I ordered pro painted miniatures on Ebay - and got scammed?

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[@loki200]

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[@brionl4741]

I've gotten a couple of them for Champions (Superhero RPG) and they are pretty good. That was a couple of years ago before they had color printing though.

[@avrahamnachshonbookatz9992]

is there a promo code?

[@flowinsounds]

can you add links to the ebay shops of those artists?

[@HauntedCorpseGaming]

Shouldn't cutting the sprue, mold line/sprue cleanup, assembly, priming and then the packing, taking it to the mail box or post office to mail it have a value for each of these? 🤔 The other thing to consider is the model has to be purchased at full price with taxes and then the person painting it has to do all those steps and then pay income tax eventually on all that. So a 5 minute paint job.... Makes sense. ;)

[@danmitchell1835]

The Angels Dread was painted by me. Thanks to the Squidmar team for the review. For those wondering, the decals are from the ForgeWorld Heresy sheet. I wish I could take credit for the idea but I stole it from Lil Legend Studio!

[@SquidmarMiniatures]

Great job man

[@bgezal]

My favorite 🥰 I made a similar Blood angel dreadnought some 30 years ago by kit-bashing an old gundam/transformers by turning the body upside down and re-attaching the legs backwards where the arms used to go :D

[@OneofInfinity.]

Looks great on camera, in real life it most look even better.

[@Mystrich]

Yours was definitely my favorite of the bunch. Even if they were decals they LOOKED like part of the mini so that's still A+

[@matan8074]

I think I need to buy some decals.

[@Bondty]

Really glad that you liked the Nurgle Sorcerer I've painted and to be reviewed in your video. Many thanks!

[@Orihutcherson]

How do I find your eBay account?

[@davidanderson9103]

Nice job!!

[@SquidmarMiniatures]

Great paint job!

[@Dead_Fish0]

it was really nice :)

[@Spark_Chaser]

You've been professionally rated. I think it's safe to say you could stand to raise your prices a bit if this is your usual quality of work.

[@Tiasleaze]

Woah! Those are my Witches 🤯 Thank you for the review mates. (Keep my hair safe please, I'd like to have it back 😂)

[@jamesmcclennan1866]

Outstanding work

[@ryleymacdonald9213]

Do you have anymore of those witches for sale?

[@A970747]

Really great job

[@Ben-fk9ey]

I've sold something to WarDaddy Miniatures. It seems their business model is to buy already painted/used stuff and then re-sell it as "pro painted" or "well painted" etc. That's how they have such a variety of stuff on their website. I don't know if they touch stuff up before re-selling it but it's definitely an interesting business model.

[@Feroce]

Looking at their website, it looks like they credit who the painters are.

[@ka5141]

im a painter for wardaddy, he credits us if we want to be credited @@Feroce

[@Ben-fk9ey]

@@Feroce Having a look at their Ebay listings of the few I've looked at none have who they've been painted by but they did have "not painted by me" in the description/information bit.

[@colynrobinson212]

@@Ben-fk9ey To be fair, they did say if you look at THEIR webiste, not ebay. Secondly, that business model may be weird but its so common in everything. Its LITERALLY just retail, buy from source, add mark up for third party, resell, profit.

[@theanimaster]

Holy shit. Was that the dusty ass model they got?

[@Pay-No-Mind]

That Nurgle Sorcerer looks amazing, for the price too! beautiful!

[@mathieugervais501]

I love the we scam the poor dude😂

[@Bondty]

Thank you!

[@jamesvozar1]

@@Bondty Keep up that amazing work dude.

[@EonsOfBattle]

the paintjob on the eldar wraithfighter looks like its inspired by artist HopeRiver's Valley, she made a tutorial to do this starscape on eldar jetbikes over a decade ago and her work is increadable.

[@cravin4acupofcoffee]

Wargaming hobby legends casually interacting with eachother, love to see it

[@doc_sav]

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[@DreadnoughtMan266]

@@doc_savthis month it’s crashed spaceship, can’t wait for the video

[@kael180]

Was $84 the total price of the Hemlock wraithfighter? Or the extra for the paintjob? If it is total, that's $6 under MSRP. Which would be a pretty good deal.

[@MehWhatever-uw9gc]

Wondering the same thing.

