I made a UFC Elo Engine. Who's highest rated?

[@TrixsterProductions]

you put two guys in a room and who walks out? Also pt2 out now!(with peak elos:))

[@VedantVohra-dy6ds]

Jon 🦴 Jones

[@jcvp2493]

​@@VedantVohra-dy6dsElementary, my dear Watson

[@everydaffodil5344]

Who has the biggest elo peak

[@razzledazzle9971]

​@@VedantVohra-dy6dsTom aspinall beats him. He got beat by Dominic Reyes (bad judging)

[@wolf1yug]

Jon Jones

[@PakWaluigi742]

pereira being 0.01 over adesanya is great tbh

[@None-s3d]

How

[@PakWaluigi742]

@@None-s3d idk it just kinda ties their story together, and the i dont even know how low the chances are of them being that close in terms of the elo score

[@seradjlarfi6905]

​@@None-s3dbecause pereira is like reverse flash to adesanya.

[@yhg519]

Q

[@Belac02]

But realistically, he's many, many points over.. Pereria is far superior to Israel "The Last Dogtoucher" Bumesanya

[@willsan2057]

You should've ranked by peak elo, that's the way Mr. V's garage did it.

[@Wallahi13]

“Let me make the exact same video as someone else”

[@user-ki4xw2rb8q]

Does this mean that Jon Jones actually is the best p4p?😮

[@bjwkusgxjdks]

Ooohh

[@SESO420]

​@@Wallahi13"let me copy something but make it worse for the sake of being diffrent" no pun intended this video is great and i would love it if somebody made this for boxing although the top guys would probably be some random boxers in the 40s having 300+ fights

[@uberneanderthal]

exactly, Anderson gets punished for continuing to fight while Khabib gets rewarded for retiring early.

[@jakebishop7822]

Would be very interesting to see the list of highest peak elo's since presumably people like Silva, Volk, and Tony Ferguson might have peaked quite high

[@jonasstrmgren7326]

YES!! Was about to comment the same. Who were at the top at different eras? Who were at the top the longest? When did prominent fighters peak? I'd watch two hours of stats for each division

[@curvedinfinity]

Please do this

[@anitagolian7598]

Its interested that he didn't think to even do that, when he mentioned Anderson being low elow the first thing I thought about was peak Elo

[@krogan3760]

I just wrote the same type of comment, it was a good video but the result is faulty to say the least. The GOAT debate has absolutely nothing to do with their ELO when they retried, it's actually completely irrelevant.

[@olivierclaverie6722]

i went here to make the same comment... must be done! ( please)

[@nathanhartono91]

MMA Math does not exi….

[@nolanduarte]

Where is nick diaz and BJ Penn, and the guys who looks like Mike Haggar?

[@RealGigaMind]

MMA Algebra, Calculus all exist.

[@lukagotsiridze7442]

Alex being bigger than adesanya by the smallest possible margin is most alex thing to do

[@leonthethird7494]

well now hes plus 15ish elo I would guess over him after his latest win.

[@КэтЛеоно]

You should have also tried to calculate highest careeer ELOs. Your algorithm calculates ELO as of right now, so people who retired on top or active champions have advantage over great fighters who had decline. Career high ELO would be better for GOAT list

[@TrixsterProductions]

That’s true. while it does save only the latest current elo of a fighter, I have a function written to tell me all the fights any fighter I want to search up has, may be good to do some justice for Anderson

[@jonathanbeedell2883]

@@TrixsterProductionsanother video, another video

[@zuseer516]

@@TrixsterProductions yes do it

[@OliverGuiterman]

@@TrixsterProductions Yeah do another quick video of highest PEAKS in the ufc by ELO

[@OliverGuiterman]

@@TrixsterProductions And then maybe you can AVERAGE their peak ELO and end ELO and rank them all.

