I mapped my entire apartment’s Wi-Fi signal

So you've got crappy Wi-Fi. What do you do when you’ve rebooted your router, checked all your cables, called your ISP, and your Wi-Fi still fails you? Obviously, you model the physics of Wi-Fi moving through space. And then test the math, square foot by square foot. Becca Farsace and Cory Zapatka teamed up to learn more about how science can help.
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[@VergeScience]

What other tech should we look at from a science perspective?

[@reformed1trick739]

Competitive online games, especially First Person Shooters like Overwatch and Call of Duty. What's the science behind gamers reaction times, accuracy and insane spatial awareness inside a virtual world? Does the brain process the information from this digital world differently? What parts of the brain are responsible for being good at videogames?

[@chrisk8208]

The 1500 plus studies showing the deleterious effects of EMF might be a good place to start? Maybe the centre of her bed is the best place for her to sleep. :) Can't be asked? Non ionising radiation perfectly safe? It's OK, these actual scientists have that covered. mdsafetech.org/

[@TallTexasGMan]

Mesh Network vs Access Points with CAT 6e home runs.

[@butch3217]

A huge cause of lag/latency is bufferbloat. SQM fixes this. Most consumer routers do not have SQM.

[@chrisk8208]

@@enckil There is silly money in telecommunications. Wherever silly money is available to corporations, they protect their financial interests. We just don't matter to them.

[@reformed1trick739]

I love that the final solution was: "I just run an ethernet cable" Lol 😂😂😂

[@chiragarora2827]

Same. But smartly enough, I installed another Wifi router on the other end.

[@ARKEN570NE]

Mesh networking ftw. Or you know move the router out from behind the brick

[@0berholzer]

Bruh spoiler

[@CalvinJary]

You can do a mesh network, you can also do ethernet over power outlet

[@manus5423]

very wise, thats also better for your health and wifi in your bedroom even worse. I have a long enough cable that runs neatly along the walls. Always a faster and more consistent connection.

[@faheydesign]

How about a follow up: Does moving the wifi router to a center point in the apartment fix the issue?

[@ssayuriss]

this!!

[@tbhinteractieve]

Spoiler: it actually does solve a big part of the issue

[@joeljames2829]

@@tbhinteractieve I mean like in my case I can't do that cuz it's fiber optics and that uses a media converter which is inputed by the fiber cable So you can't really change the postion of the wifi Ps. My walls are made of concrete lmao

[@iganarendra]

Well as an telecommunication engineering student, i'd say, depends on your apartment layout tho, but worth to try because remember that modern ONT's antenna radiate the signal to all directions. So just try to imagine where to put your lamp (since they radiate in a same way)

[@ChuckBoMomy]

Yes it will help massively. Instead of a lightbulb in the centre of your living room. Use a router trust me now your signal will go 360° instead of next to a wall to lose 180° of wifi through the wall. Why to u think most business put a wifi signal in the centre of the hallway.

[@afromillenials2313]

My neighbours WiFi is bad.... I've even stopped giving their password out

[@sarveshpatil453]

Lol🤣

[@vvilliam29]

LOL. Man makes me wonder...

[@Deathwarrior115]

So let me get this straight .. They measured stuff and did nothing with it to help with the wifi signal ... Bruh i feel like i wasted time on this vid :/

[@JorgeSilvestrini]

Deathwarrior Yeah, I loved the video... But I did miss the, let’s add this little gadget here to improve WiFi everywhere.

[@lonerider68]

I think this was just an attempt to show off the science. I mean it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that if you put your wifi router on one side of your home, the signal is going to be worse through multiple walls on the other side of the home. Either put it in the middle if possible, or use Nest/Eero mesh wifi, or use some type of PowerLine ethernet (basically it plug into your wall outlet and you have ethernet going in/out).

[@reesewilson]

Moca networking is often better than mesh or ethernet over power lines. If you have coax connections, it's definitely worth looking into, either moca wifi extenders or directly to an ethernet cable

[@spacerace8598]

Thanks . therefore I don't watch this video

[@JonoSSD]

Also, I checked the app and, although useful, it's very basic. It doesn't let you choose between 2.4 and 5GHz, which can spread very differently through the same environment.

[@naramoro]

Why no heatmap/ simulation comparisons?? Pretty lukewarm as far as a "science" episode goes.

