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[@James-nr2hi]

Basically, the situation with conquest is that over time stories and myths change and the same goes for this. Over the centuries Conquest was replaced by Pestilence and in the story of Good Omens Pestilence has been replaced by pollution.

[@WeeLassReacts]

That makes SO much sense!!! Thanks!!

[@Linwhiteheart]

Finally, someone explained it! Thank you

[@mikhar]

Someone probably finally realized that war, death and conquest all kinda overlap each other…

[@Olochgu]

@@mikhar well they're supposed to the desire of conquest leads to war, war leads to famine and famine leads to death

[@willw6504]

A related explanation: the bible is very badly translated. You know those videos where you take a song and put it through google translate six times and then sing the result? That is the historic process that the english translation of the bible has gone through, but with the translations done by hand over centuries. As such, there are a LOT of different translations of the horsemen based on different translations of the bible from various sources. See also: the word for "young woman" translated into "maiden" is the origin of "Immaculate Conception" - older versions of the bible say nothing about her being a virgin, just a young woman. A mistranslation created that entire concept whole cloth.

[@Alchera201]

To be fair, the relationship between Newt and Anathema was exactly as rushed and ass-backwards in the source material. It's a whole thing about Anathema defining all of her life and choices by the prophecies and following them to a T without having her own agency because that's what she was taught her entire life. Prophecy says you bone this guy = you bone this guy, no questions asked. Her character development is centered around overcoming that shit.

[@theprideling]

But she doesn’t 😂

[@ima-human9593]

@@thepridelingin the book

[@DontDrinkTheLuminol]

Agnus Nutter was like, UGH this girl takes everything way too seriously and is ONLY ever gonna get some a$$ if I literally tell her to stop and shag someone when the world’s about to end, but hey, at least I can see she’ll do whatever I tell her to, so… Hey, Anathema! Make a baby, we can’t end our line! *facepalm*

[@browniewolf5018]

And the show wanted to follow the book as close as possible, which I feel is fair due to Terry not being around to help with the plot.

[@Umbri3]

What bothers me the most is when people are angry about these kinds of things happening, then instead of ranting to the writers, they'll take it out on the characters. Like, 'oh Anathema is great and then there's... some dude.' You can't really blame Newt for this, he's only doing what's been written for him. He's a normal guy and he helped save the world, cut him some slack 😂

[@SatChiibz]

I'm pretty sure Newt/Anathema is actually poking fun/parodying EXACTLY the fact that a man and woman HAVE to get together in like Every Show To Exist Ever. It's done via prophesy that they just blindly follow cuz, that's what you do. There's no real reason to it other than that (like the trope itself). Also knowing Pratchett it seems exactly like the sort of thing he'd do to make fun of the trope.

[@DontDrinkTheLuminol]

Rationale for the straight sex scene: Newt was too freaked out in the moment to ASK Anathema how many nipples she has, so he just settled for checking for himself.

[@AlphaWolf0215]

Today is David Tennant's birthday! So happy birthday to him❤🎂

[@WeeLassReacts]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY LEGEND!!

[@hoopa6477]

O7

[@najhoant]

In the book, it’s mentioned that Pestilence gave up when penicillin was invented, and that’s why Pollution is here instead

[@SteveMND]

Ironically, if he'd just stuck it out for a few more decades, he could have waited for Covid in 2020 (and the anti-vax movement to gain another foothold) and been right as rain once more.

[@Envy_May]

i'm pretty sure that's mentioned in the narration here too

[@SebastianWeinberg]

There's also the bit where one of them says something like "Oh, if Pestilence had just hung on a little longer, he'd be _amazed_ at what's going on in the field of diseases, these days!" At the time, it was a veiled reference to the AIDS epidemic, but it certainly is a bit of an evergreen, what with pandemics and the increasing ineffectiveness of antibiotics.

[@HuntingViolets]

I like how Crowley acts as if his nightlife consists of anything more than going to dinner with Aziraphale or sleeping or watching TV.

[@DontDrinkTheLuminol]

Well we did see him "dancing" this ep. I bet he invented disco AND the selfie. XD

[@HuntingViolets]

@@DontDrinkTheLuminol Oh, I'm sure. I just don't think he keeps up with it. I'm pretty sure Aziraphale isn't going out to "discreet gentlemen's clubs" these days either.

[@DontDrinkTheLuminol]

@@HuntingViolets If we ever see Az and Crowley dance TOGETHER, I'll lose my mind. Aziraphale will be doing the garat and Crowley will be... IDK, on a stripper pole? XD

[@TenCapQuesada]

​@@DontDrinkTheLuminol Weeelll.... consider the cotillion ball in the bookshop, second series. No spoilers, of course!

[@LuzOhCramity]

wait until Crowleys plants start a rebellion and rise up against humanity

[@WeeLassReacts]

This better fucking happen LOL

[@alexkoder1982]

Can't blame them. Crowley scared them one too many times.

[@DontDrinkTheLuminol]

@@alexkoder1982 THIS!! YES!! Everyone forgets that face he made at the paintball place after he got shot. That was absolutely the last straw.

[@StAaaarMaN]

Can't wait to see Mosco react to the bit where Crowley commands an army of ducks to fight God. Iconic

[@DontDrinkTheLuminol]

That get complicated in S2, though, when the ducks that were eating bread at the pond only listen to Aziraphale! My theory is they were mad Crowley didn't realize they had ears until he really thought about it. Can't wait for S3 to see if I'm right!

[@wishpaw2201]

Maybe the real four horsemen are the friends we made along the way

[@DontDrinkTheLuminol]

Not in the book!!! XD

[@jumpingspiderjesusfreak6219]

The thing with the Anathema and Newt thing is that it is reconciling the enmity between their families. They also could have done that by having Newt and Anathema just being friends, but this way it’s the ultimate F U to Newt’s witchfinder ancestor.

