I'm Done With NFS Unbound

NFS Unbound Update Vol. 3 released last week and I decided not to cover it. Let's talk about why, the state of the Need for Speed community and what made Unbound such a polarizing game.
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[@Zero456712]

I hope this doesn't sound weird of me to say, but it's kinda comforting to see somebody having an composed and informed discussion about the talk surrounding Unbound and the community at large. Almost very conversation about Unbound I've either had with strangers or have seen online has been emotionally charged to an insane degree, and it's absurd how nobody can seem to get along or tries to step to dial things back. It's feels like it's a: "shoot first, ask questions later" type of approach. I'm truly sorry that you had to put up with such behavior, and it's completely understandable that you don't want to touch Unbound to any degree after what happened.

[@PutSumDirtInYaEye]

I still love Unbound, Im happy with the game for what it is, quick and easy arcade racing

[@Dar1usz]

@@No-vq1iv lol i got it for 20, who wasted 80 on this after payback and heat, u will never learn

[@aintgotnophd2196]

Aaaand some people replying to this comment took none of it to heart…

[@whiterunguard9978]

@@No-vq1iv Then don't pay that much and wait for it to be discounted or come to EA play. You should have more expectations from that brain of yours in the future.

[@Dar1usz]

@@No-vq1iv kk

[@LPN05]

Thanks for this video, speaking out loud what I'm feeling. Really hard for me aspecially since I love to play Unbound and make videos about. Comments and this whole attitude really killing the fun.

[@DoVe_7]

Talking about anything related to Unbound is just like you're walking into a zone full of radiation these days

[@RealMakarov]

omg i love ur vids

[@connorbutters8479]

Its kinda the thing with long running game franchises. The communities stretch out so far that you just have an amalgamation of contradicting opinions It's happened to COD too. I mean to some people NFS Unbound is their Underground. The game they grow up with and influences their idea of what Need For Speed is.

[@CyanRooper]

The problem with Need for Speed is that the series has tried so many different ideas over the years that it resulted in a fractured fanbase. Racing games already have a divided fanbase to begin with: some like Muscle cars more, some like Tuner cars more, some like Exotic cars more. Even the people who "respect all builds" will still be slightly biased towards one type of build more than others. With Need for Speed you have even more divisions: some prefer closed courses (real or fictional or both) while others prefer open worlds, some prefer a more arcade-like handling model while others prefer a more simcade-like handling model, some like cop chases and playing as the cops while others don't. The end result is a fanbase composed of people with multiple different preferences and it becomes even harder than usual to please them. Ghost Games were right to reboot the series with Need for Speed 2015 for this reason. The game was FAR from perfect but at least it was a game that put its foot down and said, "no more identity crises, this is what we'll be from now on and what we will build upon."

[@ChadSpittingTruth.]

Fallout and Skyrim too Almost every FPS games

[@TheCapitalWanderer]

​@@CyanRooperyeah, NFS hasn't got a good grip on its identity before 2015 came out

[@dvcz96]

Ill keep it simple. Its just a game. You either like it or not. People get too invested into entertainment and gain emotional attachment to stuff. Social media made them have too much a voice that makes it seem heard.

[@TheKrzysiek]

I still don't get why Unbound is so controversial, it's a totally fine game that people make out to be a lot worse for some reason, despite other games, including previous NFS games, having similar or same issues, and yet not being as hated. And even with the valid problems, the pure ammount of "unbound bad, old nfs good" kinda stuff is trully exhausting and annoying. If I got a penny for every post and video shitting on Unbound's soundtrack, I could prolly affort that damn M3.

[@Falconhawk3784]

I would be able to afford 2 💀

[@CyanRooper]

So what you're saying is, you're ready to donate another ride to the Razor fund, baby?

[@alan64047]

I would be able to afford a new highest trim M5 cs thing

[@gunman8452]

Personally, I'm not a fan of the characters, it's like they try too hard to be cool and not in the cheesy way, and the whole talk of politics in the game is a turn off for me, like why should I care about the election? I'm here to race, I wouldn't mind the next game not having a proper story, just give us a decent plot, which Unbound had but the story isn't that great. Rydell is the best thing in Unbound

[@hhavi0]

​​@@CyanRooperyou are just proving what dustin is talking about in this video

[@Roflwaffle16]

Glad I don't really cover NFS games, kind of seems like a warzone these days. The thing about internet discourse is that many people will want to stick to a narrative and defend it religiously, regardless of if new evidence can be brought forward to change their mind. Covering GT7 I've seen both sides of this: People who will defend the game for even it's most incoherent design decisions, almost trying to justify to themselves why they like it, and people who will try and convince you that actually there is nothing redeemable about the game, the handling is shit, it looks like garbage, and the devs just want your money and care about nothing else. It's all just hyperbolic nonsense that leads to completely surface-level discussions where nothing is achieved. I just released a video yesterday which was a casual chat about the upcoming Forza Motorsport's career and single-player structure, and the amount of comments I got about the car XP system being absolute irredeemable shit simply because you can't take a hatchback and V12 swap it within 5 seconds of purchasing it was insane. Y'know, not like it's a response to the people who complain about Forza Horizon lacking depth as everything is so easy to obtain, or anything... It's clearly not perfect but I appreciate them for at least trying to innovate in this area, pulling ideas from different game genres. Some people have become so conditioned to a set way of doing things that any change is assessed based on it's negatives and completely dismisses any positives. It's just sad. The old adage of players not knowing what they actually want until you give it to them has never been more true. How can the genre evolve and change if these games are not trying new ideas? For better or for worse.

[@Zhawn7]

I have been wondering the same thing, how can the genre improve if the fans won't stop acting like manchildren and the developers and publishers don't improve their games from their predecessors? It feels like the whole genre and the communities will just crash and burn, nothing more than ash. Also, hi Roflwaffle.

[@0uttaS1TE]

@@Zhawn7 Maybe that's what the genre deserves.

[@muhannadburwais8400]

Unfortunate about the unbound community I was considering trying it, but on the bright side finding your channel about non racing games is a pleasant surprise!

[@alan64047]

Get away from this fanbase negativity and try it, it's amazing game

[@rlfpotatoking9253]

​@@alan64047I wouldn't say amazing, it's 'ok' just like Eden said. The singleplayer story is just plain bad, the cops are worse than Heat - in aggressiveness and being too repetitive, crash cams are back, drifting is worse and too slow.. I think only multiplayer is good in this game thanks to the recent update with the new link ups gamemode and 16 player party

[@sukhdevr3489]

​@@alan64047lol

[@TheCapitalWanderer]

play the game yourself, make your own opinion.

[@TheCapitalWanderer]

​@@rlfpotatoking9253story is subjective, some reviewers said it's decent, some said it's bad, VERY subjective. Cops are downgraded for a reason, Cops no longer play the major role in Unbound, It's betting, car meeting, tuning. Cops are downgraded because it can make an already slow day a lot slower thanks to unnecessary (in its current state from what i've seen) + hard pursuits which can lead to unnecessary punishing system and can lead to a lot of players getting stressed out.

[@studiodevilry8412]

6:46 We had EA Trax back in those days, we had more control over what songs we wanted to hear but I get it.

