I played the Tricky update and...

[@literalfeline]

fun fact: according to krinkels, who likes the mod, says that this mod is now canon

[@acai28]

That's so sick

[@mrrfyW]

Epic

[@alecberry1823]

Cannon to fnf or madness combat? I'm not familiar with who made either.

[@dolomite1067]

@@alecberry1823 Krinkles made Madness Combat, not FNF.

[@ATBZ]

@@alecberry1823 Madness combat

[@ryuuakito]

God it's really fucking cool to see Madness get a second wind through these communities. Absolutely love to see it.

[@acai28]

I never thought I'd see it again after the 5th grade

[@ryuuakito]

@@acai28 Yeah holy shit it's really cool to see. Hell, the creators handed me a career on a silver platter. They're really great dudes. Thank you for making these videos man, they're fun as hell and they spread word about the series.

[@BackwardsPancake]

@@acai28 Yyyuuup. Seeing it and it's creator still around is sort of surreal, but in a really good way.

[@irobot67]

Lit

[@ashleyschoenberger3959]

Videos lit

[@marleytarver9759]

The brown man isn't the only clown on screen anymore

[@mrrfyW]

Oooh, what a hard roast

[@the_spider_7773]

*apply water to the burned area*

[@dantethewanderer4989]

Got *DAMN!*

[@aunghowa3943]

*“What you wanna do is to control the burn”*

[@wintr7803]

damn

[@thepointydoughnut5358]

I was losing my shit when he almost beat expurgation 1st try live.

[@beaneyguy3815]

He died to the first black note

[@jackdog06]

That one clearly didn’t count he hit it to see what it did. The second run was the actual attempt.

[@am_KorD]

Same it took me like 2 hours to beat

[@thepointydoughnut5358]

@@beaneyguy3815 yeah, but its first try in essence. He hit the black note on purpose

[@beaneyguy3815]

@@jackdog06 well he knew the blacknotes were bad. Because he did just play hellclown, but I'm sure it was just a reaction, because of how sudden the note is

[@vuthara8725]

Wait, people are mad about him LOWERING the scroll speed? Funny, people were arguing the exact opposite in early DDR days b/c faster scroll speed made it easier to read spam notes, guess we've come full circle lmao

[@RenShinomiya121]

yeah it's the same thing again all over again now.

[@vuthara8725]

@@RenShinomiya121 Yep, objective difficulty vs subjective difficulty. Even seeing some StepMania vets here wondering how he managed to beat it with slow scroll. The difference lies within how Guitar Hero and DDR teaches you, GH's scroll is very slow by comparison.

[@cCheesie]

@@vuthara8725 i mean im okay with him lowering scroll speed like its cool and all to play how u wanna play but it does objectively make it easier (copied from another comment) Expurgation (and to a lesser extent, HELLCLOWN) is kind of a rare exception to the usual unspoken rules of scroll speed, mostly because of its use of "mines". Part of the actual difficulty in Expurgation is the combination of the mines plus a default scroll speed of roughly 3.5 or so, as opposed to the actual chart itself. Coupled with the distractions thrown in, it creates a difficult chart. When you lower the scroll speed, you remove a lot of that difficulty (albeit unintentionally) because there is no longer a need to worry about the mines when you have ample time to process them coming and avoid them, as opposed to having to anticipate them and avoid them. That difference is huge when it comes to the difficulty of the chart. The distractions also lose some of their effectiveness when the scroll speed is lower, as well, thus making them less of an issue (yet another drop in difficulty). It just so happens that Expurgation (and to a lesser extent, HELLCLOWN) is a rare exception where the scroll speed actually matters a great deal.

[@vuthara8725]

@@cCheesie Fair enough, it's the exception and not the rule, though he did make it through almost the entire song on the 3.5 scroll speed. I'm not going to discount that, this is still a very high level of skill regardless.

[@cCheesie]

@@vuthara8725 yeah that's ok and like i said he basically did most of it normally plus it's his decision so ty for understanding :)

[@Supersonicboss1]

this mod is so SICK but like why tf does a mod have such high production value, tricky in song 3 is at 12K resolution jesus

[@RegalRoyalWasTaken]

pure passion bro

[@Tokiko]

concentrated power of will

[@Supersonicboss1]

@@Tokiko or multiple months of immense suffering by the devs

[@FadiMARc]

The Modders are taking over lol

[@KadeDev]

I LOVED WATCHING YOU PLAY, THANKS SO MUCH YOU HONESTLY MADE MY DAY! :D

[@randomplayz4200]

:D

[@f-manstrid6418]

😀

[@Yourentsamd]

The one and only is here pog

[@Juryll]

Poggers, would love to see another crazy mod from you and the content creators would play it for me because _my pc can't even run FNF and I'm suck at rhythm games._

[@qualtra]

less go kadedev

[@antimatter3084]

I'm surprised you were able to read at Tricky with that scroll speed, scroll speed that slow are a nightmare to read in Mania.