[@cawareyoudoin7379]

Also it was in the book, and they tried to keep to the book. Edit: and the book was written in 1990. Not an excuse, just an explanation.

[@WeeLassReacts]

Could have been friends, could have been a slow burn enemies to lovers and been super cute, a billion other ways they could have done it. I hated how they did it here.

[@petearundel166]

@@WeeLassReacts It's a bit more complex in the book - Anathema knows that Agnes predicted it and, as a professional descendant, she wasn't going to go against the book. It's also a mechanism to make a joke about the helpful comments that all of Agnes' descendants had written in the margins . . .

[@Ellhaim]

​@@WeeLassReacts It WAS very forced in the show, and the book to be fair. I don't love it, but the way I see it, it's almost an allegory. The LONG history of 2 immortal beings slowly realizing how they feel for one another vs the instant ....bond is too strong a word...of the typical hetero couple. It's a contrast! And it sorta feels intentional. Crowley and Azi have something deeper going on, while the het couple just get together because a book said so.

[@DontDrinkTheLuminol]

@@WeeLassReacts This will ONLY make sense when we find out who the baby's daddy really is.

[@vanilla6326]

“It doesn’t get any gayer than that” *squints in season 2*

[@TheScarletGarden]

Narrator: and then it did.

[@timtheasianinc]

Lol the sex scene is hilarious not just because it's shot the way it is. But also because it pokes fun at Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery Pulsifer. As a person who was raised Christian I find it hilarious. But also, it's one scene in a world of non heteronormative relationships and it moves the plot along.

[@DontDrinkTheLuminol]

If Newt doesn' t know Anathema is married, she's committing adultery but was he guilty of that? Hadn't thought about it before. Anyway, I'm betting it's not Newt's baby.

[@timtheasianinc]

@DontDrinkTheLuminol well she wasn't married. But it would send Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery Pulsifer in to a right fit, knowing his ancestor had had premarital relations, and with a witch no less!!! 🙏😉

[@DanGamingFan2846]

First off, happy birthday, David Tennant!🎉 Second, I also called the witch and Pulsifer falling in love because we can almost never have two people of the opposite gender interact without it in shows. I hate it when shows try to force hetero romance just because they gotta have one, apparently. Even more painful when a character of the same gender is right there and has better chemistry with them. I just skip over that scene. Once was enough, thank you.

[@watershipup7101]

100% agree.

[@genjis5155]

You got that right. Couldn't agree more.

[@thusnameddigital9397]

Looking at you, Wednesday.

[@WeeLassReacts]

Thanks for the super Dan!! And completely agree its painful 🥺😭

[@Lily-bj2pe]

After the rant about the heterosexual agenda I am very excited to see Mosco react to season 2, where Anathema and Newt break up and two satanic nuns get together.We also mustn't forget about the Gabriel x Crowley romance. Every day it's getting closer.

[@DontDrinkTheLuminol]

OMG yes! "His royal smugness is in trouble" and then you realize the history between Gabriel and Crowley and suddenly the walk of shame to the bookshop makes sooooo much sense! It's THE BEST love triangle!!!!

[@Lily-bj2pe]

@DontDrinkTheLuminol I know right???? When it was revealed I screamed. All my theories were correct!

[@Envy_May]

spoilers !!!!!

[@LowbrowDeluxe]

"Dutch angle" is the technical term. Rotating the camera relative to the horizon or orientation of the shot to create a sense of unease or uncanniness.

[@DontDrinkTheLuminol]

But in this show, we like to call it "duck angle" ;)

[@seileach67]

I'm with you on the heteronormativity stuff, but bear in mind that Season 1 is being faithful to a book that was written in the 1990s by two cishet guys who had ideas about toxic stereotypes of masculinity being overcome/healed/etc. by the power of positive stereotypes of femininity. Not saying they are or were right, but that's a factor in why the characters and their interactions are depicted that way in the show.

[@HuntingViolets]

It's interesting that Crowley, a demon, is the only character we see praying.

[@itsreeeshaaa7560]

This!

[@tonbokarasu2973]

What, are you not counting Aziraphale? He makes a whole big thing about it!

[@HuntingViolets]

@@tonbokarasu2973 Well, he does want to talk directly to the Almighty (I'm not sure a face-to-face is the same as praying), but he was unable to do that, blocked by the Metatron. We don't see him by himself praying to God as we see Crowley in the scene in this episode. He may do this, but we aren't shown it. Aziraphale speaks with God directly about the sword that one time, but that wasn't praying either. This is nothing against Aziraphale; in his early angelhood, he may have conversed with God on a few occasions. When you're conversing with God like that, though, it isn't a prayer.

[@DontDrinkTheLuminol]

Technically, we saw Jesus praying in E3.

[@tonbokarasu2973]

@@HuntingViolets I admit it's a while since I read the book last, but I'm 90% sure that what Aziraphale does at that point is described as prayer, and also as an odd thing for an angel to do, since they normally have a different way of going about it, unlike us humans. Personally, it fits my definition of prayer - directly addressing God, with the faith that They will answer if it's appropriate.

[@shadywolf6464]

I think the point of the straight relationships in this show are two fold. One I think it's making fun of the fact there are always "those" bullshit relationships, by making their core premise outrageously stupid "oh a prophecy said you were going tonbone so just do it". I also think it's important to have both queer and straight relationships in tandem with eachother otherwise we risk falling into patterns of excluding one way or the other. I know there's a lot of arguments about our own types of relationships being excluded for a long time so it's our time now. But I personally like having both next eachother presented in a way that doesn't take away from one another.

[@Envy_May]

i think the making fun of the trope is likely the intended interpretation but i feel like the satire maybe doesn't hit as well modernly because we're kind of desensitised to completely sincere things being so absurd as to appear like parody

[@briceysweeney81]

Also, as Neil said on his Tumblr, to a fan complaint about only het love stories getting to be "realized" onscreen, while Anathema and Newt have sex onscreen, they're not in love, they've just met. Sex doesn't = love. Neil felt everything about GO shows that Aziraphale and Crowley love one another.