[@Zumi909]

Exactly

[@TheCapitalWanderer]

i never changed anything in Prostreet and Most Wanted lol, OSTs are soo goood

[@joshlee1895]

I'm very glad I separated myself from this community and I just play to play ☠️☠️

[@SNiPER_76]

The whole Unbound situation is weird. I both get and don't get the hate for it. Yes, it could be a lot more but... Have people forgotten about 2015's story and handling? PAYBACK'S UPGRADE CARDS??? BURNOUT MOST WANTED 2012 EXISTING??? I don't mean to defend the game but, at the same time, it could have been *a lot* worse, y'know?

[@SNiPER_76]

And for the people who hate the soundtrack: did you know there's this slider in the audio section of the settings menu that mutes all the music? Crazy, I know!

[@TheProfessionalDrift]

@@SNiPER_76NFS 2015‘s handling was very good though. You just gotta get the handling setup right, which I understand is kinda difficult and annoying to do, but once you find the right setup the handling is very good. Like really good. The only issue was that you had to tune the handling yourself instead of it just being perfect from the start. Another issue were the OP cars like that F1 car and the RSR. The Story of 2015 was also very good. It’s got actual people that represent their respective style. It was also about car culture, which was amazing. The story itself was also pretty fun and believable. All in all NFS2015 was the best NFS of the last two decades

[@TheCapitalWanderer]

yeah, that surprised me, imo Payback amd Burnout 2012 sucks , i'd say Unbound is one of the great ones for the next gen games

[@rodriguezracer4567]

​@TheProfessionalDrift Well glad you managed to enjoy 2015 somehow. For me, 2015's physics made the game borderline unplayable. For me, 2015 was the game where NFS really nosedived in quality. Some people say Carbon was when NFS started going downhill. Others say Prostreet. I say it was 2015. I will only ever touch that game again while armed with the UNITE mod. The guys at Project UNITE are experts at fixing Ghost's/Criterion II's messes

[@andreroberson6554]

Its NEED FOR SPEED MOST WANTED (2012), and FYI, that game was a critical and financial success

[@Fastminer07]

When I went to make my Unbound video, I thought that of the major racing game communities, Forza Horizon was the worst, because it's the one I was around most and I got the impression that it was now just a bunch of kids who don't care how many faults a game has, but after making my video, I think the NFS community might be worse. The lack of self awareness I've seen from the community is painful. The number of comments I saw from nostalgia blinded 30 yr olds, amateur music critics, militant political slacktivists, and people who think developing a game on this scale is easy, commenting the same shit over and over again, its just stupid. I guess its somehow harder to say a nfs is a 6/10, than it is to say its a 10 or a 3.

[@IPlayKindred]

I kinda made it worse sorry man

[@Fastminer07]

@@pathetic_pal8976 people who go on and on about politics online, while doing nothing irl

[@Canvas12]

Honestly after watching for only like a couple of minutes into the video. I can already tell what you were about to say (I still kept on watching tho). I’m sorry you had to go through all that within the community. It’s never fun looking at toxic comments especially when people just keep adding onto it without no proper context/reasoning at all. I’ve seen and been in countless toxic online communities and for some strange reason the NFS community just keeps on getting more worse. At least in my opinion. It’s crazy how one game completely changed the community these people acted like they got segregated. Every time you mention something that you either liked or disliked about Unbound. You’ll get people attacking you from both opposing sides which is just insane. And if you try to stay neutral and give out suggestions. People will just straight up nuke you instead. One example I can think of was how there was this other KZbinr who used to go by the name “Moses B”. And he made a video on Unbound too. In his video towards the end he gave out some ideas at to what NFS can do instead of the same old freeroam style racing game in which I honestly thought was a good idea. But it was revealed in another video that nobody liked his idea and everyone slammed him for it. He quoted something like “NFS should never change and should always stay original to its true predecessor”. Mocking the people who attacked him for his idea. That and someone did a DDOS attack on him and his entire family. And also leaked his family’s entire personal information online as well. According to him, this was all done because somebody didn’t like one of his reviews… What a nice community am I right? And I agree with your whole take on the comparing issue that a lot of people seem to do. It’s so irritating seeing people make the same comparisons over the same games, the same music, the same opinions. Just like you said I’m not saying people aren’t allowed to not have an opinion/criticize something. Everyone’s allowed to do that. But when you take a specific topic too far and talk about it over and over and over again it’s gets exhausting like you said. The soundtrack is a perfect example of this. Now I’m not gonna sit here and act like the soundtrack’s a masterpiece. But people have literally rammed that soundtrack into the ground. And I’m not talking about the stupid cringey meme videos. I’m talking about when it was first revealed last year. Way before the game even came out. And like not 5 minutes go by and people were already hating on the soundtrack. Talking about how modern music is trash, nothing will ever beat old school, etc. And it was only out for like 5 minutes… 5 minutes and people were already bashing on it which was just insane to me But it’s pretty clear to me that no matter what you do or say in this community. Good or bad. You’re always gonna get toxic people coming at you for no reason, being rude, racist, and all kinds of other things. I think leaving and not talking about it is probably the best thing you can do. I know you were already planning on doing it. But I just wanted to mention it again because when it comes to things like this. It’s best to just leave because it’s always gonna be a lose/lose situation you’re never gonna win here. I hope this doesn’t happen to you again in the future. From here on out hopefully things work out better for you

[@0uttaS1TE]

Jesus Christ. I didn't care much for Moses B's opinion on how to improve NFS but he didn't deserve any of that. This fucking fanbase is chalked, and the only way to fix it is to kill off NFS. EA has been angling towards that for a while. May as well finish the job

[@TheJakeMG]

This video needed to happen. I was just waiting for it. I know Payback was technically more controversial… but Unbound feels like the most polarizing NFS I’ve ever witnessed. Even more than Most Wanted 2012. I knew I couldn’t have been the only one who was tired of this, and I’m a big fan of the game. Ever since I made my video about why the soundtrack is disliked, I’ve been feeling it more and more. I told you this in DMs before but with the racist and personal comments on that comment it just truly hit me how insane this community has become under Unbound. I think it’s multiple factors, but Unbound being a game that pissed people off I think is something that needed to happen. NFS needed a shakeup, and I think Unbound shook up the way people play NFS. Lots of people just didn’t understand the gameplay loop/progression because it’s like nothing else in a racing game. Of course, the gameplay is just one of many reasons the community around this game is so polarizing. But I can’t help but feel content creators are partially to blame. These long videos analyzing the game going “it’s not like Most Wanted” are making it worse. Their opinion is perfectly valid, but there are an unbelievable amount of people who get their opinions from content creators. If some content creators feel one way about the game and they’re the only ones making videos, there’s going to be a noticeable skew. Back to pissing people off, the NFS community feels like it’s breaking apart from the inside out. I think the more Criterion experiments with NFS the more we can weed out the dumbasses (like all the racists that have seem to come out since this game) and NFS can break apart the expectation that we need Most Wanted every year. They just need to NOT let the community direct the game.

