I'm no astronomer

[@victorselve8349]

Meanwhile on the Nox homeworld: Hey we just got a primitive communication from some teenagers.

[@ColinRichardson]

The very young to not always do as they are told. NOW, STOP CONTACTING US DURING THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT!

[@Rahhelthethird]

Time to probe some assholes on Earth. Just like Loki used to do!

[@MystoRobot]

No: "Someone just bended one of our wormhole branches super advance/eco-friendly devices... a message is coming soon"

[@gn0015]

Nox: They still use light signal? They don't have Neuralink yet? Newbs!

[@Krzeszny95]

@@gn0015 They're not cyborgs, they're wiser than that.

[@incap6038]

Omoc: *literally describes folding space between two points* Daniel: "Oh yeah, folding space." Omoc: ... No

[@Zeratuhl]

Not necessarily folding space. Just changing the perspective, which could be an illustration of 2d vs 3d space. Or in our case, 3d vs 4d space.

[@bangscutter]

@@Zeratuhl They have technology to phase through walls. So that means they have mastered travelling and communicating through another dimension. At the very least they manipulated in 4D. What seems impossible in 3D is possible in 4D. The common way to illustrate this is the "Flat Land" analogy. Creatures living on a 2D plane would be mind-blown by their interactions with 3D objects.

[@CaptainSnackbar]

writers 1: check this out i'm going to write a clever MacGuffin for this scene writer 2: oh really how? writer 1: subverting expectations

[@samuelfawell9159]

Incap it might not be “folded space” just the closest thing that he could use to explain the technology.

[@jamesbizs]

@@Zeratuhl he literally folded something until the two end points met together...

[@AitorMorgado]

I love how Omok's behavior is always cold to everyone and seems like a very strict guy, but in this scene, he let his guard down for a few moments (and you can see it in his body language) to appreciate the beauty of how Daniel sees everything from his more technologically limited viewpoint, similar as to the kindness of a father to his son being wrong while learning. Also, I think this happened because they were alone and because Omok needs to be seen as a very strong leader to his people.

[@AitorMorgado]

@Peter Flood I get your point, but could you completely understand the viewpoint and perspective of someone on Earth thousands of years ago? Omok is a man of his time and culture, and he would confront the same problem with us.

[@muninrob]

@Peter Flood Or perhaps they already made the mistake of uplifting a war like species once, and didn't like the outcome. One look at an SG team and I sure wouldn't trust us with that kind of advanced tech. The fact that an SG team's weapons are designed to defeat their own body armor would tell an advanced species more about us as a species than is flattering. (Armor is made to defeat the enemy's weapons, weapons to defeat the enemy's armor - and SG team's surface gear proves we still war within our species)

[@jamesbizs]

@@muninrob that’s just a stupid comment. Truly. Designed to defeat their own body armor? Yeah. Because the enemy has the same freaken body armor. What kinda weapons should they design exactly? You really thought you were being clever didn’t you lol

[@muninrob]

@@jamesbizs Ummm yea... it's the same weapons the militaries use, designed to beat earth military body armor. No, Gau ould, Asgard and other race's body armor wasn't the same as SG-1's. (P-90's 5.7mm round was designed to defeat kevlar body armor) If it was designed to capitalize on some weakness specific to gaou ould armor or physiology, it would be equally obvious that we no longer fought anyone other than the gau ould. As for what kind of weapons they should design, I'm fine with us being "A primitive warlike species, who still wage war among themselves" and using off the shelf military tech designed to defeat the only enemies we had ever known - which is other humans & their armor. If someone is armed, they expect there is a chance they'll need to use violence. If someone is wearing armor, they expect there is a chance of being attacked with the type of weapon the armor is made to stop. Here on earth, if you go to a mountain village where everyone packs a shotgun on their shoulder, they probably have dangerous wildlife. If everyone has an AK-47 on his shoulder, they probably have problems with other people. If no-one is armed, there is probably no routine threat to the villagers.

[@fjccommish]

Let his guard down? He had no patience - wouldn't explain.

[@fatman123526]

It kind reads like he's so opposed to giving earth any hint of how their technology works, that he's going to say no even if Daniel is right.

[@jamesbizs]

fatman123526 “oh shit, he’s right. Quick. Deflect, deflect!!! “ “no”.

[@Bayard1503]

That would be cute but I don't think that's what the writers were going for.

[@svyatoslavrurikovich8831]

@@dianapopa3356 It's things like this that make me wish the Tollans survived and were not wiped out by the Goa'uld so the Tau'ri can gloat over how they've become the single most advanced and most powerful group in the galaxy (formerly two galaxies) through the combined technological information from the Asgard database and the Atlantis database.

[@RAFMnBgaming]

@@dianapopa3356 we make our own nuclear button thank you.