[@coena9377]

Mosco watching this episode in her girlfriend’s merch is adorable.

[@singenstattatmen5096]

You'll love the scene where Crowley plays the piano for Beelzebub and all the angels cry.

[@karouakiva1714]

Love that scene, it's my favorite from the whole series.

[@DontDrinkTheLuminol]

@@karouakiva1714 I CRIED, TOO!!! It was the piano at THE RITZ!!! I'm still recovering!

[@sadfaery]

Fun fact - to add to the queer cred of this show, the actor who plays the Metatron is actually gay. Sir Derek Jacobi.

[@Alfwin]

Oh, cool! I didn't know that Sir Derek was gay.

[@sadfaery]

@@Alfwin Yep. And he's been with his partner for about 44-45 years!

[@colettepot7350]

@@sadfaerygood thing he dumped Messalina then…

[@Antony_Oscar]

I find it kind of funny that you had essentially zero reaction to Aziraphale saying "fuck" XD

[@DontDrinkTheLuminol]

Maybe it was a reverse auto-correct and he meant to say DUCK but the portal messed it up?

[@tuntemon]

When Crowley is looking at all the possible planets to go to. One of them is Gallifrey. Which is a fun little easter egg for Doctor Who fans. One of the few complaints I had about this series is that they didn't mentioned the reason for Pestilence retirement. Which is one of those jokes from the book that makes me chuckle everytime.

[@ChakChakGuy]

Speaking about Dr Who easter eggs: the guy in the street who told Azie "I've been there, you are better off without him" played a recurring alien sidekick on Dr Who, who was at some point abandoned by the Doctor.

[@swanchamp5136]

​@@ChakChakGuyhe played Straxx

[@Sammacias5]

6:20 moral of the story, never accept candy from hot strangers no matter what! Lmao 😂😂

[@DontDrinkTheLuminol]

Totally! If they hadn't had the candy, they'd never have been in that trance and set that road on fire! KIDS THESE DAYS, am I right?

[@IceMetalPunk]

I mean, look, I'm 33, and if a hot woman offers me chocolate.... I can't say I'd turn her down 😂

[@Luzarioth]

This was the Doctor Who Episode: When Crowley looked through the Planets, you can see Gallifrey. The Kids talk about Aliens saying "EXTERMINATE". The "random" Stranger on the Street, that says "I've been there, you are better of without him", plays Strax, the friendly Sontaran Nurse. The Metatron is played by the same Actor who playes Dr.Yana/The Master.

[@emilymoran9152]

Also the wall behind the Bentley when Crowley tries to apologize looks like the TARDIS.

[@SteveMND]

Ahhhh, I knew I recognized the actor playing the Random Stranger from /something/, but damned if I could remember what. Thanks!

[@HuntingViolets]

"You're better off without him" is not good relationship advice in this case. Running off to Alpha Centauri and letting the Earth be destroyed is also not the answer, though.

[@Sairin13]

They could spend more time setting up the Anathema relationship, they'd just have to take time away from Aziraphale and Crowley to do it.

[@WeeLassReacts]

Or they could have... just made them friends? Just an idea...

[@Sairin13]

@@WeeLassReacts True, I think that I'm just biased because I like the Anathema character, she reminds me of several Terry Pratchett characters from his other works. I kinda want her to get some for all the crap she has to go through. It's the Shadwell stuff that I would cut out first I think he's more of an example of dead weight to the story than the Anathema relationship.

[@tuttifruta]

​@@WeeLassReactsbut they're from the original book, and pratchett is not even here anymore (rest in peace, legend..) to have a saying... Idk

[@cathyaldridge4550]

@@WeeLassReacts Not sure if the last scene with them would've worked so well though. Look out for it and I look forward to your thoughts on it.

[@kemowery]

As far as I can tell, just doing some quick googling while at work, it looks like the Conquest/Pestilence divide is just down to different translations and maybe a shift that occurred during the Black Plague.

[@karlwilker579]

If you think that Newt and Anathema are rushed, just wait for Azirophael x Sergeant Shadwell.

[@Sammacias5]

Hey everyone! Remember to keep the comments free of any spoilers of future episodes for Mosco. Have fun & be creative with fake spoilers! Also, make sure we’re keeping the comments cool & comfortable for everyone here. Enjoy the reaction y’all!!!

[@endertuber8300]

About the Four Horsemen, the thing about the Bible is that a lot of stuff in there are metaphores or very poetic and artistic description of what happens and their meaning, often relying on the context of Hellenistic/pre-Hellenistic Mediterranean/Babylonian culture adjacent to the Holy Lands. The Horsemen in the Bible are breafily descripted in John's Apocalypse as entities that broke free from the first four (out of seven) seals that mark the start of the Apocalypse and they are also often associated with Greek gods (typical christian/abrahamic habit of incorporating pagan deities as demons/angels/entities): the Red and Black Horsemen are pretty straightforward, War (Ares) and Famine (Limos), and the Pale/Green Horsemen is a bit weird, it's definetly Death (Thanathos) but is also described as arbringer of Pestilence, because the White Horsemen is truely a symbology fuck fiesta: it's the first of the seals open and given the symbols he carry (bow and crown) is either saw as Jesus himself, conqueror of evil and hierald of the rapture, or the Antichrist as first of evil that will destroy the world and leader of the other Horsemen before, but many of those interpretations are very late, often up to XVIII or XIX century and in pop culture the White Horsemen stucked with the Pestilence angle... that said, I absolutely love Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett idea that Pestilence just gave up and passed it to Pollution, it's just so apropo with the idea of Heaven and Hell moving along human society. Sidenote: friendly reminder that the source material is still a 90s' book, of course it will have the mandatory straight couple in it, but at the same time I'm a sucker for "shy, awkward, nerdy person X confident, decise, (sort of) goth person" so everything is good in the universe. Fake or not spoiler: Adam will save the world when finally he'll meet God herself and she will mumble for hours about how cool whales are and wonders if he can make whales too.