[@Fastminer07]

That's something I noticed while researching for my video, just how many content creators were all saying the exact same stuff about the campaign, the music, the effects, etc, and always comparing them to older NFS games. I try my entire video to compare them as little as possible and to look at it from a new perspective, and yet I see my comments filled with the same responses as both everyone who hated the game and everyone who loved it. It's just dumb.

[@forceknight7469]

Is your Unbound vid still coming? It seems to be taking forever lol

[@TheJakeMG]

@@forceknight7469 the Online video ran into issues. I’m not sure if that one is still coming.

[@rodriguezracer4567]

If the NFS franchise dies, it will be because of the community eating itself rather than the quality of the games. Calling it now.

[@deathbynina3539]

Glad u said something about all the racist that showed themselves since the games release. Definitely noticed that too

[@danoV1c]

Challenge : Have a civil discussion about any NFS game without pissing off the community (IMPOSSIBLE). For real though, how the fuck is valid criticism a bad thing even for older titles, if something has flaws and you point them out it doesn't mean you hate the very thing you talk about. Then again it comes down to that classic Twitter response "Oh you like waffles? You must hate pancakes then"

[@mintgoldheart6126]

I will have all the controversial opinions about NFS

[@heardofrvb]

How bad can conversations about the PS1 era NFS games be?

[@Zhawn7]

​@@heardofrvbI think most of the NFS community doesn't even care about the NFS games that came before Underground.

[@andreroberson6554]

@@Zhawn7 i care because i grew up with 1994-2002 (no offense)

[@Zhawn7]

@@andreroberson6554 I never grew up with the classic NFS games, but I love those games regardless.

[@PSG51]

Social media sucks, thats the reality here. Wake up people!!

[@elaymm4]

Great video. I believe that you're taking it a bit too personal (or maybe I grew too numb), but for me - I just realized that it's how it is, the community & opinions. And the best thing to do in this case, for the most part, is to just relax and don't dive too deeply (and god forbid to engage into any arguments/dramas - DONT DO THAT, WALK AWAY). Lots of people will be saying This and That, what really matters is what you think (and maybe your friends). It's a bit sad because of that it means that the community will likely never be peaceful, but, again, in my case - what, is it going to stop me from doing what I want and what I believe in? Hell no! I can understand that for some this kind of feedback can be too much, but I guess it depends on how much you're dedicated to the series and latest titles. Also, I know it's not a great thing to say, but anyway. What's happening right now means that the series is far from dead lol. It would be dead if no one cared, but right now it seems like the opposite.

[@TheJakeMG]

This is easily the best comment here.

[@youssef1770]

we need more people like you with this opinion.

[@RomnysGonzalez]

The Racing genre in the internet is going throw a plague of "Hate watchers". People just want every racing game to fail so they can dunk on it and make negative content about it. People wants 2 sides. The game is either 10/10 or is dogshit which is terrible for the community as a whole. Sure Unbound isn't 10/10. Sure Unbound isn't better than old NFS games, but is a 7/10 game and the gaming industry needs those kind of games too. People out there acting like a game being 7/10 is the worst thing ever. Unbound got some good things too. Isn't all painted red out of terrible

[@ruzgarakgul2051]

battlefield youtubers from back in the day were known EA shills and one actually got blacklisted by EA for 7 years for rightfully criticizing bfv so I guess that’s why people have a bad taste in their mouth when someone says this video was sponsored by ea

[@k8ed53]

personally, this type of behavior is exactly the reason why i’m personally not as interest in the series as i was previously when Unbound was announced, it’s rather unfortunate that people are too disrespectful and pure toxic sometimes to what other people think, and it’s very sad that it has gotten to an exhausting state for pretty much everyone with a level head, i haven’t gotten the chance to play it, but i’m sure that if people took off the nostalgia glasses and saw Unbound as it’s own game and not a continuation of Black Box which has been dead for a decade now, then we can properly judge and criticize the actual flaws of the game without causing unnecessary tangents, either way, that’s enough of my rant, hope you’re doing well Eden, have a good day ^^

[@ahmedberoho7180]

🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@rodriguezracer4567]

It's how I was able to enjoy Most Wanted 2012 again after the barrage of undeserved negativity started to color my perception of it, ignore the name and treat it as it's own game.

[@mostwanted2kay]

That's a huge issue unfortunately. Especially the NFS Sub Reddit is full of people like the ones you mention here. However the worse are the ones that just call everything bad despite NFS MW 05.

[@TheCapitalWanderer]

yeah

[@rodriguezracer4567]

At this point, the only NFS games that's safe to talk about are the ones made before Underground 1 (like Hot Pursuit 2, High Stakes, Porsche Unleashed, etc.)

[@Zhawn7]

​@@rodriguezracer4567You do have a point. Most of the community doesn't even care about the early NFS games (As far as I know) because they have no nostalgia with those games.

[@andreroberson6554]

@@rodriguezracer4567 its not even safe to talk about 1994-2002 atp

[@TheCapitalWanderer]

​@@andreroberson6554fr?

[@acropophia8857]

Ive witnessed firsthand one of my favorite youtubers literally switch genres altogether because he got doxxed and threatened for his input on a certain game or two. Its ridiculous. I will miss his content for sure, i hope the same doesnt happen to you.

[@diecastreviewracing]

Moses B?

[@acropophia8857]

@@diecastreviewracing yes him

[@ThePhobiaCrew]

I feel the same but essentially those people who say things like “nfs unbound sucks this game is better or heat is better or I don’t like the animations.” Are posers. I’ve been playing nfs games since the originals and unbound is pretty fun. Is it the best game ever? No but it is fun and they are improving it. I don’t listen to the posers who only started playing nfs after heat. Again those people are posers and you shouldn’t give their criticisms a second of your time. Only listen to people who actually play. The game can be very unbalanced and broken at times but so are a lot of games just get over it.

[@TheCapitalWanderer]

based

[@nikitamedvedev4696]

The whole negativity with Unbound is more related to racing community after Raycevik opened bitteness floodgate with his video, which I don't blame his for that knowing how bad was GT7 launch and FH5 issues. With Unbound itself I hadn't played it, but by watching videos and criticism I can say it can be categorized by statement 'good idea, subpar execution. Cringe dialogues, inconsistent artstyle, lack of new content after Heat, progression and lack of late game content, subpar soundtrack (come on, having so many unlistenable tracks is no excuse knowing how strong and iconic NFS soundtracks are from mid 90s) are good examples of what I'm trying to say. Not a bad game (pretty good one considering everything), but underwhelming and unlucky to be caught by hate train what we see now.

[@TheCapitalWanderer]

Raycevick didn't hate on Unbound in his video though, he just mentions a few things in Unbound he disliked, for the most part he still enjoys Unbound.

[@nikitamedvedev4696]

@@TheCapitalWanderer I've never said that he hated Unbound. What I meant was that Unbound was caught by a hate train after his video and game own issues.

[@TheCapitalWanderer]

​@@nikitamedvedev4696ah okay, makes sense

[@K0Y0I_sis]

Someone need to make a video essay on Tribalism to put this the hostility to rest.

