I Prefer 7.62x39 over 5.56 NATO Based On My Experience In Iraq. I Don't Care What You Saw On YouTube

[@YouveBeenMiddled]

** I've been turning cover into concealment for nearly 125 years.

[@spacetruckin6555]

Yes you have and I love you very much, but, you're also very expensive, heavy and are long in overall round length. Your long case length requires long, heavy bolt actions to cycle you in semi-auto. M1 Garands are also expensive and heavy, but awesome. BARs are even more expensive and heavier still. Bolt actions are the solution, if you have a support fire team.

[@HammerK99]

❤

[@jjjr.1186]

​​@@spacetruckin6555 the great lakes ar10 in 3006 is 999$. Bear Creek. Noreen and many more make DI ar10 type 3006 rifles. Vepr AK rifles in 3006 are nice. And then finally Remington 750 7400 742 740. Beneli r1 , pietta chronos rifles. Winchester srx semi automatic rifles. And fn49 rifles. And many more semi automatic rifles in 3006 exist. I have a Beneli r1. And a Remington 740. Both take 10rd mags. Both have been extremely reliable. And both are definitely accurate enough for combat. Also AP 3006 is still sold on the civilian market. Unlike 223 or 308.

[@jacksonthompson7099]

Honestly 7.62 NATO is just 30-06 shorten from 63mm too 51mm. M2 ball spec ammo is a 150 grain bullet running about 2720-2750. We had M1 ball which is a 173 grain bullet at about 2640 fps. Due to negligent discharges we went too M2 for cost reason. HOWEVER 30-06 as we know today comes from 1906. Known as M1906 ball it's a 150 grain flat base bullet at 2700 fps. Where 30-06 made its mark in my opinion is how much M2 AP we made. Guess we need make bullet cores with 600 range brinel hardness scale great again.

[@vicerichter1163]

​@@jacksonthompson7099 getting tungsten cores should do the job bud. Gotta remember. If you can make the round faster and harder. It will go thru armor no problem.

[@justcallmejoeable]

I carry a 7.62 because they don't make a 7.63

[@SolarGeneral]

True but they do make an 8mm.

[@OG_Okie_98_sooners]

Hate to breakit to you but there is a 7.63x25mm pistol.

[@Clangokkuner]

Yeah but 7.63 Mauser exists

[@OG_Okie_98_sooners]

@@Clangokkuner exactly

[@T7_H3rbz]

7.65 Argentine, "am I a joke to you? "

[@nicholasg3250]

People will say stopping power doesn’t matter but in the same breath tell you 5.56 isn’t good for hogs lol

[@milanvrekic1209]

I just want a definition of stopping power? Kinetic energy at impact point ? - fine. But let's drop the "it's not measurable but it's there" nonsense

[@sullathehutt7720]

​@@milanvrekic1209 "The overall propensity of a given bullet to stop a hostile person or animal."

[@milanvrekic1209]

​@sullathehutt7720 what is the unit or measurement for the "propensity"?

[@nicholasg3250]

@@milanvrekic1209 I agree with your definition , but would add that the energy being transferred isn’t the only factor, different bullets/shrapnel will behave differently upon entering the body. There’s also hydrostatic shock. I also think it’s nonsense he said “its immeasurable.” A larger bullet doesn’t always inflict more damage/stopping power but at the right speed it will do so compared to a bullet which is smaller but going at the same or faster speed. Then of course other factors such as shape of the bullet etc.

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

A hog is thicker from tail to head than you are from chest to heart. I don't need to go through the butt or the skull to get metal into someone's ticker.

[@Blackjacksarmory]

I’m former Army Infantry and all I’ll say is 7.62x39 turns cover into concealment very quickly.

[@perilousrange]

Facts. A cinder block demo changes opinions quickly.

[@bloodking73]

Paul harrel even did a video where he laid down several rows of cinder blocks and it took significantly less rounds to get through

[@MrDpb119]

Stopping power is definitely a thing. If you have ever hit something breathing with a large caliber vs smaller caliber, you can see it. It’s still a balance of weight and numbers of rounds. I have considered an M1A scout vs an AR. I have an AR10 in 6.5 Creedmoor. Very accurate, but it’s a heavy tank to carry. I also have an AK, but it’s an older single stack. I have no complaints about AK’s.

[@MrT13]

@@MrDpb119nowadays you don’t need an ak to send 500 more ft lbs down the barrel. All my x39 ar’s are fantastic pieces of equipment.

[@rando3448]

The point is that God and John Moses Browning gave us the Lord's Caliber, 50BMG.

[@bleu_chzst924]

🙄

[@George_Soros.]

Amen 🎉

[@louislavoie1238]

155mm shells ...pussies

[@user-lv8dj9uh9b]

IWB carry?

[@tombearclaw]

50bmg is scaled up from .30-06 5.56 is scaled down from .30-06

[@EnlightenedAtheistPhotog-mh1ty]

Father Mikhail warned of the ills of 5.45. The AK round is 7.62x39, it's killer.

[@LRRPFco52]

Weird how Spetsnaz prefers 5.45x39 and ditched 7.62x39 generations ago.

[@sullathehutt7720]

​@@LRRPFco52 There are many different SpetsNaz units with a wide variety of mission sets and preferred equipment. SOBR, Alfa, Vympel, Naval SpetsNaz, 45th Guards, etc. Plenty of Russian SOF still use the 7.62 Soviet round, usually in an AK-103 these days. In Ukraine, it's mostly about volume-of-fire, suppression & maneuver, so the lighter 5.45 cartridge makes more sense to hump around. Grenades are more important for actually killing entrenched enemy troops.

[@LRRPFco52]

@@sullathehutt7720 I know. If you look at the various Spetsnaz units from the 1970s-present and what AK variants they use, it has predominantly been 5.45x39. In Afghanistan, they used some AKM with suppressors among mostly AK-74s, which led to the development of the VAL and VSS in 9x39 (not AK variants). The weapons mix has been more of AKS-74, RPK-74, SVD, PKM, AKS-74/GP-25, and RPG, along with other shoulder-fired AT and explosive weapons. AK-103 was developed for export.

[@sullathehutt7720]

@@LRRPFco52 Just today I saw Chechens in Kharkov with AK-103s. I remember seeing footage of Russian MPs in Balakleya earlier in the war with AK-103s. It is a pretty common weapon in OMON armories. But you're right, the lion's share of sales are to countries like India, Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, etc.

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

​@@sullathehutt7720 Chechens are a pretend force lol the minute they got hit by artillery and ambushes Kadyrov posted a video crying his eyes out. It's Kharkiv. Kharkov is the Russian spelling, it betrays you as a Russian shill. Do better.