[@Worn_Guide]

I'm curious. Does higher scroll improve your reaction timing, or is it just the games you've been playing?

[@Peko1a]

Try the arrow skin, and you might change your mind.

[@antimatter3084]

@@Peko1a I use the circle skin, I try arrows in Etterna and I couldn't read them as well as circles. I'm using the bars for 7 key so if I get more progress on learning 7 key I might switch to those.

[@goldi947]

@@Worn_Guide If you have trouble parsing multiple arrows at once, increasing scroll speed spaces it out so I might be easier to read. Of course, it can only helps so much if the game itself doesn't give you a lot of space to read them.

[@aduck3504]

@@Worn_Guide some people prefer to play songs at higher scroll speeds, since for some it's easier to react to a bunch of notes spread out than try to understand a bunch of notes clumped together. I think both speeds have their own learning curve, so it's hard to go from one to another suddenly

[@thejadehen2907]

Got here 13 seconds after the upload dropped. Gotta eat it while it’s still sizzling.

[@dogofwisdom1398]

yes

[@jonnyaeternum]

30 minutes for me, bouta nuke this shit in the microwave real quick

[@apokefish]

Got to agree

[@richiecordrey6892]

Nom nom tasty content

[@minisage1961]

An hour for me, drop in the nearest volcano and we should be fine

[@bocodamondo]

i actually feel sorry for ninjamuffin and co who have to create the official madness-themed level, since they have to compete against this quality

[@loafofzed]

What ninjamuffin SHOULD do is just make this an official week.

[@BoomBoomSoup]

@@loafofzed lmao

[@loafofzed]

@@BoomBoomSoup oaml

[@the_cat_the_cat]

at this point he should hire the tricky mod team

[@darkshat3077]

Ninja muffin needs to hire more people. Because that’s what the mods are doing and is why they are becoming better quality than the actual game

[@KingKazmu]

Kind of wacky how people can play in their preferred settings that the DEVELOPERS added in so you can play comfortably. Weird huh.

[@bl1ppa]

When Acai was playing Expurgation on slow scroll speed some dude in chat went “If Tricky can cheat, we can too”

[@VortexRiversss]

that man deserves a medal LOL

[@zoroarkdx4491]

Any sort of FNF fandom that doesn't involve some notable mod devs have been garbage for a while now. There's a reason scroll speed is an option there. The developers aren't going to force it upon the players and let them figure it out (unless you want to challenge yourself). Not everyone has superb reaction times to prepare for the very fast upcoming notes. Acai is built different as he's played Guitar Hero a _very_ long time and can hit notes on reaction really well. But the Tricky fight was meant to discourage mashing at Phase 3 and (especially the) unlockable 4th song since most players pass it using that method. Again though, not everyone plays the same nor do they share the same skill floor/ceiling. Anyways, it's nice you enjoyed the mod, Acai. Don't think much of the FNF fans and you'll have a good time.

[@nonapplicable6619]

TRUE.

[@ghostlydude6478]

Fnf community = undertale community, change my mind, but you can’t.

[@di4mnd409]

@@ghostlydude6478 how is this relevant to the comment

[@praisetheleo]

The FNF fandom altogether itself is just the worst thing you can find on the internet right now (next to dream stans)

[@ghostlydude6478]

@@di4mnd409 undertale used to have a fandom that was just like fnf, if anything history is just repeating itself now.

[@CrimsoniteSP]

In terms of rhythm games and options, there's a reason options are there. To customize the player experience. If people are mad over that, that's their issue. Btw, scroll speed doesn't equal difficulty. Sure, a huge part of the "difficulty" of Expurgation are the death notes. Not having a lot of time to react mean you hit those notes more often, bit on lower scroll speeds, it's less about reaction and more about an obstacle to traverse. Both are valid ways to play.

[@RenShinomiya121]

Chat is just a bunch of salty people who can't pass songs and justify doing "hard" stuff as the legit way. stay malding chat.

[@davebob8506]

you could also say that the payoff for lower speed is that the road signs cover more notes

[@davidk7439]

I can't expect Acai's chat to be super well-versed in all Rhythm games, since he's known for Clone Hero. that said, it's p a i n f u l l y clear none of them have ever touched a 4k mania type game for more than like, 5 minutes. Scroll speed's really cool in that it's not just a customization and preference option, but effectively changes what type of player you are. People that are really proficient in these games have different scroll speeds, but it doesn't change the difficulty, but it does change the *type* of difficulty. High scroll speed players have to react quickly, but after the muscle memory is worked out, they have a lot more visual clarity for hitting the notes, and timing them. Slow scroll speed players may not have to react quickly with reflexes, but they have the luxury of having a sea of notes on screen at a time, that they have go read and decipher the order, while also timing everything as it flows into the slots like molasses. They're different types of difficulty, but they're both at the same level.