[@thedandy6765]

im pretty sure it was total price cus they never stated they supplied the minis

[@kael180]

@@thedandy6765 True. But in that case they were a bit quick to call it a scam. After they painted their own, it sounded to me like they talked about the price like it was the price of the paintjob alone.

[@IOnlyWantToWatchIt]

@kael180 didn't realize they got the whole model under msrp, damn that makes it feel like this was just a mean video to some people that were just selling stuff on ebay

[@kael180]

​@@IOnlyWantToWatchIt It depends. I went by American MSRP, as they were using dollars. Though I guess since it's from eBay it could have come from anywhere. In Britain MSRP is ~$70, so worst case the paintjob costs ~$15 (though it is pre-owned).

[@Mordroth-the-daemonwhisperer]

Now strip the ugly ones and make a Video "We repainted ugly Ebay models...." or something....

[@XanKing]

yeah

[@phillipzachry7758]

There is another youtuber, Ebay Miniature Rescues, that does videos on that. It's always fun to watch and it is nice to see you can always fix a mini if you aren't happy with the paintjob.

[@muppen74]

@@phillipzachry7758 Was about to make that comment, but you beat me to it. I like that channel as well. Don’t remember his name, but he’s really calm and relaxed.

[@jc7997aj]

​@@muppen74his name is Casey and the Channel is Ebay Minature Rescues. He also does a pod cast with Brent from Goobertown Hobbies. It's called Paint Bravely

[@jc7997aj]

Then send it back to the seller with a note "this is professionaly painted"😂

[@brandonphillips5329]

The comparison between GW pricing of the mini and EBay was good at the start, but the consistency stoped at the Hemlock Wraithfighter. The miniature was poorly / non existent for professionals painting. However you also payed less then GW listing price. It looked more like a garage sale rescue. You both could take one and try to rescue it in your next video?

[@SquidmarMiniatures]

We're kings of inconsistency, and we're ok with it 😂 we've done a video "pimping" ebay minis :)

[@brandonphillips5329]

@@SquidmarMiniatures LOL pimp my ride, Land Raider edition ! I’ll have to check it out!

[@Daepilin]

I@@SquidmarMiniatures I mean that's fair if you actually comission sth... But paying less than retail and calling the guy a scam etc is unnecessary and not fun...

[@gaywolfsif4760]

​@Daepilin it is a scam, tho. The seller is listing the model as "pro-painted" when it is anything but

[@SCHMALLZZZ]

​@gaywolfsif4760 it's only a scam if you pay for a professional paint job. No sane person would think they were getting a pro paint job for $6.

[@herculeholmes504]

Hmmm... This is not so simple to figure out. 1. Cost of model. 2. Time to assemble. 3. Time to clean-up and prepare model. 4. Time to paint model. 5. Time to base model. 6. Cost of shipping.

[@zukawastaken]

Professional noun 1. a person engaged or qualified in a profession."professionals such as lawyers and surveyors" 2. a person engaged in a specified activity, especially a sport, as a main paid occupation rather than as a pastime. "his first season as a professional" Sooo I guess if painting is their main occupation then they're professionals. Doesn't matter if its good or not.

[@mercilesswombat6872]

void bomber wasn’t fair if it has been well assembled, mold lines removed, smooth prime job etc. and close to shop price - then it’s not a scam. ppl can just put it on the tabletop right from the box or continue painting from there -

[@GoufinAround_]

I think you guys were a lot harder on the Eldar fighter than you needed to be. That's a $90 mini from GW's webstore which means the lowest price someone could buy it from a store for is $72 which means you potentially only spent $12 on the assembly and paint job on it. Not to say it's a good paint job or should be called "pro painted," but it's also not a scam at all

[@infiniterik2402]

No, it was shit AND lazy let's be very clear & honest about that

[@001Hatsune]

Hard agree, that one felt bad to hear them talk about for sure

[@danielhewson4132]

@@001Hatsuneit was shit sorry

[@Charsiupao]

I agree. I think Squidmar's definition of a scam is not literally what most of us think. To me a scam is when I did not get something I paid for. On eBay we're likely to see pics, so unless we did not get the mini we ordered it's technically not a scam. A bad deal, a low quality purchase perhaps, maybe even a shit job, but I think scam isn't quite the right word.