[@NeedForSleep82]

I understand and wholeheartedly agree with you Eden. The sphere of discussion regarding not just NFS but the racing genre in general has been poisoned by those with louder voices who, I believe, don't fully understand what it is that makes racing games enjoyable. These people will scream loudly about their gripes with minor details or directions in which developers will go in and in turn their audience will boost their flawed analyses and opinions from their soap-box to every relevant community. I believe Raycevick put it best on their video regarding Unbound and its "design controversy": "...Because its the first racing game in years that doesn't look identical to everything else on the market." I got into a major discussion on a recent Dark Space video regarding racing games and I found a lot of people parroting the points that Dark Space was making without actively engaging with their commentary. Points that they would make conflating subjective issues with objective ones, arguments regarding 'lack of detail' without ever humouring the scope of the demand they are making. I understand why someone would have issues with these newer titles and what their problems may be, but the discussion most of the time leads to either a pursuit of perfectionism that the developers must always undertake or nostalgia driven critique where the argument will lead to "Old game better" without really thinking about why that is the case. By humouring these points the racing game community has bastardised many nuanced critiques of multiple games down to minor blemishes, personal gripes, subjective issues and other trivial things. I argued against that Dark Space video that there is a core misunderstanding in the community on what makes a good game 'good' and that people should learn to understand this if they want to make a meaningful impact on the development of future titles. I pointed out that, taking NFSMW as an example, a sum of a lot of its parts working in harmony are what made the game so memorable and that if even one of those parts lacked in quality or depth, the experience would've fallen flat. A good handling/physics model is only as good as the map its set in. A good soundtrack is only as fitting as the theme its set in. A good gameplay loop is only as good as its challenging factors (AI, track design). To finish off, many people copied Dark Spaces final critique on racing game development 'Having more "technology" now than before', implying that because software has improved so should the supposed work ethic of developers, relegating onus of poor design/missing features onto studios hiring untalented or lazy staff. I bring this up because I believe its a great example of how toxic expectations can be when the level of understanding is diminished. These people cite their issues with newer titles being buggy or released rough-shod purely on developers who don't care rather than publishers and upper management forcing the game out the door when its barely had time to cook in the oven. We now know of what NFSMW 2012 was supposed to be like before the final version and the only reasonable explanation as to why it turned out the way it did was that EA forced Criterion to get the project out the door by a deadline. I very much doubt that in one of the few workplaces where you are almost forced to work 60-hr weeks that developer are still finding ways to be lazy like these people claim them to be.

[@saikousocial]

I know this is completely unrelated, but I love your shirt! Do you have a link where one could go to buy it?

[@kikimoraharpie]

It's all so true, I hate it. I grew up on the old NFS games, back from the old days of things like High Stakes and NFS 3 Hot Pursuit. Things like UG2 and MW05 were fun games too, but they also had their flaws. I personally like Unbound. It's a fun Need for Speed game. A Need for Speed that's arcadey, feels fast, and also, the Boost mechanic is something the series 100% needed to split itself and give itself some great needed identity if you ask me! I don't really follow the community though. I never liked following that crowd of people that always vehemently defend something to a tee. Form your own opinions, play what you want. Enjoy the things you enjoy. I enjoy Criterion's take of Need for Speed, but not everyone wanted Burnout esque NFS and I'm understanding of it. I just hope they'll introduce something for the single player peeps out there.

[@JaNieWie]

So, I got into NFS this year after rebembering, that I have a PS2 copy of NFS Carbon, which I got on my birthday 11 years ago (in 2012). Since I don't have my PS2 anymore I decided to look up some content to see how the game was. Once I looked up the soundtrack I quickly found out somebody made a video of NFS Unbound and put a Carbon soundtrack under it. Then I listened to the actual soundtrack and saw comments say "Carbon was the last good NFS game" and all that, and I almost believed them, until I finally watched gameplays of other Need For Speed titles like of Hot Pursuit Remastered for an example. Even though I didn't play any NFS game yet, I can say, that the only bad titles of the series in my opinion are Undercover (for handling and physics being build on ProStreet and cops not aggressive enough), 2015 (for very slippery handling and cops being literal snails) and Payback (for card upgrading system), although I have yet to play them to share my final verdict. When Unbound Vol. 2 dropped, I was lost in the community, since literally everybody was saying how bad the update was and how it should have had all the content of it on launch, not in a seperate update. This is when I asked myself "Was it a good time to join the NFS community?". Talking about the soundtrack, I'm not really hyped around Underground 2 and Most Wanted 2005's soundtracks. These are almost entirely made out of Heavy Metal. At least Carbon has more variety. Also, people are sleeping on The Run soundtrack. I don't say the other songs are bad, because I didn't listen to them at all. They are just supposed to give the game the vibe. I keep seeing people also begging for the remaster of those old games, when it's pretty much impossible for an official remaster to drop (due to y'know, licencing issues for cars and songs, old game engine and other reasons). People seem to forget, that we have something such as power of modding. You can mod your beloved old games to have stuff you want and if you want to play them, but you don't have the copy, then no problem - there are several websites where you can download them and relive the childhood instead of begging for a remaster. Closing notes: My favorite NFS game is most likely gonna be Hot Pursuit Remastered due to how fun the game seems to be. If not for the multiplayer server shutdown, Carbon and The Run would have been otherwise. Considering modding, maybe Heat and 2015 with PROJECT UNITE mods. I'll probably still stick around in the community, since I don't show any interest in Gran Turismo, Forza games and etc. I should also probably start focusing on PAYDAY more, as Payday 3 is coming out this September.

[@heatseeker3725]

I just try to stay in my corner and enjoy games that I have fun iwth, no matter how controversial they are :P , that's gaming and complaining for ya lol

[@seija8588]

More metalcore than heavy metal and it just so happens idk hard music enhances most people's adrenaline playing a high tension racing game like MW, even if you want to argue NFS music always follows the era they're in. "Today's music" in unbound not as much and that's probably still pretty generous lol. MW's menu music is still mostly composed with classic rap & hip hop anyway... which honestly are MILES better than whatever we have today

[@JaNieWie]

@@heatseeker3725 Yeah, I'm trying that too.

[@JaNieWie]

@@seija8588 Yeah, I agree.

[@irvanray1898]

If I got a penny every time compare new NFS to old NFS, I would've been rich by now.

[@TheRealChainNinja]

Welcome to what a toxic fanbase pretty much is. Not only on Need For Speed, but other games too. Some people can’t respect other opinions because they think they are wrong and they’re always right or can’t admit that the opposing side are right about something. An example in Unbound’s case being the soundtrack and the progression.

[@_Vino.]

Exactly

[@TheCapitalWanderer]

some people do bring up valid criticism there though

[@CheapBastard1988]

@torrenttire Very true, but valid criticism should be brought detailed and respectfully to be well understood and taken seriously. Unfortunately, not everyone is as capable in communication skills. Or worse, they are too lazy to type in such a manner. Of course, there are also trolls who enjoy the negative attention.

[@TheCapitalWanderer]

@@CheapBastard1988 i agree, some people just jump into the hate bandwagon and ignore the good aspects of Unbound

[@sambeezy007]

An example on Most Wanted 2005: The rubberbanding and yellow filter. Just not for me.

[@featherpheasant3851]

One thing as well to point out the music. Everyone plays Money by Rico Nasty or Apricots by Bicep in Unbound then compare it with Decadence by Disturbed in Most Wanted 05. Again an unfair comparison because everyone is playing the same music from Unbound.