[@evanjohnson1299]

I think that Daniel was close enough that it was similar to a simplified answer you would give to a small child but would totally lost if given the full answer. Basically Daniel was in the ZIP code of the ballpark but still wrong.

[@CobbyLouis]

Daniel was definitely ahead of all of humans in this show "No, you wouldn't understand" Daniel doesn't push to be taught at that moment. he just accepts it

[@HrLBolle]

Also him admitting he would not understand it, showed to Omoc that he found somebody in a circle of very few he could truthfully call a friend. It also indicates that Daniel is well learned in matters of humbleness, we see this again at the monastery Kheb

[@chanachon56]

I wonder how differently this scene would play out if heaven forbid, you replace Jackson with Mckay

[@HrLBolle]

@@chanachon56 ouch

[@jamesbizs]

“You wouldn’t understand” “Try me”

[@kirinrex]

Dr. Jackson, I want to play a game ...

[@discombubulate2256]

not sure why these jokes don't get more thumbs up.

[@turbopokey]

"Ooh-ooh! Is it 'nail-a-hoe'?" --Daniel (Y'know, cause Shanks was a bit of a horn-dog, since he nailed his costar from episode1 and got her preggers)

[@jlindsay5038]

Novologic Delta Force Delta Force extreme and all the other Delta forces Johnny 5 oh no it's Nova secret government CIA hacking program

[@mysouthjerseylife]

After Saw they should've had this actor use the phrase "I want to play a game" in every movie he was in after because that's all people will think the second they hear his voice anyway lol

[@AzguardMike]

"Hello Doctor Jackson....I want to play a game" Jackson "Uh sir.....Dial Chulak. NOW!

[@BlackDiamond2718]

Dammit he's locked me out of the controls. DAMMIT WALTER!!!

[@stantondinger5836]

@@BlackDiamond2718 uh no.... it would be way worse than that. you would be trapped at that computer and if you didn't figure out how to free yourself in a a few minutes or less you would die in the most gruesome of ways. His Saw character didn't suffer fools gladly.

[@Egobyte83]

It's too bad Omoc only showed up in one episode. I kind of think his character development, going from being deeply untrusting and suspicious to eventually inevitably coming around in regards to humans, would have made the Tollans more approachable and maybe even more of an integrated species in the show.

[@mr.hostility8970]

Weren't there multiple episodes with the Tollan?

[@christinacody5845]

@@mr.hostility8970 There were several, but the second one they had, Omac had died and they'd been invited to his funeral. The third was when they played a role in a case for the host of Klorel (Skaara) to be free of him. There were a handful of other episodes after that, but the last one destroyed the Tollans.

[@kettch777]

@@christinacody5845 The second one was the one with Skaara/Klorel. Then the one where Jack pretends to get mad and steal Tollan technology to infiltrate the rogue NID, then the one where Omac's funeral is held, where the Tollan betray Earth (Omac was killed by his own government to stop him opposing the deal with the Goa'uld after the Goa'uld figured out how to neutralize the Tollan ion cannons.)

[@Bogdan221192]

There is a fanfic, crossover between X-COM and Stargate, there Tollans makes a great ally after all. Great stuff, i recommend to anyone who likes any of the franchises.

[@seanbraley2772]

Has not cold couse he wants to be or that jts his natural nature his people gave advanced Tec to a people and they used it to destroy themselves and others they never say hkw long ago that was so if hes one of the group who voted to help them hed feel responsible and therefore went distance himself to prevent him from being tempted to do something again

[@philipwhiuk]

"hope the Nox do". Dude the Nox probably could make the tree root itself want to do it.

[@Zamolxes77]

Omac's expression is priceless: "I'm gonna part some of my wisdom with you, primitive"

[@RowenJ420]

Humans aren't that primitive in the stargate lore they are probably 250 years from the same level of technology as the Tolan or sooner. The Tolan are still humans from earth taken thousands of years ago by RA. Well now earth will be the most advanced planet in the galaxy because of the Asgard knowledge

[@Zamolxes77]

@@RowenJ420 I don't contest that, but in opinion of Omac, we are primitive. Sadly he died right before his race was wiped out due to feelings of superiority. "He who forgets how to yield a knife, will be conquered by people with rocks. "

[@karlfranzemperorofmandefil5547]

@@RowenJ420 250 years Is kind of a bad example because Tollans even fore advanced humans have developed extremely quickly because there is no sign of civil strife in their history. Other races we know of (Goa'uld, the wraith, the Asgard ) needed thousands if not tens of thousands of years to progress to the Tollans develop

[@jamesbizs]

@@RowenJ420 250 years? We didn’t have planes 120 years ago. We didn’t even think it was possible. 200 years ago, we didn’t have trains. 50 years after that, people believed trains could cause insanity. 250 years ago, we didn’t even invent America yet! 250 years ago, we had just learned what electricity is. 250 years is a hell of a long time. Imagine going back 250 years and trying to explain a cell phone. Or hell, a telegraph even. To the tollans, we are like the Victorians.