[@KS-nc5kv]

I think it would be great to also add a ratio for the type of win: Exemple: finish (ko/sub) is 3 points UD is 2 pts Split is 1 (Majority decisions somewhere there too) Or something like that... It would show the dominance of the fighter in his fights and could give interesting results imo

[@Kyle-zb7dm]

Honestly you could go a step further and do this with a point differential over the 3 judges scorecards for a more accurate idea of how dominant a decision was

[@gnm4]

Yes the engine is sorely missing this

[@tuckerjolley7739]

Yeah this is a good idea

[@arturbeetj]

Great idea. A huge bottleneck for me is that the elo is based on quantitative data only, excluding qualitative factors like win type, dominance, score, etc

[@casualdestruction]

Bad idea. He should avoid using subjective data as much as possible to keep the model clean

[@charliecharlie846]

7:21 Saying this while completely ignoring the fact Whittaker was at a 1200+ ELO above all of them hurts me deeply as a Robert Knuckles fan

[@TrixsterProductions]

Sheeeshh must’ve missed it😅

[@FoggyTheHippo]

Robert Whittaker is confirmed the greatest MW of all time. As a fellow big Bobby Knuckles fan, who considers him to be my favorite fighter of all time I fully support this conclusion. I also noticed how when he stated the list of MW GOATS, I had to double check and was like “nah you’re missing someone here.

[@pablobarallat9191]

That’s current elo, the peak elo will show the best primes, and the avarage will elo (in his entire carrer) will probably be the best answer for the actual goat (plus taking in consideration the prime a bit like an extra)

[@asgdsadgas]

Crazy good quality video man

[@TrixsterProductions]

❤️

[@bensnuts9694]

My dog literally watches your videos. Whenever he hears your voice, he jumps onto my desk to just watch. Love from Canada!

[@NikolaRakicDjesPoslaMala]

weird flex but okay

[@TrixsterProductions]

W dog, W Canada

[@pepiatria3501]

Keep it away from izzy

[@EG-mw8kp]

W dog, L canada

[@victorsilvapacheco9630]

As a chess enthusiast, MMA enjoyer, and Minecraft veteran, your channel is music for my ears. Your channel deserves more subs! Ps: can't wait for your next upload about peak MMA elos

[@TrixsterProductions]

Sheesh I checked all the boxes for this guy I guess 😂

[@Vellichor358]

Super cool, hope you do follow-ups in the future and maybe even compare fighters' peak elos rather than just the current snapshot

[@TrixsterProductions]

I think I shall! 😁

[@DanaWhiteMMA]

awesome video i told my friend we needed this in MMA just a few weeks ago!! so happy you made this engine!

[@colemusser9779]

video was awesome dude, wish there was a way for it to get seen by more. well deserved!

[@mr.nobody2515]

ELO doesn’t mean who is the GOAT accurately, it’s only showing someone’s performance in specific circumstances in the sport. If you rate ufc fighters using the chess elo system you have to know that elo doesn’t really show who is the best in history, as Bobby Fischer was way above his opposition in chess having only an 2780 elo peak, while without a doubt being considered third best player in history, and then Magnus is the best by elo with 2882 peak, while Kasparov had insane 2851 for his time, when it was even harder to get such rating. So Khabibs elo can’t really effectively rate how great he was, his division was very evenly rated with fighter losing to each other, and not having any single dominant fighter besides him same as with Fischer, it doesn’t mean that Khabibs opposition was weaker, but that the division was more even than now. Another example: English premier league and la liga - Historically many English teams won the league, and every season (besides modern City domination) was a very unpredictable outcome. But La liga had only 3 serious winners, two of which had won it most of the time, so by elo rating we could probably say that Man city or Man United is better than Barca and Real? Only cause of they had “harder opposition”? But then historically we see that Spanish teams actually dominated English teams in the Champions League and UEL… So Elo is a very subjective thing to measure how great someone was

[@weignerleigner3037]

Yeah I feel like with elo you have to take into consideration everyone else competing. To get a high elo you need to beat high elo and like with Fischer he was 2790 but I don’t think there was a single other player who was 2700 or above. He would have to basically never lose and play more and more games and even then his rise would be super incremental. With mma I feel like elo doesn’t work there’s too many subjective variables like wear and tear, age, etc. like with Jon jones he beat a lot of great legends but were they still great when he fought them? They were old and towards the end of their careers. Plus the parameters like nowadays guys fight once a year or even two years if they are champs. In chess they wouldn’t let that fly if you are that inactive they might not even rank you.