[@kevinsizemore2053]

Aww, You didn't mention that God is played by Alanis Morissette

[@THayes-yp1do]

Season two is all about Adam & Warlock uniting to find the unknown third son from the satanic church with their guardians (Aziraphale & Crowley) making sure they don't accidently start the rapture

[@alexiscardillo3206]

Don't worry that was the last of those kind of moments in the series, and especially in season 2, nothing "straight" in season 2

[@officiallyjan8596]

Some fun random trivia: "Crowley's" original name in-universe was actually "Crawlie" because of when he was the snake in the garden of Eden and... you know... crawling around... but it gradually mutated over time until it became the "Crowley" he goes by now.

[@RestInReeses]

It was spelt Crawly (Or Crawley?) actually, and it didnt really mutate, Crowley changed it himself since he didnt like it ("My name. Crawley just wasnt doing it for me. Its a bit too.. squirming-at-your-feet-ish." "Well you were a snake. So what is it now? Mephistophelles? Asmodeus?" "Crowley.")

[@officiallyjan8596]

@@RestInReeses The spelling thing's fair, but what did you think "mutate" means if not "change"?

[@DontDrinkTheLuminol]

@@officiallyjan8596 Jane Austen. Think about it. Makes more sense if you re-watch S2.

[@RestInReeses]

@@officiallyjan8596 I mean "Mutating over time" would imply Crowley didnt just change it one day, but that over years it was being pronouced differently by others until it became that "Over time" implies the name change happened gradually rather than Crowley simply going "Btw its not that anymore, didnt like it, its this now."

[@HotDogTimeMachine385]

I think none of the horsemen are actually named in the bible so there's debate if the pale horseman is Pestilence or Conquest. (Edit, I meant white horse) Spoilers for the bible 😂

[@klemminguk]

The real fourth horseman is Social Media.

[@fraelikkriil830]

I’m pretty sure it’s unambiguously supposed to be conquest, but pestilence became a more popular interpretation as it seemed to intuitively fit better amongst the others. I’ve honestly never seen a fictional interpretation that has conquest instead, but I’d love to.

[@itsreeeshaaa7560]

I’ve never read the Bible but I thought in Revelations there’s a verse about a pale horse and the rider is Death or something like that.

[@davidwebb4451]

​​​​​​​​@@itsreeeshaaa7560Yes, Death on the pale horse (though the word used could apparently also be translated as a sickly green-yellow colour) is the only one named in the book of revelations. The personification of the others was originally derived from the items they were given. Conquest having a crown and riding a white horse. Famine having a pair of scales to weigh grain and riding a black horse. War having a sword and riding a red horse. Conquest and War were distinguished as being two different types of war ie war of conquest and civil war. However people seemed to be confused by this and over time Conquest was replaced by Pestilence (though precisely why I'm not sure as on the face of it there doesn't seem to be much of a connection between pestilence and a crown).

[@HotDogTimeMachine385]

@@fraelikkriil830 Yeah, Conquest sounded too similar to War I think. Diseases being its own thing makes sense, especially after the Plague.

[@sallyatticum]

The cheesy graphics are even more clever, as they are straight from Adam's imagination, as seen in his art projects you can see in his room, or Anathema's magazines he read or tv shows... (like Doctor Who. Sadly they had to cut a bit with a Dalek that was actually in the book, but would have been a fun cameo)

[@LamirLakantry]

Mosco more triggered by two seconds of hetro in a gay show than a republican seeing a rainbow reffrances in a Disney movie.

[@OrganizedChaos1117]

The only one of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse specifically named in the Bible is Death. Revelation 6:8 "And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him." The titles of the others are just inferred by their symbolism. So, the other Horsemen have been guessed to be anything from Pestilence, Conquest, Strife, War, Famine, or even the Antichrist himself.

[@mkay7163]

It's funny you talked about Adam fixing the Scottish rainforest because there's a bit in the book where Adam, because Anathema has of course told him about it, causes the Amazonian rainforest to grow back. All at once. Like, overnight. It's pretty cool.

[@swanchamp5136]

You missed that the papers that caught fire at the end was the script for 'the sound of music'

[@purpleirken1529]

I'm with you with the whole "Too much unnecessary Hetero in media" but this is the ONLY time I'll accept it, because it's meant to be comedic and it makes sense with the characters 😂 Also, the thing about the prophecies is that it very selective. Agnes didn't write EVERYTHING only parts that are important. So there probably was no "tornado incoming" prophecy. Plus Anethema literally has an alarm for everytime a prophecy will happen.

[@dusk_dusk]

YOU DIDN'T LISTEN THE LINE ABOUT THE "BOYFRIEND" THING NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO 😭😭😭😭😭

[@DontDrinkTheLuminol]

THEY'RE NOT BOYFRIENDS THEY'RE HUSBANDS!!! Get it right, heaven, sheesh!!!! :)

[@jptarus2]

"Close our legs" There are far better ways to slow down the population growth while allowing me to open my legs.

[@boiledcrap]

I love to call back of the original Mona Lisa Sketch that Crowley has in his apartment. "The only wall decoration was a framed drawing-the cartoon for the Mona Lisa, Leonardo da Vinci’s original sketch. Crowley had bought it from the artist one hot afternoon in Florence, and felt it was superior to the final painting.* *Leonardo had felt so too. “I got her bloody smile right in the roughs,” he told Crowley’ sipping cold wine in the lunchtime sun, “but it went all over the place when I painted it. Her husband had a few things to say about it when I delivered it, but, like I tell him, Signor del Giocondo, apart from you, who’s going to see it? Anyway … explain this helicopter thing again, will you?”"

