherwise come November 😁

[@paperboathat]

I commented it earlier, but the reason you dont hear it is because the voice actor isnt speaking. Its random gibberish that they edited together.

[@DJ_Rythmixx_314]

After finishing Ragnarok……the serpent said he recognized Atreus. Did I miss the answer to that in 2018? Then the giant serpent seen fighting Thor in the endgame was the one Atreus saved with the giant soul he put into, Thor then knocks the serpent back into time…..is this the same serpent? I’m so confused lol

[@Woodsman9273]

This is all moot. He can’t speak English, only Jötnar. One of the many reasons why the game makes us end up picking up Mimir. The only words that came even close to English were their names, and even then it was extremely drawn out in their pronunciation

[@Himmyjewett]

what makes you think that, the serpent is ancient by the time and lives in midgard he must likely knows English

[@spino1101]

i'm french and since the game came out ,for the second part of his speech i just can't stop hearing "ma famille a Ebola" (my family has Ebola) and it's fucking me up lmao, like, i can CLEARLY hear it 1:17

[@snarf2400]

I mean, I don't doubt you think you can hear it, but you can't. He's not speaking English mate, there's plenty other scenes in game of him speaking words that mean absolutely nothing. What, he just speaks a blend of broken English and gibberish? 😂 He speaks his own language, and nobody other than Mimir can understand him. It literally tells you this in the game

[@theuntitledculturepodcast]

Bruh! I can really hear it that is amazing dude you killed it!

[@snarf2400]

Not really. Simply plying the game debunks this instantly...

[@DarkZarrar]

"...find Mimir he will help"

[@haroun5690]

Find mimir he will help

[@DarkZarrar]

5:12 in this part he seems to be speaking in English "this boy looks familiar"

[@hannesgreen638]

Dude. He speaks the language of the giants. Stop.

[@ConnorLonergan]

Yes, he speaks the Giant Language, and this is a video trying to translate it. If you think the translation is wrong, feel free to point out where they messed up.

[@hannesgreen638]

@@ConnorLonergan it's not even close to a translation lol he's just messing with the audio trying to make it sound like english.

[@ConnorLonergan]

@@hannesgreen638 Yes he is messing with the audio, but not to "make it sound like english." but to try and clear it up to better hear the audio on it's own.

[@hannesgreen638]

@@ConnorLonergan Did we watch the same video? "I know you ghost of Sparta find mimir and go"? Is that not english?

[@ConnorLonergan]

@@hannesgreen638 yes, and that is what the translation theory is arguing it is.

[@0ne0nlyLarry]

It's about time someone finally did a breakdown as to what he's saying

[@nderamaharie5360]

Manscaped LOL!

[@ArnavSingh20APR]

Idk about y’all but the find mimir part sounded much like mama Mia

[@MutantCyborg001]

Nice clickbait XD

[@VideoGameSophistry]

Uhhh the fuck?

[@riverdavis8124]

I think he says/I know u ghost of Sparta find mimir he will help

[@hannesgreen638]

No. Just no. There's no theory here. No.

[@ConnorLonergan]

Except there is, the world serpent speaks in a foreign tougne that has no precise translation. So the question is, "what did the world Serpeant say exactly?"

[@aarontarkington7150]

@@ConnorLonergan except there isn't, it was confirmed that he's speaking a dead tongue, not english. this video is trying to say that what he's saying SOUNDS like english, not actually trying to translate it.

[@ConnorLonergan]

@@aarontarkington7150 yes he is speaking a dead tougne, a dead tougne that the theory is arguing sounds clear enough that we could under stand what it was trying to say.

[@aarontarkington7150]

@@ConnorLonergan that's not what it's arguing at all. it's saying the serpent is saying "i know you ghost of sparta" because it sounds like that in english. the serpent is not speaking english, it's speaking a dead tongue, meaning that it can no longer be translated because nobody speaks it anymore. there's no actual translation from one language to another taking place in this video, it's saying the serpent is speaking english which its not.

[@powermonkey346]

I think the first time we met him he doing his best to speak English. Second time though I think he’s just speaking giant, since he talking to mimir who knows the language

[@keybladegames_real]

You hear what you want to hear. before I always heard it as normal Giant language but after you claimed it's "I know you ghost of Sparta" I start hearing it. I don't remember the name of it but basically if you think it's what you hear and you hear it. to prove this there is a short on KZbin that plays audio. it shows you two words and if you listen for either the audio will sound like either one that you're thinking

[@braydensampson8443]

Ima be pissed off if they kill kratos in ragnorok but I won’t be to happy if they turn him into jurmingander

[@M.A.D.1]

I know you. Through the Symbol. Mimir is wrong

[@jormungandr3498]

When Mimir said that the world serpent knows the pain of Kratos's lost it really makes sense, as you said the world serpent could potentially be future Kratos sent back in time

[@Lord_KillerBee]

In the first encounter it does sound like the world serpent does say "I know you" but doesn't distinguish who he was speaking to. He might've been speaking to Atreus since, if Atreus is Loki, then he is seeing his father as a child. In Norse legends, jormungandr was one of the offspring of Loki and rises from the sea when Ragnarok unfolded.

[@galacticendeavors2304]

Bro he’s speaking in Jotan why would we think of it as English?

[@kwasiahenkora6583]

The serpent is speaking a whole different language. Hence why Mimir has to translate for Kratos and Atreus later in the game…

[@zack.maltese]

The serpent probably just spoke his language and it sounded like what was found in the video. It’s all just a coincidence

[@bmanvoo]

"I know you ghost of Sparta. Find mimir. He will help."

[@Booooooce]

Jormungandr was blown back in time to where God of War 2018 takes place after his battle with Thor during Ragnarok. Jormungandr is actually recognizing Atreus here because Loki is the father of three children, one of them being Jormungandr.

[@GodlyODB]

First meeting he tries to speak to them in a language we understand. Second meeting he’s speaking his dead tongue with mimir. Jormun only almost switched up because mimirs’ language barrier, he mispronounced something which is why he had to reiterate to Jormund.