[@SHOTRED555]

308 gang over here

[@OG_Okie_98_sooners]

Hey look up PTR-91. Its a knock off of the h&k g3. 308 of course

[@THESLlCK]

@@OG_Okie_98_sooners buddy has one. It's got problems. Supposedly all of them do. Not cycling, just hitting things that are supposed to be hit

[@HatsuneM1ku01]

@@THESLlCKjust get a psa pa10 and get a Jp enterprise bolt face. Will out perform that heavy bass gabage clone for 800 dollars less

[@jakeh6980]

308 AK and 7.62 AKs. Then my 30-06 and 300 weatherby for long distance. I’m covered. No pansy 5.56 or ARs in this camp

[@THESLlCK]

@@jakeh6980 covered from what?

[@idontcare-ct7jm]

Whatever anyone says, more powerful firearms are more powerful. Ask physics

[@levinlevinallday]

People that tout 556 as ineffective need to keep that same energy when talking about 545. They're pretty much equals.

[@RosaParksWasWyt]

The sheep is not equal to the lion 🐑🐑

[@enforcerstarwolf5792]

Yes but also remember most 5.45 rounds use a 92 grain projectile more mass = more k.e. Edit-my bad 60gr not 92gr but I believe because the steel core penetrator is a little longer and closer to the back it tumbles easer

[@nam430]

@@enforcerstarwolf5792 tf where did u get that info

[@MackTheGovnah]

@@enforcerstarwolf5792I think they use a 60gr.

[@Jeremy-pi5mz]

What in the blue fuck? 5.45 ranges from 53-70gr and is a completely different design than 5.56 . Preforms different

[@airborneinfantry23]

12 years ago when I went through basic, I remember I was on ammo detail, and my drill sergeants having a conversation, (with each other, not us), while they were test firing our M4’s for sim training. One was saying that when he was somewhere in Iraq, he shot a dude like 5 times in the chest, and he kept coming. He said he finally shot him in the head and the dude “dropped like a bag of dicks”.

[@loganwykstra7922]

I appreciate your truthfulness. Talking the talk and walking the walk is the difference.

[@brendanh8978]

It's not that 5.56 is great at stopping threats. It's that 5.56 is good enough when balancing several different factors that a combined-arms military needs to take into account. Easy to control on full auto. Lighter and can carry more, meaning you can attain fire superiority in a firefight. That lets the unit maneuver and pin the enemy, call in air or artillery, etc. It's "effective" at a long enough range to be useful, without wasting excess power on unrealistic longer combat ranges. Fairly flat shooting and light recoiling, easier to train the 5%-95% recruit to use effectively. Etc. It's really a corporate accountant's round. The employees might hate it, but it's what's most beneficial for the company's bottom line.

[@mattfleming86]

Dude that was WELL said. 5.56 was what enabled those "extra" personality types to say "Yeah bro I started carrying 16 mags after that one firefight"

[@mrtlsimon]

I've watch the Tactical Timmy's gobble Guntubers for years. They refuse to believe anyone but "their guy" regardless of logic or the experience of the person speaking. I am a firearms instructor that recommended realistic operating airsoft guns as training aids to real firearms around 2010 - 2012 time frame. Tac Timmies came out of the woodwork talking about it being ridiculous. Then Travis made a video 4 or 5 years later and it was a if the gospel had been spoken from the mountain top. Tactical Timmy's are a firearm industry marketing wet dream. Get the right Guntuber to rep your products and they will buy it.

[@matthewlewis-zw3tf]

Lol I love it!

[@889976889]

I can’t tell you how many veterans I know who choose 762x39 for SHTF over 556. Either way choose what works for you, personally I’m a 308 kinda guy.

[@Paladin.Brandis]

I choose both fuck it lol 🤪

[@OG_Okie_98_sooners]

Dont blame u

[@889976889]

I also have both as well

[@wyateerp1]

@@Paladin.Brandis Yep. Built both a 7.62x39 and 5.56x45 in AR flavor. Both have enhanced firing pins . Best of both worlds. Just keep spare parts available, Extractor and stuff.They run well

[@richcastle]

@@wyateerp1 what mags you use? unimag is out of business

[@frost8077]

I've been questioning 5.56 as I learn more about guns, but questioning 5.56 makes people get so angry and I don't get it. I'm glad to have this video show up.

[@flintironstag9983]

Anger isn’t the word at all. But when you have some experienced people saying 5.56 is great and others saying it’s inadequate one starts doing their own research and realize warfighters have been complaining about they lethality of their weapons since the metallic cartridge was invented.

[@jackmcfarlane7173]

@@flintironstag9983 it's been that way since way before that, brother

[@Mark-uh4zd]

556 is great because it’s cheap to practice with, can carry more ammo, low recoil, etc. however, something like a 308 will have better stopping power. But hey, this has been an argument since the cartridge was invented.

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

​@@Mark-uh4zd Stopping power doesn't exist. 308 has acceptable yaw characteristics and energy retention. But it requires a level of skill to use that's going to be less common. Those who can make harder shots will feel their skill his being hindered by caliber, which causes others to also feel inadequate. But the problem is that if you give everyone 308 they'll miss more and have less ammo to miss with. So mathematically, they lose against and equal sized force carrying 5.56 as they can just trade fire until the 308 opfor runs out and then use their extra ammo to close in and overpower the others.

[@brianzimmerman4837]

The major issue being homeboy who made the video doesn't understand why Mr. Haley had the issues he did with Mk262, or why he had his alleged issues with M855. I'll give Mr. Grenade his free spot on the anti 5.56 hipster bingo card, and say that there have been numerous studies into the effect of M855 by the DOD and Army that led to M855 being abandoned since it is an objectively terrible cartridge. What Mr. Grenade doesn't understand is the phenomenon of ice picking. He knows it happens, but he doesn't know why and falsely applies it to all 5.56. Ice picking is what happens when a projectile maintains its stability and integrity through a target, leading to handgun wounding characteristics. For rifle wounding characteristics to occur, the projectile must lose its stability (yaw) and/or lose its integrity (deform or fragment) at a velocity higher than 2500fps. Tendancy for ice picking can be seen in ballistics gell testing in a part of the wound tract called the neck. A hole that is roughly the diameter of the projectile before the wound tract opens up due to a loss of stability/integrity of the projectile. In M855, the neck sits between 6" to 12". With OTM, the neck usually sits around 2" to 4" with 6" being uncommon, but not unseen. Put that into context of the human torso. If you're malnourished, you may only have a 8" deep torso, and all the important bits sit about 4" in to your torso. Mr. Haley was unlucky. If he were using M855A1 where frag occurs usually within an inch, and yaw starts around 3" to 4", he wouldn't have had to take as many shots. That doesn't make 5.56 anemic, especially when the overwhelming majority of the uses of Mk262 have been one to three shot stops.