[@benwest5293]

Yeah seriously. They spent this effort on rendering the map in 3D space when it would've just been more useful to just compare the darn maps

[@itsJPhere]

Indeed. They didn't talk about solutions to poor reception either, I was looking forward to that. Running an ethernet cable isn't always possible or practical.

[@ሕያው]

@@itsJPhere just buy routers with repeaters

[@ARKEN570NE]

Seriously buy a mesh

[@Ecupable]

Yes! I was thinking the same thing. Got a bit annoyed that they didn't do a comparison. Sure, the 3D overlay was cool and all... but simulation vs. observation would have been the highlight of the video.

[@2cliques]

Not everything is signal strength. You're also greatly influenced by the noise coming from competing routers nearby. Picture yourself in a bar having a conversation with a friend. If you move around the bar you'll hear your friend better or worse, but it can change with the amount of things around you AND if there are other people talking, and how loud.

[@sqlevolicious]

@@OwlBlancx No, that's BS. Completely different radio bandwidth.

[@seasong7655]

This is also what they do for whole cities, when setting up cell towers. Not only in 2D but also in 3D maps

[@international-arms-dealer]

we also do this for clients when designing wireless networks for their facilities.. skyscrapers, industrial plants, etc.. there is huge money in it.

[@ninjanerdstudent6937]

I would like to see a video about that.

[@06howea1]

Finding the software to do this is insane hard

[@sqlevolicious]

@@06howea1 That's becasue it's custom built by software and network engineers. It's actually the industry I work in as a network technician.

New tenant: Is there something else I should know about the apartment? Becca: Yeah, don’t lay in the middle of the bed.

[@gdnh]

Y'all never heard of mesh wifi?

[@shryx86]

For a place that small it wouldn't be worth the cost. A better DNS service, better standalone router, or simply move the router. It would've been nice for them to have some kind of resolution to the video instead of going "yep already knew wifi was bad there". For the guy in the video, hardwire is the only way to go for the large video file sizes editors deal with.

[@SerpentDrago]

@@shryx86 dns has nothing to do with wifi signal.

[@shryx86]

@@SerpentDrago I agree, but sometimes it's just the transfer speeds. I had an issue that was resolved with switching to Google's DNS service. There are other ones, but I prefer theirs. I've done this with fiber and cable based service always with an increase in responsiveness. You could try another broadcast channel too. It's always cheaper to try a settings adjustment than getting new hardware.

[@burtjohnson3848]

@@shryx86 - I put in an EERO mesh, and it made all the difference in the world. Depends, I suppose, on the wall construction. Ours is all concrete, and our TV could not pick up reliable signal most of the time. Our MagicJack would also drop out if you walked a few feet while talking. Putting the EERO in solved all that, and we now have solid signal throughout the 4 bedroom apartment.

[@ChuckBoMomy]

I have been using a wifi powerline whit my clients trust me before u start complaining. 2020 powerlines can reach speeds of 400mbps fast enough for 80% of USA internet speeds. And its stil better than wifi

[@HenriqueOz]

0 - 7:52 - Science 7:52 - end: Engineering

[@benm.4117]

That felt like half a video - where they diagnosed the issue but completely disregarded the solution.

[@felipevasconcelos6736]

Science is when you do pretty graphics, right?

[@hkyt21]

I forgot exactly which model but a Roomba can make the wifi map of your house or room.

[@VahidShirvani]

I own Roomba 980 and it can make a WiFi map but only for 2.4Ghz and not 5Ghz band.

[@luispedrogonzalez5738]

Having WiFi problems: The Verge: measures everything in the apartment and runs simulations. Me: Presses restart button on the router

[@hilal_younus]

Heh, it’s worth the wait eh?

[@smashandburnyt6938]

Verge Science: Complains about poor wifi signals Me and everyone in the Philippines: First time?

[@ghostnoodle9721]

Americans: We've been doing this for a while

[@shivaniarunkumar1248]

When you get a bad signal...sit near the router ..or take your router and plug it near an opening..

[@MalaysianTropikfusion]

Wait, what did I learn from this video? 😵

[@devildham]

Get a mesh network.

