I'm NOT A Fan Of Karate Style Lead Leg Roundhouse Kick (Better Alternatives)

[@mamochhamlhaml9480]

I find both hilarious and uncanning how when I need a video about something KZbin delivers almost right away. Great video!

[@manjitheerratic5127]

Same experience but what I want is more specific, a lead leg low kick. However, this is fine as I can improvise

[@HughJass_736]

for lead leg you can do smth coach firas zahabi explains as the "chip kick" u can find it just search it up on KZbin its really good

[@OliverOils]

​@@manjitheerratic5127 which leg is it targeting tho? there's also open stance situations that makes it complicated

[@manjitheerratic5127]

@@OliverOils that will be depend a lot based on your and your opponent stance ( bladed, square, orthodox or southpaw ) , plus each person footwork level

[@lordnutman]

y’all goofy, go spar.. figure it out😂

[@Silv1]

I won a lot of full contact fights thanks to this particular kick! Hands down my most effective technique. It may not be as powerful as a rear leg round kick or a spinning back kick, but it's way faster, strikes like a whip, and can be used from short range.

[@AroundElvesWatchUrselves96]

[GSP laughs in the distance]

[@codycushman2738]

I’m a karate fanboy, but i gotta agree. It can be quick and sneaky to the head, but it doesn’t thump hard enough to punish the body. I guess it might be okay sometimes if you’re willing to risk using the ball of the foot (tougher to aim, easy to hurt yourself).

[@R2Rj204]

As a big fan of sneaking this kick, this is bang on. Sometimes I throw and chamber it high for the side teep too. Get some range use from it

[@npsavat6799]

I train with shoes on, so the Lead Point Kick is a luxury that sport fighters don't normally like to practice..

[@siegfriedc2332]

Same. I think it works ok to the inside of the leg too though. Much quicker than a switch kick. Just depends if u want a quick strike or a powerful one really.

[@BlackHistoryReview]

I appreciate the way your promote your preferred techniques without acting like instructors who prefer others are idiots. The humility of a true professional.

[@Sacciuiguai]

I find quite useful the lead leg roundhouse from a standing position but leaning back as soon your opponent moves in

[@Idkchangethislater]

Yeah it’s the best defensive strike

[@remimercier6882]

I fond it useful because you can throw hook kicks and side kicks to the leg/body/head with the same setup, and it can also be used to disguise a spinning backfist pretty well

[@Docinaplane]

I learned to do a front leg roundhouse or flip kick as we called it back in the day. We used weapon first technique, with much more hip action than you show as well as a slide on the standing leg if you need a little more distance. Our primary target was the groin which was (as hard as it is to believe) a legal target in open tournaments. Regardless, it's a great, very fast self-defense technique IMO. Your last technique is the closest, but we had the foot and lower leg moving before raising the knee and twisting the hip.

[@moreparrotsmoredereks2275]

I do really like tonuse this kick, but my goal with it is not to do damage. I use it as a jab, to cover distance and set up other strikes, especially a cross. Its like a jab to the body: not a particularly damaging strike, but I can do enough damage to get the person to react to it.

[@matheuscerqueira7952]

I use the savate fouetté, so even if I don't put much power the point is to aim the liver and I can always rechamber into a sidekick

[@wlphantom]

Bill Superfoot Wallace enters the chat.

[@alex.l5732]

He is great for full contact but I don't think it would have been effective in kickboxing (japanese rules) or Muay Thai. Still the best in his style , but would have required heavy adaptation . Wonderboy Thompson right now is the best for this in UFC but is getting old.

[@luisviibuot9721]

@@alex.l5732 brother, MVP is taking on that mantle.

[@alex.l5732]

@@luisviibuot9721 I like him but doesnt use as much kicks especially this type of kicks in MMA . He has great kicks but wonderboy is closer to that .

[@manjitheerratic5127]

MVP is more Taekwondo-like he throw more roundhouse and spinning kicks, Steve uses more linear Karate side kicks as single technique and his combos set-up

[@alex.l5732]

@@manjitheerratic5127 American style karate mix many different stuff they learned in Asia or from asian immigration so element of Chinese, Korean and Japanese stuff together . Spinning stuff is not something japanese did . (Karate nerd has nice video in that)

[@phugia963]

You can just lift your front leg, pivot your back leg's heel, aim the kick to the head, then kick. That's it, no switching, no sliding and yet still full of power. If you're unclear, have a look at WonderBoy channel, he explained how that'd work.

