I Love Free Software...But I Still Use Proprietary Software

[@bukowskii]

Finding an FOSS program to replace a proprietary piece of software has become a fun hobby. There are so many FOSS programs out there that are sometimes better than what proprietary offers.

[@Ghfvhvfg]

Adobe has good integration between software but few cases of software most times foss is better.

[@UltimusShadow.]

Same here at first it's like a fun tech easter egg hunt. PC OS-Linux Mobile OS-LineageOS Mail Clients-Thunderbird & FairMail Mobile App Store-F-Droid Browsers-Firefox Office Suite-LibreOffice Music Management-Strawberry Videro-VLC & MPV Video Editor-Kdenlive Audio Editor-Tenacity

[@cejannuzi]

Getting into FOSS, I actually came to do things on computers that I had never done before. So I don't miss the proprietary software that I never used anyway. So much of the stuff on Windows would say FREE (as in no price), but it was time after time trial disableware.

[@plektosgaming]

Except.. when you really need something to work well, and we're talking programs for dedicated things like script writing, audio processing, manipulating photos, and so on, the commercial products simply work better. Often many levels better. I do music production on the side as well as composition and the tools available are.. they work I guess, but when time is money and conversely, money is time, you spend the money to get the real thing to get out of the studio that 10 minutes faster and get on with your life.

[@MI7DJT]

I've worked in IT my whole life and most end users don't care if the software they use is proprietary or not. They just want it to do a particular job. I advocate for FOSS and use Linux exclusively so I get why WE use free and open source software.... most others couldn't care less though.

[@arghya_333]

I have a simple condition - if a FOSS software has 95% or more of the capabilities of its proprietary counterpart, with similar ease of use, I am switching to FOSS. Otherwise I'll stick to proprietary.

[@eriksiers]

@MI7DJT agreed. Most users don't care, and most businesses aren't willing to risk anything to switch.

[@lewisse_8966]

@@arghya_333 A while back, I saw a video by Louis Rossman going over pretty much what you mention and it's something I realized was actually not as much talked about in FOSS. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gYDNdH2Ofa-bhsk

[@er63438]

"Most others couldn't care less". I would add "as long as they don't have to pay for it". In my experience, people who use lots of proprietary software use pirated/cracked variants of it, which didn't cost them a dime. If they had to pay.. I can assure you they'd be a lot more interested in trying out FOSS alternatives.

[@MiningForPies]

@@er63438you’ve never worked in business then.

[@enderger5308]

11:20 - GNU Guix is actually an interesting exception to the rule here, as channels like Nonguix are quite easy to add while still retaining a mostly free system (even, if I understand correctly, being able to choose exactly which blobs are added to the kernel to make it work). I personally find the approach of only allowing what is absolutely necessary in Guix the closest thing to being able to run a fully free system as is currently possible.

[@enderger5308]

Funnily enough, the Intel ARC card I use is probably the most "free" modern GPU driver, with a FOSS driver and minimal set of blobs we know the rough functionality of. It also incidentally meshes perfectly with the Vulkan heavy GNU/Linux ecosystem, so I'd highly recommend them for those who need a GPU with 99.9% free drivers.

[@selfaware7617]

We all know you actually live in Chicago

[@bobgrimes8618]

DT is the free software "ragin' Cajun".

[@sbr895]

We all know that you're actually joking 😊

[@DJNebaJS]

I think the accent is a lie. He is from Chicago. Obviously.

[@know_how_games]

just like I live in Denver

[@PenguinRevolution]

The older legacy NVIDIA cards often work great with the Spen source Nouveau, the cards I'm talking about are the GPUs that use NVIDIA 390 and earlier. I sometimes find that the legacy NVIDIA cars sometimes work just as well as with Nouveau as they do with the proprietary drivers. But if you have the newer GPUs or need to use NVENC, you have no choice but to use the proprietary drivers.

[@pw1187]

My simple rule, whatever makes it easier... software is a tool. And not a way of life or a religion.

[@RafaCoringaProducoes]

Saint ignacius' Church of emacs where

[@RafaCoringaProducoes]

TempleOS where

[@RafaCoringaProducoes]

Ubuntu christian, islamic and satanic editions where

[@pw1187]

@@RafaCoringaProducoes the point I am making The point is here . . . . . . . . . Your head is here If you're too much of an idiot to understand. The point I'm making and distro themes are.....well

[@anonemoose102]

@@RafaCoringaProducoes schizo moment

[@fubaralakbar6800]

When is it okay to go proprietary? Any time you want. FOSS was not created to destroy proprietary software. It was designed to give people an alternative to it. So that they could CHOOSE. FOSS is designed to give people freedom, not take it away.

[@BoopyTheFox]

A good way to say it. I approve of this message!

[@thesidneychan]

And ironically, some people have become zealots for FOSS.

[@anonemoose102]

But muh proprietary software is privacy invading, you cant control it, etc and all the other arguments FOSS people make.