[@julianmurillo4678]

that Ethernet is the best

[@StephenOrion]

use an unsightly cable lol

[@MalaysianTropikfusion]

@@julianmurillo4678 Is there a way to connect an ethernet cable to devices like the iPad, PS4/5, Nintendo Switch, and ultrathin laptops? I don't have them, but just wondering...

[@julianmurillo4678]

@@MalaysianTropikfusion You can get a Ethernet to lighting adapter and to mini Ethernet. The PS4 has a dedicated Ethernet port

[@Jonathan.mp4]

For a techie she really thought having a router behind her TV not in the middle of her apparement really thinking if she deserves the tech savvy card 🙄😂

[@xerotoninz]

so lets improve the wifi by moving the router. lmao nah bruv you like blue 3d squares instead?

[@hilal_younus]

But cable management 😬..

[@NetMaestro2009]

Trust KZbin to have a answer for ANY problem! I have been going down this path of trying to fix Wifi Coverage issue and was going down a very similar path as shown in this video. I had tried powerline extenders (not that great), finally upgraded to 1 GB fiber ISP which meant the extenders cannot support those speeds. I finally decided to add another router (placed in my bedroom) to my existing one (dining room, both ASUS AC models) , hooked them up using ASUS's AiMESH feature with a good old Cat 6 cable. Now, I am happy. Getting 400+ Mbps in my bedroom and I am smiling. P.S. I have been around when 9.6Kbps was THE thing to have (remember the modem handshake tone?) so unbelievable that we have come this far in about 25 years.

[@moeh.4866]

& I was waiting the whole video for a suggested solution..

[@davenz000]

Tech person doesn't understand WiFi, enough said.

[@iStudLion]

It kinda depends in what you specialize

[@bbowling4979]

But he's got a microscope on his kitchen table! He must be a scientist!

[@JonoSSD]

I'm not surprised that Verge's tech people don't know where to properly put a wifi router.

[@Ariccio123]

I did the wifi surveys for Yankee Stadium using Ekahau. It's a huge job, and lots of things interact with the signal quality. Noise from other access points was the biggest problem!

[@mikeg9b]

This reminds me of when I made an elevation map of my backyard using a laser level and a tape measure.

[@__-pl3jg]

I perform heat mapping and WIFI troubleshooting as my day job for an ISP. The very FIRST thing they should have done was look for other EM interference. There are several phone apps that show a "radar" GUI of all the 2.4ghz and 5ghz signals overlapping one another. If shes in an apartment then her router is competing for air space from all the neighbors. The solution is to either move the router to a more centralized location, or to get one with stronger output (essentially a louder output to drown out the neigbors routers). Or also depending on how much interference there is she could use a repeater or a separate wireless AP (access point) to get a strong signal in other rooms.

[@Runner50783]

Every time I give The Verge the benefit of the doubt, they disappoint. Tech people how know nothing about tech

[@nastycricket9845]

A very good starting point if you have bad wi-fi at home. I would say that physically mapping in that way wouldn't help much, but at least gives the perspective of how the wi-fi works. Here is the solution: make the map in the first app. Check accuracy with a speed test in a couple of locations (low and high signal). If you are happy with the accuracy you can proceed with simulating the router in different locations. After you found the perfect spot, get long enough cable and take the router there. Again check the accuracy of the map using speed test. If you are happy with the results you would just need to figure out if you would install extension socket or hide the cable somehow. There you go the wi-fi is fixed. Some tips from me: avoid glass, metal and electrical devices near the router; Don't put the router on the floor or on the window cell; If you have glass doors opening the door does miracles. In some cases, the problem is not from the location of the router but interference from other wi-fi networks. In such cases, there is another fix available. You need to go to your router's settings page. Usually, the address is either 192.168.0.0 or 192.168.0.1. This is noted on the back/bottom of most routers and also the login details for the page. This excludes most providers routers, so you might need to call them for the login details. Once you are in that page you would be looking for something that would say wireless/ wi-fi or wireless settings. Under the wireless network settings there would be something saying desired channel/channel with numbers from 1 to 13 as options. Select any number and apply. Test if it doesn't work try another and so on. Easier way is to check the surrounding networks using CMD with command - netsh wlan show networks bssid. Once you have the surrounding network's channels you can select one that's not around you. Hope this helps :)

[@RennieAsh]

“I didn’t think the simulation would do such a great job” Guy : so I want you to manually map it out instead “You know I think the simulation did a great job”

[@brockevans7236]

The internet is a super dynamic system with servers, switching stations, fiber lines under the oceans, etc. You might as well pick points with schrodinger's equation than "map" your wifi. This was an exercise in futility.