[@father042]

There hasn't been a generally liked NFS game since Hot Pursuit 2010 so the community is just hard to please

[@ibukondo3657]

Unfortunately, it feels like people are getting more rabid when they look for some hill to die on. They'll attack any stranger that has zero impact on their quality of life. Not a trend I'm excited for, but unfortunately you caught the business end of that trend. Sorry to hear, and if it's any consolation, I appreciate your style of videos and content.

[@senorlechuga8832]

I'm gonna be honest this probably isn't about NFS Unbound but the NFS community as a whole. Yeah, the game is just okay, Criterion had to fix Ghost's fuck ups and they sorta managed to do it. It's getting better though. But holy fuck, people are still talking about the artstyle, old games better this, NFS 2015 underrated gem that, yada yada. It's just several echo chambers at this point. PS: The soundtrack comparison vids suck, they all use the same two or three songs because they don't wanna admit old games had bad songs and new games have good songs.

[@teertaa]

I played unbound and none of the soundtrack fits to my ear except the asap rocky ones. But yeah its ridiculous like almost every racing community(not only nfs) is dunking hard on unbound like they just dont want to acknowledge at least any single potential of it. Im finding the game pretty innovative despite its relatively messy to me

[@Mx64MaxyImpress]

I guess because NFS didn't charm that huge back in the golden era of gamer, especially the community just fill with those toxicity person, that makes the some content creators that trying to embrace the appeal of the games nowadays

[@learn_with_gern]

The obvious community discontent the past few years with all recent racing games being underbaked, uninspired, and unsatisfying probably has to do a lot with it. I think it all comes from us wanting NFS to be a light in the dark and being disappointed when we get really mixed results.

[@Dar1usz]

Nowadayds people dont know what they want so they complain about everything lol, typical snowflake attitude, rest is jusst enjoying a game and having a blast.

[@TheCapitalWanderer]

​@@Dar1uszespecially NFS fans lol, NFS already got 3 different identities and the louder crowd forces everyone to praise MW05 like it's jesus christ

[@groozst]

so it's just like Fallout and Elder Scrolls community, gotchu

[@dextera808]

Well, that is on every community in any general fandom ever. Not suprised at all. But keep up the good content and do what you want.

[@luisortega8085]

people are too jaded, angry after like, a decade of EA wasting the potential of NFS games, and most people still glorifying MW because it's essentially the fattest game story and gameplay wise (i prefer rivals though) doesn't help.

[@luisortega8085]

@@marksands9532 i dont give a shit

[@UltraVarietyChannel]

For the longest time I was under the impression that modern society had raised people to have calm and rational discussions, but as I got older and interacted with strangers more, I realized that a massive portion of people who voice their opinions just can't do it in a productive way. I'm not even asking for everyone to have greatly intellectual and deep conversations, I'm just asking for people to not throw around insults, put words in people's mouths, and try their hardest to make everyone who doesn't agree completely the villain. Its not hard to disagree, discuss and come to a better understanding. Me and my friends do it all the time.

[@perfectlap9379]

"maybe this is more of a content creator issue" nah, its really not. Most of the NFS discords are absolutely trash because of this as well. Sorry to hear your experience

[@ggspooks7915]

I have been playing the game a lot, and I do like it. Lot's of people wanna come and give a funny take or just take out frustration on something which didn't line up with their expectations. I think the game had great diversity in a fair way and I loved the soundtrack, overall mechanics of the game. This game once again, will be a victim of over-reactions and in time it will be called great.

[@Dar1usz]

Simply its best NFS since ps2 era and they dont even want to admit it cause cartoon effects or soundtrack lol

[@ggspooks7915]

@@Dar1usz For real dude, it's tiring because its similar to the reception of The Run, Shift 2, NFS 2015, ProStreet, Rivals. . .

[@TheCapitalWanderer]

​@@Dar1uszpretty much lmao

[@Nachy]

Glad to know I wasn't the only one who found the massive amount of low effort meme videos about Unbound's soundtrack. Wasn't a big fan of the soundtrack either but it's completely fine, lacks some variety but overall listenable especially compared to Heat. Nostalgia bait really is annoying.

[@akanerose]

Oh god unbound soundtrack meme is the most awful trend i've seen in any gaming community ever. It's exhausting and annoying. I hate the community for this reason alone.

[@Nachy]

@@akaneroseAbsolutely.

[@csongorduka7125]

6:48 yeah i can agree on that, i didn't liked the rap songs in Most wanted and there were a few rock songs that i just skipped, same goes for both underground. It's going to be a hot take, but IMO they fucked up the soundtrack of Underground 1/2 really badly, like Midnight club had the same aesthetic but atleast MC had rave songs from the 90s/00s cuz that was really popular in the tuner culture back in the 00s, underground 2 had 2 trance songs which was really fitting to the game's atmosphere, but the other ones were just generic rap and rock songs.

[@namansharma291]

I'm not even a content creator, but even I find the comments very VERY tiresome. I think it is good that they are trying to keep this game alive, and considering the situation with Heat, I feel they are doing better. But yeah, it is seriously tiresome to read sometimes. The developers are doing the best to evolve this game, so I want to keep playing this game and see where it goes.

[@viperox5920]

Very cool shirt! Is it custom made or is it possible to get somewhere?

[@darkblader06]

Honestly man you dont owe anyone anything if people want content on the game, theres always dudes like Blackpanthaa who are more enthusiastic about the game. I myself enjoyed the initial launch of the game but feel the updates arent for the singleplayer community.

[@heybos4640]

Same thing with horizon 5 as welll. The reason that people complain more is also because of the internet era we live in. People need to vent out their frustrations and we tend to do it nowadays through social media,forums ect. Gaming itself shouldve been about venting feelings but the problem is we grow glued more and more into these screens and happened to achieve the exact opposite effect. Go on a forum, complain, watch youtube videos to affirm our opinions/views.. We didnt need to do that back in the day. We just played the games we like, and didnt play the games we didnt like. Its simply the internet getting the worst out of people. And here i am commenting under a video, nobody knows who the hell i am chanting into an echo chamber. Its just pathetic really. Thats not to say that there cant be valid critisizm. This technological age is both a blessing and a curse. Devs could get really viable feedback one click away and also get such a shitstorm of negativity not a single person can ever experience in real life. Its impossible for this NOT to get to you and affect you. And it will take a great mental toll on you no doubt. Well im going back to it i guess..

[@DortioPhoenix]

I feel like the Need For Speed Community has this weird obsession of appreciating the previous entry when a new game is announced. Like, what the hell, you didn't like the game before, why are you giving it praise now? Honestly at this point I'm just ready to leave the NFS community.

[@gosorios]

I feel like NFS fans are a lot like the Star Wars fans. We get it, you think the classics are better than the newer entries. But it seems that, way too often, fans forget that these are things made by actual people that were probably just trying their best. Don’t like? Criticize fairly. Like? Enjoy.

[@jakedoe4987]

I always see people who always compare the new nfs to most wanted and underground. If people don't like the new games, don't play them. I can completely understand why you aren't making videos on it anymore. Too many people up in arms about it.