[@roomtemp6374]

It isn't an either/or argument. Computers are tools, at the end of the day it's about which tool works the best for you. I have no problem with paying for proprietary software if I find value in it. There will always be cases where the best tool for the job is not the free one. The thing is... Deciding how valuable a tool is not purely a matter of function but also cost and developer etiquette. Behavior like pushing everything to the cloud, to require a monthly sub for things that used to be local. Planned obsolescence via timer or update schedule. Locking you out of your database files without a current sub. Hiding things under another menu layer to call it a feature, only to return it back again later as, you-guessed-it, another feature! Lots of modern commercial software fails here. The next thing... Often times a particular software package will take a good deal of time to learn the ins and outs before you become proficient at using it. New features are fine but if you're constantly spending time learning new workflows chasing the latest shiny you're not really leveling up. The commercial developer's goals can often be at odds with the user. Any of the above can weight the value in favor of open source. The final thing... There needs to be some way/s to fund open source development that are stupid easy and blatant. (So blatant as to offend the FOSS monks I'm afraid.) Also a reasonably democratic distribution system so open source developers can get more incentive than some accolades in a man page.

[@adrnlnjnky2827]

We are all probably using proprietary software to watch this video through our service providers. All the cable/internet providers use proprietary software

[@xgui4-studios]

​@@amir3515 no these cable were always proprietary

[@Voidkitty_]

I think games are more of a piece of art than software imo which is why I play proprietary games

[@MH_VOID]

So long as those games are source-available (e.g. minecraft is proprietary but basically source-available). Being art, or software, or merely a flaming pile of shit doesn't change the fact that people have a fundamental right to the complete source of what they use.

[@PanosPitsi]

@@MH_VOIDReddit users need to google what the word right even means 🥶

[@MH_VOID]

@@PanosPitsi ?

[@xgui4-studios]

they are still software

[@AquariusTurtle]

FOSS is the best thing to ever happen to me. I've been using computers since the early 1980s and I've seen commercial software devolve into an endless money pit. It used to be you could buy $35 commercial software and it didn't spy on you, didn't have "ready to ship" level bugs requiring endless patches and costly upgrades, and it worked forever. If we could go back to that model, I would gladly support commercial software again. But every single thing I've ever used has priced themselves out of existence in the last 5 years. If I pay $200 for a graphics program, it had better last 20 years. Software should not be as expensive as it is.

[@thegreatboto]

I'd agree with your 3 use cases. I try to use the open source alternatives to things if it makes sense and doesn't overly encumber my life. Though, while I'm not any sort of professional photo editor/etc, I have become more comfortable and prefer to use GIMP over Photoshop. Started way back when I was a student and I couldn't afford to drop hundreds on a CS license. I also work in IT and avoiding proprietary software there is basically unavoidable. I use what work tells me to. I've tried a couple times when I get to work from home to see how much I can do with my Linux laptop and while I can function, I'm still using a lot of proprietary things and several things would just work better in a native Windows environment. Not a FOSS fanatic, but have been interested in exploring and learning. Also, I don't like Microsoft telling me when I need to buy a new computer.

[@NidraxGaming]

"while I'm not any sort of professional photo editor/etc, I have become more comfortable and prefer to use GIMP over Photoshop" I think you not being professional is the exact reason why you prefer GIMP. GIMP is good for basic stuff, as long as the projects aren't so demanding when it comes to features you need to achieve them, but once you get to make something more professional GIMP just doesn't suffice. Graphic tablet support on GIMP is terrible. It has huge problems with input lag, messing up your line shapes. GIMP doesn't offer non-destructible effects pipeline that is rendered in real time and possible to edit at any later point in time instead of being rasterized into the image. Last time I checked, it also didn't have support for 3D shapes and effects. And last, there is just much more 3rd-party resources like brushes, textures, templates that support proprietary editors, but not GIMP. All those minor problems just pile up, making GIMP not reliable and making it just feel like designed by developers that never did any graphic design or even talked to a graphic designer. And this is a problem that's unique only to GIMP. Krita is great and really capable when it comes to making art with a tablet, Inkscape while not as feature-packed as Illustrator, Affinity Designer or Corel Draw, it's still very reliable and get all the most important features right. Blender is just a masterpiece among free software. GIMP... is simply bad. So while I get that there are people who use GIMP, find it useful and even prefer it over Photoshop, the undeniable truth is that GIMP is only sufficient up to a certain point. Beyond that it simply doesn't deliver. At this time I don't even hope or expect anymore for GIMP to become better. Personally I'd rather see a brand new piece of FOSS for retouching, photo-manipulation and graphical design that matches the PS user profile.

[@plektosgaming]

@@NidraxGaming I mean, the thing is that Adobe started and for years was only available on Mac. The design interface and workflow is noticeably better on MacOS as well, than on Windows. Such that almost all of the publishing world uses Mac workstations or similar ( ie - insall MacOS on your PC ). Lightroom for example, simply does magic with photos, and Pagemaker is.. well, you get the idea. It's why I still have a Macbook Pro. In my case, it's even more critical as it's music editing and publishing software. There is no analog to a tool like VocAlign. Most MIDI software tools are also simply not reasonable to use in a production environment. Yes, we are always looking for a cheaper alternative. Cakewalk is a good example, but plugin support (say for the above tool) is.. kludgy. The interface is also seriously like something out of 1998. lol.

[@toothytube]

I'm far from an open source zealot, but also a big fan of a number of open source & cross platform applications. Therfore, I have "and still do" run a number of open source & cross platform programs on Windows as well as runnimg many of the most popular & useful proprietary software on Ubuntu. I'm far more interested in what an operating system can do for me than how an open source zealot or a proprietary oligarch feels about it.