[@jamesbizs]

@@karlfranzemperorofmandefil5547 civil strife? Let’s be honest. Earth advanced as far as it has, due to war. Civil strife has brought about many advances.

[@imperiousimmortal8888]

Wish we got to see more of the nox than just three episodes

[@matthewkreps3352]

Oh we did. They were just invisible for all of them.

[@philswaim392]

"You wouldn't understand" i think is not just saying Daniel is dumb but rather even our science fiction hasnt imagined the mechanics at play in what he just did. Humanity isn't ready to know how it works. I think this was him testing earth to see if theres a possibility we could be ready to learn but we aren't. But he also appreciated Daniel not being arrogant but rather accepting and still trying to help them

[@maloc1824]

Watch enough of theses and you will see the entire series

[@SGtidbits]

Well, I tried to provide some videos which could get a person interested in the show but which don't give everything away. I would recommend people who like these to give watching the show itself a try. However I feel I should add that for season one a bunch of the episodes are really crap whereas other ones are outstanding.

[@BlackDiamond2718]

@@SGtidbits well it is merely starting the show. They did not really develop alot of deep thinking as much more like mere adventuring.

[@stevenwiederholt7000]

@@SGtidbits Much like life.

[@V1NC3R0]

"Space and time and thought aren't the separate things they appear to be."

[@victorselve8349]

if you can see it moving through the air it's probably no laser...

[@SirPetterTheFirst]

well he is not a physicist also

[@victorselve8349]

SirPetterTheFirst touché

[@minuteman2012]

Tachyon particles.....maybe could make air glow the same way neutrinos make water glow....

[@christosvoskresye]

Mostly, it was a SLOW pulse, more like what you see when you send up a skyrocket than when you shine a light (laser or otherwise) into fog (so it is visible).

[@johnlove6206]

Is a light but have same gravity efect travaling in time make a lite like tath and can traval in second.

[@NombreFrancisco]

He wanted to play a game.

[@Stormwave6]

Ima gonna explain how this works in such vague terms that even someone from my own planet wouldn't understand it then claim you wouldn't understand.

[@christosvoskresye]

That's why he never got a job in science education.

[@Rio..o7..]

Im betting Daniel *understood* every damn time but damned if O here was going to admit it

[@shadenox8164]

@@Rio..o7.. Nah, the fact he shared any details at all is huge. If Daniel actually got it there would have been a tell even if he said no.

[@sebaspignataro]

One of my favourite episodes ever ❤ I will never forget the feeling I experimented the first time I watched to this, I was definetely not the same afterwars, it always gave me strength and motivation when studying at university I imagine myself being at SGC trying to understand and collaborate with the teams. Unique & lovely memories. The face Omoc puts at the mountain, once he was sure Daniel was honest and tried to understand as if a boy tried to understand an adult topic with no posibilities at all is remarkable, that father/grandfather face is absoletely terrific, great actor, great story. This scene always makes me shine like a happy infant😊

[@falcon3268]

I would understand why Omoc was unwilling to give anyone anything too advance as they truly weren't ready for it.

[@11141q]

I remember this episode, i loved SG asa kid and this one is still on my mind!!

[@gatovillano7009]

You kinda expect him to say ''Daniel, I want to play a game''

[@IloveJellow]

for people wonder why it wasn't folding space... because it was quantum tunneling.. Other words the beam of light was able to break the light speed barrier and was able to travel at either a warp speed or create a micro wormhole.

[@Johny40Se7en]

Absolutely love how cryptic but still very humble Omok is with Daniel. It's almost like he pointed out the answer but in a symbolic way. I mean, he literally just created a circle to subtly describe a wormhole, or something which the Cheyenne Mountain complex is already using to do a similar thing... 😅🤪

[@lasselundi9699]

And on the Nox homeworld Omok realized he has to teach humans the value of life and came back to become Jigsaw.

[@B1ackWo1f13]

This scene lives rent free in my head.

[@1974neill]

Am I the only one, is the actor that played Omok the same man that played SAW in the horror films with the same name?😮😮😮

[@LENZ5369]

Maybe Omok was just being obtuse -as you create/use wormholes between already folded space (as opposed to folding it yourself). I recall they also said our QFT is wrong, so it could be something legit outside our understanding but Earth/humanity didn't get turned on it's head when they accessed Atlantis DB/tech or inherited everything Asgard; and both were far more advanced than the Tollan.

[@RAFMnBgaming]

Wrong could be wrong, or maybe the variables just need fudging a little.