[@rikardnorlen752]

Sure agree! Would like to add that the last one, that need most training to master, you need the "thai" stans with your hip against you opponent to be able to "lock" your hip and get power in it. If you like to skip your front leg i like to minimize the skip to not telegraph the kick.

[@elserpientethechamp2122]

I found this video really useful because I use the karate style lead leg roundhouse kick a lot and found the alternative works even better and I will be sure to test and try the alternative that you mentioned Gabriel out and let you know how it works for me, but overall an amazing video just amazing keep up the great work as always!

[@dariusjavidan5609]

Great points as always. There is however an easy way to add a ton of power to the slide up front kick. With just a small adjustment of hips and little bit of rotation. Almost no loss of speed but massive power increase. It’s been my second favourite kick for over 30yrs now :) And still flies up quick despite passage of time hehe

[@aaronamour6101]

I fully agree with everything you are saying in this video but I'd say that the Karate Style lead leg kick can be incredibly useful to stop aggressive boxers from coming in. It's so easy and quick to catch someone in the head with when they throw aggressive boxing combos whilst moving in on you. It also makes people super cautious about you lifting that leg so it makes that fake work much better than it would otherwise.

[@willowelizabethryder4141]

I teach all 4! They certainly all have their place, and I agree with you on all your points 🎉

[@LuisHernandez-sc7ho]

Another great video from Gabriel. Thanks!

[@timothychang4166]

Wonderboy uses the lead leg roundhouse to finish his combos and that is quite effective. He also uses it as a probing attack. To be fair he doesn't "slide" as much as he does the "popping" up alternative.

[@timothychang4166]

I wrote this comment and didn't even realize he used WB as the video thumbnail photo 😂🤦‍♂️

[@TheNEOverse]

Yep, and Varga actually thinks its a good technique and alternative to the slide up.

[@unmessable12]

I find it pretty useful to the leg as a way to cover distance and interrupt the opponents rhythm, it’s also pretty good to set up something more substantial by opening a combo with it or by showing it and then feinting with it. Even if someone doesn’t respect it most people will still address it in some way. Throwing it naked doesn’t do too much though I agree.

[@victoryang1843]

A variant i've seen is the triangle kick where you stab the ball of the foot/the toes into the opponenets body. The most famous example i can think of is Masaaki Noiri finishing Rukiya Anpo with it. There is also a video on Hideaki Yamazaki's channel where Noiri talks about setting it up with a left hook to the head to expose the body.

[@Gzussss]

One of the rare time i disagree with you. But I also train all three alternatives. On the step, I add a rotation of the hips. Well executed it has lots of power. Like you said, this one covers long distances. I use all these versions depending on distance and the reactions of sparring partner. Great breakdown of the lead roundhouse in general

[@groovydeadguy1912]

You should do a video on charlie zelenoff, he fought deontay wilder and floyd mayweather sr, he inspired me to begin training he may be the greatest boxer of all time

[@DKRYMMA]

Fr Charlie Z is a fixture in the community

[@Lukedaniel805]

I agree we need this video

[@Leadfoot_P71]

The undefeated undisputed GOAT!

[@joeconti3599]

Charlie is literally the goat and I can't believe we aren't studying his unorthodox techniques....I mean he's undefeated! 137-0!!!

[@Lukedaniel805]

@@joeconti3599 I even seen sources saying he might actually have over 200 wins including inside and outside the ring, truly a living legend

[@MrDrizzyy]

Could you do a video on things that make Sean Strickland and Bazooka Joe so good please? Love the content Gabriel!!

[@murphylhunn]

They punch and kick the other guy more often Lolol sorry i had to

[@Vinnay94]

Very simple, all you need to do is commit your hips into the kick and follow through. Snap Kicks are for Point Fighting (which has it's place). Practice on the bag, don't reject it just because it looks weak. You can definitely get power from a shorter windup, look at Boxers generating KO/TKOs with Hooks to the Face or Body.

[@connorfrye8391]

Great instructional gabe! Although in regards to the lead leg kicks and specifically the karate style is mostly used after it’s been setup with other lead leg techniques. For example wonderboy has a system where he uses the side kicks, lead leg kicks/body kicks, hook kicks and crescent kicks in order to set it up but once again always great info and experience!