[@Sabatuar]

Huh, I've never heard of Conquest as one of the horsemen of the apocalypse. It's always been War, Famine, Pestilence, and Death in my experience. Well, also Pollution here and Kaos (Chaos) in Discworld.

[@officiallyjan8596]

Basically about the 4 horsemen, they were (both in fiction and real life) defined by- and embody the 4 primary causes of death, which used to be War (conflicts), Famine (starvation), Conquest (ambition/ego) and Death(natural) but as time passes and culture and technology changes, the causes that are "biggest" change with the era. Conquest used to be one of the primary causes, and so was one of the horsemen, but then pestilence and plagues happened in Europe and became a greater and more renown killer than conquests, incidentally also reducing the prevalence of conquest since no one really goes out to fight while everyone's dying of disease, and so Pestilence replaced Conquest. In the exact same way, vaccines and medicinal advances has rendered great plagues and pandemics a thing of the past (at the time of Good Omens) while human pollution has surged out of control, ergo Pollution replaced Pestilence. (There's a funny fan theory that COVID, not existing until after Good Omens has taken place, is Pestilence stepping up their game again.)

[@Lightice1]

Gaiman and Pratchett probably replaced Pestilence with Pollution because they didn't want to be seen making light of the AIDS crisis that was going on at the time of writing the book.

[@SnarkKnight1]

in the book how all of anathema's ancestors wrote advice in the margins for her first time. It's very funny.

[@ThePorpoisepower]

For American audiences... the blue car is a "Reliant Robin" it only has 3 wheels so it can qualify as a motorcycle (or atleast not quite a car).

[@SilverGallowglass]

5:56 Ok, the whole horseman question! So, the only named horseman is apparently Death, the others are implied. So, the interpretations are sometimes different. We have rider of the white horse, the rider of the red horse (War/Mass Slaughter/Civil War), the rider of the black horse (Famine) and Death who ride on a pale horse. The rider who is central to this debate is the rider of the white horse, who has a bow and a crown. This rider has been thought to be the personification of Conquest and Glory, Christ, the Gospel or the Holy Spirit, the Antichrist, War of Conquest (because the red horse rider is seen as civil war) and Infectious disease or Pestilence/ Plague. 19:26 Just hold out until Mrs. Davies is introduced. She is a lovely Welsh woman who works at Tesco, Madame Tracey meets her when Shadwell says something...well really mean, and she goes out shopping for dinner. She is nice, but with a hidden streak of mischief and wicked humor and is just delightful. I don't think Shadwell at all deserves all Madame Tracey does and so enjoyed seeing someone who would appreciate her as she deserves. 23:46 I know, I feel the same 23:56 I know, I felt the same I think Anathema and Newton are interesting personality types and I end up shipping them more in fanfiction than I do in the actual show. Could their whole thing be better as friends? Possibly, probably. I remember being so sad when it was kinda implied that this would be the last we would see of Warlock. I'm happy that in season 2 we see Warlock and Adam become friends.

[@NuttersIncorporated]

There more same sex couples in season 2. We get lesbians. In fairness to the Newt and Anathema thing, it’s a prophesy in the book and Anathema always tries to do what Agnes predicted. Anathema thinks the world is going to end if she doesn’t do what she’s told and it might end even if she does do everything right. She’s very stressed and sex can be a stress relief, it doesn’t necessarily have to be anything more than that. It’s a ‘fuck you’ to Newt’s ancestor who would hate this even more than you do. I love how Aziraphale realised what had happened, had a moment to think about it and was like ‘I think this situation can only be summed up by one word. Time for my very first swear word!’ “FUCK!” Fack spoiler! Season 2 is all about the different pantheons of Gods and how they all exist too. The different pantheons have been arguing about which of them is best and Zuze suggests they hold an Olympic Games to settle things. Heaven and Hell have to work together to participate as one team.

[@DontDrinkTheLuminol]

I said the same until someone called me out in a different reaction, but they were right: DO we literally get lesbians, or are they bi or pan-sexual? I don't think the different patheons of gods was a fack spoiler, I think it's setting up a crossover between Good Omens and American Gods (another Neil Gaimen book, and look for a reference at the end of this season) that will happen in Season 3. The whole leprechaun moment Crowley has in S2 was a big hint, if you haven't read AG. :)

[@NuttersIncorporated]

I disagree that the person who called you out - on saying we get lesbians - was right to do so. I’d love more bi and pan representation (I’m pan) and potentially, yes, they could be bi or pan. However, so far, they’ve exclusively been shown being attracted to women. They saw a naked man and found it funny. Can you headcanon them as bi or pan? Yes. Could they be revealed to be bi or pan in season three? Yes. However, saying a fictional character is a lesbian because - so far - she’s exclusively been shown being attracted to women, does not need calling out. It’s a quick way of saying we get more LGBT+ rep next season without going into too much detail or into hypotheticals about who else she might find attractive. Plus, they are characters, not real people. If I’d said; ‘in season 2 we get a character called Maggie who has blue eyes,’ in theory I could be wrong. DO we literally get a blue-eyed character called Maggie, or is she potentially wearing coloured contact lenses? Anyway, nice theory about the American Gods crossover! I personally thought the leprechaun scene was setting up a crossover with The Nightmare Before Christmas and the Four-Leaf Clover holiday door.

