I'm Surprised You Woke Me

Star Trek The Next Generation s04e03 Brothers
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Outro Music: • STAR TREK - THE NEXT G... & • Magical Trevor : Episo... & • I Love Beans by Brak
Intro Audio: StarTrekTNG: s03e06 'Booby Trap' & s03e12 'The High Ground'

[@TheZetaKai]

I love the unspoken implication that Lore took over the Pakled ship and killed their crew. He mentions them by name, and he is wearing Pakled clothing, but knowing Lore, it is safe to assume that he did not form an amicable partnership with them. The sensors aboard the Enterprise did not detect any life signs on Lore's ship when he arrived...

[@RandomAmerican3000]

He made their ship go... without them.

[@JosephElliottColeman]

@@RandomAmerican3000 Hahahahahahaha!

[@ireallyreallyhategoogle]

A small crew of Pakled are no match for Lore. They are dead.

[@VampireNewl]

That's pretty funny

[@skibootdier9488]

I never made that connection.. You are smart..

[@testingjoker2019]

Even in the end, he's still a dad who loves both his kids

[@ericdale4641]

Lore's initial reaction of denial upon being informed that his father was dying hit me in the feels. Damn you, bean master!

[@hatersgonnalovethis]

Also went right from denial to bargaining. „Is this some kind of trick?“

[@Jose_LopezCasillas]

I really wish this episode had ended differently. It's a shame the genuine disbelief, sadness and concern Lore showed here wasn't enough to overcome his dark nature.

[@SaraMorgan-ym6ue]

so you can network a few tricorders together to make a computer cool🤣🤣🤣

[@robertsteinbuch2140]

I agree.

[@demiserofd]

"You look fine!" "Son, I look like rump roast."

[@Dowlphin]

"Son, I never told you this, but I am actually not a burn victim. This is age."

[@bobagorof]

Lore had just been hanging out with Pakleds. Soong does indeed look fine to him. At least, he's still breathing...

[@keith3761]

"Lore’s not evil data chill" a few moments later "omg why did I not see this coming!!"

[@kev3d]

Soong has to be the dumbest smart guy in all of Trek. "He'll obey me. He always did." YOU HAD TO SHUT HIM DOWN AND DISASSEMBLE HIM, REMEMBER?

[@argvminusone]

Lack of foresight: the Achilles' heel of mad scientists everywhere.

[@TheMyrmo]

I love it when LaForge goes all engineer wonk. He doesn't care about anything except solving the problem in front of him.

[@josephmassaro]

I'm looking at the thumbnail and the title. Picard: I'm surprised you woke me. Riker: Well, I can't always run the ship for you.

[@Dowlphin]

Picard: _But I thought you like being in command as long as I am there as a fallback._

[@nicktaylor2391]

​@@Dowlphin best way to learn, is it not?

[@stormthrush37]

"Dying from what, sir?" "Beans. Lotsa beans, lotsa beans, lotsa beans."

[@geoffwilliams4478]

"I...I loved eating beans."

[@Dowlphin]

As they say: _Everything in moderation. .. Or you get permabanned._

[@ShannonFreng]

Ah, I'm so glad the guy whose video this is retired that theme--it was quite annoying.

[@monkeyman767]

I know in the end he still turned on them, but I like to believe that just for a little bit, Lore's reaction at 2:08 - 2:39 is genuine. Also, it's a damn shame Star Trek was (unofficially) banned from winning Emmy's. Brent Spiner 100% deserved all the awards for this episodes performance.

[@elisabethschmerzler963]

Wait why were they banned? Was it because they didn’t take Sci Fi shows seriously or did something happen?

[@monkeyman767]

@@elisabethschmerzler963 Basically yes, it was considered a "cult show", so they never considered it for nominations or thought it was "worthy" of it. Bullshit really, and an opinion that's thankfully changed in recent years but it's a shame they can't retroactively go back and award them, there's some fantastic performances in Trek that were sadly overlooked.

[@TheZetaKai]

Lore's behavior is consistent with that of a sociopath, even in this moment of concern for his father's health. To Lore, Soong is a resource, an occasionally-useful person who isn't of value at the moment, but might be someday. More importantly, Soong is "his"; in Lore's narcissistic mind, Soong belongs to him, and he can leverage that connection whenever he wants to do so. Soong initially doesn't interest him, and isn't offering him anything, so he is about to leave without a second thought. But when Soong reveals that he is dying, that news shocks him. To a person with personality disorders like Lore, Soong is telling him that he will soon lose access to this unique resource. Soong is being taken away from him, and the first stage of grief at suffering any major loss is denial, which is what he displays here. He doesn't love Soong as a father, and he doesn't respect Soong as a human; he acts like a spoiled child who has broken a toy during a tantrum.