[@Jole30]

Didnt know it was this toxic..I just play the game and i like it. People cant like everything..

[@Patterson66]

That's the problem nowadays ppl love to hate things on either side if like things then hate I'd you dont like. U cant just have an opinion anymore and a discussion with ppl it's sad. I appreciate this ur thoughts on this and ur content thanks

[@proletariandreams69]

Getting attacked by both sides is something I may have not experienced first hand, but I have noticed that it's a fairly polarizing game, especially compared to the previous entries, including Heat. But this is *also* a problem with online communities at large as well, when the franchises have changed tremendously throughout the years. Another example of this would be the Doom community, which is honestly really not that far from Need for Speed's. Moreover, I think another reason for the very polarizing responses is connected to the general consensus of the game, which in the case of the previous games was much more consistent, such as 2015 being generally regarded as a bad game overall, Payback as an improvement over it but otherwise still average, and Heat being a big step in the right direction. Unbound? Well, it had a difficult development, one where the team was even moved to a different game for a year, and when development finally resumed, the marketing was mostly absent, and when the campaign started it was all in a month, ahead of the release. It generated little hype as a result, and many either didn't just care for it, or picked it up half-hearted, expecting another incremental improvement over Heat. And once again, the story does repeat itself, Unbound is better in some ways, but worse in others, especially in terms of storytelling and atmosphere. This is, unfortunately, a side-effect of NFS struggling to remain relevant for so many years and trying to find its identity again after Black Box was shut down. Its inability to establish a foothold has created two main camps, of people who either love modern NFS no matter what, and one endlessly dissatisfied with everything coming out nowadays and being stuck with their favorite old NFS titles. It's a shame to see this happening, but it's the inevitable fate of franchises that experience major identity crises throughout their existence, one camp will always mourn the loss, while the other either accepts the reality and moves on, or has never experienced it and has no attachment to those days. Perhaps the fanbase will become more united in the future, but until we get a game that receives universal critical acclaim, like say MW2005 or HP2010, that will just not happen. We need a game that even the haters will love, and in its current state, NFS still can't quite provide this. The tide seemed to change with Heat, but now with Unbound the effect seems to be reversing.

[@hrznn]

Good point, it really feels like that dull endless loop of trying to figure out whether UB is good or not (it'll never get settled). But just like the conversations, the game is exhausting too. I don't play it because I like it, but because I spent 20eur on it, and it'd feel like wasted money. It's the Yes honey! meme, but with UB content drops.

[@idriveastationwagon1534]

My only complaint against unbound is some of the car sounds. Kind of lacks soul compared to the black box era. Other than that...unbound is still better than undercover...just saying

[@somerandomdude2085]

one problem I've had with the most recent nfs titles, is that the car sounds get more quite when going faster. It should be the other way around where the car sounds get progressively louder.

[@idriveastationwagon1534]

@@somerandomdude2085 seem like the sound vibrancy kinda went down post mw 2012. I think HP 2010 had the best sounds, especially in terms of accuracy (m6 was off tho)

[@somerandomdude2085]

@@idriveastationwagon1534 My personal favorite car sounds are either from prostreet or the run. I know the car sounds in both games are over exaggerated, but that's why I love em.

[@darkblader06]

Fandoms are the deathnail to alot of games.

[@ralcolfwolfcoon8207]

Not Sly Cooper

[@ChadSpittingTruth.]

They're Deathnail every games in general

[@teertaa]

I dont know what causes this, like, every nfs released after shift 2 is full of "nfs bad" sentiments. Like liking any nfs after shift 2 will get you a cancellation. Yeah i know they are not that good but whats wrong with letting people enjoy things unless its promoting harmful schemes/monetization which none of the "new nfs" players condone Yeah the yesterday comments was pretty messy. Please take care of yourself eden. You did really good for the community :)

[@crishokage2076]

When I finished playing the Campaign mode on NFS Unbound, I was ready to play the online until I have to grind it to unlock cars. So I just stop playing it.

[@roneythehedgehog]

I just want to play the game, i just want a ps4 port damn ea

[@walthuuuuu]

The KZbin algorithm even helps with that "Unbound soundtrack bad, NFS MW soundtrack good" stuff and everytime that shit pops up on my feed I immediately hide those videos. I agree, I don't like seeing content like that because it's negative ad hominem and it shuts off people who actually like the newer NFS games and their soundtracks, I don't, but I don't feel the need to tell people what they should like and dislike. God, some people just don't get over trivial things. They really don't have anything better to do than to cry and rant about video games (Twitter crowd especially) and worst of all, shit on people that like them. No wonder why grass touching became a meme.

[@alan64047]

It's a trend and traditional thing to hate and shit on new NFS games and after the new game comes out they praise the older game in this case is shitting on Unbound and praising Heat The "criticism" that unbound gets makes it seems like it's an unplayable game

[@PhoenixNoKiseki]

Forza Motorsport 8 comes out in October. That won’t be controversial… AT ALL. /s

[@DonathanXVI]

to be honest my biggest issues with unbound are the disconnect between singleplayer and multiplayer progression, the lack of singleplayer content after completing the story mode as well as the singleplayer mode’s day/night session system. apart from that, i really enjoy unbound and i think it’s a good few steps in the right direction. though if heat got a 60 fps patch on consoles i’d go back to it in a heartbeat lol

[@bruszli1255]

I left the nfs community last year around november, had no intention to ever be part of it again cause its rotten to its core, people in "charge of it" are no better than its most toxic members . In february i noticed a new group/server i joined them cause they were different,(after 6 months they transformed in to every other nfs group/server) there is no more hope i probably will leave that place as well and just making peace with the fact that this community is incredibly ignorant and toxic to a point where any interaction is a waste of everyone's time.

[@nrtmv2605]

hope urr doing okay dude

[@amnottabs]

imo we haven't gotten a remarkable NFS game since ProStreet, then we had "good enough" but forgettable installments until Unbound came out to lower the bar and all the piled-up frustration of the fans spilled like a [insert poop joke here]

[@TurboAnime]

The song part does make sense. It's not just for the NFS series, but every game you play, will have its goods and its bads for the soundtrack. I never bothered watching those videos cause it would be the same thing on always bashing on the game and just only nitpicking on the bad songs and compare them to the older game with the most over popular, over used songs that I eventually grew tired of listening to only cause of those videos. Aside from the music portion of things, I do feel bad that you have to deal with this. Like I get Unbound wasn't a great NFS game, but it wasn't the worst in the series and it doesn't deserve too much of the hate like people are making it to be. At the end of the day, you're just here to make honest opinions and not everyone is gonna like it but they just have to accept it and if they don't, then thats there problem.

[@revoblam7975]

I guess this is the result of a corpo blinded by the creed of greed trying to squeeze a franchise, I can't wait for the genre to become a wasteland no AAA dev wants to touch so I can finally see REAL attempts to innovate the genre

[@snackytem277]

I dunno if you had already played such games on your main channel dear mister Dustin, but I'd like to hear your thoughts on funny car sim games or games that has like a life around cars feel to them, like Mon Bazou or My Summer Car or this new Cars for Sale simulator 2023 or whatever it's called (I forgor my bad) Maybe a steam deep dive on such things

[@Oualouidji]

I'm gonna try the game on the Game Pass starting tomorrow. I don't have huge expectation but it's been so long since the last time I played NFS!