[@tacticalmattfoley]

308Win has been used in Ukraine to great effect. Allegedly, they've asked for more of it because it makes "big wet holes" and takes someone out of the fight in one shot.

[@fgc5243]

And they ask for everything

[@bangkokinc.4233]

Lol 😂 do you shoot?

[@Quicks1lvr]

They'd take anything so long as it's free and undocumented

[@ericm0612]

Maybe, but it's heavy.

[@off6848]

I’ve only ever seen them ask for .338 Lapua mag for snipers

[@Enrique_Fuego]

Your original vid on this is what really tied all the other testimonies together for me. After that I went back to do more T&E on 7.62x39 in various weights. I love the fact that you mentioned the rounds simplicity & effectiveness despite barrel lengths, twist rates and projectile weights. Needless to say since then I’ve been acquiring nothing but platforms chambered in such (aside from 1-2 random finds). Thank you for this! 💯

[@jw8901]

I'm also a Marine grunt and when I got out, the rifle I bought for myself was not a 5.56. I do have one but it's not my go to/main rifle. I remember all of us complaining about the 5.56 when we were on deployment. I'll say this, the 5.56 is a much cheaper round than the new 6.8x51mm (.277 sig fury) and yet the military is switching over to that so that should tell you something.

[@OG_Okie_98_sooners]

Budget department finally opened their ears lol

[@T7_H3rbz]

It tells me that the big army forgot all the lessons we learned from every modern war

[@elchinoguerito8915]

So what I'm hearing is soon the caliber will be "military grade"... That should tell you something Hint: lowest bidder

[@Joe-hz1nw]

That new rifle with its optic and suppressor standard weighs like 14 lbs. My back hurts just thinking about carrying that.

[@jackmcfarlane7173]

@@T7_H3rbz all the wars we've fought in modern times have been against combatants well beneath us in terms of economic/industrial/technological power. We've only been fighting in third world countries where the enemy can't afford body armor to stop low caliber rounds, or high powered optics to outrange us, or modern medical equipment to turn fatal hits into non-fatal hits. In that scenario it makes sense to trade energy on target for less weight and less cost. But it really only works well against an enemy who doesn't have as much economic might as we do.

[@jennibaker3444]

8×57 Mauser has entered the chat...

[@bloodking73]

Find a modern gun that uses it

[@sullathehutt7720]

​@@bloodking73 Zastava M76? 😅

[@brianc9374]

Now that the grand daddy of them all is here, the chat has ended. 7.92x57 is a beast

[@brianc9374]

@@bloodking73 cz and mausers are back in production There's millions of surplus still on market. The real problem is lack of loading options by ammo manufacturers. I don't reload and was frustrated by that.

[@bloodking73]

@@sullathehutt7720 cool, now find a gun store selling new production, they dont exsist, even second hand is rare at best

[@heartUndersnow]

I remember your first video a year ago about this topic; first time I came across your channel. Thank you!

[@stephenmendez2342]

I enjoy your vids man thank you, keep makin em. Recently got into 7.62x39 against others wishes but I wanted a ak since I held one in my teens and looked at the cartridge. When I was growing up everyone had and wanted an AK now a days it's a 300 or rifle pistol variant in 556.

[@JiveTurkey1618]

I was a Marine too but for my first personal rifle I got a Zastava and modernized it. Wolf Ammo is great for outdoor shooting, accurate enough to hit the targets I shoot. I have a 3x prism and everyone who shoots with it is pretty accurate. Even my Fiancé who is kind of afraid of guns can hit steel at 100 yards. Sure 308 has more power, but 7.62x39 is softer shooting while retaining that whoompf factor. Especially at realistic fighting distances for most situations. Sure ammo got more expensive but you can still stock up for under 50 cents a round online and PSA is making it finally. I watched your videos before choosing a rifle and you definitely helped me make the right decision. A big plus is it’s just more fun to shoot than an AR. My buddy brought a high-speed AUG to his range and I had my M70. People enjoyed the AK more, and I thought (man, if he offered to trade his $3000 rifle for my $1100 one, unless I was looking to resell and rebuy, I would say no thanks. 😆) As far as ammo supply during SHTF if I needed to use more than 500 rounds to survive with no assistance from others, I will be dead anyway. 🤷‍♂️

[@m26_lemon_grenade55]

Not reading all that.....this is not me being rude but if you have this much information you want to share, I encourage you to make your own videos

[@permanenceaesthetic6545]

I’d love to see your take on handgun calibers, and what handgun(s) you regularly carry. Sorry if it sounds kinda normie, but I am curious and do value your opinion.

[@jason200912]

The bullet brand you choose is more important than the caliber. The caliber arguement is more for fuddy boomers that only use fmj for defense. There's so many defense instances where running fmjs required 8 or 10 torso and limb shots to finally put an attacker down. One (gang member probably) man was even shot with 22lr in vitals and still was able to run to the hospital and die while on surgery

[@macadelicmusic]

I’d love to see this as well.

[@jibletjibletstein8040]

Yeah I’d like to hear as well

[@headshotnation921]

Yes !

[@DadHominem]

The same issue was raised by those with actual combat experience in Vietnam. The issue was dutifully ignored by the decision-makers. Hopefully the new 6.8mm will eventually close the gap.

[@moicus29]

Infantry and cavalry boards wanted .276 Pedersen. Dimensionally almost identical to .277 Fury. 100 years ago. (Fury and 6.8x51 are obvi way hotter pressure)

[@iunnox666]

Close the gap? It's more powerful than 7.62 NATO.

[@DadHominem]

@@iunnox666 No, it isn't but it certainly outperforms the 5.56

[@iunnox666]

@@DadHominem The new round? It's the same size case necked down to 6.8 and loaded much hotter. 2600 joules from a 22 inch barrel vs 2700 from a 16 inch. It's more powerful. You may be confusing it with the 6.8x43 SPC.

[@user-gn7zy5rc4l]

Thanks for sharing this with us! You sir have brought the war stories full circle!! Love your content, and rants!!! Keep it coming!! 🤝🙌✌️👍👍👊😎🫡🎯

[@johnsawyer3390]

Love your stuff man. Been dying for the comments to come back so I could say that to you. Hope you’re doing good man.

[@thomasarnold5838]

Thanks for the info captain. Im glad to hear it from a man who knows what i need to know about my gun and stuff. Much appreciated just like your service to our great country. So saaaalute!! from danged ol' south Tennessee, hear?

[@highlandrogue4538]

Love your content! Thanks. Keep it coming.

[@effeojnedib7208]

Or, a person could go the .300 B.O. route and when ammo runs out, just change the barrel or upper to5.56. What I read, hear and have seen with the .300 BO is it hits hard. But it also handles bullet weights from 110 grains to 220 grains. Also has loading data using H-110, a common .44 and .357 mag powder.