[@huanglilian1106]

I am the developer of Oka Speed Test iOS app. I was shocked in the past two days because of the sudden increase in downloads of this app. I didn't know what happened until I found out here. After watching this awesome video, I feel that it is time to add an AR mode to this app. It may not be useful, but it must be cool. LOL

[@k091-d9i]

Very cool, how complicated was the app to develop?

[@huanglilian1106]

@@k091-d9i The ARKit provided by Apple makes implementing AR functionality much easier than it used to be. But this will be my first attempt at developing an AR app. I'll have to take some time to design it properly and pray there are no bugs.

[@champ8080]

Have been working from home for the last 5 months. My Wi-Fi signal bothered me a lot. Bought a new router with 5 antennas and an extender but it didn't help much. Finally migrated to mesh Wi-Fi and have been never been happier. Signal is strong in every part of the house and I stream 4K and get into video calls with Zero reduction in quality. So, go mesh!!!

[@shryx86]

Or find a better place for the router, check the DNS settings, and make sure the router's firmware is up to date. You can also change the channel it broadcasts on for a better signal. Unfortunately, if you have a large house, brick walls, etc there's not much you can do and mesh wifi would be the only solution.

[@champ8080]

​@@shryx86 In fact, I did find a better place using Wi-FiSweetSpots app. But in order to place the router in that location, the LAN cable had to travel half of my home, on the floor. Ducting did not make sense in terms of price and effort. I did try moving to Cloudflare DNS and installing a PiHole system for better bandwidth management, but I was not happy. So again, go mesh! :-)

[@Weaseltube]

Love how they overlook what should have been the obvious solution before all the testing; move the router away from the brick corner into a more central, open area of the apartment. My own solution is to have the slowest internet plan available, so I can't differentiate any potential WiFi bottleneck compared to my normal wired connection quality.

[@Classsikhal]

Try WifiAR this app does the some stuff you did just in seconds 😂

[@shryx86]

It's amusing that they used an Android app for the simulation then they link to an iOS speed test app.

[@lostcowboy5]

Be sure to install "WiFi AR - most useful tool ever", there is another "WiFi AR - open wifi seeker" also.

[@reddcube]

How to improve WiFi. 1. Can you use a cable? Then use a Ethernet cable. 2. Place the router in the center of the space and up high. 3. Try 5 GHz, because 2.4GHz might be crowded. 4. Check router setting to prioritize devices. 5. Seriously just use a cable.

[@foggs]

No mention of 2.4Ghz vs 5Ghz, and channel numbers, which can make a big difference depending on what your neighbours are using

[@spicy_fiona]

This helps so much!!!! Life saviour for me to send to my parents, aunt, uncles since they keep messaging about "fixing the wifi! You're the tech person🤓😂"

[@StrixyN]

Can I just say that 0:50 is a great shot! Nicely done... whoever you are!? Cheers!

[@jhayar15]

"Tech Nerd" and can't even figure out why she has bad Wi-Fi connection

[@lmaoroflcopter]

Ekahau heatmapper. Used it for years for locating WiFi hotspots in office buildings. Walk around the building clicking as you walk around your floorplan and it's done.

[@RachelsSweetie]

When we moved into our 4-bedroom house I planned to put my router near the middle of the main floor. But at first I put it in the basement because there was a cable outlet there. And it worked fine throughout the whole house through multiple walls and floors, even the bedrooms at the corners of the second story. Over the past 20 years we've been through many routers but they've all covered the entire house just fine from that spot in the basement. It's sad that a single-floor apartment would have any issues. That first "router" was an Apple Airport flying-saucer base station that used a Lucent pcmcia card for wifi. Not much by today's standards.

[@Ryukachoo]

Forget using the app the simulate your apartments wifi dead zones, use it to find an optimal router location!, Then invest in lots of extension cables and a router wall mount

[@KrzysztofC-1]

Did not check router wifi settings to understand channels and channel width settings configured there and didn't check wifi channels congestion??? I mean yea it's plug and play, but not going to be optimal that way. Manual wifi settings + range/speed tests are the way to go.