[@mr.nobody2515]

Agree with you, I just wanted to clarify that, cause to think that Belal is greater than Khabib by elo is just ridiculous lol, if he stayed longer I honestly don’t know if anyone could have stopped him. Jones got majority of those points fighting a veterans so it’s also quite subjective

[@ethandivv8550]

this video is actually sick, and the elo system seems surprisingly accurate

[@graemetang4173]

Oh this is gonna blow up isn't it

[@Robert399]

That's a really cool idea! Seems like the results consistently overvalue wins against over-the-hill opponents though and undervalue wins against dangerous contenders. Might need calibrating so fighters gain and lose Elo faster.

[@kwopps]

Trixter productions has started UFC content… it’s over for these other guys . Keep it up dude !

[@trevorhicks6070]

😁😁

[@OzzySanz16]

You could do Elo graphs that show the ups and downs of each fighter, when they were at their peak and at their lowest

[@RoZaxTheGreat]

this

[@macrubit]

I doubt there is enough data to make them meaningful.

[@genericname2821]

this was actually cool as fuck great video

[@StefhanJKR]

Bro this is actually really really cool. Instant Subscribe. But you need to do one thing, you need to show the ranking based on peak elo, and the ranking based on current elo.

[@EmeralArcher]

Jones and Magnus walk into a room and Jon will get out of the room with a higher elo

[@charmanater]

It's true

[@paladico]

Amazing video! Some suggestions if you want to work on a v2: - Add some depreciation mechanic to adjust for inactivity. - Maybe use age or time in the ufc (or both) as weights for K to adjust for where in their career a fighter is. - Maybe you can also use the amount of fighters in the weightclass at the time of the bout as weights as well for K. To penalize less competitive divisions. - You could also have a sort of buffer calculation for a fighters first fight. Or have two parallel elos one that starts from 1000 and another that starts from the elo of the debutant's first rival. And use an average of both until they converge. Loved the content if any of this sounds interesting and you would like to chat about it, hit me up.

[@oscar278]

This is crazy. I was just thinking about the idea of ELO based rankings in the UFC. Super cool stuff

[@Viewer2715]

Great video! this video shows the current level of each fighter which is useful for real time ranking but not useful for the GOAT discussion, for example Anderson Silva is arguably the GOAT but it's not reflected in this ranking because this counts all the losses he took after he exited his prime. For the GOAT debate to be settled you need to rank each fighter according to the peak elo rating they reached. Subscribed! you should make another video ranking fighters according to their peak elo rating to see who's the Greatest Of All Time. Cant wait to see it!

[@HPloveCraftsCat1352]

The GOAT discussion rightfully includes any given fighters entire career, you can't just cherry pick one aspect the make it more favorable any fighter of choice, it's on Anderson for not retiring when he should have and his resume suffered as a result, while fighters like Khabib, GSP and Mighty Mouse (and soon to be Jon Jones probably) retired as champions and coming of wins. Talking about a fighters peak it's a different discussion, the GOAT debate takes in *ALL* aspects of a fighters career, highs and lows etc...

[@shaheenjazrawi2073]

Videos like this are great and super interesting! Looking forward to more like it.

[@acidd4681]

will this be updated in future bouts? this is genuinely one of the coolest resources i've ever seen

[@TrixsterProductions]

Yes! I plan to update it

[@mikaeldoust]

Waiting for the ufcelo website…

[@Jets262]

Very cool vid. I wonder how this ranking would change if you somehow were able to incorporate data from other mma leagues. In particular, Demetrious Johnson retired on a loss in the UFC in 2018, but then he went on to be the ONE flyweight champ for some years 🤔.