[@pedroemilio7264]

As a 4k stepmania player, i can point that scroll speed changes a lot the type of difficult, depending on the song it can be easy or hard, in that case it changed to easy because the time of reaction but in a note spam chart, the faster the scroll speed the easier it gets, but yes, for me he didn't played legit since the obstacle of the song is exactly the reaction time but that is my opinion

[@forgettablePyromaniac]

@@davidk7439 as a continuation, many do perfer different scroll speeds. For Stepmania, I'm a 500-550 kinda person, but some people just need to read slower or perfer to read slower because of said sea of notes, and that's dope, you do you, but because I can't read that slow stream of notes, therefore I need to play at a faster speed. If it's too fast for you, slowing it down may help you out in the long run. Of course, trying things out of your comfort zone will always be benifical, but when it's like 700 speed, yea no. Chip away at it over time and you'll eventually land on the 700 spectrum.

[@whiskeymixxy]

People just complain because you did something that took them forever at literally the same difficulty, You just made it LOOK easier. It's the same notes per second people!

[@pedroemilio7264]

Besides being the same notes per second, the difficult of the song is exactly the time reaction to read these notes and reducing the scroll speed, that time increases being more easy to read the chart

[@hatrian]

It still is easier, but literally who cares it’s just a game

[@cCheesie]

(copied from another comment) Expurgation (and to a lesser extent, HELLCLOWN) is kind of a rare exception to the usual unspoken rules of scroll speed, mostly because of its use of "mines". Part of the actual difficulty in Expurgation is the combination of the mines plus a default scroll speed of roughly 3.5 or so, as opposed to the actual chart itself. Coupled with the distractions thrown in, it creates a difficult chart. When you lower the scroll speed, you remove a lot of that difficulty (albeit unintentionally) because there is no longer a need to worry about the mines when you have ample time to process them coming and avoid them, as opposed to having to anticipate them and avoid them. That difference is huge when it comes to the difficulty of the chart. The distractions also lose some of their effectiveness when the scroll speed is lower, as well, thus making them less of an issue (yet another drop in difficulty). It just so happens that Expurgation (and to a lesser extent, HELLCLOWN) is a rare exception where the scroll speed actually matters a great deal.

[@lemonzest8650]

@@cCheesie Expurgation is EASIER than Hellclown on a slower scroll speed. The mines in Expurgation are much less conspicuous than the ones in Hellclown, but they lose effectiveness at a slower scroll. Take into account that because of the increased danger Expurgation mines pose, theres a smaller number of them, meaning they lose even MORE effectiveness. Hellclown isnt really affected by slower scroll speeds because the mines are plenty in the chart, and it can overload the amount of information placed on the screen, and the lack of an easy to follow rhythm (time signatures always changing) makes it tricky.

[@cCheesie]

@@lemonzest8650 kinda except its way easier to focus on the actual notes and not hit the red ones in slower scroll speed atleast for me aswell also expurgation in general just has a harder chart

[@melliecolesg231]

I was just going like "I wish Madness was popular again." Then boom, Tricky mod drops.

[@Tokiko]

😔

[@macieligor3826]

i wish it was still dead ngl

[@wintr7803]

@Aiden Howell bro madness 12 is gonna take forever im literally animating my own madness flash animation bc its just a long fucking wait

[@yarknark]

@Aiden Howell at least it basically guarantees mc12 will be very good

[@jasu5650]

@@macieligor3826 IDIOTIC

[@b1tfl1p]

I think turning down the difficulty in favor of having actual fun is reasonable in any game. Plus scroll speed isn't exactly equal to difficulty (unlike ghost tapping). Having a high scroll speed can make it a lot harder and i hate it when mods do that because then you've just gotta rely on you reaction times instead of actually being good at rhythm games. Do whatever you want as long as you enjoy it.

[@LuisSilva-nt4vu]

Based

[@YourPalMal23]

@@LuisSilva-nt4vu based

[@YourPalMal23]

@Mega Idk I just repeated what the first guy said

[@mace3841]

Based

[@RainEDJ]

@Mega Based means agreeable or speaking the truth.

[@Nightmare-fe9hr]

Man the chart for expurgation is so funkin fun. the mod devs know the difference between unfair and unfun and that shit is a fine line

[@aidenmontes3463]

Agreed

[@Minti_7189]

Faster scroll = reaction time required Slower scroll = multi-tasking required There legit is a change of type of difficulty. If he finds multitasking easier there is no problem.

[@georgy2596]

If you find that being able to see the notes you’re playing is more fun, then do that

[@9darkspells]

No idea why chat went mad. Scroll speed is like, a change per song kinda deal in the stepmania community. You always set speed to what feels comfortable unless it breaks a mod chart

[@jaydinlamad25]

Doesnt it break the purpose of expurgation Unfair difficulty it's meant to be unfair he almost got it first try, and possibly the firet ppl i saw change the scroll speed i just curious.