[@Milamberinx]

To be fair, our QFT is not right. Not to say it's wrong, we just need more information.

[@HrLBolle]

I would not be surprised if Janos, perhaps on behest of ruling counsel of the ancient society, as well as the Asgard set barriers to protect human kind from rushing head first into danger so grave it could end all of creation, while exploring the sheer endless well of knowledge bestowed on them.

[@metalzonemt-2]

"I wanna play a game".

[@therealhiesenberg2731]

Omok - "I want to play a game" Jackson- 😳-

[@fredfolson5355]

I would have loved an episode of SG-1 going back to the Tollan homeworld in the Daedulus or the Apollo on a mission of some sort.

[@HelenLannister]

Or even sooner than that… who knows what sort of technology might have been left lying around, especially given the surface had become uninhabitable… they might not have had the time to do a thorough sweep…

[@fredfolson5355]

@@HelenLannister - I meant their new homeworld where the Nox helped them relocate to.

[@HelenLannister]

@@fredfolson5355 Oh, right! Now you mention it, it’s a wonder that Anubis was never showed to acquire any Tollan technology, despite capturing their world.

[@christinacody8653]

I really wished we'd been treated to an archaeology focused episode with the Odyssey where they go back to Tantalus and did scans of the building remains. It might have given us more info on the Nox and the Furlings.

[@prizegotti]

Looking back, these episodes are difficult to watch again. Every second I was thinking "Don't trust him, it's a trap, I've seen all of his movies".

[@eisenklad]

until the episode where you find out he was murdered, then you ask yourself.. "is he really dead?"

[@BlackDiamond2718]

@@eisenklad He will come for Anubis and prepare a game for him.

[@stargazer7644]

I can't help but see a fish head saying "It's a trap!"

[@MasterMindWC]

I think I understand how that message beacon travels. Folding space would be connecting two points through a wormhole, however in this situation I think it's more like warping space as in compressing it and making it smaller. Think of space as the thing that is moving and not the object. Right now we can only make objects move through space, one day we will figure out how to make space move around and object. The idea is that space moving is by compressing space ahead of the object, fully compressed at the center of the object and then decompressing behind it. Now it is not like the Star Gate or Hyper space. Star Gate uses a worm hole that folds space and hyper space removes the object from space and into sub space or out side of space. Think of subspace as out side of normal space. Subspace is is like the round about in a road and normal space is the little garden thing in the middle. The thing is, normal space is much much smaller then subspace and things that enter it are or made larger or space made smaller. However it helps you to imagine how that works, or say imagine a normal sized car driving around it and a hot wheels or match box toy car driving through it at it's relative speed. Takes the toy car a lot longer to travel because at it's size, 100 MPH is 1 MPH to a regular size car. Sub space isn't actually bigger then regular space, everything in it is though. Similar space compression, however the object is made larger and not space made smaller. I've explained this very poorly and seemingly inaccurate, but for imagination sake for the normal folks, it helps picture it.

[@brucewelty7684]

As the original Spock explains it to the new Scotty.

[@LazlaTheFallen]

or double slit experiment, the distance only seems large as you observe it, when theres no observation theres no space so its instant. Only beginning and end of journey counts time

[@capnkwick4286]

The book titled Starquake has aliens that describe it as "removing the space in front of the vessel and reinserting behind the vessel." So the vessel barely moves so it doesn't need to be superliminal.

[@glacier4286]

The false hope of Daniel actually understanding what they do. "No. =)" Dangit.

[@AlphaCentCom]

Jackson's misunderstanding seemed entirely contrived. Jackson's description matches what Omok did, it's like the script /wanted/ Jackson to fail.

[@christopherg2347]

@AlphaCentCom: Jackson was like a 18th Century guy, trying to understand Quantum Entanglement. When at that age, they did not even knew of Atoms, the things only a few orders of magnitude removed. How could anyone hope to bridge such a knowledge gap? Where would you even start? And yes, I regulary have to deal with such Knowledge gaps. It is par for the course in Tech Support.

[@captainnerd6452]

Christopher G Have you tried turning the Universe off and back on?

[@JnEricsonx]

I did like that small smile he had as Daniel was starting to explain what he thought he knew, like, "well...this one has SOME small idea."