[@xgui4-studios]

same! but Microsoft have so much anger me with their stupid and evil decision and ai that i am really considering to switch to Linux once i am no longer force to use Windows by my school

[@revgen11]

The big issue with proprietary software nowadays is that they like to "phone home" or in some cases, only allow you to use it from the cloud. If I'm going to buy software, I want full ownership.

[@PHDWhom]

Which you will never get, because you don't own software, you buy a license to use it. Otherwise, yes, I do agree.

[@helloimatapir]

"Dying broke" is actually a good thing. I want to spend my money during retirement, not hoard it or leave any for the government.

[@DaviSimDoP]

I like DT's videos, they are very informative, but I don't understand his takes on free and proprietary software. It almost sounds like "making money via software" is wrong. I also love free and open source software, but I never have the dillema "when is it right to use proprietary software?" For me, there is no right or wrong here. If a proprietary software fits my needs, great. If there is an open source alternative, great. But I also must say that many proprietary software are much much better than open source software.

[@techbulb3440]

True

[@CaptainFahim]

100%

[@xperience-evolution]

Probably only matters if you care what you support.

[@xgui4-studios]

same! like right i am stlll using Windows for school and for gaming and Fedora Linux on dualboot on my second laptop

[@Dennis-Earl-Smiley]

My favorite game for linux is battlestar! Im studying its code from ubuntu now. I first played it on my first distro, still dual boot, suse linux pro 9.0. As soon as i bought that for $100 at best buy, a week later at age 15, 10.0 came out. While others were reading dr suise at reading time in school, i was studying the two manuals from top to bottom. To date, i lost a manual and the 2 sided dvd that came with it. The rest i have. Probably time to let it go now, for newer stuff.

[@Dennis-Earl-Smiley]

Fun fact: what was it dual boot with? Windows 98 on a 10gb hard drive. Same pc with which i learned c++ and dabbled in java.

[@s1nistr433]

The biggest problem with FOSS is that it's hard to monetize, like you can't make money on something you give out for free. Donations and support have worked in certain cases but don't work for every project and just aren't comparable to packaging a product and selling it behind a paywall. I think if this problem is addressed, aka charging money for source code / paying royalties to the original developer to ship out binaries then FOSS could be a drop in replacement for proprietary software.

[@kazzxtrismus]

if i cant get paid for it (if thats what i wanted from a project) then i wont create it. sure some small fixes etc id happily give away for free....but if i fixed a major thing or created a major thing id charge for it........ and id rather let the world suffer than myself go without food because greedy people want it for free. sure, not every creation is worth a million dollars...but why CANT I make $60k/yr?

[@thelakeman2538]

Paying royalties would inherently go against copyleft and freedom aspects of foss. Paying upfront or asking a subscription for getting that software and as the whole Red Hat situation has shown that even the GPL only requires you to provide access to source code to those customers, so all that is fine, but you don't get to claim royalties if someone else forks that code and releases it for free or as their own product.

[@shayes.x]

Proprietary software both drives innovation and generates revenue, providing new technology and careers for many people. It's not inherently bad.

[@MH_VOID]

source-unavailable software is inherently bad though; it can have some upsides, but inherently, it is evil, unethical, and bad.

[@bobgrimes8618]

Almost all medical systems are not free open source because of the very specialized usage.

[@igorgiuseppe1862]

here is the golden tip: don't burn your carrer because you dont want to use proprietary software, make money and use (part of) the money to fund open source alternatives. no one will benefit if you die for your cause, you will change nothing.

[@danieleg8758]

I would say that even bookkeping and accounting software are pretty much exclusively proprietary software. If you are running a business (for personal accounting FOSS is more than enough) your software has to be linked with taxation office (at least here in Australia) and there are just few company "accepted" as they are the only ones comply with their shenanigans...

[@MH_VOID]

man, australia's just fucked, ain't it

[@danieleg8758]

@@MH_VOID Everytime you do your payroll every information goes to the taxation office straight away. So they know how much you pay your workers and the total amount of taxes that goes along with that

[@MH_VOID]

@@danieleg8758 what if you pay with cash?

[@danieleg8758]

@@MH_VOID It doesn't matter how you pay but how much, you submit every payslips you do. Those software helps you automatically calculate everything from holidays, sick days and superannuation (which is the pension system here). If you actually pay workers or your obligations with the taxation office is a different story. But they know "your movements" for sure and they can cross-check it with your bank accounts if something goes wrong.

[@MichaelWilliams-lr4mb]

I do some graphic design as well as web development and I mainly use GIMP for photo editing. But I will say that Photoshop has features that GIMP doesn't have. And some guy on Facebook got into an argument with me about that on Facebook saying there's no reason for people to use the proprietary programs over open source. I tried explaining to them that sometimes I have clients send me PSDs to break apart and turn into a website, and those PSDs don't always render correctly in GIMP because of GIMP missing features that Photoshop has. Of course when I'm designing and developing and not relying on other designers, then I use all open source software.

[@uuidv5]

Hey DT! What Mic do you use?

[@harrymason1053]

I use Windows because she (the queen of all she surveys) doesn't want to be bothered to learn anything new. I do have Mint on a laptop for me.

[@MH_VOID]

the missus?

[@Jeff_Seely]

I agree with your thoughts exactly! I have an engineering job to do where I must use a laptop to connect to various automation tool sets and perform set up, adjustments, troubleshooting, and other critical tasks. Most of that software is actually free for download from the company of that hardware. So it's technically freeware however most of it is ported only for Windows and so it is a must for me to have that laptop. With that said, I only do work-related tasks. I don't surf, pay bills, or perform any personal tasks using that laptop.