[@2gpowell]

Thanks for the lesson. Great video !

[@matteodussi7337]

the 3rd way is exactly how we practice it in Savate. It can be mixed with punches and is quick and powerful enough (bear in mind we wear shoes)

[@waterlegend72]

Need to be able to do all 4 imo

[@outerlast]

gabriel, how about slide up with other kicks, like front kick, calf kick, or even knee?

[@eliotquintana9802]

Like techniques thai boxing stance strong

[@mesa577]

to get power on the slide up, make it short and dont go straight forward move to where the kick will land.

[@shanebodnar9861]

The strongest kick you can throw in a bladed or point style stance is a spinning back kick, with the spinning hook kick right behind it

[@delbertsmith5865]

I love this guy. So helpful

[@npsavat6799]

another alternative: have a squared stance, and not too much bladed. it gives you more wind up distance = more power.

[@shanebodnar9861]

Yeah the square Muay Thai stance has the most versatile and unpredictable kicks and knees imo too. With your feet being so close together and your stance so upright, both legs can be used to attack and faint with even efficiency

[@npsavat6799]

@@shanebodnar9861 I just don''t get why most MMA fighters almost never throw Elbows and Knees? or they have huge success with the Calf Kick in round 1, but almost never throw it again after that. Weird Stuff..

[@shanebodnar9861]

@@npsavat6799 they are used mostly in clinch situations. Knees are able to be exploited with takedowns, and with elbows in the stand up my guess why it’s rare is bc the range you fight at in mma is much longer than it is in Muay Thai and there’s a bigger emphasis on footwork, basically there’s not a lot of opportunities to land them

[@JohnnyLynnLee]

Dismissing this kick because it doesn't have a lot of power is almost like dismissing the jab for the same reason. all alternatives are good and they AREN'T at all that different. You can even step BACK and kick if you switch stances. Al has different purposes and work at different distances. It's kinda like when Gabriel was so amazed by the fact you can manage to get a roundhouse kick in the punching range by hitting with the upper part of your shin, close to the knew, kind of a halfway thought a knee and a kick. Gabriel thinks too much in BOXES. Funny thing is that he thinks in a completely different form when he talks about HOOKS. He is a great fighter. But if he could take the mentality he already has when it comes to hooks to other techniques he would literally be freed to be WAY better. “Before I learned the art, a punch was just a punch, and a kick, just a kick. After I learned the art, a punch was no longer a punch, a kick, no longer a kick. Now that I understand the art, a punch is just a punch and a kick is just a kick.” ?(Bruce Lee) “I mean, I do not believe that there is such a thing as the Chinese way of fighting or the Japanese way of fighting because unless human beings have three arms and four legs. We will have a different form of fighting. But basically, we have only two hands and two feet.” (Bruce Lee) Those kicks are ALL THE SAME, with minor adjustments.

[@JohnnyBit]

I was about to protest since lead leg roundkick is my go-to technique, but then I must agree with you: the slide up is the worst one and I actually also don't respect it at all. The last "tip" is what I actually use.

[@ascension1199]

what about to inside knee?

[@ShoahBiz]

Great video.

[@maranat045]

Everytime you throw a kick before you warm up your leg makes a crack sound and it makes me nervous. It happens everytime you kick

[@frogman4700]

could you please make an episode on how to not telegraph different kinds of kicks

[@PingTPunk-rq9us]

I was always wondered why the sliding/pendulum front round kicks always feel like the lack power when compared to just a standing in place front round kick. I wonder if there is a certain way to get the hips more loaded for more power or maybe have more of a penetrative drive. Sanda or Savate probably has an answer.

[@juanmoralesvideo]

I'm new in Muay Thai. The standard Muay Thai switch then left leg roundhouse don't work for me because I telegraph it so badly. I found "by accident" the 'step with the right foot then left roundhouse' while chasing my partner. It works a little better. (Excuse my bad English).

[@hectorcervantes2558]

Bas rutten does it best he pre pivots the rear leg and then launch's with mad power

[@stephenzavatski8016]

I think if you drive up through the balls of your feet, bring up your knee, and whip your leg hard while rotating on the ball of your rear foot and turning your hips into it, you can generate a fair amount of power with this kick. Nice to see alternatives though.

[@Giorgi_Shalamberidze]

is taekwondo background good to start kickboxing?