[@GoufinAround_]

@@infiniterik2402 being bad and being a scam are not the same. If your brain is incapable of figuring this out, I’d go back to school and learn how to become more intelligent

[@getonthepartybus]

The one thing that I think may have been a bit unfair to the sellers is that you don't seem to account for build time. Granted, most of the models were small or simple, but the build time on a dreadnought alone can be multiple hours. I don't know how long it takes to build one of those Dark Eldar flyers, but that would surely factor into the end price as well.

[@henrikwannheden7114]

While your comment is valid in a greater scheme of things, it still wasn't "pro painted". As some other guy remarked, the price was lower than if you'd bought the box from GW. Considering that and the fact that it was quite dusty, I'd take a guess that this wasn't even painted by the seller but a garage sale resque.

[@Daepilin]

​@@henrikwannheden7114which makes it even more scummy to pick on the guy as much as they did...

[@TimcPlays]

Not sure what you're building, but a dreadnaught categorically does not take hours to build.

[@D8TNCracka]

I think the first one was actually pretty good. I would've been very happy to receive that as a finished product.

[@justice91423]

Calling any of these a "scam" seems harsh. I'm assuming their listings included photos, right? So unless they lied or pulled any type of bait and switch, the worst you can say is they are overpriced. I realize you are suggesting that "pro" is the damming word. But "pro" is a pretty loose term.

[@IngoGarza]

The Wraightfighter seller is delusional tho. Borderline scam. Preying on the noobs of the hobby.

[@Firebird4Life]

@@IngoGarza Dude, the model itself is $90. If they paid under MSRP for an assembled & painted (sure, not "pro" painted, but tabletop ready) model, that's a win in my book, ESPECIALLY for a new player.

[@Lesardah]

@@Firebird4Life You make an interesting point, my friend. My mind is changed.

[@thezeevy]

My guess is the painter for the plane is buying used models, giving them a quick coat of paint. And reselling

[@MortRotu]

​@@thezeevythe reported amount of dust on it suggests otherwise for the new coat of paint

[@eloquentsarcasm]

Years ago I had a painting/sculpting gig on ebay and IRL. Commissions quickly burned me out, especially when the client had NO clue about 40k lore or even basic color theory. I switched to doing characters and painting them MY way and selling them. Made decent money, I think my highest selling one was almost 200 dollars, but when I sat down and did the math, I was making maybe3 dollars an hour, lol.

[@aniyn]

Ya, I commission painted an army for a friend one summer, and it was brutal. The Forgeworld resin was not fun to build, and most of the other models had been assembled so poorly they had to ripped apart and completely rebuilt. I still have some of it in my bits bin, as they were fubar.

[@aristotle29]

How to be a professional aritst: Step 1: Make art. Step 2: Sell the art that you made. Congrats, you are now a professional artist.

[@hplitzko8477]

But every person implies something more than only that and you know that too

[@christophearbus3523]

Yeah but professional both means: "making money with it" and "have skills in it", most people will expect the "having skills" definition and not the first one when buying things.

[@aristotle29]

@@christophearbus3523 can you honestly say if an artist has skill? At what level skill do they need?

[@christophearbus3523]

@@aristotle29 In terms of miniatures painting yes. You don't?

[@holgerplitzko6404]

@@christophearbus3523 Not totally right. In many, of not most professions you are not making money if you don´t have a certain level of skill.

[@vinterbjork4128]

That pink'ish-purple elven hair looked really cool. Nice contrast with the rest of the model and really pops.

[@Ant509y]

So most of these honestly do look good and worth the price. Especially if you ignore the “pro” claim. The fifth one is just **underpriced** by a lot!

[@pesadillaaa3]

Como ya dicen en el video la cuestión no es esa. No se trata de si lo vale o no, se trata de si es un pintado pro o no lo es, y yo diría que no lo es en la mitad de los casos que se muestran en el video.

[@myrdelgonway5119]

The first one killed me. It’s so much better than anything I’ve painted. Me: “Oh that’s so good!” Squidmar: “This ain’t pro.”

[@SquidmarMiniatures]

Believe in yourself 🥰

[@fredgilbert2032]

We are all at different stages in our journey, so you got this. I have been painting on and off for 30 years and still learn every time I paint, and I still have the what the heck did I just do to this model on occasion and have to strip it down and start over. The 1st one is plenty respectable for a tabletop army and nothing wrong with selling it on Ebay. It's scummy/scammy to list it as pro painted, listing it for way less and calling it tabletop ready would be more respectable.