[@peterschmidt9942]

I swapped over to Linux predominately a few years back when I felt it's usability was acceptable. Nothing worse than trying to get a job done and trying to fault find as well along the way. I'd been using a lot of open source software even on Windows, so wasn't that much of a stretch when I did switch. But at the end of the day, I've got work to do. I'll try and use an open source app first if ones available, but sometimes it may not be as good. Use what works. Some open source software has surprised me and been better than the propitiatory software. And I'm still finding alternatives.

[@thelinuxtube]

Wait a minute !!! You mean to tell me that's actually your face ??? Now I really feel sorry for you !!😅😅😅😅 nah joking....you're still my Dawg!!!

[@lighttigerxiv]

Makes sense. There's no need to be elitist about open source stuff

[@klerunder7769]

Don't think radical Open Source users are all elitist. Some are just very idealistic

[@golvellius6855]

I actually would love to see you interviewing some 100% open source user and make a podcast about it. Will be interesting to listen some extremist

[@MH_VOID]

to be truly 100%, he wouldn't be able to do so here, as merely having what they say captured and uploaded to this extremely closed source platform would make them not be so.

[@golvellius6855]

@@MH_VOID lmao 🤣 you are right

[@dlarge6502]

Other than at work I never use it, ever. I should point out I don't include firmware as I consider that part of the appliance. That includes the bios.

[@juanroldan4379]

I prefer to use Linux and FOSS software whenever I can. In many cases like at work, I have to use Microsoft or Google. I have used Linux for years now and at one point in my life all I had was an old Dell laptop running Ubuntu. I was able to do everything I needed back then. In occasion, I had to find work-around solutions for some of the issues I faced. And my boss complained all the time about my weird computer. These days, I still keep a Windows computer in case I need it but, I use Linux as my daily driver. I find it that using proprietary software is okay. Is not like we're comiting a sin. We don't have to repent for it.

[@xgui4-studios]

💯 🎉

[@Aoitori365]

Distrotube declares war on anime girls

[@Tyler-Kearney]

I’m a software engineering student. I’m completely willing to use IntelliJ idea over eclipse. Also while I try to use codium, vs code is too easy to ignore, and many classes require certain features of vs code. Plus, I have a MacBook that I do use for tests

[@m.m3633]

The proprietary Nvidia drivers are also trash, especially drivers for older cards. + Also KZbin nearly killed me with ads on this video, BTW.

[@tsukinoko_kun]

I fully agree. I had the same problem with the NVIDIA drivers.

[@Jeff_Seely]

I get the point of your push for free and open source software. Where and whenever its practical to remain on open source, you will and do make a conscious effort to make the open source choice. I think anyone with an ounce of pragmatism can see this. I do the same. I still bank and shop and work a job like most all of us have to do. But I say, if one wants to be strictly on proprietary or the free stuff or anything in between, then more power to each of us. It's the freedom of choice that I enjoy seeing and also having the same for myself. Thanks Derek for the choice you made to form Distrotube. I think it is awesome!

[@xgui4-studios]

true, it should be choice not a obligation

[@Jeff_Seely]

Exactly.

[@UltimusShadow.]

Outside of Video Games that's PC & Consoles I try to limit my Proprietary Software intake as much as possible, I use Linux & LineageOS. I replaced as many Proprietary Programs/Apps with FOSS alternative as much as possible, I hardly have any now. Using FOSS as much as possible is a very liberating feeling, free as in freedom. Obviously if your work requires it then fine, it's not your personal life or your personal machine.

[@MH_VOID]

If your work requires it, it's not "fine"; it's "Ugh fiiine"

[@ordinarryalien]

Preach, brother!

[@mskiptr]

I use GNU Guix and have nonguix enabled. Why would I do it? Because Guix is unlike any other distribution and provides features you cannot get anywhere else. Closest thing would be NixOS, but I find it way messier, unpolished and not documented nearly as well. However, the only software I take from nonguix is linux-firmware and the regular, upstream kernel. That's because running old proprietary microcode is strictly worse than running up-to-date proprietary microcode. (The stance of FSF on firmware is just bad as it hinges on contradictory assumptions: proprietary software being absolutely unjustifiable while hardware being always A-ok)

[@MH_VOID]

Interesting. I've been wanting to migrate to Guix at some point You are correct: the FSF and what they push is fatally flawed

[@topherfungus8424]

It's acceptable to run proprietary whenever you see fit, it doesn't matter what DT thinks about it.

[@1oneguythat]

im watching this video on noobuntu

[@kazzxtrismus]

FOSS as a moral standpoint is only communism as a religion. use what works or what you "have to" because the boss says so....anti closed source is just anti "someone elses decision what to do with THEIR creation"..... do you plan on forcing people to create and give away for free? cuz thats just slavery with extra steps

[@cherubin7th]

Right, also having slaves. Don't let them tell you otherwise.

[@leonbishop7404]

​@@cherubin7th unless you end up being a slave yourself, haha

[@1oneguythat]

@@leonbishop7404 africa sold their own people to europeans. Also some african american slaves had better lives because some masters gave them land on their land.