[@Zook-Mcsqueezin]

I appreciate you sharing this information with us, first hand experience seems like the best knowledge to me

[@KylerLikesGuns]

That original video Is what made me start following you. Great topic

[@jai3064]

That video that got deleted you put up was my wake up call. After I heard you say how useless 556 was in the battle field. I never would trust it in the hood lol. I'm all 7.62.. Thanks homie!

[@MrLiquidhobo]

kek exactly the audience I'd think would eat this shit up

[@BassJunkie200]

@@MrLiquidhobo Exactly, below 70 IQ individuals.

[@DocHudson420]

Seemed pretty efficient when everyone else was using it…

[@RabidWolverine47]

I'm just going to load my self defense kit with 556 softpoints because I'm not spending a 1000$ for a new rifle.

[@stephenzavatski8016]

It was less effective because they were using semi-armor piercing ammo on soft targets. With expanding ammo it's fine, or even fmj.

[@AdamWeber-pi1gs]

What cracks me up is all the guys touting how good the 5.56mm round is, never seem to to get around to how well it puts guys in the dirt like you are talking about. Old broke down 11B here, big fan of .30 cal.

[@alpine7313]

That’s because anyone who knows their shit knows it’s motars, machineguns and arty that put guys in the dirt. The cartridge in your infantry rifle only matters for its ability to keep your enemy’s head down.

[@anabasis3144]

I was a civilian contractor living and running logs exclusively outside the wire for 3.5 years in Afghanistan and 1.5 years in Libya. I experienced multiple gunfights with wounded personnel hit immediately in front of me; all of them were horrible wounds from Kalashnikovs and TO A MAN they all hit the deck from a single shot. Mostly cheap Chinese ball ammo or whatever Pakistani counterfeit crap they could get their hands on. I agree with this video 100%.

[@greygunner]

Appreciate your time and service. I only have 9 & 556 but hell if I am not going to listen to a guy that's been there and done that.

[@christopherrobin361]

He's one that certainly cemented my interest even though I have been picking up 7.62x39 and 308 (before seeing his videos).

[@LRRPFco52]

What do guys use who have multiple combat deployments and can choose whatever they want? Putting people down fast takes multiple rounds or CNS hits, regardless of caliber. This is why there's been a concerted effort to move away from 7.62 NATO, not towards it.

[@warblerblue]

everyone has an opinion. Soft points and polymer tipped rounds in 55 grain get you the most velocity and expansion potential. Im sure someone will come along as say their brand X caliber/bullet is better but thats what I think.

[@Joe-hz1nw]

@@LRRPFco52 6.8x51 was adopted, its being manufactured, Sig is making the rifles. One would think it wouldn’t end up getting fully adopted, but it is. Also, pulling out M14s in Afghanistan, SR-25 platforms being in pretty widespread use.

[@LRRPFco52]

@@Joe-hz1nw Have you looked at the most recent MTO&E in Ranger Regiment and SF? Notice no XM7s. Same with 82nd. Why? Because nobody wants a 14lb large cartridge carbine with 20rd mags that cut your combat load in half. XM7 will be rejected by units that are still run by NCOs. Imagine drawing XM7s out as CO, 1SG, XO, Commo, PLs, PSGs, FOs, Combat Engineers, Combat Medics, Grenadiers, RTOs, AGs, ABs, and Mortars. USAF JTACs are going to show up with Mk.18s or 11" URGIs and everyone I listed above is going to ask why they don't have that too. There are only one or two roles where the 6.8x51 makes sense: DM/Semi Auto Sniper Systems and Machineguns. The XM250 makes sense except for ammo capacity. I would have done an intermediate cartridge, not a x51 case with .473" head.

[@Swamp_Donkey_]

Neat video. In your experience what was the ratio of people that did go down vs didnt? Like are we talking 5.56 could only stop people on the spot 50% of the time? Just trying to get a gauge of your experience specifically.

[@scottlawson9206]

Man, you are absolutely correct. Eugene Stoner's original design of a very light bullet barely stabilized by a slow rate of twist was massively devastating to the intended recipient of said bullet through wildly tumbling of the bullet. It was a huge success. But then the Army heads decided they wanted heavier bullets overstabilized to better penetrate body armor and such- but in doing so, they seriously reduced the lethality of the bullet by making neat little pencil holes with very little damage. The 7.62 x39 is a far better round partly because of the increased diameter.

[@thinkharder9332]

wanted heavier bullets overstabilized to better penetrate body armor -No place was issuing rifle rated armor, not even the US did in the 80's at the time the A2 was adopted. 855 was adopted as it performs consistently against most light cover.

[@dryciderz]

That initial video was how you hit my feed 👍⚡️

[@andrewadams5905]

How do you feel about 300 blackout? 762x35 now that x39 is almost same price? Just curious ive never heard you talk about it

[@christaylor5189]

This comment here! Yeah 300 blackout isn’t a bad option seeing how the price for 7.62x39 is close to the same. The pros n cons list has shifted! Biggest downside is cycling issues out of 7.62x39 and what are the best mags to use (duramags), you really don’t have that issue with 300blk. They perform close to the same unsuppressed , and then suppressed you know 300blk wins. I’ve tried 7.62x39 220gr subs and they won’t cycle even with an adjustable gas block and changed buffer weight. On a good note I’ve made my 7.62x39 AR pistol 7.5 inch way more reliable now so I’m happy about that. Suppressed 150gr sounds close to 300blk 200gr subs suppressed and that’s as good as it gets. I had to modify my AR-pistol to get it optimized. Buffer weight 4.9oz, 7.62x39 BCG with enhanced firing pin and a 6.5 Grendel bolt which works better because of its extractor, Superlative Arms adjustable gas block with the bleed off at 44 clicks. This was the best I could get it. Ejection pattern is at 2:30-2 o’clock suppressed and 3:30-4 o’clock unsuppressed! Best bullet weight suppressed is 150gr or 147gr. Best unsuppressed bullet weights are 110, 125gr hand loads or 123,124gr factory. Or you can just get 300blk and call it a day! 😂

[@heatheruntz5315]

I was deployed to iraq Baghdad and Ramadi 06 07 and I have seen people not go down immediately. I don't own anything in x39 but I own 2 in 762x51 (308) an 11.8in galil and 16in galil and they would be what id prefer using if I could carry more ammo. My AR with an acog is my go to because ove ammo availability and I can carry a shit ton but I agree with everything that you said. I just don't think now is the time for me to get into 762x39 sadly.

[@RabidWolverine47]

I find 9mm guys to be as equally stubborn. They actually think 9mm is better or equal to 40 S&W and 45 auto. They cannot be convinced that their wimpy little cartridge still sucks even with the plus p pressures and updated bullet design. I've seen guys load their SHTF kit with 556 deer hunting softpoints because they don't trust m193 to get it done.