[@PauIdenino]

He mentioned Ryan Bader for some reason but not DJ

[@TrixsterProductions]

@@Jets262 true, I think for pt3 in a way to make it bigger I will incorporate data from one championship/bellator/strike force, etc. as well , but it’s just matter of like is 1000 elo a good starting place to start as well for those fighters? One has Muay Thai matches as well as mma matches, lots of new things to figure out and plan first haha

[@Notstephjr]

Although a bit more complicated, I think the glicko-2 rating system would be more applicable to mma as it takes into account the consistency of performances as well as inactivity.

[@TrixsterProductions]

Noted!

[@kingkobra948]

What a sick video! This was a great watch

[@kingarthur2765]

Great video

[@ВладиславШадрин-з9з]

This is one of the best videos about UFC, I would 100% watch a follow up explaining each fighters placement

[@nebferrell]

More UFC maths please!!! Maybe a boxing Elo one also? Would be super interested in appylying ELO to any sports that don't already use it

[@andrewnormand7787]

This was a great video bro, very interesting results.

[@awkwardsaxon9418]

The elo all time high would be interesting too. So you See where they were "at heir prime"

[@agee1961]

This was sick. well done friend

[@wealthycow5625]

This is a great video! I think, if you ever wanted to expand on this concept a bit, having graphs of elo over time for the top fighters would be better than just their final elo score. It gives a more complete picture of their career, and is how things like chess are evaluated too.

[@eliaskjrbo8142]

You should make a graph of fighters through the ages with their elos on the y-axis. As it moves along the x-axis we see the rise and fall of the great fighters

[@AtTheEast18]

Have been thinking about this for years. Haha finally someone made one. Just about to watch .Interesting to see how one solves baseline measures. Particularly the lineage of past results.

[@Keb_Le]

Super cool idea. Great video!

[@vlaicurabca6987]

I look at Chase Sherman’s record on Sherdog and the guy is literally the definition of a tough guy, he looks like a Middleweight yet he fights at HW and has 18 wins, 17 of them being KO’s, he’s definetely a one trick pony but also a tough guy

[@YozzaOG]

This is fantastic and the best argument anyone ever created when it comes to whos the goat... turns out you are the goat, good shit

[@FZA1903]

This is very interesting, great video. I'd love to see a more in depth breakdown, including things like, what was someone like Anderson Silva's peak elo. But yeah great vid

[@taitime3873]

Actually a really amazing video, such a cool experiment that leads to so many different questions like “how much influence does a streak and hype factor into a fighter’s perceived skill?” “In what ways are humans’ methods of judgement different from a computer’s statistic pov judgement?”

[@sudazima]

having watched MrV i knew this would be fun and i also knew you would run face first into some of the same issues he had

[@Okboomer9286]

Same I was thinking that the video was similar aswell

[@Gevinyr]

sick video idea and execution!

[@topgeartim]

Thank you so much for this video

[@youngclueless7364]

The UFC roster watch team also has an elo rating system where they use an initial rating of 2200 and a k factor of 200. In their ranking, islam's current elo rating is the highest amongst the current roster but interestingly, he also has the highest rating of all time including peaks.

[@lordkelvin1]

love this 😄 It's the perfect video for us in the subsection of UFC fans who watch it for the nerdy intricacies and less for the violence.

[@ThePhantum]

This is a great video I would love to see you do another video like this for all other major fight promotions and combine the lists since it has a bias towards fighters that fought most of their fights in ufc

[@aiden4016]

As a 8 year UFC fan and a computer science major, this video is so sick! Well done!

[@Valdezcreations]

You should make a social media account that continues to track their ELO. That’d be pretty sick

[@TrixsterProductions]

@@Valdezcreations ngl pretty good idea

[@joster6268]

Insane quality video bro

[@mrtastyshots]

very cool ideia, well done

[@omarshaaban100]

great work man, keep it up

[@okdre9276]

This was so interesting! So much potential to refine the engine and to do more stuff with it. jimmyhighroller kinda vibes from a basketball perspective

[@MadDogHux]

Love the video. Part II - Compare highest peaks both in highest Elo as Champion post-fight and then compare most Elo gained as champion over time.