[@ParadoxicalThird]

@@AlphaCentCom This is the problem the entire scene and concept of them as a people. What Daniel described is pretty much exactly what happened, and given we see a lot more into the world of stargate and exactly how weirdass alien science works, it's pretty obviously just some kind of einstein-rosen bridge system. Space and the universe aren't magic and scriptwriters who get all deeply philosophical about how 'muh primitive understanding of alien tech' are up their own ass. We know the basic idea of how a technology like this would operate even if we don't know the specifics. It's also not terribly difficult to grasp. Light go fast, light cannot go faster than speed of light. So light somehow 'skips' ahead to travel far in a very small time period. Unless the series is randomly deciding "actually these guys are more advanced than the asgard" or Ori later, which they sure as fuck aren't, their tech works off of the same wormhole concept prevelent in the entire stargate mythos. It's just so insufferably "you're wrong because the writers want you to be wrong" when the reality is that while not strictly correct, it's close enough to how literally every single technology in their world works that Daniel is close enough. But instead we get a scene with Orlan busting out some great "i'm 14 and this is deep" philosophy hogwash

[@jimbo3356]

what Omoc is describing is transmiting a signal on the quantum spectrum. in the quantum universe, distance does not exist yet at the same time it does. two objects can be thousands of miles apart and be in the exact same place at the same time. by entering and exiting the quantum universe, you can quite literally disapear from one place and re-appear in another instantly. its literally traveling without moving.

[@deadlypandaghost]

Except the same group later describes quantum physics as being entirely wrong.

[@JnEricsonx]

The spice must flow.

[@Not-Ap]

​@deadlypandaghost So do the Ancients and Asgard on occasion when explaining things to Humans. Clearly they have a more complex deeper understanding of this field than we do being far older.

[@Bearmauls]

the Tollan were such trolls, messing with poor Daniel like that :P

[@SimonClarkstone]

Trollan.

[@danieljames9322]

Is that the guy from Saw?

[@suonoblu6650]

In practice, Omoc talks about using extra dimensions in addition to the 4 commonly known ones. If a fifth dimension could be used, then the distance between objects in a four-dimensional space would be greatly reduced.

[@kumikaneit]

If I understand correctly, isn't quantum entanglement like a 4th dimension type connection between objects in a 3 dimensional space?

[@suonoblu6650]

The Tollans had overcome quantum physics. They must have managed to prove string theory or something.

[@tortenschachtel9498]

That's basically what folding space is.

[@suonoblu6650]

Jackson thought the same thing, but Omoc made it clear that it was something else entirely.

[@SaranshTiku1]

My guess is they send it through a different dimension. Something like the Sub-Space through which their ships pass but at a higher plan. Perhaps like that time Atlantis used a wormhole to arrive to Earth early.

[@vcmdpropulsion126]

string theory, oops, not theory anymore, but yah

[@MasterChief-sl9ro]

Particle Physics..As you change the state of a Photon. The other one changes to the exact same state. On the other side of the universe. In an instant. CERN has reproduced it.

[@christosvoskresye]

@@MasterChief-sl9ro Spooky action at a distance does not transmit information.

[@MasterChief-sl9ro]

@@christosvoskresye Anything that turns from 0-1 is information. How the hell you think computers work... All I do is change the state from on to off. Change it from one color to the next...Wallah. I can transmit anything I like.

[@iridium9512]

Reason why entanglement does not transmit information is because you can't collapse particles at will into one polarization/spin or another. They always collapse randomly. So if you could find a way to force them to collapse in specific way you could transmit information.

[@Mumblix]

The branch did not represent only distance, but time. Two points far apart, until they are brought closer together. The message traveled back in time. So it was actually sent a thousand years ago and just arrived now.

[@delta8868]

It's not even a laser, it moves far too slow to be light as well as the fact that he never confirmed what it even was.

[@thischannelwillselfdestruc4977]

He was talking about spooky action at a distance. Quantum effects, the particles activated by the light, influence the particles at the nox homeworld. the two points are not connected - they are the same.

[@stargazer7644]

The problem with that is that those distant particles have to be entangled with your local particles, and to do that they had to at some point been physically close together. Oh, and it is impossible to send information through entangled particles.

[@danielpaulson8838]

Maybe the light beam wasn't holding the actual message but was a visual artifact of communications through quantum entanglement. Spooky action at a Distance. It was instantaneous.

[@c0smoslive391]

Yeah. End from the point of view of the photon time is still, so it reaches the destination instantaneously.

[@fahlur]

I mean eventually they do start understanding on how some of the science in the show works. its just not until way later on when they delved into alot of ancient stuff and help of the Asgard explanations more. Take a hot minute however.

[@Jason-kg4rs]

It's a good thing they had those set lights or else they wouldn't have been able to read the cordinates.

[@skyserf]

If you can’t explain a concept simply then perhaps you don’t understand it in the first place Omoc.

[@shadenox8164]

Nope. While sometimes that is true, I think some people just throw it out to make themselves feel better for not understanding an explanation. If you can't explain a concept simply, perhaps it's just complicated and requires more than a base level of understanding. See simple explanations require a certain assumption of what the person already understands, a simple explanation for a Tollan could literally require advanced physics education by Earth's standards. Also the more you simplify an explanation the more you risk that explanation actually being wrong. There's a reason why science stuff you learn in primary school is often contradicted by college courses.