[@cCheesie]

(copied from another comment) Expurgation (and to a lesser extent, HELLCLOWN) is kind of a rare exception to the usual unspoken rules of scroll speed, mostly because of its use of "mines". Part of the actual difficulty in Expurgation is the combination of the mines plus a default scroll speed of roughly 3.5 or so, as opposed to the actual chart itself. Coupled with the distractions thrown in, it creates a difficult chart. When you lower the scroll speed, you remove a lot of that difficulty (albeit unintentionally) because there is no longer a need to worry about the mines when you have ample time to process them coming and avoid them, as opposed to having to anticipate them and avoid them. That difference is huge when it comes to the difficulty of the chart. The distractions also lose some of their effectiveness when the scroll speed is lower, as well, thus making them less of an issue (yet another drop in difficulty). It just so happens that Expurgation (and to a lesser extent, HELLCLOWN) is a rare exception where the scroll speed actually matters a great deal.

[@moralstrash]

It did kinda break it but whatever

[@riverajustinmarks.]

In my opinion it really breaks the terror of hitting the halo notes. The people who made this aren't really evil to the point where they spammed it everywhere. There's barely in the beginning where most of them are in beginning or end of your turn ( there's literally just some placed out notes during the hold notes in the midway where Tricky yells Hank) only the end part was really hard because they increase the number of notes to avoid and start putting some of them in between normap notes. As evil as the final stretch looks like, it actually isn't as hard if you remember that the first notes of this whole song is the same as the ending and all you literally have to do is tap them again without missing most of them.

[@Dex02]

Rhythm gamer turns down scroll speed in order to make dumb speed actually readable, still hitting the same notes at the same speed??!?!???!??! (not clickbait)

[@emnersonn]

if they just had a damn highway option it would be fine lol

[@zowt6076]

he has more time to process the instakills, the notes getting hit the same is alright because thats how it is for all rythm games but specifically for tricky it makes it easier lol

[@Brent-jj6qi]

Yeah the highway speed being super high yet unchangeable is a war crime

[@yiff]

Fnf mods are chock full of outright artificial difficulty and cheese, yet people wonder why fnf and it's community is hated with such a burning passion by 99% of people, rhythm gamers especially Small edit: it actually makes me genuinely sad to see theres kids in the chat who are getting genuinely enraged by acai turning the garbage default scroll speed down

[@emmalion1976]

@@yiff calling it garbage is not necessary it's just not that good

[@AsePlayer]

The scroll speed thing is going to get more flak because it actually changes how the game looks. I don't think most fnf viewers care about the actual skill involved; they just want to see you do the thing the way you are "supposed" to.

[@Atlas_DXUlt]

It shocks me that people get upset at a game, especially when others play it differently. I'll say this, if it's in the settings and it's allowed to be changed then the game ALLOWS you to do it. Even if it means changing the songs scroll speed.

[@KiwiPaws76]

Thanks peter from hit show family man

[@Kyguy3333]

Hey stick war 3 man

[@yoshimanrpg]

FNF players fuming when speed runners play the game differently than everyone else

[@bassbusterx]

I think the only thing is that it is much easier to see the auditor/tricky notes so that whole mechanic is pretty much nullified.

[@liamfrench3090]

Why are acais facial expressions the same as bf while watching the cutscenes

[@goldsocks9999]

I want this to be officially part of the final release of fnf. Its way too good to be just regarded as a simple mod

[@Rise65487]

i can't wait for the upload of "Smoke 'em-out Struggle", it's such a great-mod with somes of the best songs made by modders Also, Garcello is best-boy with Hex, such a great mod

[@Machineseven]

hot take: Hex as a character makes my ears bleed and the mod needs some serious reworking

[@Bob-uh9fw]

Another hot take: i dont really like the smoke em out struggle mod

[@benoice2384]

Hot take 3 tricky is not as good as everyone things I don't enjoy it at all

[@Machineseven]

​@@benoice2384 hellclown aint that gr8 compared to the first 2 songs

[@scottjameson5358]

@@Machineseven I have to agree. IMO, Madness is such a banger of a song. Followed by Expurgation and Improbable Outset.

[@negative_cosinusoidal_function]

The chat during expurgation was SO mad

[@ZeKuso]

"there are a couple of you that are taking it serious if i do lower note scroll speed?!" "YES THERE ARE A COUPLE OF US WHO ARE COMPETENT" local man confuses scroll speed for difficulty, malds hard over the internet. more at 10.

[@bentowers3614]

Expurgation (and to a lesser extent, HELLCLOWN) is kind of a rare exception to the usual unspoken rules of scroll speed, mostly because of its use of "mines". Part of the actual difficulty in Expurgation is the combination of the mines plus a default scroll speed of roughly 3.5 or so, as opposed to the actual chart itself. Coupled with the distractions thrown in, it creates a difficult chart. When you lower the scroll speed, you remove a lot of that difficulty (albeit unintentionally) because there is no longer a need to worry about the mines when you have ample time to process them coming and avoid them, as opposed to having to anticipate them and avoid them. That difference is huge when it comes to the difficulty of the chart. The distractions also lose some of their effectiveness when the scroll speed is lower, as well, thus making them less of an issue (yet another drop in difficulty). It just so happens that Expurgation (and to a lesser extent, HELLCLOWN) is a rare exception where the scroll speed actually matters a great deal.