[@davidchidester5463]

Exactly. Avoiding the default channels is really important especially in apartments.

[@ch4.hayabusa]

This is a science channel... too many vairables. I once thought I was having wifi issues... turned out I was over heating my speakers with too much voltage.

[@josephsheranda]

1. Get a better router. ISP routers are almost always cheap junk. Make sure it has removable antennas. 2. Get directional antennas. I use a Hawking corner-mount model HAI15SC. No booster needed; it runs on the router's native power. It pushes signal through all the walls of my 4 bedroom house and outside into the street. My neighbours could have great Wi-Fi if they knew the password, lol. Seriously, this video was informative, but it's purely academic. Even some basic Wi-Fi hacks to improve the signal (like not locating the router behind the damn tv) would add content to an otherwise bland eight minutes.

[@Kremit_Mr_VLC]

Have to admit, I only clicked on the vid because of the meme thumbnail. Nicely done

[@matthewwithum8372]

Too cool, great visual of wavelength and signal strength.

[@quillaja]

Did the same thing for a lab in a GIS class, except I did the entire campus and made a web map.

[@derriemoon9979]

Me, at my 148th day in quarantine:

[@skylosfoxtrot2350]

What I see in this video. Boss: "Im sorry but your are actually going to work for you know... your job." Employee: "Duh"

[@KangJangkrik]

Me and friends at rent: *JuSt BuY A gAmInG wIfI*

[@MarcLeatham]

LOL, LOVE that casual flex of the Gold Play Button at the end.

[@Kojiros7th]

For everyone struggling with wifi look up "powerline switches" these devices akin to running an ethernet cable (minus the long trip wire-like cable) throughout your house except it uses your houses electrical grid to pass signals and data from your router to your internet-connected device and visa versa. I have one and it works wonders for all the devices in my room on the 3rd floor. My router is in my basement, in my room, I have a gaming console, various computers

[@lemchakenglang9967]

I just ended up adding 10 Wifi extender in my house 😂

[@heli400]

All my buddies ran their PS3's on the Wi-Fi because "its super easy" Me: nah, I'm routing wires because I want no interruptions!

[@samphire]

Does Becca know wifi range extenders are a thing?

[@isramint]

No! : you can't just leak my apartment layout and get away with it! Haha FBI go brtrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[@yurrrfrombk4039]

Get a better router... get a access points. 𝗗𝗢𝗡𝗘

[@meloD30]

Science: I can help fix your WiFi. It will just take a little bit of work. Hoomans: **searching Amazon for cheapest ethernet cable**

[@dgates19]

Did you take into account Becca being in the way of the phone during monitoring? People absorb signals too

[@MartinMilan1234]

Thank you for a good reminder

[@06howea1]

We need more simulation tools like the one shown off in this vid That saves legacy time for design and implementation

[@TheOtherNEO]

Reminds me of a location where there was one exact spot that would have zero WiFi signal. Big open space and the access point on a desk, I can move left or right and have full signal except just there.

[@MrWhangdoodles]

They're way too bored.

[@nathanfife2890]

Oh the Verge.... there are so many ways to fix these problems and all we did was make a map and suggest a cable lol

[@gost]

Wow! They have reinvented old new NetSpot. Very innovative video.

[@jaxjaguarz]

"And I’ll never get that time back" ... and I feel the same way for watching this video.. Seriously. A tech site that doesn't already know to at least try to centralize the router within the home space? Even just moving it over a couple feet to be at the end of that little wall blocking signal would help a good amount.

[@GiancarloPaniccia]

Wireless mapping is actually something we do in the critical field of wireless fire alarm systems. Boston is doing it quite a bit.

[@aerodynamicist4]

How I dealt with a similar problems from Spectrum wifi with a Spectrum (Sagemcom) router: -Ethernet cables to all computer and game consoles -Wifi for phones and the Switch Now if Spectrum's service would stop randomly getting throttled or cut out we would have a bulletproof setup

[@hbarudi]

The code for the actual simulation needed to solve the wave equation [(partialQ/partialX)^2+(partialQ/partialY)^2=0].

[@willieabrams]

8 minutes I'll never get back. No conclusion, no solution.