[@skyserf]

@@shadenox8164 Nope, back at you. Janus, Thor, Carter… they could always find a way to simplify concepts.

[@nikolai6489]

@@skyserf It’s important to note if this situation happened in real life, the majority of humans legitimately wouldn’t understand. Even if they broke it down, since it Would have technology we would have never heard of. In reaitly, some people just can’t understand certain things when their young. You need to relaize that just because someone can’t understand something you aren’t making it simpler, is bullshit sometimes. This right here would be if we went to cavemen with a book and trying to tech them to read. It’s going to take time so they can understand

[@skyserf]

@@nikolai6489 This isn’t happening _here_ it’s happening in the Stargate universe. Daniel Jackson isn’t a slouch either, he speaks and reads multiple languages including the very one Omoc is speaking. Omoc doesn’t need to teach Jackson how to recreate the technology he only needs to explain broad concepts. And humans in general are considered to be the 5th race by the Asgard, as such they aren’t far off from the Tollan in potential. And the words are spelled *reality* and *realize* .

[@nikolai6489]

@@skyserf I don’t speak English I use goggle translate

[@MG6960]

Omac got so fed up with the SGC and Earth he started playing games with them

[@vaniellys]

Daniel was right (well, technically Einstein was right), but obviously Omok didn't want to spoil us any scientific advencement.

[@shadenox8164]

Or you're trying to hard to make the science fiction conform to what you want and Daniel was just wrong. If it was Einstein level stuff they wouldn't exactly be calling us primitive now would they?

[@gamerboiiiiiii]

Bro litterally described folding space ☠️​@@shadenox8164

[@Wild_Bill57]

He’s probably lying/not lying technically. Simply put he’s bending spacetime, not space itself. He just doesn’t want to tell anyone that we’re on the right track even if he knows we are.

[@TheGreatGooglyMoogly430]

Maybe it's a miniature stargate used for long range communications? That would explain why he needed the coordinates of the Nox homeworld.

[@tortenschachtel9498]

He's going to need the coordinates anyway, unless he wants to broadcast to literally everyone in the Milky Way.

[@shadenox8164]

I'm seeing a lot of people trotting out the "If you can't explain something simply, you must not understand it" thing and the reality is that's not really true. The simpler an explanation you give the more information you have to leave out, that information has to be already known by the person receiving it. Once you get to a certain point, a simple explantion is no longer possible and you have to move backwards and teach something they're missing instead. Another person likened it to taking an advanced particle physics course and the teacher just telling the students they wouldn't understand, but that's not really true. It'd be like showing up to an advanced particle physics course with only a primary school level science education. At that point there is no way to explain advanced particle physics to you because you don't even know what a particle is, and sure you can teach that instead but now its not advanced particle physics, its probably not even regular particle physics. When he says Daniel wouldn't understand he means he would literally have to teach him the basics he doesn't have and keep in mind its very possible Carter doesn't even have these basics. The reality is some things are just complicated.

[@MinkieWinkle]

Started off making light shows in the sky. to becoming a mad engineer that wanted to test people. "Do you want to play a game" Man, no wonder he turned into Jigsaw, the way he was treated back on his home planet. :D

[@24juan68]

Even though the knocks were more advanced, Their humility is something to behold

[@Thescott16]

It's spelled "Nox". And yea, the Nox were very humble.

[@S31Syntax]

I wonder if its like a wacky interstellar space magic dolly zoom effect, where from the "perspective" of the device the distance from it to the intended recipient has shrunk, so that the signal from that point literally has a shorter distance to travel...

[@garwynrosser8907]

Hmm... 4D concept from Carl Segan. Looking at space from a 4th dimension. Jackson saw a beam of light, but he could not comprehend what he was seeing. I think he asked for the coordinates not because he was sending something to a location, but manipulating something that was already there.

[@tonybonavera2011]

He's a bad teacher lol

[@shadenox8164]

Eh, he doesn't really have the time to walk him all the way through Tollan kindergarten to Tollan high school even if he wanted to.

[@Linkolnverse]

0:45 Look at where that energy is coming from.

[@inachu]

Gravity time lensing. Not folding space at all. Once it reaches the outer most part of our galaxy then lensing takes place thus creating a galactic bright lens that can be picked up on many wavelengths since it was more than just a laser.

[@kravor5341]

Sam would have understood, but Omok liked Daniel because of his honesty and lack of interest over the technology. Daniel cared about him and the Tolen people, which set in Omok's mind that he was someone who could be trusted to do the right thing.Daniel in these moments showcased the best parts of humanity which definately played a part in the positive relationship with the Tolen people later on. It's just a shame Stargate writers decided to destory the civilisation.