[@zagnorch1336]

@@monkeyman767 Ironic, seeing as how none of the current shows labeled "Star Trek" are even remotely worthy of any kind of award. Well, except for the Razzies, should they ever do "awards" for TV shows.

[@monkeyman767]

@@zagnorch1336 eh, I disagree there I'm afraid. I've actually quite enjoyed most of the new series, with Lower Decks being a very nice surprise (not that I would consider it award worthy mind you, but still good). Picard has its faults but the ending was worth it, and also, what 1st season of a show ever gets it right stroaght off, even TNG didn't. Honestly, I'm just happy that after so long of it being gone from the air that it's back

[@LaBarata12]

I wonder how much of Lore’s reaction was manipulation and how much was genuine

[@aggressiveattitudeera887]

Considering what he's done in the past, and what he does in the future, I'd say that ALL of it was manipulation.

[@xandercorp6175]

As human as his neuroticism is, I'd say Lore himself does not know. He would leave it until afterwards to decide how he would frame it for himself; that way, he gets to feel all the unencumbered emotion in the moment AND define it how he wants at a safe distance.

[@andyh4518]

I think his initial reaction was genuine. However, once he learned about the emotion chip it was all a manipulation.

[@monkeyman767]

I like to think it was genuine, yes he was still angry, but in the end he didn't go completely rogue until he got the chip that wasn't meant for him, I'm thinking that probably actually made his instability even worse, after this episode he seems to get a god complex

[@ireallyreallyhategoogle]

All that we saw in this clip was genuine. The manipulation starts when he learns what his father has made for Data. His jealousy kicks in, and he does what any petulant jealous sociopathic child would do.

[@azraelknightquest5754]

One thing this episode did that was very excellent and unique, was show a vulnerable side to Lore. It really fleshed him out as a character. He was still evil but different. It was excellent. He became less the "evil" side of Data (Although even that, I saw a lot of good acting and dialogue in the episode "Datalore") and more an emotionally/mentally unstable child that felt rejected but still loved his father.

[@craigwhite3815]

If you think about it there's a lot of similarity between the stories of Lore and Thomas Riker. Both their background and the way they act/feel.

[@kev3d]

Somewhere in the Galaxy there's a whole crew of Pakled corpses floating in the vacuum of space after Lore beamed them into the cold void. Their last thought before the air was violently removed from their lungs was "we are not smart".

[@Markbell73]

We like things that make us go.

[@pop5678eye]

2:22 'What do you mean you're dying? You look fine!' Um... I guess given Lore's history he may have come to the mistaken conclusion that humans only die if killed?

[@haddy106]

True

[@Paul-A01]

He's in denial about his father dying

[@LEAGUEOFAKIMBO]

i love Lore he's definetly best villian!

[@curtisberard7831]

I love Lore's voice cracking at the news that Soong is dying.

[@Josh_Fredman]

One of the few times Riker had a genuinely clever idea!

[@stephenkrawczyk7399]

pakled captain: we are far from home lore: oh yes you are

[@WUZLE]

"And hope we don't all end up looking like Data."

[@Sage2000]

Brent’s acting really shines here

[@artman2oo3]

Data could have physically stopped Dr. Soong from reactivating Lore. Did loyalty to Soong prevent him?

[@xandercorp6175]

A belief in free will, free speech, and the rights of the individual most probably. There may have been more than a little Father veneration in there, too.

[@zagnorch1336]

We will find out tonight... on "Unsolved Mysteries."

[@ireallyreallyhategoogle]

Of course, it did. Data could never imagine disobeying his creator.

[@Markbell73]

His base subroutines involving right and wrong. Despite Data's experience with Lore, he trusts his creator and his sense of purpose. Also, the plot determines the course of actions.

[@trande6136]

Just when I think I’m done binging these clips, I find scenes like this one.

[@JaredLS10]

Main computer is offline. Geordi: no problem i'll slap together some tricorders and use those instead of the computer that spans multiple decks.

[@Eddie42023]

Ghost of Roddenberry: technology advances quite rapidly. Siri and Aleksa: Are we jokes to you?

[@Dowlphin]

The main computer does a whole lot more.

[@Avantgardist]

I am very disappointed that they didn't give Lore a goatee. Aren't evil twins required to have goatees anymore?

[@Dowlphin]

They became too trendy among people whose hair is not black.

[@Pahricida]

Only in the worst possible timelines.

[@samsticka]

Lore: I spent nearly 2 years drifting in space. He was wearing Data's old uniform when he was beamed out into space. I guess when that Pakled ship found him, he changed his clothes.

[@matthewcollins4773]

His current clothes are a Pakled uniform, so yep.

[@samsticka]

@@matthewcollins4773 Pakleds aren't very bright, are they? "We are far from home." "Our ship is broken." "We look for things to make us go." "Can you make our ship go?"