[@cynkai2523]

He said “aren’t” not “are”, which is why I said that.

[@dezgasting]

@@bentowers3614 because dare someone actually play a rhythm game as a rhythm game and not a reaction time test for four minutes.

[@Sckysz]

"Let's see how scroll speed 2.5 is" Wait a minute...

[@craxaon]

@Vinson Edwards no.

[@qballpak8775]

@Vinson Edwards No.

[@RepoXXD]

@Vinson Edwards no.

[@tophatteddd]

@Vinson Edwards no

[@azharidasti7090]

@Vinson Edwards 'ou

[@timmyp7]

Chat complaining about scroll speed is going to be "Hyperspeed is cheating" all over again, isn't it? We've come full circle.

[@darrenreg]

The Tricky mod is probably the best mod because there is no cringe ass "i'm gonna break ur body" anime character oc talkin it up between songs only to get absolutely deleted. Also has a greater sense of scale and danger against the challenger since clown looks like he can actually fuck something up. Also the songs shred.

[@detrilogue3174]

and anyone who's seen the series he's from KNOWS he can fuck things up

[@Trigger0x10c]

I love how he actually forces the health bar back even if you're playing well in his last song. Only the best sigma grinders get to beat his ass

[@sinfulbehaviors2004]

To be fair, it's a rhythm game. It's about characters talking a big game and then losing to the beep boy. There doesn't really need to be a sense of danger to it, considering it's mostly rap battles. Hell, in the real game there's only one character with a sense of danger, and that's Tank Man.

[@Trigger0x10c]

@@sinfulbehaviors2004 that's not his point. A lot of mods have OCs that are supposed to be powerful, but really aren't. Really hurts the experience. Imagine like a mod for Thanos where he opens up with an hour long monologue about how fucked you are then farts out 5 notes and dies. If the character is supposed to be powerful, it should be reflected in the gameplay.

[@darrenreg]

@@Trigger0x10c It's also why I liked Hex cuz he was just a bro having fun instead of just being a generalized rat about things.

[@iccymadeit]

Acai is literally the first person i've seen who stopped pressing the fire notes on purpose as soon as they saw their health was being depleted.

[@bunchaidiots2065]

I have a lot of respect for this man. He is not the best, but he doesnt act like he is. He's a great guy. So many other Rhythm gamers on youtube act like theyre the best, and then provide mediocre gameplay. Im glad you're not like that.

[@VortexRiversss]

agreed, down to earth can be seen without boasting about it, if im making any sense

[@superspice200]

Kinda crazy how people get mad about other people playing games differently than they think they should be played

[@VortexRiversss]

its right back into the "if games aren't hard, why would i play them" or "your a baby and can't play games", cause you wanna play differently and theres a fucking options menu for a reason LOL

[@christianred9730]

It's not like it's a competition with a specific note speed for money. That would probably be a good reason to get upset. But no, it's just someone livestreaming a mod for fun and the reactions of people watching him play.

[@Juutsu]

The thumbnail is the best thing I’ve seen all week

[@acai28]

thanks i did it myself

[@OmegaDeltaOmicron]

@@acai28 how far can you pee and poop?? Id readlly like to no!! I can pee 10 feat!! What about you??? I can't poop far though😭😭

[@Nebulum]

@@OmegaDeltaOmicron comedy

[@lordtoomas]

Acai pog

[@levilee207]

Most mods/weeks tend to always have a weaker song as either the first or second but every single song in this mod is fucking fire. I'm boppin my head along with you every time

[@joraanbrown1819]

I like how everyone was flaming him in the chat and completely forgot the man was "human" were not all the same

[@Soyeldarkion]

I don't know how, but I fucking beat it at the normal speed. Seeing this change to the notes... Slower... I wanted to cry. 6 hours to complete it.

[@Brent-jj6qi]

@@Soyeldarkion it’s just as hard because it’s the same notes per second, you just don’t have to deal with each note being on screen for half a fucking frame

[@moralstrash]

@@Brent-jj6qi So, its harder, yes

[@Brent-jj6qi]

@@moralstrash Its unfair and autistic

[@christianred9730]

@@Brent-jj6qi you don't know what autistic means, so why use it in a scenario like this? That's stereotypical bs there.

[@TheBeast9417YT]

I love how Acai didn’t notice how Hellclown Tricky flips BF off.

[@LookItsPlungerMan]

Tricky has 4 fingers 😕

[@stormedrain]

note scroll speed is something that has always made charts exponentially harder for me personally since I've always had actually disgustingly low reaction speed, lower scroll speed for me equates to an infinitly easier map and makes me have more fun than "wow I physically cannot hit these unless I actually memorize the map note by note and get the rhythm perfect "

[@iliketoast3211]

if 1 is the default speed and 0.1 is the slowest, what note speed would you play at? im curious because you call your reaction time slow lol

[@stormedrain]

@@iliketoast3211 its 300 ms type slow

[@Voidspun-Yarns]

13:15 Acai: *beats Hellclown* The video isn't even halfway over OnO

[@Dead_Mow]

7:30 love the dono synched with the cutscene of gf pointing up

[@travesreese1448]

Haters gunna hate, you were literally like a couple notes from the end 1st try, don't knkw why they mad if u slow it down a bit to complete it, literally already a legend for getting that far the 1st playthrough

[@RenShinomiya121]

Non rhythm gamers saying slower scroll speed = cheating. By that logic, keybinding is cheating, faster scroll speed is cheating, note skins is cheating.