[@DontDrinkTheLuminol]

@@NuttersIncorporated I very nearly agree, but that’s assuming that the texting is from a female-and we never specifically get confirmation of their gender identity. Their name is used for both females and males, so it’s possible the character getting the texts is bi/pan. I kind of like that it’s ambiguous, but maybe I’m overly eager for very broad representation. I strongly disagree that finding a naked man funny proves anything, though. Of course one’s ability to be sexually or romantically attracted to a gender doesn’t mean you’re always attracted to everyone of that gender in all circumstances. I’m a straight woman who laughed my head off at that naked man, too. :)

[@NuttersIncorporated]

@@DontDrinkTheLuminol Fair enough. When Nina said her partner was called Lindsay, I automatically assumed they were a woman because I didn’t know that ‘Lindsay’ was a gender-neutral name. No, obviously no one is attracted to everyone of a gender they are attracted to and yes, it was very funny. I was just pointing out that we see them exclusively attracted woman. You are right, they could potentially be bi or pan and of course we don’t know that they are cisgender. Even if they aren’t, as I said before, you are still free to headcanon them as having any gender or sexual orientation you want. Either way, it’s lovely to get more LGBT+ rep and we also get other characters too

[@DontDrinkTheLuminol]

@@NuttersIncorporated Agreed, and I liked your comment, friend. :)

[@Sammacias5]

20:06 this PSA was brought to you by Wee Lass Reacts!

[@SkillsLoading]

Honestly I kind of feel like they glossed over a lot of Newt/Anathema's relationship and Shadwell's character development because it wasnt what the story was about. Even so, given that by the time the book was written Sir Terry was already hip deep in the best trans alligory in literature (diacworld dwarves gender revelotion) and Neil's Sandman comic was becoming an iconic representation of both gay and trans characters... Both plot threads, while important to the book, did feel more than a little rushed.

[@ShiningLily3]

Aziraphale has a tendency to push his feelings down so it seems like he doesn't care. I recognize his behavior because I do the same thing.

[@sauteedlimes219]

I actually think Anathema and Newt is a cute couple pairing but to each their own

[@DontDrinkTheLuminol]

Anyone who endorses burning books is problematic, IMHO. Symbolism. Darn you, Shadwell!

[@paulflux5892]

I love that the aliens arrive in a crappy square flying saucer, just like the model seen in Adams bedroom earlier!

[@itsreeeshaaa7560]

I’m so happy you dropped this on David Tennant’s birthday! Love your reactions to this wonderful show and happy birthday to the beautiful man David Tennant!

[@_carrot__cake_]

I’m happy to inform you that there’s literally zero heterosexual agenda in season 2 so stay tuned for that!

[@DontDrinkTheLuminol]

I SWEAR those were two male ducks mating in the pond when Aziraphale is reading Jane Austin to Crowley, though.

[@_carrot__cake_]

@@DontDrinkTheLuminol St James park pond is for the gay ducks only.

[@DontDrinkTheLuminol]

@@_carrot__cake_ I’m pretty sure I saw online that was the inspiration for Big Gay Al’s Big Gay Animal Sanctuary in South Park. :)

[@Miroslava_Ivanova]

I love how much stuff is in the prophecies: Newt's car is called a Reliant Robin, hence the Robin's blue chariot Aching his head for willow fine - the bark of the willow tree has a chemical compound similar to aspirin, cause he got hurt in the car crash and needed painkillers 😁 And another fun fact is that in the book Pestilence retired after the discovery of penicillin, iirc 😁 I can never get over how indignant Aziraphale gets when Shadwell says he's been seducing women 🤣🤣🤣 And then that Fuck is just the most perfect delivery 🤣🤣🤣 I always love when someone is so enthusiastic about a show I love so much and it's great to hear you theorize, can't wait to see your reactions to the rest of Good omens 😊

[@StellaCrowley]

The Four Horsemen are never named in the bible (except for the rider of the pale horse, Thanatos/Mors), the common names we have for them are simply associations scholars have come up with, and Conquest is nowadays often referred to as Pestilence, as someone else in the comments pointed out.

[@HuntingViolets]

At first I found Pestilence (Conquest sounds like another name for War anyway) but now I'm finding the Four Horsemen you're finding and I don't know what is happening.

[@nekokaitou4027]

Can't wait to see your reaction when Crowleys plants join forces with the ducks to stop the apocolypse

[@Slightecho_]

The Newt/Anathema rant really caught me way off guard tbh but to be fair to you it *is* a little wacky that Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett said “we’re gonna subvert this misogynistic trope!! By writing that exact same misogynistic trope!! But saying it out loud!” 🤣🤣🤣

[@IncandescentFlame]

My favorite part of next episode is Dog's transformation when he gets renamed. I'm SO glad I wasn't high when I watched that cause that would have been a BAD trip. Still looks rad as hell when sober.

[@DontDrinkTheLuminol]

And renaming him "GOD" because it's "DOG" backwards -- I CANNOT believe I didn't see that coming from the first ep!

[@radicaladz]

21:46 - slight spoilers for the movie Dogma, but Metatron appears there too, played by the late great Mr Alan Rickman. Metatron: Metatron acts as the voice of God. Any documented occasion when some yahoo claims that God has spoken to them, they're speaking to me. Or they're talking to themselves. Bethany: Well... why doesn't God speak for Himself? Metatron: Glad you decided to join the conversation. To answer that: human beings have neither the aural nor the psychological capacity to withstand the awesome power of God's true voice. Were you to hear it, your mind would cave in and your heart would explode within your chest. We went through five Adams before we figured that one out.

[@TenebrousFilms]

Thanos' method was completely random. Personally, I'd do a variation of the Justice Field from Red Dwarf. It's impossible to commit any act of injustice within the field. Theft? Something of yours goes missing. Arson? You catch fire. Shoot someone? You get shot. But my version would encompass the entire world, and most importantly, it would be *retroactive.* I'd give everyone a day or two so they can get their affairs in order, and then they'd suffer everything they've ever inflictied on anyone else, in order, and it wouldn't be fatal until they've finished the experience. Would it cut Earth's population in half? It would be interesting to find out. Anyway, Azi wouldn't trick Crow with unholy... with not-holy water, it's not in his nature!