[@davidtauriainen9116]

A beowulf cluster of tricorders. Now that's peak 90's!

[@alexoblivion9295]

Incredible, this video was posted 2 years ago.

[@whocares317]

I love how good the writing is at the end, the solution Riker/La Forge come up with isn't just mindless jibbers it makes huge amounts of sense from a programming standpoint, and this was the early 90s

[@johnbolducarthur]

Everything is still UNIX... programming has barely advanced since the 90s...

[@warneverchanges]

3:47 - let's focus on Troi staring off into space for some reason

[@2Scribble]

2:20 - this is who Lore actually is under all the psychosis and the bluster - a child

[@artman2oo3]

My right index finger constantly reloading the channel’s video list page to get the next video... *SWIPE PULL DOWN! SWIPE PULL DOWN! SWIPE PULL DOWN!*

[@zagnorch1336]

Hey! Keep your sick, perverted self-abuse rituals to yourself, you freak!

[@monkeyman767]

Same here

[@terminat1]

It sounds like an idol.

[@thiagodeandrade7081]

So cool how deep down Lore cares about his fatores well-being.

[@joshberry4813]

Brent Spiner acted his ass off in these episodes

[@harsesishoktar9386]

@3:46 Well said Deanna.

[@2Scribble]

3:49 - Stirling commentary from the captain there as well -nod-

[@DarthCalculus]

I hope Brent was well paid for this episode

[@axnyslie]

It'd be interesting to see a BTS making of for this episode. How Brent Spiner interacted with himself as three characters.

[@ussfrontier]

Never understood why they could not shuttle down to the surface or use the shuttles' communication arrays to alert Starfleet for help.

[@epicstyle1000]

Because they have to ignore both The Shuttles and the transporters most the time because otherwise fixing the problems would be easy

[@humanrightsadvocate]

Data had no empathy. Just reason and logic. Yet, he never exhibited antisocial behavior. You would think that Lore's emotions and empathy would prevent him from doing evil. This is a powerful lesson from Star Trek, emotions don't necessarily make you good, and lack of emotions don't necessarily make you evil.

[@Outworlder]

It's the opposite. A lot of Lore's actions can be explained by emotions. Anger. Jealousy.

[@FantomMisfit]

​@Outworlder Resentment. Lores a damaged kid in a way. He did bad things that any kid would do and instead of trying to guide him his father gave up on him disassembled him and put him on a shelf and left him to rot. Imagine your Dad deciding you're a failure putting you into a coma and abandoning you, leaving you in a coma to rot. You'd be resentful too. Edit: Almost forgot You're then awoken years later to find that your Dad happily moved on with his life essentially forgot you ever existed and replaced you with another that he deemed better.

[@humanrightsadvocate]

@@FantomMisfit But why would emotions override his reason? Is that a design fault? And why not destroy Lore instead of just temporarily take it apart? I always hated that Lore was inferior to Data despite the fact that he could do everything Data could + humor, empathy and all the emotions. There is no explanation given for Lore's evil. We can only speculate. Could it be that.. the emotion chip was incapable of generating guilt? So, Lore could feel a ton of things, except remorse, guilt, shame etc? Could it be that those emotions eluded Dr. Sung?

[@FantomMisfit]

@@humanrightsadvocate Emotions override logic in people all the time. Lore sees organics as inferior and thus is able to justify his bad behavior as well as the fact that organics (in his eyes) hated him because he was different which indirectly caused him to be disassembled so he also developed a hatred and contempt toward them. When people have wronged you it's easy to justify doing bad things back. The chip only made him more phychotic and unstable (which Soong warns him of) Edit: And to add insult to injury after abandoning you he made another kid to replace you deemed him better than you and happily moved on with his life and forgot you even existed. Lore never really got a fair chance. Data is the only one who treated Lore like a person and not a "thing" it does kind of partly explain why he wanted Data to stay with him. Lore was definitely the bad guy but it wasn't just "Wahahaha I'm evil" there's a clear series of events that caused it and it all started by Soong not recognizing that what he created was not just a machine. (Which I think is kind of Ironic) it wasn't Lore that was defective it was Soong that failed him as a father which he didn't repeat with Data (some small part of him knew he had done Lore wrong)

[@humanrightsadvocate]

@@FantomMisfit But, we cannot call a machine "bad" or "evil". Lore acted according to his programming. In fact, I would argue that the behavior of both Lore and Data was inevitable, as it was the output of a computation. So, the antisocial behavior of Lore can only be attributed to a design flaw.

[@blazerocker1734]

Great idea. Do all that time-consuming work to get the Enterprise's transporter to beam people down instead of going to the main shuttle bay and using the transporter on a shuttle like we just saw two episodes earlier. Brilliant.

[@Dowlphin]

I would assume that access rights limitations extend to the shuttles.