[@nicholasg3250]

I wouldn’t call 9mm a wimpy cartridge when .32 and .22 exist. Also the advantages of 9mm do outweigh the advantage of additional stopping power in many situations. You can have double the volume of fire in most cases with 9mm. If you have multiple attackers this is preferable. Not to mention 9mm handguns are more concealable. Shot placement is also easier with 9mm. Also when using a pistol perhaps you don’t want over penetration, like if you live in a house/apartment with other people, in that case .357 .44 mag etc are a no go. I say this as someone who prefers 7.62x39 to 5.56. “The .22 in your pocket is better than the .45 left in the truck.”

[@RabidWolverine47]

​@nicholasg3250 I can agree with some of your points. However, most 9mm guys are going to smaller pocket guns negating the capacity & multiple attacker scenarios. The solution has been a slightly bigger compact, like the glock 43X or the M&P shield plus. Even then, you're not much more than a full sized 45 at 10 rounds. These little 9mm bullets chambered in pocket guns are somehow superior to a 45 auto in a full frame.

[@sigspearthumb1056]

Well what about this. Why compare a 9mm pocket pistol to a full size 45. Obviously a full size 45 is nicer. When when it comes down to small size conceal ability yea a 9mm would be better then what they have for the 40 or 45 when you look at everyone small people young people older people women kids new gun owners. All of them. And if we’re taking solely military and military ammunition yea the 45 is better because the bullet is bigger and a bigger bullet means a bigger hole. A9mm fmj will have a smaller wound tract then 40 and 45. And with modern day hollowpoints yea the 45 still opens up massively especially if you take hollowpoints and shoot them into water to get the biggest diameter possible. But those same bullet improvements also went for the other calibers they arnt as wide as the 45 but they are still massive in there own rights. But shot placement trumps caliber and bullet style. and more people can shoot a 9mm better then the others and when you give them a full size gun well they will still shot the 9mm better. Then they will also get a higher round capacity. There’s so much more to being effective then caliber size. What’s best for you may not be the best for someone else. And vice versa. And for someone to think that it’s their way or the highway is just ignorant. What’s a super powerful gun if you can hit what you’re aiming at? It’s crazy that people can be so divided and hateful to others over a caliber choice. (Not saying you are) just in general from reading the comments from said video and other caliber choices videos. It’s so much more complicated than calibers size.

[@TheTGRproductions]

Hey Lemon, I don't know if you made a video on this already or not. But what're you thoughts on the Military's more recent adoption of 6.8 x 51mm? Do you think it's a good/better replacement of 5.56. Or do you think there's better options out there? Personally, I'm interested in the .264 Licc (6.5 x 43mm) that FN recently created. We don't have any clear numbers on it at the moment with 16 inch barrels or longer. But we do know that in can launch a 108 grain projectile at a muzzle velocity of 2650 feet per second from an 11.5 inch test barrel. And it's loaded to a higher pressure of 62K PSI, versus the traditional 55-56K PSI with other smaller intermediate cartridges. It sounds like a spicy 6.5 Grendal, which I also think is a great option. Even the Serbians adopted 6.5 Grendal for their M19 Kalashinokov platofrm (Although they modified it to 6.5 x 38.7mm for better ballistics and feeding better on a semi and full-auto).

[@justanothergunnerd8128]

M26_L_G for president 2024! 🙂

[@jameskarl8908]

I’m not an expert in either caliber. But if I remember correctly, the military is restricted on the types of rounds that they can use. I wonder if using HP’s or HPBT’s would be more effective?? Whether it’s 55g or 77g or more is still not much weight. And if it keeps its shape and doesn’t expand it won’t do much damage. Again, I’m not a member of the military, never been in a gun fight. This is just a question. I understand the age old argument that there’s no substitute for mass in the 7.62 round, but I’m just wondering if using HP’s or something that expands would help… But if you’re worried about stopping power just shoot the hip line… they’ll go down.

[@wilekrowan3610]

The guy at the start of the video was using 77gr HPBT. HPBT isn't necessarily designed to expand like hunting or defesnive handgun ammo, the open tip there is an artifact of manufacturing bullets with more precision. I would be curious about bonded soft-point, the FBI uses it.

[@cris0453]

The video that started it all

[@user-mj1vb8jr6j]

Good video man. I like 556 more, mostly due to the platform of the AR, I also like it for home defense because 77OTM has a lot less wall penetration than a 9mm, and the recoil is less. However I still got stockpiles of both. There is an argument to be made for some of the Barnes TSX bullets as well if someone is running an SBR, but at the end of the day run what you run and get competent with it. From there you will be fine regardless

[@williamdawkins4062]

I appreciate your honesty keep it coming!

[@ToyotaCoronaAbsoluteT]

Coming from a "nerdy" perspective here, i think the main reason why 5.56 and even 5.45 was created is for easier and better logistics in the military, and not necessarily because of "lethality", but still bigger bullets will always cause more damage in the process after all.

[@T7_H3rbz]

Mass × Velocity= energy. A bigger bullet at the same velocity will always cause me damage. When talking about bullets with a different weight, size and velocity it definitely is tough to nail down lethality; shot placement being the biggest decider of lethality. Excellent comment and I think this was a great point to make

[@Wolf_Avery]

You ever notice how rare it is to see 5.56 vehicle mounted setups? They always seem to be 7.62 and bigger.

[@10mmenjoyer]

Based on different books I read of people in Vietnam, the 5.56 did hit hard when it managed to land a hit. Another issue was accuracy and using the round in dense forests. Early on some Russian airborne had issues with 5.45 deflecting in Afghanistan as well

[@gordo3697]

​@@Wolf_Averywe used the saw all the time especially after they took away the mark 19 in iraq as many guns as possible

[@markmcintosh7095]

@10mmenjoyer We had 55 grain bullets out of 20 inche barrels. It went about 3200 fps and seemed to take out the bad guys pretty good.

[@aniellovanacore6946]

There is just no substitute for real world experience, ballistic tests are fine, but the real thing is the real thing and if I have to trust someone on this matter it's a guy like you who's been there and done that

[@jonathanh761]

The problem is that you'll find others who have been there done that and swear by 5.56. Every person is susceptible to their perception and lived experiences. That's when data becomes valuable.

[@joshuagunderson6593]

5.56 fans: Bro you just need 128x287366272 twist out of a 20iq firing 5262772 grain bro trust me bro 7.62X39 fans: uh just get surplus

[@off6848]

That’s also .300bo fans they’re the worst when it comes to “proving better ballistics” they go to the shelf of 50 different .300bo loads and sift through them to prove you wrong Meanwhile AK guy only has milsurp and they’re soy raging trying find something better

[@roastbeef4918]

5.56 fans: I love my 300 blackout at $2 a round Also 5.56 fans: 7.62x39 is an inferior round.