[@bawdydog176]

Watch some Ninjon. He's a really good tutor and great at encouragement.

[@rustywrx]

I was thinking the same.. "Ohh, that's really nicely done!" "That's shit. It's shit" Don't sugar coat it, lads.. Jeez.

[@sarah345]

@@fredgilbert2032 for $50? Do you think it took that person less than 1.5 hours to do that paint job? Because that would only be around $30/hour. And that doesn’t account for the cost of paint and other materials, only the mini. It may not be as good as these guys could do, but it’s a stretch to call it a scam.

[@MisterTingles]

speaking from my own "Pro Painter selling on Ebay" experience, you're kinda beholden to the algorithm in terms of what you title your mini, and it just makes sense to include [Pro Painted] as an easily and often searched term, and also there's hardly anybody really looking for a statement piece mini at an appropriate price, most everybody is just looking for a super cheap deal... and of course nobody ever takes the price of the mini itself into account. on the plus side, it's much more feasible than Etsy, since there's little to no fees for small sellers.

[@THZX-qk9fc]

Would be nice if the artists were credited so people could support them if they wanted to.

[@andrewcrane5105]

of course the guy with a darth vader helm would not see 3 of the artist are above i comments. also, it would not be fair to credited them in the video since they were not asked and, what about the 2 that were said to be bad? should they be cited? think man, think.

[@THZX-qk9fc]

@@andrewcrane5105 What does my pfp have to do with anything? Of course I see that some of them are credited, but all of them should be credited, bad or not. Unless they requested not to then he should have stated they didn't want to be credited. Don't be daft Andrew. Take the time to improve your grammar, I can barely understand you.

[@masonmcelroy8125]

You were a little harsh on the eldar flyer. You paid $85 for it, the model is $90 retail...

[@alexandercrumulent271]

It's not pro painted. It's used and going in a bucket of simple green.

[@chrisritter8552]

@@alexandercrumulent271does simple green strip paint?

[@cdemmm]

For the Eldar Wraithfighter: 15 minutes for 2 fast painters to paint is hardly a fair comparison when you're talking about $10 for painting and building by what is probably one person. Saying it's not pro painted is fair but calling it a scam isn't. Also I'd like to know what the listings promised, because that really does make a difference.

[@legrandvincent3018]

The prices seem so low to me... i'm an independant worker in Europe. As such, i know that on every sale i make, nearly half my price goes on taxes and such. I might be mistaken, but it seems to me that these people work for near to nothing ( i don't know how long it took them to paint these, but the hourly rate looks awful). Even if they do it without paying taxes, i don't think you could make a living of those prices.

[@Sullindir]

Even the "scammers" are undercharging for the work performed. This review was unfair to nearly all of the painters: Those that were reviewed positively were celebrated for the detail of their work and mostly regarded as fair for the price despite undercharging for their time and results, and those reviewed negatively were cruelly criticized with nothing constructive offered and were labeled scammers despite also charging around the standard or less for the time they would have put in to their work.

[@johnnyd9174]

I’ve been painting some minis and selling them as “pro painted” on ebay. They’re probably about the same quality as the $45 mini you guys bought. I sell single minis for about $50-$60 a piece, which seems like a lot but it’s usually about $7 for the mini, $10 for shipping, $1 for packaging. Then ebay takes 15%. So on a $50 mini I’m making $25, not including paints and basing materials. If I spend 3 hours on a paint job, plus putting it up on ebay and driving it to the post office, I’m looking at less than $10 per hour. It’s fun to do, and selling stuff on ebay us a fun part of the hobby for me. But sometimes tagging things as “pro painted” is almost necessary even if you’re not quite there yet if you want to make anything over $5 an hour.

[@Ben-fk9ey]

Have you thought about selling on Facebook as they don't take 15% from you?

[@tajj7]

Probably should also consider assembly and basing, those alone will take some time (as long as they have assembled properly, done mould lines etc. decently) and a base takes time to put together as well. On those bigger models you are probably talking two hours or so on that stuff alone so even some of those not great ones the prices weren't terrible.