[@cCheesie]

@@RenShinomiya121 i dont mind him using slower sped he can complete it how he wants but come on it DOES change the difficulty (copied this from another comment) Expurgation (and to a lesser extent, HELLCLOWN) is kind of a rare exception to the usual unspoken rules of scroll speed, mostly because of its use of "mines". Part of the actual difficulty in Expurgation is the combination of the mines plus a default scroll speed of roughly 3.5 or so, as opposed to the actual chart itself. Coupled with the distractions thrown in, it creates a difficult chart. When you lower the scroll speed, you remove a lot of that difficulty (albeit unintentionally) because there is no longer a need to worry about the mines when you have ample time to process them coming and avoid them, as opposed to having to anticipate them and avoid them. That difference is huge when it comes to the difficulty of the chart. The distractions also lose some of their effectiveness when the scroll speed is lower, as well, thus making them less of an issue (yet another drop in difficulty). It just so happens that Expurgation (and to a lesser extent, HELLCLOWN) is a rare exception where the scroll speed actually matters a great deal.

[@AlexisBlade2001]

@@cCheesie there's something wrong about that... for some players, they can't play with a low scrollspeed... Ok, there's some songs that use a fast scrollspeed, but also there's others who uses a slower one... While they can play the faster ones normally, they can't play these slow ones, so, I order to "fix their problems" they decides to increase the speed, and I'm one of these dudes who can't play with slow speed ('cause I feel the notes are merging each other) And... As the second guy commented, if changing the scrollspeed is cheating, is as well changing the keybinding, noteskin, offsets, gauges (some games with certain Health Bars)

[@cCheesie]

@@AlexisBlade2001 yeah but expurgation is the EXCEPTION the 2nd guys comment is POINTLESS because expurgation has UNIQUE MECHANICS that makes slowing down the game cheating whereas in most other songs its not. Just like if there was a song with like purposefully wierd keybinds or something i would also consider changing keybinds cheating

[@mc.type_guy]

Like that one dude in chat said: people saying slower scroll speed = baby mode have never played a rhythm game

[@shaitet]

Most FNF fans have never played another rhythm game besides FNF lmfao.

[@verticalrushes9168]

glad to see you play this update

[@RemyRaccoon]

Even ignoring the fact that people can play on whatever the heck note speed they want, I always found FNF, Stepmania etc harder at higher speeds because the notes scrolling straight down instead of at an angle means they take up more space on the screen and it’s a little harder (for some people, myself included) to focus on a wider area of the screen. Rock Band and Clone Hero take up less screen real estate and are at an angle so it’s easier to process even at higher speeds, and even something like DJMAX RESPECT, which is presented similarly to FNF, is easier because notes aren’t huge and they don’t travel right from the top to the bottom of the screen. But that’s just me I suppose. Either way, people who whine about note speeds have never played a rhythm game themselves. You do you dude

[@AjtheFunky]

"cheater" for using a mechanic for it's intended use lol

[@etuann4744]

"He's playing a chart that's blocks upcoming notes, drags his health bar down, and throws insta-kill notes, how dare he lower the scroll speed so that he can read it properly!!" It's almost like the reason for scroll speed options in rhythm games is to make charts readable for the PLAYER.

[@skizlae]

Acai: "Why is ghost tapping off? Because I'm not afraid to play a hard song." Acai in literally the same video: "aw shit you cant turn down the scroll speed" quick edit: no hate to the man himself, i just found this a bit funny. i couldnt care less about whether he changes it or not. i get it

[@acai28]

ghost tapping on? no one cares scroll speed low? the world goes insane

[@Vosian]

scroll speed =/= difficulty

[@crazybeatrice4555]

@@Vosian sometimes that scroll speed can be crazy

[@memes_gbc674]

@@Vosian scroll speed ~ difficulty

[@EinManU]

@@Vosian scroll speed = difficulty

[@Stunion_D_Onion]

And so… Acai got canceled by his own fan base because he played funny flash game in certain a way

[@VortexRiversss]

oof yeah

[@Vera_Nova]

People complaining about speed mods? In 2021? On god? Note: mods and bar play were argued about in the early DDR community, so kinda just a weird flashback, though the fact that dropping the speed instead of increasing it is the argument is kinda surreal 🤣

[@unknownentityenthusiast6765]

Yeah, people argue over anything that isn’t default settings.