[@zedcario]

Kinda crazy how a game can turn a community like this. While I don't really take a look at the comments, it's true that I did notice the overabundance of videos about the soundtrack and other things. I personaly always thought that the game was alright as I did with Heat. That the soundtrack, while having more songs that I like compared to heat, had also a lot more forgettable and uninteresting ones. How badly optimized it is, and how the lack of informations concerning the updates was annoying. Despite that I still say it's an ok game with defaults and I still sometimes play it, and I don't go harass people that say otherwise. I don't really see how bad the community is acting right now but if it is as bad as you described it, I really hope people will just calm down and accept criticizings and opinions about a racing game. (btw I notice that I have the exact same Yoshi plush in the background ^^)

[@Neekkas]

In my opinion this game is hated because due to the fact it's new Gen only and it was very raw when it arrived. Now is becoming good but the damage is done. However I don't get the community. Just play if you like it. If you don't, don't play it

[@transparentblue]

It's to be expected with people treating brands as if they're vital parts of their existence on top of nostalgia goggles and the general stagnation of videogames and racing in particular people are just itching to start shit with anyone saying anything remotely contradicting and since there's little direct consequence it'll be like that for the foreseeable future. What happened in my opinion is the same old "franchise that has been in limbo suddenly gets a title that is perceptibly less bad than what came before". So old fans get tricked into trying it, and because it's just "less bad" they think it's utter shit but see a large group of people treating it like it's the second coming which means they'll have to endure their franchise going more into that direction / wallowing in mediocrity, which is upsetting, and simply letting go isn't easy for some people. People who enjoyed the game to some degree for some reason feel the attacks are unjustified so they replicate with equal intensity, and you end up in the middle of a flamewar It's counterproductive too since it brings more attention to the game which publishers generally tend to treat as good regardless of how negative it is and it leads to people external to the situation coming into the game expecting trash and finding mediocrity thus leaving with a slightly positive experience but it also stops any sort of calm discussion so you have a game that's meh but you can't talk about it but publishers are still feeling like they're popular so they'll make more of it, nobody wins, except EA. Sometimes this kind of situation fizzles out or has hate directed towards the devs / publishers but it's not like people expected anything out of EA or hating EA is some kind of fringe idea and the expectations were built high enough that people still find a reason to actively seek confrontation about it unlike say BF2042 There's been nothing to be expected of that franchise on the official side for over 10 years, everyone involved should just let go of the idea that there's anything worth your attention span at this point.

[@Zakon_by]

I agree this fanbase, this whole conversation about bad game good game is toxic as hell and we're, I don't saint I was a few time caught up in that holy fights, but in the end of the day, particularly today - I went in online and had a blast playing unbound and I like new update, so with you just do what you enjoy and it's fine to don't pursue content that demoralizing, I respect to what you doing

[@glenben92]

Sub 959, onboard and ready to race, captain!

[@FusionRebel]

I mean, I do think that the soundtrack is crap.... but its so easy to just turn it off and play your own music lol

[@RomnysGonzalez]

Let's gooooo video 2

[@SLASH_2801]

Oh yeah I totally agree with you on the comment sections on videos I got so many haters on me for saying Unbound's soundtrack is not bad It's crazy how easy it is to trigger a community🤣

[@TheCapitalWanderer]

tbf, you are triggering a bunch of 30 year old manchildren, not adults lmao.

[@W0LFEXE]

I've dealt with both sides involving this game, they die on yhe hill of either this game is top tier and every other racing game sucks compared to it, or this game is woke trash riddled with issues and a terrible soundtrack. I totally understand wanting to getting away from making content about it. Honestly, thats most fandoms in entertainment nowadays. Im sorry you have to deal with this kind if stuff man. People are insane

[@SidWaj]

been a really weird thing in the racing game world as a whole, same thing I've seen in The Crew, you can't compliment a game without an extreme response of hating, can't criticise the game without people hating you for not liking something, a strange binary in the racing game community, even outside of specific games, if you play Forza, Unbound and Crew suck, if you play Unbound, Forza and Crew suck, if you like Crew, Forza and Unbound suck it's exhausting... the amount people care about only being able to like only one thing when it just.. doesn't.. matter

[@arutezza]

this sorta community interaction happens a lot in forza too, no matter if you like or hate it someones always gonna be on you about it a lot of it either seems like blindly loving or hating the game with no actual reasons either, its never a civil discussion about what the game can improve on, or what it does well. it always has to be this intense arguement honestly i enjoy the videos on the older, lesser known racing games a lot more than the need for speed videos

[@abdilahramadhan984]

Sad state of Need For Speed this is.... On the other hand, its cool that i found your second channel. I've seen you talk about Persona 3. Maybe you can do a JRPG themed playthrough in this channel....or Visual Novels, the spicy ones, of course. You can count on your editor on censoring the "family friendly" parts, right? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[@stepzagr9992]

3:12 so true, man. So true

[@JustMartha07]

Speaking about "fans". I think in last few years people became even more toxic than they used to be, it grew into huge parts of communities. That's insane and kills the joy. I don't like many stuff but never attacked anyone for enjoying those things. I don't blame games for that, but people. Dunno what happend with common sense.

[@drew5993]

You know...this is why I sometimes just wanna leave this community, like completely.

[@remsilvertongue25]

Wow, I'm glad I don't really get involved with the community around this game because I had no idea it was so bad.. I'm sorry these assholes made life so difficult for you, Dustin.

[@miroradics4565]

This is just so weird, Unbound is more polarizing than Payback, which was a blatant try to bring the mobile game model to PC.. into a FULL PRICED GAME... Unbound is a good game. Little bit too long, the cops are absolutely exhausting, but Heat was a good foundation to build on. The customization was good, the races were good, just got a bit repetitive, and as a completionist it was weird for me that I got punished with boring, exhausting lvl5 cop chases. But the style is awesome, I hope they can build on this.

[@RRmiel]

All my homies hate electronic arts 💯🦅

[@marcospolo7831]

All I can say is ¨Conformists¨ get the industry they deserve.

[@abde4645]

Fax

[@gabby780]

As a Pokèmon fan... "First time?"