[@Bombot78]

The fighter jet is a good idea waiting to happen. It's a cost-effective scheme, and with more effort on things like the weapons it would seem better value

[@bldos5362]

are you sure that dark Eldar voidraven bomber was a scam? you paid 88$ for a model that lists for 90$. he was just selling a mini from his collection. Saying pro-painted may have been a stretch, but that price wasn't unreasonable.

[@MehWhatever-uw9gc]

Considering no mention of mould lines or gaps. Sure it’s a “paint” video, but considering the time it takes to assemble and also the cost of materials for someone that doesn’t get things sent to them for free.... definitely a high horse click bate video.

[@elricdotah]

This is kind of an unfair comparison. All pro painters have different levels you can have them paint to and pay for. And battle ready from a pro painter still looks better than battle ready from a noob. You need to take into account the amount of work that went into a paint job and how much you paid for it.

[@C.P.Dickenson]

Big fan of Squidmar but this one was a bit unfair. Yes - the quality of these paint jobs isn't amazing but the discussion paid no thought to how much time went into these paint jobs or how much money the painters would be earning by hour. Most of the paint jobs - subtracting the cost of the minis - work out at around $50. That'd be just $25 an hour for a two hour paint job or just $17 for three hours. Since true pros can spend a week or more on a single model it seems unfair to expect the same standard from people either having to work much faster or getting paid a pittance for their labour.

[@plutoyaldnil4750]

ACTUALLY THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A PROFESSIONAL AND AN AMATEUR.......ONE GETS PAID

[@sarah345]

Honestly they all looked pretty good to me. “Professional” has a few definitions in the Cambridge dictionary, one of which is: “used to describe someone who does a job that people usually do as a hobby.” And by that definition they are all “pro”. It’s true some are better than others, but none of them looked like a scam to me. There are some professional artists that I don’t think are very good, but it would honestly be a little mean of me to make a video saying so. None of those minis looked like they were painted by someone who was trying to take advantage of you, especially when you take into account the base price of the mini you got. Even the 15 minute paint job, from the sounds of the other comments, you essentially got the paint job for free after the cost of the mini, so I don’t know what you expected. Maybe you should check out the definition of a scam: “to trick someone into giving you money…in a dishonest and often illegal way.” I don’t think you were tricked, and I don’t think these artists were dishonest, they just didn’t meet your standards.

[@timbo4973]

Damn... I sold some of my minis too cheap. I always thought I suck at painting. But my standard is higher than most of these models. The second one with the stickers was nice. And the last two, too. But the rest... Damn.

[@Mr3Machine]

The hyperactive editing contrasted with your low energy scandinavian delivery style is so funny

[@BigPlatinumDragon]

Like many words, there are multiple definitions of "Professional" and one of the most common definitions for Professional is "a person engaged in a specified activity, as a main paid occupation rather than as a pastime." so the fact that you 'PAID' for these figures means they are "professionally" painted. the only way this would be a scam is if they were NOT painted at all. your personal dislike of a paint job does not automatically make something a scam, just makes you responsible for choosing poorly when spending your money.

[@Meenie66]

Mate I loved the first dreadnaught. So good!

[@SquidmarMiniatures]

We did too, amazing

[@artsyork3915]

Quick question. Was postage costs counted in or deducted? Non of these minis were painted by myself, im just curious, cause to post something, even a mini from my country to the rest of the EU for example is pretty expensive.

[@slothy33711]

A pro painter is someone who gets paid to paint. So ironically by buying the items you made them Pro painters.

[@daltonparker7792]

Con artists also get paid for doing things. I would say to be a pro, you must be better than majority of the competition, a good understanding of the craft, and a knowledge of the market. Just throwing paint on a model and selling it doesn’t make you a pro, it makes you a con artist and scammer. No hate, just my opinion!!

[@gingerwhale871]

Fair criticism. But also: unless you pay 500 bucks for the Mini, what do you expect? At a wage of 15 bucks for 10 hours, for a 50 hour miniature, you would get a really nicely painted Mini by an artist, for a steep price and he’d be barely above minimum wage.

[@john-rossmorland]

Wraithfighter seems fine to me.