[@sharkai9414]

if a dev made an option to change scroll speed then it's fine, wtf guys

[@sweetieswifey627]

"Am I the Dream of Friday Night Funkin'?" I died laughing istg

[@csmaddict]

i like how acai is one of the only people that just instantly say "oh i can't hit that" when they hit a fire note

[@icicleditor]

I respect the scroll speed reduction- you play the way you want to play. To quote a nintendie dude: "if it's not fun, why bother"

[@lainers69]

it’s so cool to see madness combat come back and be popular again

[@free_playstation_2]

bruh Expurgation goes HARD Tiky goes fucking crazy

[@emnersonn]

i know right

[@Mc_Adore-r]

15:22 classic circus theme

[@aurilio5633]

I love the fact he played with no Ghost tapping, that was literally the reason he died and couldnt beat it first try

[@starsilverinfinity]

Always nice to see someone enjoying a great mod!

[@emnersonn]

34:48 acai meowing moment

[@bluebox1308]

This vid actually taught me that the scroll speed could be toned down lol. Still a really good play no matter what though

[@ineedsleep1445]

“put me in the video” - Crossheir Well I mean…you got what you wanted

[@Yesiken5ux]

Acai: *Changes the scroll speed and 1st tries Expurgation* The chat: *C H E A T E R M A N.*

[@sunnysideup137]

smoothbrains in chat thinking that a slower scroll speed actually does anything meaningful to the difficulty. yikes

[@Sarahsqueak]

considering he wasn’t able to beat it without the lower speed, clearly it does something meaningful to the difficulty.

[@thatrandom_canadian]

To be fair, it does meaningfully change the difficulty of a chart with a gimmick where you have to have to react to avoid a specific note. A slower scroll makes it easier to avoid said notes since you have longer to react. Nothing against doing it, I myself am so shit at rhythm games I had a hard enough time getting through normal base fnf, but it's disingenuous to say it does "nothing meaningful to the difficulty" of this particular case.

[@dashieldmasta177]

@@thatrandom_canadian And yet a slow scroll speed would severely fuck up your tempo on note reads and make the mines a lingering problem you have to multitask around. This is a mechanic designed and used for slower charts more often than not.

[@dezgasting]

@@Sarahsqueak because slower chart relies less on reaction speed. not everyone is good in that department and that's okay. not everyone is gonna have 150ms reaction of an esports player. that is something you need to consistently train and that is something that naturally worsens with age too.

[@tryevtw]

@@Sarahsqueak mald doe

[@ephemera-noctourniquet]

"All of a sudden, it's real DDR!" The In The Groove community would like to have a word with you

[@michaelrobertson4298]

We have regressed back to Hyperspeed is a cheat days

[@MetallicD3ath]

fwiw, I always try on the "default" note speed - I think it's the most "cinematic" and generally the dev's or charter's "intended" note speed. I think a higher note speed *generally* makes the game harder....but then there's the opposite where super low can make it likewise harder. They're both, well, difficult to read. And I think, sometimes, that's designed to be part of the challenge. Because of that, I *do* think changing the note speed because it's hard to read "is baby," but at the end of the day, it's a game, you should have fun, and "baby" is okay. And honestly lower (or higher) note speed is a completely valid option for practice even if you think it's not "legit." But also, theoretically speaking... if you manage to memorize the whole chart, the note speed *doesn't matter at all.* So maybe that just invalidates my entire opinion.

[@zornstein_-9472]

Acai just wanted to hurry and beat it too

[@realBIG1500]

Finally a real rhythm game player no ghost tapping 🙏🏽

[@emnersonn]

ikr it’s baby mode

[@bunchaidiots2065]

I love how people say theyre good then have ghost tapping on.

[@mucuslime]

Y’all bein toxic asf if you’re serious. Let people play how they wanna play.

[@realBIG1500]

@PuppoGaming into basically when you press and you miss health doesn't go down

[@realBIG1500]

@PuppoGaming basically spam when you turn it on you can spam as much as you want and you won't lose health but if you turn it off it's anti-spam

[@TheAdvertisement]

8:54 Damn dude your reaction skills to not hit the rest of the fire notes were sick!

[@mavericked]

i'm losing my mind over this mod has so much more sleeker development than the ACTUAL game, god bless the FNF community

[@phlapjakz]

‼️‼️STREAMER ADJUSTS SETTINGS IN A GAME SO HE CAN ENJOY IT TO THE FULLEST ‼️‼️ ok but fr nice video 👌

[@E.F.W.]

It’s an L for the ones that are upset over the speed.👌

[@VortexRiversss]

and a W for you understanding that everyone plays differently

[@sherbftfy2287]

4:10 twitter users when you diss Dream

[@pigfish99]

holy crap during expurg, I was clenching so hard when those funny notes came up, even though I wasn't even playing o_o;

[@sylvie39]

it’s the ‘HAAAAAAANK’ in expurgation that just HITS DIFFERENT EVERY TIME i love it so much

[@youreawizardkari7691]

This is why I barely watch LPs anymore. It’s like there’s usually a loud minority of people who tell someone how to play. One person’s experience with a game will be completely different from someone else’s, and that’s OK! Video games are meant to be enjoyed by diverse groups of people, and forcing them to play a specific way to get specific results just ruins the whole thing. Ironically enough, some of those who tell others how to play the game haven’t played it themselves!