[@CeltiesSin]

I have never once seen “Conquest” as a horseman. I occasionally see “Strife” instead of Pestilence (apparently a lot of media likes replacing pestilence with something else >_> weird)

[@InkyPetrel]

8:46: I feel this eye roll in my soul. It was just as ill-fitting in the book to be fair, and I suppose if your life has been run by prophecy, and the prophecy says "you're gonna kiss the guy" you probably would just go with it at that point. But yes, down with the heteronormative bullshit, my queer ass just wants to watch the sunshine one and the grumpy one have a nice picnic and be ridiculous at eachother for a whole episode. The thing about Agnes' prophecies was that they were all very specific, more like random snapshots of the future with no context, and also written down in no particular order, so most of them are next to useless until after they happen. They chose one of the few examples with an actual date in it (about the apple) in a previous episode, and I think that might have been a mistake, because it gave the impression that they were all dated, but they're jumbled. This family has spent hundreds of years trying to piece them together, usually in hindsight by going "OHHHH, so THAT'S what this one meant!" I can only imagine the pinboards with red string that must have gone up at family gatherings. On the other side of that, times like this tornado tend to conveniently put the correct prophecy in arm's reach, because ...Agnes saw that it would, and wrote it down. One of those frustrating timey-wimey + prophecy narrative things. Aziraphale is SO adorable, he must be protected at all costs, and Crowley is doing his best :p The loss of the bookshop is legit one of the most painful things in the show. SO many first editions :(

[@JohnTalbane87]

Oh I think People Covered in Fish is coming up in the next episode! They’ll play a huge part in season 2.

[@ima-human9593]

I binged the other three yesterday, next thing I know episode four reaction is out! Hope you love this little series

[@bocce341]

When I went to Japan I was in a restaurant with no pictures and no english - the old-fashioned kind with the menu written on wooden tiles along the wall. One said くじら (kujira). My Japanese is far from fluent but I finally remembered that meant whale. So, I said, "For all the controversy let's see why they are so obsessed with this." It came sashimi-style in a brown ginger and green onion sauce. I tasted it, put my chopsticks down and said in Japanese: "Why are you killing these poor creatures, this tastes terrible!"

[@enija1934]

Once you finish Good Omens I strongly recommend checking out a series called "Our Flag Means Death" It has gay pirates and British pirates and just so many pirates. It's similar to Good Omens with the Sun x Moon relationships and I just think that you would really enjoy watching it!!!❤

[@WeeLassReacts]

Already seen it

[@enija1934]

@@WeeLassReacts oh shoot Sorry 😭

[@nicolaim4275]

The straight relationship(s) in the book were mostly a subversion/parody of the trope. The idea that they _had_ to get into a relationship was taken to an absurd extreme by to authors who loved to twist tropes in general.

[@DarthRayj]

So one of my favorite shows that has a really strong friendship between people of different genders is Elementary! The American show with Sherlock Holmes set in modern times. They switched Dr. Watson from John to Joan, and she's played by Lucy Liu (who I'm always a fan of) but despite my assumption that they'd inevitably get together because that's how American TV is, they actually took it very wholesomely platonic and developed a really strong and healthy relationship between them that never got romantic or sexual! There's less sexual/romantic tension between the leads than there is in most adaptations where they *are* the same gender even, and I found it really nice, because I also get very annoyed when shows force het pairings to happen constantly or with no reason.

[@LittleEndDragon]

Men and women can be just friends. I have a guy friend I'm really close with. We always lean on each other and use each other as pillows, but everyone around us say we're dating when we aren't. We are both bi, we just aren't interested in each other that way. I can see why people would think we're together with how cuddly we are, but when you've told people the same thing 100 times you'd think they'd understand. 😑

[@DontDrinkTheLuminol]

Just wait until Crowley and Aziraphale have that whole conversation about When Harry Met Sally the movie in S2, and it'll make sense.

[@TigerlilyWarrior]

About the names, I've read a few books where they used rider/horse for the 4. War rode a horse named Conquest, for example. IDK

[@pinkgazelle3445]

So.... If someone eats the reactor turned lemon sherbet do they get the big C immediately or is the candy fully candy now?

[@purpleberry3564]

I always find it funny that this show has a time travel plot in the future especially with David Tenant being the previous doctor in Doctor Who a show about Time Travel.

[@myphone4590]

Adam has no attraction to pepper, none of the angels or demons except aziraphale/crowley have any relationships, war has no suitors and pollution is a them...

[@DontDrinkTheLuminol]

To be fair, Adam may be the anitchrist, but I think Pepper could still kick his a$$ :D

[@Ven0mancer]

I will say in the showrunners defense every single bloody time a show sets up a guy and a girl as just friends, a good portion of the fanbase will ship like mad until they get together and it can detract from or drown out the rest of the fandom. Its the same issue mind but more the publics problem than the shows.

[@alexkoder1982]

Pestilence is one of the 4 Horsemen. I remember it from reading Shanara back in early 2000s when Walker Boh had to fight amalgamations of the 4 of them.

[@therealpink_art]

My two cents again on the whole breakup scene(s) and in defese of Azi: I think Azi is so reluctant to tell Crowley everything because 1) he is conviced he can fix it himself (because he belives in good) and Crowley basically gave up on earth in his eyes... and 2) Crowley suggested he should kill the kid, which Azi doesn't want! He still hopes the child to be good and worthy of living his life. Killing goes against all his morales I do think Azi trusts Crowley, but its like your partner suggesting something immoral and you want to try other options frist (without them interfearing). Crowley wants to run, and Azi would never forgive himself if he did. Thats the issue here I think. Also: can't wait until you get to the scene in the stripclub. Azi's outfit is ridiculous!

[@Kroiznacher]

3:49 we wouldn't tempt you to handle our packages We all value your relationship to much

[@kylecorwin6231]

19:10 This coming from the person screaming "KISS" every time David Tennant and Michael Sheen are on screen.