[@IOnlyWantToWatchIt]

I feel like for people who want to start commission work, "pro-painted" in the description is necessary. It's what people search for and nobody is gonna sell "amateur" painted minis for a profit. It's probably a high standard to them at least and they can only become better at painting

[@dittmar104]

If you say tabletop-ready or table-top plus that would at least be honest

[@IOnlyWantToWatchIt]

@dittmar104 Yeah but you could replace table top ready with all the other pro painted and I'd also be true. It's professional if you think you did professional work. That first model looked just fine, and was priced like most advice I've seen for starting commissions says to do (twice the cost of the mini+ paints) and I don't think calling it a scam is fair. I've wanted to do commissions this year to see if I had the talent for it, but if I knew somebody I looked up to as a painter, would buy my work and then call it a scam in front of thousands of viewers I'd never paint again! If you think your work is worth money than go for it, its always gonna be valuable to you no matter what and if people agree than they'll give you what it's worth.

[@dittmar104]

@@IOnlyWantToWatchIt No. It being professional relies on it meeting professional standards. Pro painted is largely considered to be parade or display models, if a model doesn’t meet that standard it’s just false advertising.

[@IOnlyWantToWatchIt]

@dittmar104 I don't think there's a standard for pro painted though. There's not a mini painting school, or an apprenticeship to follow to be a good painter, it comes from anyone. These people just put themselves out there hoping they got what it takes, it's not their fault you have to type in "pro-painted" to get caught in the search engine.

[@mkminiaturesstudio6106]

@@dittmar104don’t professional painting studios have different levels of quality? Not everything is display level. It also depends on the price vs quality level

[@Darkreaper1982]

Sorry if I missed this but were these minis a "buy now" purchase or did you have to bid on them against others? Asking as the latter might have driven the prices up quite a bit.

[@GamingKinda]

Add in any assembly time whatsoever and the average number of productive hours in a work week and 80$ an hour is maybe 150k pretaxes. You are not going to be a millionaire and to sell that many models would be a job in itself so you need to split that in half with the person helping build and photo list and ship them (it came in plastic wrap etc). If it’s a scam, it’s not a good one.

[@ferretly]

cannot for the life of me figure out what differentiates a professional from an amateur paint job to you guys. most of these minis looks really cool, even the first one

[@brianhall4182]

I've sold a few things on Ebay for decent amounts. But I've never, ever listed anything as "Pro Painted". The most was $180 dollars for 5 kitbashed Bladeguard.

[@heresyV6]

Per definition, as long as the painter charges you money for painting, it counts as professional.

[@jackmprestonjr]

I’ve dumped side projects or local commissions that aren’t picked up on eBay for cheap. Just emptied the shelves and was hoping to see some of my poorly painted ones.

[@ericlorenzen4795]

That army set at the end didn't get enough screen time. It looked crazy good.

[@jkillerb]

I know the pro painted tag is weird but slagging peoples work off pisses me off

[@Sullindir]

I have to agree. While criticism may be merited, none of the commentary was constructive. Defaming artists as scammers because the work didn't meet their standards should not be acceptable, especially considering how little each of these artists are charging for their works. The Squidmar channel is far too prominent in the community for Emil and Lukas to be so thoughtless in how they speak about others' work.

[@Grieva-SeeD-]

I think they were spot on to be honest. The first model was absolutely awful for 88 dollars. Slagging off work that you see on Instagram is one thing, but calling out people for claiming a model is "pro painted" is absolutely fair.

[@zulef]

When you pay for painted minis, they automatically become pro painted.

[@IndyMotoRider]

I've watched hours of videos, but never painted a single mini. But with your logic, I could charge $50 on Ebay and be a pro 😏

[@derekbutts2660]

​@IndyMotoRider if someone buys it and you can make a living then yes you are a pro. There are Football players who are absolutely terrible in the league now making money and they are pros.

[@zulef]

Yep! @@IndyMotoRider

[@envynemo4170]

you were way under charged for an few of those minis $45 should have at least been $90. have to take into account that minimum wage is $20 and that “ Professional” is above minimum wages.

[@polygonalmasonary]

The word ‘Professional’ relates only to payment for a job, it does not guarantee any quality 😮🇬🇧🌈♥️👍

[@SquidmarMiniatures]

Technically true :)

[@ranch2970]

So would you back the statement "it is legal to end these "scammers" or at-least telling their family and friends till they end themsleves and can never make another post"? they are ripping you off so it seems like equal justice. @@SquidmarMiniatures

[@ranch2970]

I know you want to tell us their page so someone can find their other Social media and notify their families but you shouldn't @@SquidmarMiniatures

[@petersaczko6192]

13:51 Damn! That's some Pro Choreography.