[@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595]

@@roastbeef4918I reload 300BLK at the same price as M193

[@austindecker7643]

Too bad all the surplus is gone

[@roastbeef4918]

@@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595 so it's just AK with extra steps and new powder?

[@sandozman6085]

On paris island in 96 the recruits were taught about barrel twist, and bullet weight…. Was it some forgotten lore???🤔

[@jackal2484]

There's multiple video's of guys taking multiple 7.62x39 rounds to the chest and There's multiple video's of both 5.56 and 7.62x39 one tapping people. The biggest problem with rants like this is that one guy says one thing and then another guy says something else with no evidence to back it up. This is why war footage has been a god send for discussion as it shows what's actually going on.

[@badart3204]

Yeah, I think it just needs to be recognized that placement matters and some dudes are simply built different requiring more damage to incapacitate.

[@campbell0162]

You cant even defend 5.56 at this point. Even after watching many war footage videos, the x39 just puts them down compared to 5.56, which is why the U.S is switching to the new 6.8 cartridge.

[@jackal2484]

@@campbell0162 I've seen officers and soldiers one tap suspects and terrorist with 5.56 carbines. stop with this fudd nonsense. Also 6.8 is for some requirement to pierce modern level 4 plates, but we haven't seen it do anything like that yet.

[@campbell0162]

@jackal2484 the 6.8 was not only developed to pierce level 4 armour but also to increase the terminal effectiveness on soft tissue with a larger caliber round, which both the 5.56x45 Nato and 5.45x39mm Russian lack as seen on many modern battlefields globally. There's a reason the Russian army have started to bring back and re adpot the 7.62x39mm later on due to the lack of effectiveness from the 5.45mm cartridge (which is unarguably identical in ballistics to the 5.56 Nato round).

[@jackal2484]

@@campbell0162 Nobody is going back to 7.62x39 and the only countries using it are places that have tons of surplus of it and places like Ukraine prefer 5.56 carbines whenever they can get their hand on them. 6.8x51 main purpose is to defeat modern level 4 plates and to outreach most other fighting rifles and machine guns which is an old army wet dream. Also 5.56 is superior to 5.45 as 5.45 doesn't fragment nor have the selection of ammo types.

[@TheCyndicate]

My dad, in Vietnam refused 5.56 and carried an M14. He is the only one in his squad that surviived an engagement. I have a photo of him coming backk alone on their boat. He taught me to avoid 5.56 AMAP.

[@jonathanh761]

I don't mean to demean your dad's service in any way but the fact he had an M14 certainly has almost nothing to do with him being a sole survivor of the engagement. It's not like you square off 1 v 1 and trade shots and because he had a bigger rifle he won and lived. 100s to 1000s of rounds were likely filling the air in both directions, not to mention any grenades or mortars used. Point is, call it luck or providence, it wasn't because he had an M14 in his hands that all the enemy bullets missed him.

[@davekurz6036]

Keep up the good werk. Love me some 7.62x39's eyem 60 years old and everyone said im crazy for rolling mhi own. But the M70AB2 has custom made .310 freedom seeds!! And the 7.62x39 AR platform gobbles them up. 1 1/2 moa out ov an old underfolder!! Plus will do the job. When it craps out got 2 in AR flavor!! Keep the videos coming

[@manbob15]

Would you say the original 14 twist 55grain 20” would be the best for 556?

[@originalamerican9396]

Two main problems with 5.56 is a short barrel and the green tip steel core ammo. 5.56 needs speed and fragmentation. Short barrels bleed speed and the steel core ammo we had doesn't like to fragment. Use a 16 inch barrel or longer and use any ammo other than the green tips and it works great.

[@SAR0311]

He addresses that in the video

[@walkercustoms]

I had the privilege of seeing that interview of Whiteboy with Travis. Whiteboy is a former seal and since he retired from the navy he's been nothing but a firearms shooting/training instructor. He went on to talk about 308 in depth.

[@stephenzavatski8016]

Travis who now? I think I've seen snippets but can't find it.

[@CCXRS7]

Saw the same thing in Afghanistan. Prefer the 7.62x39 as well. Even today, when I go hog hunting, there is a big difference between the terminal effect on hogs of 7.62x39 vs 5.56. I do not understand the commitment to group think on this topic.

[@m26_lemon_grenade55]

The high profile Influencers on the magic rectangle tells them 5.56 is better..... That's where the commitment comes from. It's hilarious to me.

[@oliverheaviside2539]

@@m26_lemon_grenade55 “The magic rectangle” covers it pretty well. I call it “the lobotomy box.”

[@johnkrstyen7351]

As a "normie" guy that just enjoys shooting and the range with training. The 556 seems more practical with the cost of the rounds and availability with weapon availability. Do understand that there are better rounds but with higher cost and less availability. So the option is to work with what you got and know/understand its capabilities and pitfalls.

[@drewmorg.]

I love this video. You take each counter point head on!

[@swiftbear]

Totally agree with you, it gets old and tiring hearing all the "experts" proclaim stopping power is a myth when you apply it to a human threat. (whether handgun or rifle) But for some reason it is not a myth and gospel fact when you talk about hunting, bear defense or African or large dangerous game. It's like all of a sudden those same "experts" can only speak about caliber and stopping power. I would like to remind them that its a myth and they should feel confident carrying their 9mm for bear defense because 17+ 1 and 2 extra magazines derp dur hur.

[@flintironstag9983]

A bear is not a human. And neither is a water buffalo. This isn’t hard.

[@swiftbear]

@@flintironstag9983 "a bear is not a human" So with your logic a bear takes stopping power and a human doesn't? Did you even watch this video?

[@flintironstag9983]

@@swiftbear a bear is larger and needs more penetration. By that logic we’d be using express rifles as infantry weapons

[@swiftbear]

@@flintironstag9983 You are a great example of the type of person I made this post about, "Stopping power is a myth once applied to human" Thank you for fulfilling this prophecy and showing us.

[@flintironstag9983]

@@swiftbeardifferent cartridges have different purpose

[@MrDragonkarp]

30cal is King let them keep coping 😂😂

[@brianr8581]

It's strange that same video popped up in my feed around the same time. Great video brother!

[@rickypickles2219]

i subscribed as well. i like you dude. honest and humble. i still love 556 though. but my backup is a 308. i hope i never need to test these theories

[@troar237]

Thoughts on 55gr 20 inch 1:12?

[@couchwarrior2449]

M193? Definitely.

[@user-gn7zy5rc4l]

Light weight gets the job done. This is what I worked with in the USAF in the 1980's!

[@KwyattCreations]

I’ve tried a several boxes of the Horny Blacks, think they’re a bit overpriced for AK ammo. I’ve had better accuracy with cheaper ammo. May be better out of a bolt gun, but idk I don’t have any experience with 7.62x39 bolt guns.