[@shadenox8164]

Still going to say, having them be destroyed by Anubis was a good way to set the threat level by using a group we cared about. The fact people are still upset by it shows it was a good choice. But yeah while Carter would also care about the Tollan, she can't turn off the scientist part of her brain that's curious about everything they do and how it works which the Tollan are wary of.

[@Sha-wo4ep]

Light exists at every point on its path through all time.

[@martinw1327]

It was nice to see scenes like this where Daniel looked like the less intelligent person. To many times Jack got the hit for that

[@christinacody5845]

I always got the feeling that Daniel always understood that there were times he wasn't the "smartest in the room." I do think Daniel was always prepared to be wrong, though (something a soft science like archaeology/anthropology teaches them to have). Recognizing biases allows a person to step back from them to understand that different perspective.

[@john90392]

I always liked the Tollan. Though I didn't understand why the SGC never attempted to strengthen the relationship with any advanced human cultures by pointing out the shared origin.

[@shadenox8164]

Tollan are probably well aware of it, doesn't change why they're so difficult about sharing information.

[@wakkywabbit5446]

Thanks

[@theshadedshadow5993]

Humans gauge time from the Gregorian Calendar. They probably calculate time differently. Time is relative, perspective.

[@SlicerJen]

He's not talking about folding space. He is talking dimensional phasing. He demonstrated it by walking through the wall.

[@RowenJ420]

I believe his is actually referring to an Einstein-Rosen bridge since that's how a scientist would demonstrate their function

[@Kryptomromine]

Quantum tunneling possibly.

[@8thsinner]

It's probably the smartest scene in the whole of stargate actually. It is designed to look like it is talking about an einstein rosen bridge. But it's got nothing to do with that. What he is saying is not related to the action of his movements. What he is saying is that you must make both things (that only appear to be separated) the same. This is already a very well known and yet completely misunderstood science. Tesla knew it, most modern scientists have no fucking clue, which is funny because they actually do understand it. What Omok is talking about is resonance. If you are looking to get somewhere else, you need to make the vibration of your destination place, the same as the vibration of the place you are travelling from. You don't need to bend space time, you simply need to be the same as where you want to be.

[@8thsinner]

​@@Kryptomromine It's kinda related to the results of tunneling as measured. It's all about resonance.

[@jamesbizs]

@@8thsinner LOL ok Einstein

[@mopar_dude9227]

Funny how the Tollan (especially Omoc) were very arrogant and treated lesser civilizations as being more like monkeys than man, but will now be far lesser developed than the Nox. Fortunately for them, the Nox are not condescending like they are, they just treat lesser developed civilizations as children who haven’t yet grown up. I don’t really care for a reboot, or new SG serious, but a series about the Nox would be interesting.

[@shadenox8164]

To be fair the Tollan are strict and act this way because they once destroyed a civilisation by sharing freely. It's understandable how a cultural trauma like that can result in a complete over correction. Though it doesn't make the attitude itself less infuriating, the thing is the Tollan genuinely believe if they interact with a people of low enough technology too much it will happen again.

[@robinchwan]

probably a warp bubble. it minimizes the space in front and expand it again in the back thus giving it drift without moving ( it's actually moving space ) just a small version without any ship to fly with but with pure energy pulse that creates it's own bubble as it travels

[@dabartos4713]

lol.

[@fr9714]

Daniel c'mon man - you discovered how the Stargate works for humans. It doesn't take thousands of years through the wormhole. Also, later on it became clear after Daedalus etc. made quick 2 week trips to Pegasus Galaxy from Milky Way. We know the answer - subspace. Omoc sent a subspace communique to the Nox. Reached in a day or two since it's the same galaxy and not Pegasus Galaxy and Nox responded. Omoc was correct here - there's no folding of space. Merely these two points are very close in subspace. That tree folding was meant to show Daniel that the comms are via subspace making the message reach very fast. It probably opens a small hyperspace window

[@Ragitsu]

Awesomespace.

[@icicle_ai]

To be fair the way he showed it to Daniel was literally folding the tree branch, which to daniel was folding space (and looks like folding space to me as well) instead of slipping into subspace. I'd say the easiest way to visualize subspace is say.. Minecraft and the nether. But of course thats not an option for them. Theres also the rationalizing of it as Omoc fucking with him by showing him what seemed to be folding space, and then saying no to Daniel whether he got it right or wrong because Omoc doesn't want to share anything

[@FelanLP]

This is actually a prety good visualisation of how little we know about science and stuff. We don't use math because it explains physics so well. We use it because we have no other way to explain it.

[@theonedad7071]

They solved Quantum Entanglement Communication

[@Audienc4u]

We have a Stargate we've been studying and we have a general idea of the principles it works on.. but if we see faster than light messaging tech we're going to ignore the principles the Stargate works on so it looks like we haven't got a clue.