[@Fabodroidgaming]

7:33 - You guys ever heard about taxes? ;) In Germany you need to double the price if you wanna earn anything.

[@2FRESH-4U]

I never learned to airbrush properly so it’s nice to see someone else mixes paint in the brush pot too

[@avrilcrisp5725]

The price includes the cost of the model and materials plus their time painting and the packaging. You want to talk about the painters that are getting scammed, orders made and then. The customer many times IS the scammer not the scammed.

[@Ez.bake_evan]

My entire Black Templar army is from eBay and looks amazing 😂

[@karlthegreaterest]

Does anyone know where I could find water transfers like that giant block of text, framed on the left of the 1st dreadnaught? Been looking for awhile, and it looked incredible here!

[@fossiltheorystudios2689]

The artist actually posted and said the decals are from a Forgeworld Heresy sheet, hope that helps!

[@TheMiniJunkie]

This makes me feel kinda great about the minis I sell on eBay (need to paint faster and list more often though…).

[@CalamityJay-ez2mq]

I used to love this channel but god damn the ads are getting ridiculous, getting a pre-roll and then the first mid-roll only a minute and a half into the video

[@wardaddyminiatures]

Haha thank you for being kind 🙏

[@SquidmarMiniatures]

Wohoo

[@ranch2970]

Don't worry they will call you a scam soon enough :)

[@snapperxv]

I used to "propaint" on ebay - yes for a living. Historical not fantasy - - thank you for 3 years livelihood SAGA -unless you are in the first half dozen painted minis on there you were looking at £120 a foot mini tops (normally £50- £60 range for a foot figure decent job with a freehand shield, zenithal highlighting and definitely no nmm)you got in there first with a new faction painted well and it at least tripled. I had a lot of returning customers. I started selling on ebay after I got stiffed on a large Samurai army (we talked kept him in touch with the process then he changed his mind and wanted what I refer to as bubblegum samurai )and realised I was easily getting twice what I was getting on commission so started working solely for 3 existing customers and everything else on ebay.

[@FilipCordas]

O my god a KZbin sponsor that isn't a scam and isn't trying to steal your money.

[@monocerotis6917]

What do you think about the old warhammer models? is it good or bad? i like them, but little bit to exepensive for 25 years old figures.

[@knightsljx]

did Squidmar really think a Redemptor DREADNOUGHT is going to cost $35 MSRP from GW??

[@spikers1369]

That eldar flyer is less than cost of it new. To have to “finish” it up isn’t much a problem. Complaining about that one is just silly. With how well it was already painted, and the ability you guys have… And don’t forget the base.

[@rabid_si]

Yeah, that sort of paintjob is clearly aimed at something like the tournament market. Literally sold at cost with a paintjob that is simple and easy but still has at least some visual style is kind of a steal. Same with the idea that having something done "professionally" means you're going to get a top dollar professional level of service is silly. Loads of professionals offer basic services at budget levels because they are "good enough" for the use case of the people buying them. If you're a professional sign writer, you might charge thousands to have a discreetly designed sign made for a shopfront, or you might just charge a budget price that covers materials and time and involves you slapping some basic typography on it. You're still a professional engaged in professional design.

[@nicholasgrossi8142]

@squidmarminiatures what is the eBay for first dreadnought?

[@danmitchell1835]

My cool mini user is Goblet

[@colinbirkett8768]

I'm glad you woke up 1 day and could immediately paint perfectly and never had to go through the learning curve to get the the level where you feel comfortable criticizing otherwise without offering anything constructive

[@nickwhite5119]

The blood angles dreadnought was really good

[@joegkushner]

In the future would it be possible to see how the Pro Painters handle other companies miniatures? There are a host of other companies out there so it might be fun to see how the Pro Painters do the same type of model, say an ogre, from multiple companies.

[@LazorzPewPew]

I was most amazed by the feats of strength in this video.

[@Lonewolf0840]

Turns with the hobby knife. "What makes you think I won't cut you?" 😆🤣

[@myahmyah2287]

as someone who has a hero forge product they're really good

[@BBolloBB]

I think it's a little tricky listing on Ebay as it's hard to categorise your work as there's a casm between better painted and pro painted

[@matan8074]

Battle ready?