[@mattyallen3396]

Great deer ammo

[@nanothatfox7733]

On the topic of 7.62x39 do you think there's much of a difference between m43 m67 and standard fmj in terms of overall effectiveness

[@KryoTronic]

Appreciate your input, whether I agree or not

[@trench_raider8247]

The only reason why I have an 5.56 AR, is because I'd rather have an AR PDW (truck gun) over a 9mm due to the the velocity. Though outside the truck as a duty my zastava m70 is my go to

[@OG_Okie_98_sooners]

Animals and druggees dont play around lol

[@MilitantPrepping]

I know, people hate them because thug life, but I keep a micro Draco in the truck, to me it makes sense. It’s short, easy to maneuver and manipulate in the vehicle, it’s plenty accurate enough, great barrier penetration in case I need to defeat vehicle glass or doors or whatever. I upgraded the handguard, threw on a red dot, flashlight, sling, and pistol brace, and it’s good to go, zero problems making a quick string of hits at the kind of distances I’d wanna use it. Good solid Romanian build that I’ve never had any issues with. Edit: I’m with you on the M70, I know M26 isn’t a big fan but around the homestead that’s my go-to

[@stevencooper399]

As much as like the M16 platform , I've always thought that 5.56 is a little to small of a caliber .

[@T7_H3rbz]

I think there's something to the 6 mm Max when it comes to optimizing the m16 platform. Out of all the alternative cartridges it uses the same bolt face as the 556. Meaning you don't have to remove any material to expand the bold face, meaning you can have the original size locking lugs. It uses 350 legend brass which is similar to a straight wall 223 case. A 6 mm definitely get you a decent bit more weight and and then open tip match you get the expansion as well. Unfortunately trying to optimize means prices go up when deviating from the most basic 556

[@stevencooper399]

@@T7_H3rbz If the military adopts something better ( ostensibly that's what they're supposed to be doing right now last I checked ) , that'll help with the price ( eventually anyways ) .

[@T7_H3rbz]

@@stevencooper399 I had hope for 6.5 when one of the Euros adopted a DMR in it. Although I think 6.8/.277 fury is way to far in the direction of full power rifle. Although in the m240 and other machine guns it will be a good pairing. Unfortunately I don't think it's worth the cost of admission to change over the from 556, just due to all the institutionalized inertia you would have to overcome. The enemy of perfection is good enough

[@stevencooper399]

It's been done before , but your probably right .

[@taylorbowling640]

Were you using green tip 5.56?? Or were you using mk 262 mod 1 77 grain??? And 7.62 is awesome i see what your saying what is your opinion of 300 Blackout. And you get one shot drops when you hit the nervous system i think thats what stopping power is just my opinion and i dont know what im talking about so i could be wrong.

[@priyom-um04]

Hey! I know that you are an AK guy so I thought of asking you about what should I eventually buy for sport shooting. Im from Bulgaria so Arsenal seems to be the cheapest option from what I see on the market but what Im really torn about is whether I should go with a platform based on the 5.56mm round or the 7.62mm round. The specific weapons Im talking about is the 18" Ruger 556 and the arsenal SAR-M12F. Now I did say sport shooting earlier but I'd honestly prefer something that can be reliable outside the shooting range as well so I really wanna hear your opinion about it! Keep up the great videos btw! Found out about your channel recently and I really enjoy your content that seems much more straightforward and genuine which isnt that widely seen on the Tube nowadays :D

[@wyateerp1]

Yep. Built both a 7.62x39 and 5.56x45 in AR flavor. Both have enhanced firing pins . Best of both worlds. Just keep spare parts available, Extractor and stuff.They run well

[@JohnDoe-bg9py]

wow you're lucky arsenal is your cheapest option, definitely get the m12f in 762x39. that is, if thats the most common round in your country. if 556 is the most common round get it in 556.

[@leshandy863]

The truth about Travis is he's an AK guy not a AR guy. Watch the interview he did with Jim Fuller.

[@coryrohrbaugh1208]

I wonder if experiences like the one he described in the video is the reason why

[@123sleepygamer]

As an AK guy, this video makes me happy as fuck. I've always said I dislike how perfect your rifle has to be for 5.56 to be as reliable and consistently deadly and even then, nothing will give it the stopping power of 7.62x39. Thank you for your service.

[@DocHudson420]

You can buy a 500$ rifle and shoot 6000 rounds of 5.56 before you have to change the barrel and bcg… your rifle doesn’t hav to be good. You can spend 1000$ on a rifle and get 15000 rounds if you wanted

[@ShepherdOfTheSilkies]

My $900(with optic) cheapo M4 cloan is 1 MOA gun, my AK could never.

[@litsci4690]

@@ShepherdOfTheSilkies You're a 12+ MOA target.

[@ShepherdOfTheSilkies]

@@litsci4690 not at 600 yards, you also shouldn’t count legs.

[@bloodking73]

​@@ShepherdOfTheSilkies600 yards basically doesn't happen, 300 is pretty much max range outside of Afghanistan

[@tico4940]

Respect your videos,good content always.

[@2wingssamebird]

There is a 161 footpounds (about twice the energy of a professional baseball pitch) difference of energy with 55gr from a 20in to a 16in and 76 footpounds (about the energy of 55 400fps airsoft guns firing at once) difference with 77gr. Soft tip rounds seem to do pretty decent tissue damage, definitely better than m855. 30 cal got them foot pounds though

[@spacetruckin6555]

I preferred the plasma arc rifle in 40 watt range.

[@RabidWolverine47]

Hey just what you see pal!

[@2006Mercury]

Sks dawgz. Free risky

[@ShaneBraaten]

Chrisky Come Home 🪖

[@LibertyFromLead]

WTF ? Chrisky got locked up ? Been wondering where his videos are lately. I don't know how I missed hearing about this.

[@CR-wy5oi]

@@LibertyFromLeadhe’s not to the best of my knowledge. He just got banned off of KZbin and said he isn’t coming back to KZbin ever

[@maci51]

​@@CR-wy5oihe bak I think

[@mattipps]

Were you issued an m4 or an m16a4? 5.56 is very dependent on velocity. Many problem cames from the shorter platforms.

[@bloodking73]

He had an m16

[@mattipps]

@@bloodking73 I posted and then he said it. I was like well, shit.

[@zoltancsikos5604]

​@@mattippsCriticisms have been laid for decades with 20 inch barrels as well. Not as bad as with the 14.5 inch barrels, but still...

[@groomersgotohell]

thoughts on fmj vs any type of expanding bullet. would that fix the stopping power issue?

[@jamesfynnhere6983]

It’s the entire point being missed by this video, just because the military can’t use it, he’s going to act like the bullet technology stopped improving.