[@juangomez2014]

Great job! Thats a superb way to rank fighters, just like chess. It would be awesome if you could do a “peak” Elo ranking.

[@DasGuntLord01]

Love this, I'm doing something similar for cricket. You saved historical elo data, which means you can calculate who had the highest elo on any given date. It means you can show us who was most dominant at their peak (like in the case of Anderson Silva). Make a neat graph!

[@reneheijnen6288]

Hey, I think this is a very interesting project. Great job. :)

[@KeeganTaylor-g2b]

Great video. Hella creative 🔥

[@Ace_T22]

Looks like ur a UFC KZbinr now🤝🔥

[@jasperb2035]

Great video, well executed

[@BlaBlaBlaInDaHouse]

Good stuff, very interesting results

[@Spammit-ye4vw]

I think measuring them and discussing them by peak elo instead of final elo wouldve been more interesting / consistent with how people actually feel about many of these fighters especially ones who had a rougher end to their careers like anderson Silva cool video though, very cool also you shouldve added a column to count down from jones being 1 instead of keeping the row labeling that shows jon as #2 for video clarity / readability @4:57

[@Randomyoutubecommenter]

*Chase Sherman sees this* Chase Sherman: grindset time

[@TrixsterProductions]

@@Randomyoutubecommenter Jon jones better watch out

[@mr_jx_69420]

Bro..I also watch Mr. V. The thumbnail alone reminded me of that video. Nice job bro

[@Ace_T22]

UFC KZbin needs a guy that’s like what JxmyHighroller is to NBA. I think ur that guy.

[@Ace_T22]

Someone that breaks down stats and and makes graphs and stuff like that

[@TrixsterProductions]

I love jxmy highroller

[@Ace_T22]

@@TrixsterProductions Keep making good UFC content and take some note from what he does w the NBA and you could be as big as him.

[@isaiahwilhite5980]

Love this man. Something people always wanna argue: “Strength of Opponent”. Like you said, some ratings are a little interesting because of fall offs at the end of a career. Great vid man

[@LiamPowell-Jones]

It’d be interesting to look into fighters peak elo as well

[@halo99yo]

Would love to see a more tuned elo system in the future. One idea is if a fighter is on a downward trajectory (falling out of prime or over 35yo) maybe use derivatives to guess their current (lower) elo, this way if they get beaten by, for example Dricus, Dricus won't gain too many elo and neither would the loser lose too many elo.

[@cf8162]

Very interesting video. You gained a sub ❤

[@Dark_Knight2610]

great idea my man

[@losnos79]

man I would love to see this again with the list being the all time peak ELO of each fighter! also hilarious pereira beating adesanya by a fraction of a point lmao

[@micaevski]

This is great! I love the idea. But you should also compare peak ELO not only current ELO.

[@someguyoninternet641]

Belal on 6th GOAT list surely was not on my bingo card.

[@TrixsterProductions]

Yk I was just tryna remember his name the other day

[@msio625]

@@TrixsterProductions I wont tolerate this Belal disrespect 🤬🤬🤬🤬

[@threecubed3]

Great video bro, here before it goes viral

[@kidMMA4000]

Cool video! It would be awesome to see a part 2 with updated logic regarding calculating loss streaks and maybe even dominance in fights. I think the current program is more representative of how good fighters are after their last fight, but not taking loss streaks into account because Jon Jones for example(bad example) might be way worse then he was a few years ago but since his ELO was already so high, it'll take a while for his ELO to represent his falloff.

[@Laspoty]

This is what todays UFC needed. Thank you!