[@andreanastacio9548]

I feel like this is isn`t an issie with unbound`s community, but rather it seems to be a trend among many racing game communities (and other games from other genres as well). The most immediate example I can think of is FH5, where you have alot of people who make each new update for that game sound like the 2nd coming of christ, while on the other hand you have people hate on the game as if it killed their parents or kicked their dog, and if you share an opinion that differs from one of these two groups, you can bet you ass they`ll be coming at you full force, regardless of how rational and well thought out your reason for dosagreeing is... I for one think that everyone is entitled to their opinion, and everyone has the right to dosagree with other peoples opinions, as long as they know how to stay civil, and maintain a civilized and rational conversation. I for one enjoyed my time with the game well enough, despite having more than a few issues with the way the single player set up, and since as far as I`m concerned multiplayer in games serves axclusively as a side distraction that allows for me to hang out and mess around with friends, from time to time. As a result I have little interest in what they actually add to the game, since I buy and play games for single player, and they`ve been ignoring that aspect of the game. I`l admit that since I grew up with the black box NFS games (and NFS Porsche), I have alot of nostalgia for those games, and look for a similar experience in the current games, with the game that comes the closest IMO being Heat ( which I prefer overall, over unbound). In terms of the soundtracks, it`s all subjective, tbh. From what I`ve noticed, NFS games have always tended to use alot of contemporary music that is popular at the time of developpment, while trying to stick with the game`s theme/vibe. Alot uf us NFS fans grew up around the time of the BlackBox era games, and it`s only natural that the soundtracks of the time would appeal to us. Current NFS is still doing the same basic thing, of trying to use contemporary music that fits the game`s theme, and it just so happens that the resulting soundtrack appeals alot to teenagers, instead of appealing to old farts like us who don`t tend to enjoy these songs too much. The songs themselves aren`t inharently bad or poorly composed in any way, it`s just the type of music we enjoy. I would personally argue that NFS Heat has the worse soundtrack, since the game really screams 80`s nean and vaporeave aesthetic, and yet instead of focusing on synthwave and darksynth music (atleast for night time), we get the most generic latino music, when there is nothing about the game`s setting and aesthetic that screams latino culture (the only other latino things in the game being the girl who`s name I`m forgetting (and her brother). The worst sin a modern NFS` soundtrack can commit is to not match the game`s theme, and everything else is purely subjective

[@rodriguezracer4567]

"when there is nothing about the game`s setting and aesthetic that screams latino culture" Uh.... you might have forgotten that Heat's setting is based on Miami. Which has a strong Latino population. Anyway I agree, NFS has always used music that was popular to the time of development. NFS not using nu-metal and rock anymore and using what's popular on TikTok is simple: it's not the 2000s anymore. Players who grew up in the mid-2000s aren't the target demographic anymore. We're old.

[@andreanastacio9548]

@@rodriguezracer4567 to be fair, I`m not from the US, and I wasn`t really aware of a strong latino presence in the area, so I don`t really associate the two like I dould if the game were set in a place like LA. I also think that they should`ve based the soundtrack more on the aesthetic they went for, and for the night time aesthetic atleast, I don`t think that the soundtrack fits at all... I don`t remember if they actually do this (though I doubt they do), but I think the best solution would have been to have the latino songs during the day, and a more fitting soundtrack at night. All that being said, my biggest issue with Heat is the soundrack (specificly in regards the the theme and aesthetic) since I appreciate that they chose songs that would be popular with the younger generations (I`m a late 90s and early 00s kid, and as far as I`m concerned the series peaked with A7X, disturbed, Snoop Dog, and lil John), so I just turn of and listen to spotify instead. I don`t like Unbound`s soundrack eiither since it`s not the type of music I`m into, but I feel like it matches the look and feel of the game, so I can tolerate it much more easily

[@NailStrafer]

I believe it to be for the best thatl I do not engage with the fanbases of most of things I like, and this is just one more example of why. I don't have a strong opinion about NFS Unbound either way. It's just OK to me. But I'm glad I've missed out on arguments coming from both of the sides you've mentioned in your video.

[@pagani3809]

Some communities just happen to have questionable individuals overwhelming the playerbase and it maintains a certain reputation cause of that. Overwatch is another good example, Even with the current PvE situation, some people just keep spreading toxic comments to any content creators covering the obvious developer issues. You can't have a normal discussion with some people about the games current status, about the game mechanics etc, and just see any form of criticism as an attempt to bring negative light towards the franchise. The irony in all of that, and how this is still the case for alot of game communities, is mindblowing honestly. Some people just refuse to listen to any opinion that isn't exactly like theirs, Good thing that you're taking a step back from all this negative energy. At least there are also alot of people still appreciative for all your contributions towards the franchise/community :p

[@xNemesis_]

Ok but the Overwatch situation is not the same at all and even the content creators on OW are also not happy and the situation is totally justifiable

[@pagani3809]

@@xNemesis_ I know it's not the same situation, the OW shizzle that happened is an more extreme example. content creators weren't happy with the developers stuns these past few months ( rightfully so ) but they still got quite some backlash from covering the unfortunate situation. Flats an ex OWL contender has received plenty of backlash talking about his opinions on the PvE cancalation. Enough backlash to voice his responses. Basically some peopel will always just blindly defend a game/series with nothing but negativity regardless of any content creators's comments and how justifiable the critiques may be :/

[@xNemesis_]

@@pagani3809 Flats literally defended a dying OWL when PvE would be the move, tho now he gives some critisism to the situation but you have for exemple Samito who was against what Blizz did. The community been angry is totally justifed when they let their first game dying for something they will never come, even Stylosa that is mocked by the overwatch community sometimes for been a shill was also mad, more overwatch was mad for a long time (since they've give up on OW). Nah for Overwatch i don't get it to defend it tbh. For NFS the problem is simple and has nothing to do with the community nor content creator, it's EA. They killed the studio who made it successful just like Dead space. And guess what was the fix for dead space? A remake, i would not be shocked if NFS is getting a remake, all this problem is EA's fault

[@saltiestcrystal]

I think the issues comes from people that played older nfs games expect the newer nfs games to stomp the classic nfs games in terms of scope, quality, and the modern technology the game developers have compared to the 2000 era. But as anyone can tell the nfs games that have come out recently have received either poor reviews or mixed reviews along with physics that are questionable or will make the game not age well in the long term. What also makes people put older nfs games on a pedestal is due to the fact that older games with older technology, more limitations and pee filter ended up aging better than the newer nfs and that’s borderline sad. What also doesn’t help with physics situation is I see some people defending the current state of physics where there are older racing games that came out with better driving physics than what was put out in heat, payback, unbound and 2015. I see some people even defending saying 2015 has okay or good physics which mind baffling and I’ll say it again older racing had better driving physics than nfs 2015. I think what might be making the issue worse is people keep clinging onto the hope of “one day a good nfs game will come out” well thing I can say how long will those people keep clinging to that hope before they discover they wasted their time in believing. Life is short and nfs games will still be made even if you end up being in a grave. There are other games and hobbies people can and don’t have to worry about is this good or what was the effort being made because the answer will be in front of them

[@fridayokoro2049]

I like watching people fight in the comments of these videos lmao, it's entertaining

[@__Konboi__]

This kind of toxicity is what makes me hate the Black Box games instead of like them...

[@Callmedrain]

Same

[@neo1711]

why are you letting a group of random people online alter YOUR personal opinion

[@TheCapitalWanderer]

​@@neo1711because they speak so loud it hurts to even try to listen, not only that but they would instantly treat you like you're a criminal just for liking a different thing. they joined the community expecting a place where they can share their experience, talk about their fun. they do not want to get antagonized for existing.

[@adknz1131]

Don’t hate the game, hate the players

[@Sbolde21]

I still feel like alot of major gameplay issues weren’t addressed with the update.

[@kam945]

We share same doors lol. EU?

[@nadav92]

The game is GOOD !!!!!!!!!!!!! The Dev team and the game, they don’t deserve all the hate they are getting, this is sad.