[@the1trancedemon]

yeah if working remotely on a linux system it can be problematic if the bosses and co-workers are on windows. however working for cloud based organizations that have everything running on the google business suite or similar makes it easy to work from any kind of system that simply has a web browser. my favourite tools are libre office and google chrome. i mostly live in the browser or in libre office calculator.

[@iodreamify]

Awesome video! Thanks for your detailed thoughts and especially the examples at the end. I know some people think it's incorrect but i view software freedom as a spectrum or a journey. Just because right now you can't fully switch or use proprietary software here and there doesn't mean you've failed your ambitions. It's the effort that counts and spreading the message to those who are eager to hear it. Even if you're on Windows but like using free alternatives like libreoffice, because you think they can help you out better, that's already great in my view. I'll always prefer free software but it does need to be comparable to the tools which i know can get the job done. Proprietary software meets a lot of very useful use cases but it can also screw you over any time any day so it's a balancing act. btw i wonder how Stallman does his banking. He probably has no smartphone does he?

[@sofiaknyazeva]

DT just busted whole VTuber community 💀💀💀

[@gregcampwriter]

As long as I'm able to reach readers on Twitter, I need to be there. And since a lot of other people are on that site, it's a good place to research current public opinions.

[@nanika2566]

not a place I expected to hear about the vtuber thing TwT it's not always some 40-year-old, it's most likely a 20something-year-old trying something out ; having a mascot (in this case some anime girl, but it could be anything) to represent oneself helps with 'branding' someone's content, such as having some letters be the avatar that represents you. I do admit, when they use voice-changer and it's obvious (like the squeaky and/or highpitch voices), it's kinda suspicious. Some vtubers I watch are guys with anime girl vtuber avatars that don't bother with voice-changer, and I'd trust them more ;w; To think someone who represents themselves as anime girl is worth less than some, let's say 'less-than-average looking person' to not be mean, is not nice. No reason to take them less seriously if they won't show their face, makes no difference to me anyway, off-topic away, many times I have to use closed-software, I'd love not to, but no one wants to switch even when what they're using gets worse over time; I wish I didn't have to use discord, I don't need most of the fluff it offers, but many-many communities I've noticed use it and no one wants to use anything else. I use free-software where available (been using MX Linux as main OS for more than a year and I love it so far)

[@shotzitd]

that's not even to mention the ones that have straight up shown their faces on camera, and in my experience they're usually fairly attractive (see: kson)

[@nanika2566]

​@@shotzitd ikr, I've seen some and they don't even look bad at all, they were even attractive like you said edit: Not much point into dismissing someone just because they choose not to show themselves, they maybe just don't wanna show themselves all the time and may be self-conscious of the way they present themselves (cough, I include myself) ; anyone can do a freeze-frame at any point and others can make fun of the appearance and such, but when it's a character that makes faces it's not as bad, it's not 'you' that's made fun of

[@BGDMusic]

i love foss but im also realistic in that it's not perfect yet. some of what i use just doesn't have foss yet, and i'm often not willing to change entire workflows

[@igorgiuseppe1862]

as for photoshop replacement... It really depends. gimp SUCKS for text editing, for example, if you want to apply any effect to an text, you have to write the text, then convert it to a mask then apply the effect, wich make it harder to make iterations (trial and error) until you get something nice, that destroy your productivity... unless you install an plugin for that wich fortunatelly exists. gimp may be really bad in other things too, im not aware of all the use cases, but davies media design is a proof that its possible, not that it will be possible in any use case, but to be fair not even photoshop is, for example when there are 3D parts involved, we might as well use blender or something. for some professionals or tasks using gimp may be possible for image manipulation, but in other cases other tools might be the only option (in some cases even gimp may be the only option) as for drawing instead of photo manipulation i know a LOT of artists that prefer krita over anything, photoshop dont cover all the needs of everyone when it comes to images, not even the entire adobe suite cover.

[@sahiljindal]

I get it! I think the fundamental difference between free-software and non-free software is not the software itself, but who is backing the software. But since it is nearly impossible to fight against "established institutions", people argue upon the software itself. I think a better approach is to have a clear distinction between the software and its owners. Only then, we could take inspiration from proprietary software wherever it is necessary to improve the free software.

[@MH_VOID]

Nope. The fundamental difference is that free-software is far closer to ethical than 99.999% of non-free software. Travel back in time and swap the backers of a free software product with the ones of a non-free software product and choosing between the two, and I'd still always choose the free-software product even if it's by the most evil company in the world and the non-free one is by what's otherwise the most benevolent human-serving organization to ever exist, unless this was one of the insanely rare cases where the free-software product itself is more unethical than the non-free product itself.

[@PHDWhom]

I use Logic Pro X. I know Ardour is supposedly the go-to daw now, but I still do not trust running a music production environment in Linux. I would love to, but when I need to make music, I don't have time to configure drivers and worry too much about the sound subsystem and whether or not it's going to change in a year at the whim of a developer.

[@barrycheesemore2928]

You made some extremely good points in this video, and to be honest I agree with what you've said. Personally I use Linux as my daily driver OS, and I try to use FOSS as much as possible, but as you said there are times when it just isn't practical or possible to do so. I also agree with your comment about effectively being comfortable with your choices, so long as you are then that's what is important.

[@AYT04]

The only proprietary software on my computer is Steam and the Minecraft launcher. 1:05

[@MI7DJT]

And your BIOS?