[@bravocrown5354]

Kickboxing is a martial art created through collaboration between Japanese karate masters and a Taekwondo master 구판홍 who practiced mixed martial arts in 1968, called “king tu gi”. If one trains in Taekwondo up to the black belt level and then practices boxing for several years, they will be able to confidently face most opponents in striking competitions.

[@TheNEOverse]

Better than nothing, but if you can just go into kickboxing instead you should.

[@Vinnay94]

Pretty sure you can get more power simply by following through instead of snapping back. The only reason Karate guys snap back is for Point Fighting. Sensei Seth's Lead Leg Roundhouse is very powerful and you were in one of his videos with Icy Mike where they debate Pendulum Step vs Slide. Switch Kicks are definitely effective, but they still telegraph. A regular Rear Leg Roundhouse kick is more effective because it's faster, more powerful and very easy to learn. Remember, Lead Leg kicks are more of a Jab especially the Side Kick but can still be trained to be Powerful to stun or potentially KO

[@_justNari]

Off topic but which Muay Thai gym in Phuket do you recommend

[@blink2665]

My background was 8n karate and one of few kicks i loke (and had sucess with ) was question mark kick Got 2 KOs with it.

[@nvanguy6868]

To me a kick that works is the best kick. Certain fighters have the body and mechanics to pull these kicks off. Look at glaube feitosa he ko’d tons of fighters w this kick

[@nicholasnj3778]

I agree nothing with the feet, when I was young, (80s /90s) I could just lift my lead lead right from my stance (no sliding, no stepping , no nothing) and land it too the head … I used the step up for front kicks and side kicks to close distance on a moving opponent

[@deonsdailyaccount136]

wonderboy!

[@derekvandenburg6689]

No power, superfoot enters the chat. You are really missing the one big advantage of the slide up roundhouse, the knee position is the same as the sidekick and hook kick. Any of the 3 can be thrown with the same extension of the leg. This gives the option of landing the kick where the opening presents itself and it givea the advantage of creating openings. That has always been a pretty big advantage of the lead leg kicks. It also has the advantage of throwing multiple kicks off the same leg. Real effective on people that are not used to double kicks.

[@WadeSmith-oe5xd]

I'm not a fan of it either. I prefer front snap kick or side teep. "The shortest distance between two points is a straight line."

[@JohnnyLynnLee]

Dismissing this kick because it doesn't have a lot of power is almost like dismissing the jab for the same reason. all alternatives are good and they AREN'T at all that different. You can even step BACK and kick if you switch stances. Al has different purposes and work at different distances. It's kinda like when Gabriel was so amazed by the fact you can manage to get a roundhouse kick in the punching range by hitting with the upper part of your shin, close to the knew, kind of a halfway thought a knee and a kick. Gabriel thinks too much in BOXES. Funny thing is that he thinks in a completely different form when he talks about HOOKS. He is a great fighter. But if he could take the mentality he already has when it comes to hooks to other techniques he would literally be freed to be WAY better. “Before I learned the art, a punch was just a punch, and a kick, just a kick. After I learned the art, a punch was no longer a punch, a kick, no longer a kick. Now that I understand the art, a punch is just a punch and a kick is just a kick.” ?(Bruce Lee) “I mean, I do not believe that there is such a thing as the Chinese way of fighting or the Japanese way of fighting because unless human beings have three arms and four legs. We will have a different form of fighting. But basically, we have only two hands and two feet.” (Bruce Lee) Those kicks are ALL THE SAME, with minor adjustments.

[@WiseWarriorsMMA]

That is not how you do the kick. Your missing a key component I could explain if anyone cares.

[@Vinnay94]

I agree, Sensei Seth and Icy Mike literally made a video on it at RKM gym with Gabriel and other KZbinrs in the room only for Gabriel to come in at the end say the Switch Kick is better.

[@Toxicgamerdog]

Man, you wrote that comment like a teenage girl 😂

[@komerczka]

Why do you guys call it roundhouse kick btw? First time I heard this was as a kid was in the times of Chuck Norris kicking everybodys ass and I thought he really spins areound the whole house... is not this just callled mavashi geri?

[@Vinnay94]

Yes, Mawashi Geri is Japanese for Roundhouse Kick although the translation is Round Kick I think.

[@southofthering]

Ur a little off imo u can like step chamber and push off back foot it's pretty good