[@nikolai6489]

I looked up on goggle and I think what it was is teleporting it, since it would be faster to teleport it than for it to go faster than light. It could teleport once it reaches the atmosphere or something

[@MrMoorkey]

Omok - **places doodad on the ground** Jackson - "What's that?" Omok - "I want to play a little game with you..."

[@MasterChief4U]

It's Photons.. As you can change the state of one photon on this side of the Universe. It's pair will change to the same state in an instant on the other side of the Universe. Called Spooky Physics at a Distance..

[@Blueboy0316]

Game over, Dr.Jackson...

[@Prodzick]

"So is it folding time ?" Daniel ask again

[@SardonicALLY]

''The coordinates?'' ... puts it one the ground and presses one button. He had them on speed dial the whole time! But seriously, maybe it is updated by a neural interlink chip in his head or something!

[@omnicromprime]

suggests that time and space is a repetitive closed loop just turn it over and it will arrive before being sent

[@planetarydisaster3377]

Perhaps it isn't folding space but using an upper dimension where all points/particles are already connected naturally. The 2 end points may already be connected just humans can't see it because we are limited to 4 dimension space.

[@lecturesfromleeds614]

The device emitted electromagnetic radiation, the best it can do is 3x10^8 ms. At that rate it would take around 4 and a half years just to get to our next nearest star

[@shadenox8164]

So obviously it wasn't that.

[@MM-qz3eh]

Daniel run he is about to play a game

[@MightySheep]

If hes so smart why did he even bother making such a dumb explanation lol

[@shadenox8164]

Because its very difficult to make a simple explanation that's also correct.

[@TonkarzOfSolSystem]

Nobody in this comment section gets this scene. The point is that whatever technology he is describing is more advanced than anything modern "primitive" humans can conceive.

[@icicle_ai]

Alternatively he's fucking with daniel for shits and giggles

[@salemas5]

hmm. maybe he wanted to demonstrate quantum entanglement in this way. Not folding space...

[@TheLongjohntim]

It's an interdenominational communication device. It communicates through time and space. Think of it as 4-D not 3-D.

[@jonadrian3346]

Transmits and Receives directly to environments and locations on habitations planes that match its beyond human precision density and frequency settings, living aether does the rest. In the SPIRIT OF ✨️ transcending our meager constructs. GODSPEED

[@Ladco77]

The shortest distance between two points is not a straight line if space-time is curved.

[@ShannonSmith4u2]

Lol, exactly, he understood, he just didn't want be quoted from the movie Dune. Too bad

[@Graymenn]

No.

[@brucejenner4800]

Damn I'd love to have those wrist devices to get ya into a room. Pixie Lott, comin' atcha!

[@Domihork]

How lucky that the Nox world happens to be in that part of our sky that is visible from USA at that time of year and day.

[@shadenox8164]

I mean just because it went straight up doesn't mean it was pointed at it, they're connecting two points why would line of sight be an issue?

[@ThatRandomChannelTRC]

Nox Folds branch. Daniel ahhh fold space Nox "no.." Ancients - 'LOL'

[@rotimika]

He basically sent a message through sub space with energy particles nice

[@STONECOLDET944]

The demeaner of someone fed up with people's dumb sh*t

[@crackwitz]

That beam doesn't even move at light speed...

[@RylanStorm]

Asks for the coordinates, doesn't look at the notes, presses a single button on the device, doesn't add a message, communicates with another world.

[@shadenox8164]

I mean he could have programmed the message ahead of time.

[@RylanStorm]

@@shadenox8164 He couldn't have done. Daniel hands him the coordinates and he sits down and presses one button..

[@BizzyX78]

----- @Rylan Storm ----- - There is something connected to this clip, which is not shown here, that is very important to the context. Their tech can record non-verbal information. He could simply read the note, not aloud, mind you, sit down and press the button. Hey Presto... -----

[@Ragitsu]

@@BizzyX78 Correct.

[@runforrestrun1965]

Stargate was awesome when they had storylines on fighting advanced aliens, but badly went off script when they went down the spiritual beings route. Bring back new SG with new deadly aliens.

[@Ragitsu]

Are you fine with the Ancients/Alterans pre-introduction of "ascension"?

[@ЖанибекБалташев]

Do you want play the game?

[@kylegray4303]

Takes as long as he says to get there and they jump back in time

[@Castlecoke]

Sub space. Another dimension. 😏

[@Zoras88]

He must've liked playing his game with Jackson

[@Daehawk]

Yes he was!

[@CZpersi]

I liked one of the later episode, which managed to show this civilization in its true color. Turns out that even the Tollans were "too young", but way too overconfident.