[@tuseroni6085]

often wrong soong has a broken heart, he cant tell his children apart.

[@okbruh]

1:58 Nice attempt to look like my brother, stunt man! 😏

[@EmmittBrownBTTF1]

This would have been a very demanding episode for Brent Spiner, having three roles with high makeup requirements.

[@haddy106]

2 of them look the same

[@EmmittBrownBTTF1]

@@haddy106 Costume changes. hair color - Lore is redder.

[@chrissteed8170]

@tjwparso: “I did, sir.” (O’Brien)

[@Justsomeguyyuyu]

Why couldn’t you just…fix me

[@saoranachnah-alba723]

All 3 characters here are played by Brent Spiner

[@terminat1]

Come on, stop joking. We all know that Patrick Stewart plays Lore and Marina Sirtis plays Soong.

[@YD-uq5fi]

Yes. Santa Claus is fake too.

[@Dowlphin]

Still doesn't quite reach the level of Peter Sellers in Dr. Strangelove, though. 😃

[@ShannonFreng]

There are some who maintain that Spiner would've received extra pay, for an episode such as this. But isn't it the case, that each cast member receives a set salary, per episode, independent of how much screen time they get (I obviously realize they all don't get the same salary)? Correct me if I'm wrong.

[@Dowlphin]

Lore: _I ... am... WOKE!!!_ ✊

[@charlesajones77]

What's with the rotating rocks in the background?

[@qawamity]

Wouldn't it be easier to override the controls of a shuttle bay and take a small craft out? Sure beats doing all sorts of tech magic with a bunch of tricorders to get the transporter working.

[@szahmad2416]

Shuttle bay won't get you to the starbase fast enough, maybe? What's their maximum warp?

[@qawamity]

@@szahmad2416, anything warp capable is better than nothing. Especially if it can send out a subspace distress call. For that matter, Data could have hijacked a shuttle instead of the entire ship. The TNG writers weren't in the habit of looking for logical failings in their writing. Some of them I can understand in the name of making the story happen, others not so much.

[@dpcrn]

The thing I always bothered me about this episode is how easily the computer was manipulated by day there and then fooled by tricorders.

[@szahmad2416]

There's always a work-around...for those who know how the ship is run; for example, chief engineer and an android second officer. The key to robust security is not just in technology. It's also in controlling those who have access and a formidable amount of experience. That doesn't mean that a random Romulan can simulate being a human and steal the ship out from under them.

[@kazemizu]

Lore, not wanting to believe his father is dying, proves he loves his father.

[@jackgibsxxx0750]

Pakleds always mess things up.

[@Dowlphin]

If you don't succeed at first, ... tricorder!

[@tomdumb6937]

3:02 call pulaski she will explain about stasis.

[@Dowlphin]

Old East Germans can also explain about Stasis.

[@SchweitzerMan]

Why didn't they just use the transporters in one of the shuttlecraft to beam down?

[@Warp10x]

Fuck there's orchids in his lab.

[@awesomemccoolname7111]

Data's dad is a boomer, change my mind.

[@fellfederflosse_furfeather5230]

with the Avengers Lord would be Loki 😉

[@pwnmeisterage]

Bad Data

[@NinjaOnANinja]

Yo. You should put some kind of note in the title to show where the episode starts.

[@tjwparso]

episode details are in the description and I have started pinning comments since apparently nobody looks at the description... just watch the episode if you want to know the exact second the clips starts pal, can't satisfy everyone I guess

[@NinjaOnANinja]

@@tjwparso we don't watch them all when you don't. We just finish where it left off or don't watch it. If I knew the start is watch then all

[@tjwparso]

@@NinjaOnANinja You don't have to watch them all, or any of them... if you want the clips in order? try the playlists: kzbin.info/aero/PLJLrwliG1p4agVKG3DDgbANDefOOP_SB8 kzbin.info/aero/PLJLrwliG1p4bv177Ea-wS9V8l9iqlObLp :)

[@NinjaOnANinja]

@@tjwparso If you feel that way, fine. Im sure I'm nor alone btw but alright

[@AFGeneralBillyMitchell]

He does not look fine. He looks mostly dead already.

[@nachoman]

I hate how the sappy music kicks in to tell the audience how to feel. let the actors act

[@christopherg2347]

Wait, the Pakled retreived him from space? Oh the fools!

[@Dowlphin]

If only it had been a certain trader and purveyor of unique items instead.

[@GugilusVugilusMagnus]

Ah yes, hill billy army, our greatest asset.

[@iaing335]

Everything these days is Woke 😢

[@maverickrhodes9892]

I'm surprised, because everyone is "woke" now

[@sirannikus]

Just reinstall Windows!

[@haddy106]

Lore still cares

[@jasongooden917]

The Diana Troy character was a waste of time

[@1madDogz]

beans are gross