[@AYT04]

@@MI7DJTand the kernel😊

[@MI7DJT]

@@AYT04 You don't use the linux kernel?

[@MH_VOID]

I haven't played Minecraft in a long time but MultiMC I think it was called was pretty much just a straight-up better Minecraft launcher, and open source to boot.

[@xgui4-studios]

​@@MH_VOIDbut Minecraft isnt open source still

[@hopelessdecoy]

It's "right" whenever you want to use proprietary software, can't really promote freedom then say that you can't use something. It is a cost benefit comparison, we all value things differently and if I really love some proprietary development software that doesn't really have a free equivalent then I don't care what other people think. Use what fits you best and if using proprietary software gets you on the Linux platform then you have my thumbs up! I also think developers have the right/freedom to make proprietary stuff, they put in the work. if they want to hide the code and sell it, show the code and sell it or give either away for free it is their work.

[@MH_VOID]

> It's "right" whenever you want to use proprietary software It's not "right", but it can be personally acceptable though still extremely frowned-upon. > can't really promote freedom then say that you can't use something "Your freedom ends where another person's begins" > I also think developers have the right/freedom to make proprietary stuff, they put in the work. if they want to hide the code and sell it, show the code and sell it or give either away for free it is their work. They can make stuff and then be too lazy to actively give that stuff and that stuff's sources to others, but if they actually start distribution and anyone wants the source, those people have the right to it and they have to respect that

[@hopelessdecoy]

@@MH_VOID You can frown while I'm smiling enjoying using my system the way I want to. Not really sure how that quote relates to what I said. If your free then your free, most people will never be able to understand the code to modify a software. Everyone is free to choose a Non-FOSS option if it suits thier needs or FOSS if it hopefully works out that way. You say Lazy but this makes no sense, you didn't spend possibly years developing something. You spent 5 minutes downloading thier work but say they're the lazy ones.... Ok lol Developers are free to have a choice to do what they want with thier work and your free to not use/buy it.

[@Hobgoblin88]

I think of games as artwork, same as cinema. You support artists in making their artpieces.

[@xgui4-studios]

but game do use a software client (which is almost closed source) and a closed sourced backend. plus free software mouvement can alao be expend to other industry

[@21redwhiteblue]

I use foss software wherever and whenever I can but if propriatary is needed or gets the job done I'll use it. Due to not trusting it by default I tend to run it in a VM that has little to zero personal info on it. I just want to get a job done that needs done so I can get on with life. Hobby stuff is different. I'd use kdenlive for my own video editing but if work wants me to edit a video I'll use davinci. For work related stuff, if they want me to use propriatary stuff i make them provide me the hardware lol. For example. I can't log into my works vpn without running windows and authenticating myself on a smartphone with microsoft authenticator. So I made my work supply me with a company smartphone along with the windows laptop.

[@MariaLuiza-re4wr]

I use proprietary software on my Android (but most of the apps are FOSS though). I wouldn't use GrapheneOS or similar OSes because I don't want to break things and the Android camera app is so much better. On my PC I use Debian and the only proprietary software are the drivers, the proprietary things in the kernel, and online proprietary services that aren't avoidable or easily replaceable. I'm going to install Windows because I'm in need of MS Office because of university. And there's a GameCube game I like called Hikaru no Go 3 that I'm thinking of playing on Dolphin emulator.

[@d3stinYwOw]

In terms of choosing proprietary software instead of FOSS - still would be great to deeply check their morals, because some of them supports FOSS, like Wingware or Room Arranger. As for tolerance for proprietary, it's quite high, but also selective, for example I have slightly more tolerance on social media, but much lower on utility apps and OS....

[@MariaLuiza-re4wr]

I'm thinking of using the jack sparrow version of beyond compare because meld and diff are so limited.

[@TraderRuth]

what proprietary software do you use? What do you think is the best?

[@max_ishere]

14:40 tbh I'd rather not tell my teacher in school that some FOSS exists unless it actually has benefits over what the proprietary thing is. The only problem is that you may not know all the features of two separate apps and it may not even be that much of a benefit. At work you should just go to a company that doesn't require/care what software you use and you know you can do your job with your favorite FOSS apps.

[@generalfun6960]

I agree on all of it... But i prefer to sandbox software that i do not trust... And try to avoid that kind of software were possible...

[@BoopyTheFox]

With mobile ecosystems, there's pretty much no adequate choice for freedoms. A lot of hardware is closed, and situation reminds me the situation with lots of different mobile OS's back in the day. Every vendor had it's own OS. Android killed all of them. Apple aided too, but moreso in "fresh ideas" department. Now, to make another revolution, something similar should happen with hardware that can at least be up to par to mid modern smartphones. Then Linux smartphones are gonna be usable for something more than just bench testing and offensive security.

[@BoopyTheFox]

Good example: While there's LogSeq, i still use Obsidian, because of it being polished and having nice community. It does seem to care about it's core values too, so there's that. Sure, it may be so it goes full corporate one day (either in one big change or thousands of small changes), that would be very very sad, and even then, all notes are simple convertable Markdown, and there's still LogSeq, which is fully FOSS.

[@MariaLuiza-re4wr]

Zettlr is great.

[@jackkeifer]

Love the Tastytrade setup! A perfect example of when proprietary is OK. (M)ES & (M)NQ futures are two of my favs to trade, especially scalping. Have to admit I've never tried options tho. You've just been bumped up several more notches on my coolness list! 👍👍

[@the8thark]

This feels rather funny coming shortly after the Microsoft buys Redhat video. Still this is a great video and gives a lot of contest to the open vs propriety debate.