[@TemporalRecall]

Moving might be considered a sort of solution 😆

[@Dansean84]

Lol her Wi-Fi name was 2 beans....

[@joshuaeliasalva2774]

You can use mesh broadbands to enhance signal strength

[@fennewald5230]

this is just wrong. As of 802.11n (most modern routers), beam forming is in the spec. this does not even consider those effects.

[@SCUBAelement-Intl]

Incredibly cool work, thank you all, this is a question I have wondered about for a long time!!

[@tsham5940]

Social distancing, check. ...Remote working , check..... Fun with science and technology, check...... Congrats on an excellent idea for a video report ;)

[@astroch]

This video... Sounds like a wasted of time. So im not taking the risk. Edit: from comments, seems like i was right.

[@qwarlockz8017]

I think this would be a great thing to add to a roomba or some walking (hexapod) or flying drone. Although I love the kick it old school with paper and pencil I can totally see strapping a phone to the roomba and having it automatically take the measurement at each 2 feet. Although really a hexabod walking around would just be cool!

[@sqlevolicious]

You can do this with AR on a pretty much any smartphone with a TOF sensor, or just optical machine learning in pretty much any recent smartphone. VR systems do this to map out play areas too. Roombas use optical tracking and machine learning to map the room they are in already too, but it's internal data that is used for memory applications to make efficiently changes to it's pattern and scaling.

[@nicdibella9708]

How is Becca Farsace not a massive youtube star...yet?

[@brianhale3678]

Seeker: *Marvels at the beautiful physics of radio waves. *Still gives no due credit to God.

[@twoheadedgoat]

That router right there has some scars.

[@Ice_Karma]

Short answer, "Screw magnets, how does WiFi work??" XD

[@nathanowen42]

Newer Roombas will map Wi-Fi for you if you ask it to.

[@tempest_dawn]

And this is why all my computers are in the same room as the modem - so the ethernet cable can be routed next to the walls and it's not nearly as unsightly.

[@Lexfinity]

She hates him by the end LMAO

[@liuzhonglin]

The iwifi app can draw the AR Wifi map with your camera of your iphone now, no need the tape

[@johnbrianneary8844]

Try a TP Link Powerline extender. Works like your cable, but uses the electric ‘harness’ of the apartment to carry the signal.

[@pivanv23]

Use a mesh with stronger cignal so it changes from many different channels if it detects interference.

[@TheGamer56Channel]

it's always the bed room

[@adigazgurt]

its sad this story has no closer.

[@architmeta]

Becca should sit on green zones only and check wifi quality to understand how accurate is the mapping.

[@southernscythe2494]

An Android mapping Wi-Fi signals... The future is bright

[@see_turtle]

Wow perfect timing: my wifi just lagged Coincidence??

[@jaypunzalan6999]

Haven't you guys heard about wifi repeater/extender?

[@Tomable_0]

*laughs in ethernet cable*

[@AwesomeSauce7176]

She's trying so hard to pretend to be excited about wifi

[@DevashishGuptaOfficial]

Wished for a similarity in comparison :(

[@guyarmandaffolaby3773]

Nest wifi is all you need

[@neeldesai5823]

If there's becca in it, I'm watching it.

[@mtjoy747]

Some of the early handsets were on the SAME frequency as the router, someone calls you, internet dies! 2.4GHz

[@TallTexasGMan]

This is one of the reasons I am a big proponent of "wired networking" whenever possible my devices receive an honest to goodness CAT 6e Ethernet Cable. I also try to group devices on the same switch so all my equipment related to the TV are run on one Gigabit Switch with an uplink to the router, my servers on another switch with a dedicated uplink to the router, ham radios dedicated switch, etc... I am also beginning the process of upgrading my routers (I now have 5 static IPs) so that I can dedicate home automation Wi-Fi on one VLAN that is completely separate from my other equipment. I am amazed at how much communication these devices have constantly, which is causing performance issues on my network particularly with DNS. The other thing that many people need to look at in addition to router placement is separate Wi-Fi Access Points with an Ethernet Cable connecting them to the router or switch. Also, turning the power down and not running maximum will improve speed too by reducing the bouncing of signals. You don't need your Wi-Fi being available to a home 10 doors down.

[@Justenphelps]

Homeboy has a microscope on his kitchen table