[@Jonnybois]

Hey Man! great idea! But i think it would also make sense for fighters to gain more elo fighting higher levels of competition even tough they are more similarly ranked. I think it would work much better considering most fighters have a "prime" of about 6 fights. And those six fights should be the most important. Alex peirera beating adesanya is way more impressive than rodriges beating zellhuber. Even they both had similair betting lines:)

[@Theemulletman]

great vid mate

[@Themichaelquinn]

Hey man I just checked ur channel out this is your best video as of recently I think you should do more ufc analytics like this not all of us fans are crayon eaters

[@fernandoacosta8237]

very good, i enjoyed the snippet of your python code

[@BIGMFINSTYLES]

Oh man this is a great video. I always thought Islam is underrated on the goat conversation and this kinda explains my logic

[@ahp6024]

I have 2 recommendations, one was already addressed in other comments and that is using peak ELO, and the other is trying to rerun the list with a variable debut value. I made an ELO a long time ago, and used the matchmaking as a reference point. I assigned the debuting fighter the value of their opponent minus a small amount, as i think its unfair to rank a dude like michael chandler the same as someone coming in off the contender series. You'll get some weird ones like Kris Moutinho getting a crazy bump off o'malley, but I think its worth considering.

[@alexIVMKD]

Great effort on this

[@viniciuslongo4622]

Should have done with their all time peak rating, that's what we do in chess when it comes to all time ranking. Pretty cool project nvtl!

[@TrixsterProductions]

Sheesh u shojld check pt 2 :)

[@darkability1393]

Damn this was awesome. Thank you so much for uploading the data set too, I was gonna ask for it. Really high quality video, nice job. Would you mind if I go through the results and put the top 5 max elos in the comments? If you're planning to make another video then I don't wanna steal/ruin it, but I'm thinking it'd be a fun project

[@TrixsterProductions]

Hahah I just put up a community post about Anderson’s peak elo. Definitely doing an update video next :)

[@gardineros5143]

I've always thought the UFC should use an elo system for rankings. They could modify their algorithm to take in so many different stats and calculations too - it could be whatever they want it to be. A simple chess elo system is probably too simple, but with enough different metrics to weigh (luckily the UFC already tracks a lot of stats) you could probably make something really effective. It would just be nice for the rankings to not be completely arbitrary.

[@SimonVids]

Wow, that must have taken a lot of time... Impressive!

[@YappingForChrist]

Im sure it would be a pain but consider highest ever ELO!! Great video

[@johndesouzamonteiro1179]

Great video bro! Another niche mma channel called Full Guard Frenzy made a reaction and had a few great suggestions about what to do with your engine. Collab would be sick!

[@TrixsterProductions]

I just saw it! I'd be so down for a collar

[@klausuhl5172]

awesome man! thanks!

[@willh1219]

Would be super interesting to do this across all promotions and have every fighter start at 1000 elo when they start fighting rather than when they joined the UFC. Then incoming prospects that are more and less hyped would have appropriate ratings

[@NoertANobleName]

Awesome video thank you

[@TheI3utcher]

Let me begin by saying thanks for such an incredible and engaging video. As a long time UFC fan it was fascinating to see where your numbers landed. Great work and what an provocative video idea! I would like to add a few things to your ELO system. It seems to me that there are a few bias results that I feel should be addressed. 1. This seems to be a problem with the ELO system as a whole. If someone has a lot of matches, there is a higher number of chances to get more ELO. Someone with a 70% winrate with enough fights can be higher rated than someone with fewer fights and undefeated or very few loses (1 or 2). I like Bader and he was amazing but it is clear that he is not better than some of these fighters below them. He probably lost to some of the fighters below him. 2. I should also say that we would be more interested in their maximum ELO as that would better reflect the fighter in their prime and not penalize fighters that fought well past their prime. 3. Lastly I would like to see points awarded to fighters that become champion and defend the belt successfully. Make these changes and I think we see a more accurate version of who is the greatest. ***side note, maybe subtract points for fighters that popped for PEDs. like half of all the points for every fight before their most recent suspension. Thanks for reading if you did. You get a sub from me.

[@Ponas_Lukas]

I thought that we needed this for a long time. But i think finishes should give more elo than dec wins. Great job anyways