[@Wonderingax]

Based video. Many of us just need or want to use computers, if all FOSS disappeared I wouldnt go "well I guess I will never use a computer again", sure it matters but if the tools I have are proprietary even if I was a FOSS zealot I still have to use it to get my message across, restricting ourselves from using proprietary stuff to such point makes it impossible to even get anything done in favor of FOSS.

[@bobgrimes8618]

All ATM's used to run OS/2.

[@darthchaos5966]

I think it's right to use proprietary software only when there is something you need to work on and there are no free/open source apps which can do that task. If it's something I can do with free software, then I'm opting for the free software. Now there is an open source equivalent to KZbin...Rumble.And their monetization policy is way more lenient than KZbin's.

[@Ferran-Gnu-Linux]

In my case I'm needed to work with some accounting and financial programs that i can't to get on Gnu-Linux, nevertheless i check all new about it. It's a pity we've lacking this type of programs yet.

[@Hagar921]

With all the trouble at reddit, will you be coming over to Lemmy or Kbin?

[@WXLM-MorganNicole619]

I am locked into Microsoft CRM, Microsoft office, FileMaker Pro, and Axon Sync for medical reasons

[@Matshiro]

It's right if you just want to. Don't let others tell you what to do.

[@MartinAhlman]

My wife, a lot of my friends won't ever go back to Windows any more. They prefer Linux. I wonder why? Maybe it's because it works? Maybe it's easier even? Whatever the reason, I've never heard anyone complain. Most people don't need Windows. Linux just works!

[@joshuakaufmann4081]

You aspire to live free in an unfree world .

[@iamghezali]

In my country most rich people don't use proprietary banking system, the use only rock solid paper bills, so the whole point about achieving financial freedom without using proprietary software is totally invalid

[@olexp9017]

If a proprietary software is 1-2-n orders of magnitude better than an open source analogue and you need all the power offered by that proprietary software then you have no choice. A good example is SideFX Houdini vs Blender. Blender is a high quality software that has some unique features even compare to Houdini. And if it covers all the features you need then it is great. But overall Houdini leaves behind all other software when it comes to flexibility, extensibility, features etc. It is a different league.

[@timothyt.82]

If Adobe didn't have me by the proverbial gonads, I would cancel my subscription in a heartbeat. Stupid $200 cancelation fee...

[@ChristopherJamesNeff]

Sue them or at the very least call your credit card company and make them forcefully cancel for you! Forcing you to pay 200 dollars to cancel a paid subscription or else continue being charged forever against your will and consent is literally theft, extortion, random and blackmail and that is ILLEGAL for ANY corporation/business/company to do!

[@Being_Joe]

When people say GIMP is just as good as PS, you know they are not a serious image editor. PS, Richard Stallman uses cash only.

[@Ozymandias1]

Likewise proponents of proprietary software use open source software when it suits them. Steve Ballmer once called Linux communism but Linux now powers Microsoft’s Azure cloud services. Google is a closed source software giant but they use the Linux kernel for Android and Apple uses open source components for its own operating systems.

[@d4n3sh]

I use the tool that gets the job done. Sometimes it is FOSS sometimes it is not.

[@enigmaster84]

Proprietary games, for me it's Steam vs GOG. The former is pushing Linux for gaming quite hard but on the other hand doesn't care much about DRM in its catalogue, GOG is the other way around. Since I can't stand DRM I only have a GOG account and I play my Gog games on my GNU/Linux machine (My PC was born with GNU/Linux on it), but wow, the Steam Deck

[@grisu1934]

I use free software when its the better alternative. Linux imo is better than windows so i use it. Discord has no better libre alternative, and if it exists nobody uses it so i cant use it. I dont use linux to use libre i use linux just because i think its neat. I must say tho that open source software is always my first pick if two are the exact same

[@samuelburgos6392]

The fourth case is if you explicitly want to use a proprietary software, part of free includes being free to shoot yourself on the feet

[@MH_VOID]

That completely falls apart if your usage supports it. FOR EXAMPLE, if you want to play a proprietary videogame, you are within your rights to choose to do so (though it's extremely frowned upon), but you must make sure not to pay the makers of that game, and should also try to spoof any data it collects and be as hostile a user as possible, and generally try to be silent about your usage of that game

[@shotzitd]

@@MH_VOID i feel the example of video games is a bit extreme. if you're talking about aaa games: sure, pirate it, be hostile, since most of the bigger publishers dont give a shit about the consumer and it's not like one person not playing their games is gonna bankrupt them. but even most of the games i play (indie games or games by smaller studios) on steam are proprietary, and the LAST thing i want to do is steal games from independent creators who spent years working on their games so they can both support themselves as well as show their creative vision to the world. the asterisk is kind of warranted there

[@MH_VOID]

@@shotzitd for those smaller games, you look for the source code online and if you don't find it, contact the creators and say you're interested in buying their game but first want to ensure that the source code will be made available to you as is your right. If they respond positively, or you found the source code online yourself, go ahead and buy the game. In the unfortunate but all too common case otherwise, the game is effectively considered taboo no man's land, owned by nobody, created by somebody who should be repudiated and shamed, and of which everyone should stay away from and forget about. If you decide to play it then, at the very least make sure to not support the creators of such evil, and to not help that evil grow. Being small is no excuse for violating people's rights.