[@BBolloBB]

@@matan8074 Is that 3 colours and a base by GW standards these days? I think what i'm driving at is it's hard to categorise something that's artistic. Good video all the same and I myself have the odd chuckle at pro-painted listings and think oh dear...

[@jacobwatson4246]

What do you guys do the the hundreds of minis you have? Do you have a vault??

[@wpjohn91]

In the UK i would say a professional is smthing u can make a living by.

[@Tremadog102]

This was an interesting video. The Haemonculus model's paintjob wasn't what put me off, it was the layers of fluff that I found offensive. This does make me wonder what my own paintwork would be valued as. Probably higher than fluffy boy anyway.

[@mostlyghostey]

In our corporate hellscape USA the advice to artists is if you are being paid for your art you should consider yourself a professional. That might be where the mix-up is. Some people consider the word professional to mean that you are being paid for what you do and others expect that professional means a well-trained and well practiced individual.

[@chaoticflanagan]

To be fair to the Hemlock Wraithfighter - that model costs like $76USD discounted. So the paint job wasn't that much money.

[@travis8106]

But at the same time, the paintjob is excruciatingly lazy.

[@CatgirlTrash]

i'll just watch this video while i setup to paint my minis.... 3 hours designing a cat in hero forge later, here i am

[@shinyprimape]

Hey @squidmarminiatures what's the desk lamp you guys use? It look awesome, I'm in desperate need of an upgrade! If someone else knows aswell I'd be very appreciative

[@Vesdus]

Can I buy the nurgle sorcerer from you? I think it looks absolutely beautiful 😍

[@RickardLejonhjarta]

im... clearly a better painter than i thought i was

[@Narwaana]

Anyone knows what the elven fighters are called?

[@OldNightTavern]

Idk I think this was a bit of a weighted review

[@dimadobrik4516]

Unrelated but anyone knows where to get the shirt from the guy on the right? Loved both terminators but the shirt took the cake lol

[@us3rnam3144]

Professional just means paid "engaged in a specified activity as one's main paid occupation rather than as a pastime." soooo yeah

[@bob12744]

Somewhere i read: "be best do not make you professional, getting paid for the work does." (It is not defense of bad pro painters, it is sad reality).

[@MrEyescream]

That first model looked like he actually thickened the paint even more up. I started painting like a week ago and think i could do that better (even tho only sligthly)

[@ranch2970]

you could not

[@MrEyescream]

@@ranch2970 i already did

[@SendarSlayer]

@@MrEyescream Pics?

[@MrEyescream]

@@SendarSlayer yes, but i dont owe that model

[@AcoylteKraven82]

1:02- Yeah, I do get a kick out of some of the “pro painted” minis and/or armies on eBay!!! Every once in a while, you will find a really good paint job…… but a lot of the time it is hilarious to think if the person writing that in could do it with a straight face or if they were in fact, that delusional that they honestly think their work is high level?!? Lol

[@kevinishki]

The aircraft you replicated cost 80 bucks unbuilt and unpainted

[@yendub]

My honest issue is that "Pro Painted" can mean 2 different things. 1. Painted by a professional painted. This just indicates the quality of the painter, not how well the model was painted. 2. Painted by anyone to a "Professional" standard. As in, display or competition level. This indicates the type of paint job, not the painter.

[@jameswashburn8627]

This. I commission paint. Probably 99% of my work is battle ready standard requests. Can I paint and win awards, yes, do most people want to pay for that, no.

[@lordy6666]

Were any of these UK painters? Always looking for commission painters for High End tabletop level.

[@danmitchell1835]

Yeah my cool mini user is goblet

[@kajn3206]

well, it mostly depends if they are painting something for friends I would also rate my abilities more like tabletop reds, maybe + what I've seen of other works, but no one would give us 50 dollars for one figure so 5

[@Astartesparty]

Best channel on KZbin 🎉

[@carlstanford7607]

If the model was included in the price then all these painters did a great job because for most of them that’s barely a minimum wage hourly rate

[@GravenBro-wz3wn]

Whoo the stickers on the Dreadnaught look really cool. Has anyone an Idea where to get those. In Germany btw. And also. Awesome Video. Again 😄👍

[@kennethaunstrup]

The guy hvo apparently painted it commented somewhere that they were forgeworld heresy stickers.