[@FurbyParade226]

Imagine telling GuitarHeroPhenom back in the day that all his FC's are cancelled because he played without Hyper Speed.

[@emperormoist3851]

i spent 5 hours trying to beat expurgation and this mans almost did it only the first try bruh

[@TheBelovedBun]

I feel like watching the chat when he decreased the scroll speed was the most enjoyable part of this video lmao But yeah, good video! Gotta catch these streams sometime.

[@illusions-2691]

having fun? Not allowed. You gotta keep that insane scroll speed and beat EVERY SINGLE rhythm gamer. Scroll speed? DOWN? how dare you. Play it on note speed 30000000. That's what I beat it on, because I'm GOOD. Sigma male, out 😎

[@timelesszxl2737]

25:19 - 25:35 that part of Expurgation goes hard ngl

[@Wolfbroa]

Aww man did you not show the tricky chicken dance opening that is always great

[@rosaroja1026]

Tricky’s long notes being screams of confusion: Bf: Damn bro that’s a sick note to beep to-

[@dafloppa5638]

Yo, we gotta get this guy to play the newer siivagunner rips, if they're even available to play. I'm not sure about it, but he's gotta see em' one way or another

[@DullahanKai]

The breakdown in Madness never fails to give me chills.

[@jessebastarache3370]

Guy: wtf is going on Clown: *is gone* Girlfriend: 🙂 Clown: *is satan* Girlfriend: 🙃

[@Gardelias]

There are games where reading at slower scroll speeds is straight up harder than at faster ones so whoever malded there needs to go for a walk outside OMEGALUL

[@lil_ducc4491]

everyone is going insane because he changed the scroll speed, lmao. But seriously, if there's an option to change the speed to your liking, why not use it? It would me a *very* limited mod to play if it wasn't for the options.

[@darthserenity6906]

you are literally a god at this game! it's really fun watching you play!

[@TressaAimuuru]

Why are people upset at the scroll speed being slower? It's still the same song, just moving slower. The inputs are the exact same >.>; It might be some misconception about Rhythm Games that things going fast = hard

[@beaneyguy3815]

That's kind of how it works, fast goes indeed equal harder

[@Trigger0x10c]

Less time to react = more tears Doesn't justify people being so upset about this, but technically true.

[@Outzid3r]

Well, the faster the notes the faster you need to react so yeah, it's a little bit harder

[@dydp1]

@@Outzid3r faster scroll speed also makes patterns easier to read so wtv

[@Kipwich]

Scroll speed is more a matter of personal preference and accessibility rather than something that’s meant to be part of the difficulty. Just like how for controls some people prefer arrow keys, some people prefer WASD, some people prefer DFJK, and so on, it’s also the case that for scroll speeds some people like it slower and some people like it faster. Slower is easier to react to but harder to read. Faster is harder to react to but easier to read.

[@pkfiremain710]

after he beat expurgation some fucker said "You don't deserve a celebration." Imagine being that mad.

[@Deadsphere]

I'm not an FNF guy but this is pretty cool

[@i_checkmate]

HOW CAN YOU PLAY BETTER THAN ME HOLDING KEYBOARD LIKE THAT?!?!

[@joaopina5113]

why does the sign have bones

[@MisterRegretti]

Banbuds himself said why not

[@platterbudder]

7:30 the timing on that was perfect

[@Terminator26882]

toxic fanbase strong with this one

[@somerandomdood3478]

Bro when he was struggling of solving what doesn’t make sense in mods with the background music was kinda scary imo

[@feralva2727]

What if phase 3 tricky was Jello instead of fire

[@qrae_qrae6629]

RHYTHM GAMER CHANGES SCROLL SPEED AND GETS FLAMED BY CLOSE MINDED FNF PLAYERS

[@carsonbrinkman2582]

yeahhhh people take this shit way to seriously i agree but please dont let some of your fanbase ruin it i think its seriously not the fnf fanbase its the clone hero hardcore ones :( just do it if you like it we dont want you to play it if you hate it

[@acai28]

I guarantee you the people talking shit do NOT watch my clone hero streams LOL

[@carsonbrinkman2582]

@@acai28 even so I think that people watch you because you preform well I don't want you to play something you hate! don't feel obligated i guess is all I'm saying we love your content as long as your you

[@CrystalRose1111]

Dude the fnf community are assholes they get mad when you misinterpret a characters backstory

[@Herrsch_]

Starts in 5/4, then 7/4, gives a quick 4/4(8:49), 7/4 and 9/4 (10:02 for 8 measures) before going back to 5/4 (10:24) which is a callback to the earlier 4/4 before ending on 7/4. I'm reiterating what someone else told me time signature wise, but the composition is fucking nuts and I love it.