[@humanperson8418]

I think this is completely backwards. The real question is when should you use FOSS over proprietary. The 3 main reasons I can think of: 1: When it's better value for money. (e.g. blender is great & free) 2: Privacy is important. 3: When ownership is important. These 3 points aren't true for all software.

[@mountainmanmcbeachfront5296]

It’s literally impossible to have a 100% free system. Sure you can libreboot old C2D thinkpads to remove most unfree blobs and ME , but even Stallman has unfree hard drive blobs. You can only go so far but to be 100% free you wouldn’t be able to use any computer.

[@xgui4-studios]

actually 100% computer exist but it is really really rare and probably expansive and very limited

[@realsifocopypaste]

yes i agree :) don't forget to make mitigation technically and non-technically :) i still prefer floss (free libre open source software) gnu linux :)

[@GWFO]

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[@ottowedel711]

it is actually a big dilemma dt...

[@humpa-pa9344]

only if is "stolen/not payed" and if you really need it ... :) ... i use none ::: i need none... there is already more than enough free and open software enough for my humble needs... :) ... and tank you all free people that let life live free for good... :)

[@MH_VOID]

Yeah it is extremely unethical to pay for that proprietary (source-unavailable) software. If you're going to use it, you are obligated to "pirate" it. Actually kinda makes it less unethical to play a pirated $60 AAA game than a free-to-play game.

[@humpa-pa9344]

@@MH_VOID nowadays i only play armagetron... on rare ocasions... there is no other game worth playing... :)

[@max_ishere]

4:39 VTubers are entertainers. They don't have to be serious for their channel to be effective. Also for some reason the anime style is just my favorite fictional/drawing style so I don't mind at all. Actually using a vtuber persona for anonimity is a great idea because you can still move and act if you for whatever reason have to.

[@ChristopherJamesNeff]

VTubers are nothing more than a bunch of pedophiles hiding behind an anime character. And/or furries, deviants, delinquents and all other forms of pervert (and they’re all in the same category and boat as pedos too). There’s no reason for a 40 year old dude to hide behind an anime avatar of a 13 year old girl/boy unless they are a creep/sicko with an agenda and also has something to hide. The fact that most of the VTuber models are almost all exclusively animations of 13 year old boys and girls alone who are almost all exclusively being played by 40 year old dudes (who are most likely also losers living in their mommas basements without a REAL job) should tell you something right there!!

[@nanika2566]

I think the ones he saw were not meant to be taken seriously and were some of the annoying ones, these ones have made him believe every single one is of the same kind, but I wouldn't blame him for it. I have seen quite a number of annoying ones and it's not a way I'd like others to be introduced to it TwT The anime style is also my favourite, and it seems to be the most commonly used one, which is good for me tbh, I just never liked showing myself on the Internets. Having a made-up character do it for me is helpful, not only because it gives others something to associate with me, but also because I can draw it and make it do almost anything some bad apples have tainted the public's view of anyone who uses a vtuber anime girl or furry or whatever to represent oneself, I've seen others who show themselves on the Internet dismiss the whole idea similar to how DT does and show no interest in it (which is fine by me, but would be better with less assumptions TwT )

[@ChristopherJamesNeff]

VTubers are nothing more than a bunch of pedophiles hiding behind an anime character. And/or furries, deviants, delinquents and all other forms of pervert (and they’re all in the same category and boat as pedos too). There’s no reason for a 40 year old dude to hide behind an anime avatar of a 13 year old girl/boy unless they are a creep/sicko with an agenda and also has something to hide.

[@ChristopherJamesNeff]

@@nanika2566 VTubers are nothing more than a bunch of pedophiles hiding behind an anime character. And/or furries, deviants, delinquents and all other forms of pervert (and they’re all in the same category and boat as pedos too). There’s no reason for a 40 year old dude to hide behind an anime avatar of a 13 year old girl/boy unless they are a creep/sicko with an agenda and also has something to hide.

[@max_ishere]

18:29 Gimp is good. Photoshop is likely better. I didn't try it either. Blender is just soo horribly awful for video editing. I use it anyway because I feel like I'm just missing the point and it's my skill issue.

[@Kispalkovich]

I wouldn't be surprised if RMS didn't have a bank account though.

[@securelinuxchannel1519]

I also love opensource software ...

[@Tuishimi]

FOSS is awesome, sometimes proprietary is what we need.

[@denizkendirci]

it's always ok to install whatever you want on your own computer.

[@MH_VOID]

If it significantly promotes the non-consentual violation of people's rights, no.

[@denizkendirci]

@@MH_VOID i don't agree. One can promote what they want by installing what they want. If others do not agree, then they can promote otherwise. So each side ends up promoting what they want anyways. Isn't it telling me what i can and cannot install my own computer also violates my rights? I'm one of the people too. So you are doing the same to me in the end.

[@pugo7925]

You know, today I talked to a friend and I just realized, he's mind is proprietary, I don't have any access to his thought process, this truly disgust me!

[@MicroClases_Ciencia]

I tried GIMP, it is not bad, just buggy

[@ApoplecticDialectics]

This isn't a roundabout way to tell us you're running SCO Unix as your daily driver, is it? Because if so we gonna have words.

[@YannMetalhead]

When is it ok to choose proprietary software: when you need it.