[@fallingstar9643]

The difference being that their relationship has been developed through flashbacks and interactions. Yes, there is a plot; yes, it's interesting to see how the plot scoops up all these other characters and brings them together in ways they never thought possible. But the focus of THIS story is on Aziraphale and Crowley; how the plot affects THEIR relationship is what's interesting; how it brings them together, how it pulls them apart. They're set up to be set up, but, will they? Will their relationship - painstakingly built up over millennia - be torn asunder in the ensuing - and literal - Apocalypse? No one gives a shit whether Anathema bones ... whatever the hell his name is. We don't need to waste time on that. It means nothing, because they mean nothing. Their role in the plot does not require them having sex. Maybe if there was more time to develop their characters, their backstories, their family backstories, and demonstrate that this is, at long last, the cathartic conclusion of centuries of bitter rivalry, sure. Sure. Then it's worth it. ... as it is, it is not.

[@joeywood9333]

Just wait till season two.

[@DontDrinkTheLuminol]

Not to give too much away, just… brace yourself when you see the ducks heading into Crowley’s flat. Those poor plants had been through enough as it was! That’s all I’m going to say. Except have tissues at the ready. Crowley’s FACE…. Ugh!

[@Dbug16]

Preach Mosco preach!:)✨

[@Linwhiteheart]

Season two there's a giant fight between heaven and people with a food kink, lead by cowley of course. (Dumb joke from patreon for anyone confused)

[@bert3142]

Great news: in season 2 we have a very cute wlw couple

[@ohsnap7216]

Your annoyance with the straight couples this episode was so relatable. I used to like the witch but after that scene I honestly stopped caring bc it just didnt make sense in these circumstances and irritated me so much. The rest of the episode was great tho. And I enjoyed your reaction a lot 💙

[@livb6945]

I'm so with you on the "two hetero people the same age" rant. And I'm hetero

[@maxdon2001]

Great reaction!

[@ComicIssue97]

Can't wait for when Hastor just breaks into dance!

[@DontDrinkTheLuminol]

To be fair, it was THAT ONE Queen song, who could help it?

[@fallingstar9643]

I was going to say something about something but the more I thought about it the more I wondered how far it went on the 'spoiler' spectrum, so I decided to not chance it and simply say that I can't wait for you to watch Season 2. There's probably a dragon. ... is there a dragon? I forget. ... I'm bad at fake spoilers. Sorry.

[@DontDrinkTheLuminol]

There is a HINT of a dragon for S3, but no one's confirmed it yet. Fingers crossed!!!

[@HuntingViolets]

I think I'd place Aziraphale as a fluffy cat and Crowley as the retriever -- or maybe an Irish setter.

[@DontDrinkTheLuminol]

Crowley's a snake and Aziraphale is the fluffy duck he just cannot resist and wants to snuggle for warmth.

[@alexkoder1982]

You are going to flip when we get a scene of Azi taking a bath. Not sure why it freaks out Gabriel and the others though.

[@DontDrinkTheLuminol]

DID it freak Gabriel out, or did he get turned on? I think he doth protested too much...

[@HuntingViolets]

Your heading has the wrong episode title -- "Hard Times." I thought you had to reupload for a minute.

[@WeeLassReacts]

yeah sorry I fixed it now thanks!!

[@danielcopeland3544]

Revelation chapter 6 describes the Four Horsemen as follows: (1) A rider on a white horse, has a bow, given a crown, who goes forth "conquering and to conquer". (2) A rider on a red horse, given a sword, who has the power to take peace from the earth. (3) A rider on a black horse, given a set of scales, who sets exorbitant prices for staple foods. (4) A rider on a green horse, told "Come and see," whose name is Death "and Hell followed after". _Traditionally,_ these are interpreted respectively as "Pestilence, War, Famine, and Death"; note that Death is the only one actually given a name in the text. (Also, most translations give the colour of Death's horse as "pale", but only because everyone knows there's no such thing as a green horse.) But that tradition starts from the premise that Revelation is a real divine prophecy of the end of the world. Modern scholarship reads it instead as a polemic against the Roman Empire, written using prophetic imagery from the Hebrew Bible to camouflage its rebellious intentions. In this interpretation the Four Horsemen are aspects of the Roman war machine. The Red Horseman is war itself, the Black Horseman is the food shortages that follow when war has killed farmers and burnt crops, and Death is of course named as Death in the text, so those three are pretty much correctly identified in the traditional reading. But _white_ horses represent glory and righteous causes -- another one appears later in the book with unambiguously good symbolism -- and you'll notice the White Horseman is given a _bow,_ a weapon that kills at a distance. So the idea is that the traditional reading has got this one wrong; the White Horseman is war seen from the perspective of the warmongers, who gain glory and prestige while causing other people to die. So although _traditionally_ the White Horseman is Pestilence, nowadays in accordance with the scholarship people are calling him Conquest instead.

[@HuntingViolets]

Okay, okay, I have it! In the New Testament, the Book of Revelations, the Four Horsemen are Conquest, War, Famine, and Death. In the Old Testament, they are Sword(!), Famine, Wild Beasts(!), and Pestilence or Plague. Conquest and Sword both seem like War to me, and it looks like Pestilence was associated with Death. But War, Famine, and Pestilence all serve Death, so it really makes more sense to have Death, War (Conquest), Famine, and Pestilence (later replaced by Pollution in GOverse). That's the best I can do without more research. Translations may also be an issue.

[@davidwebb4451]

Death is the only one actually named in the Book of Revelations and as far as I am aware the horsemen don't appear anywhere else in either the new or old testaments. If you know differently then please provide the book, chapter and verse mentioning them.

[@HuntingViolets]

@@davidwebb4451 Much like our reactor, I resorted to a search engine. There is quite a variety. In Ezekiel 14:21 KJV: _For thus saith the Lord GOD: How much more when I send my four sore judgments upon Jerusalem, the sword, and the famine, and the noisome beast, and the pestilence, to cut off man and beast?_ (I didn't go back to the source in my cursory search for the reaction; the site I found then said "wild beasts," but they may have used a different edition.)

[@reilin_doon]

just wait until s2 when the silly lesbians show up