[@TWIH718]

Your point is very well taken but you can carry way more 556 than 762. I believe it’s been proven that the side that has more bullets tend to win more gun fights.

[@nohandle74]

No. U can carry the same it'll just be heavier

[@theunknownatheist3815]

For an army that makes sense, but for home defense? Go with the bigger one!

[@TWIH718]

@@theunknownatheist3815 All of his examples were during his service, Haley shooting guys was during his service, let’s stay within that context.

[@TWIH718]

@@nohandle74 Not if you have a specific mission packing list. Your kit can only carry so much volume. All of his examples or references were military service related not home defense.

[@wyateerp1]

@@nohandle74 😂😂😂😂

[@JohnDoe-kt9em]

Question for you: when you were shot with 7.62*39, what level plates did you have and can you try to describe how it felt? Thank you bro

[@user-xx2es4ip2k]

What are your thoughts on 300 Blackout?

[@10mmenjoyer]

Thoughts on 300 blackout? Many people around here using it out of 16 inch barrel

[@OG_Okie_98_sooners]

Great for cqb, can be reloaded with 556 brass, at long range it doesnt go very far with its propulsion to bullet weight ratio. Kind of expensive. Caliber doesnt dissapoint. Upper assembly can be put on a regular ar platform, dont have to switch caliber magazines. Only thing i dont like about it is the practicality. Compared to 7.62x39 wich has been around longer, does the same thing as 300. Bo, with weight differences, you can get an ar upper in it, it has longer range, and theres unknown quantities of stockpiles in it. So when u run out of 300. Bo do you u think the average person is gonna have it? I dont think so. When u cant order it online or go to the store for it.

[@10mmenjoyer]

@@OG_Okie_98_sooners true but that is why we prepare in advance and the versatility allows you to switch to 5.56 easily. Also go pokes

[@fmjackalope4014]

AR guys will argue all day about 55gr 62gr 77gr, barrel length, gas system, twist rate, ballistics gel blah blah blah Microsoft Excel spreadsheet What kind of 7.62 is gunna work best? x39 I've never been there, never done that. I don't even hunt large game. But in a military context where you're forced to use ball ammo it just makes sense to me that a 123gr bullet would be better than a 55gr bullet when it comes to smashing stuff. It's more than twice the bullet per bullet! More bullet more better. That being said I'd like to know your opinion on expanding 5.56 available on the civilian market and the difference it could make in terms of stomping power.

[@The_Fubar]

Not if greater recoil decreases your hit probability aswell as ammo carrying capacity. Sole reason to use 5,56/5,45 is to have more chances to hit something. Easier on average to land hits with 5,56/5,45mm and easier to carry more ammo.

[@OG_Okie_98_sooners]

Depending on platform, both calibers have the same recoil. Id use 556 to reach out there and 7.62 for" oh shit" situations .

[@joquin4618]

Agreed, but dang does that 7.62x51 NATO gets heavy AF!! I took a cabine course in which I used my AR10 and that 7.62 will weigh you down but dang does it hit the steel targets with authority!! Weight vs capacity vs capability vs effectiveness is always a constant battle

[@LRRPFco52]

Grendel is goldilocks in that regard.

[@alexsitaras6508]

Pretty sure the FAL was originally designed around a ~.280 caliber bullet way back when. If I recall correctly it would land on the heavier end of what could be called intermediate.

[@LRRPFco52]

@@alexsitaras6508 The prototypes to the FAL started with 7.92x33, then .280 Enfield, then 7.62x51 NATO if I recall. They went from a mediocre intermediate cartridge to a high performance intermediate to a battle rifle, regressing in history and the lessons of WWII by conforming to the US standardization of 7.62x51.

[@joquin4618]

@@LRRPFco52 the problem with grendel ammo is the availability and it takes a different magazine and bolt head. But it does make sense from a weight to performance perspective

[@LRRPFco52]

@@joquin4618 124 different factory loaded options now, very easy to get. I've been shooting it since 2009 in pretty high volume through at least 9 different ARs over the years. 10.5" Grendel has great performance compared to legacy cartridges from 20" barrels, and it does that with less chamber pressure too. Very fun round to shoot. Recoil is closer to 5.56, while energy on target is about 80% of a .308 Win.

[@kevindutton3676]

This battle experienced common sense opinion is what I value. Thank you sir. I have 5.56, 6.5 Grendel, and 7.62 ARs because each has a use. Subscribed!

[@chapxe]

This has become my favourite channel.

[@mcmelonmaster]

I didn't kill a bear in my driveway with a .556

[@permanenceaesthetic6545]

Now that’s a story I’d like to hear.

[@mcmelonmaster]

@@permanenceaesthetic6545 just a boy with an SKS and a dream.

[@cgsimons1187]

Black bear or grizzly bear?

[@warblerblue]

Support the right to arm bears. ;)

[@mcmelonmaster]

@@cgsimons1187 juvenile black bear

[@redfirekla]

Even in cartel wars i was recently reading the cartel members are all switching to the 7.62 Aks due to the effectiveness of the round instantly embolizing opposing cartel member factions. The 5.45 is more affective than 5.56 but it's difficult to get the good stuff the 7n6

[@____MC____]

I was hoping youd bring the big salami analogy back

[@joeyoung4309]

Whats your take on m193 out of a 20" barrel?

[@macnitt4039]

I think that is the way stoner designed. I like my a1. Don't see any real improvements with the being. And barrel fucking with. Is what it is

[@moicus29]

Infantry and cavalry boards wanted .276 Pedersen. Dimensionally almost identical to .277 Fury. 100 years ago. (Fury and 6.8x51 are obvi way hotter pressure)

[@gordo3697]

The truth is plenty have died and lived by both these calibers in my experience luck is a big factor

[@YugoM92]

It's a bullet coming out of a Rifle at super sonic speed. Doesn't really matter what caliber it is it will do nasty shit to the body...

[@davidschlageter5962]

Well here we are again. :) Back in my ROTC days, talking to the major from Vietnam, when we asked about 556 being a small round, he explained that wounding someone ties up several people and it's not always the most lethal effect that is desired. So, there's that for what it's worth. Then there's the insane number of estimated rounds expended for even a single casualty; the volume seems to be more significant than the individual round itself at that point. Major Robnick said in the small encounter engagements he was in, it was about getting the 7.62 firing M60 up to the front and into action that was determinative. I have seen the videos Mac did of 55 grains out of a 20-inch barrel and it was pretty impressive, so the potential of 556 is demonstrable. There probably is a case where one would be better than the other in a situation and vice versa. At +300 yards either one isn't at its best. Still, getting hit 7 times makes you wonder if the guy was on something. Hard to listen to that either way. But in the case of getting hit in a CQB situation at close range it seems entirely reasonable that 7.62 would be more devastating than a small fast 855 penetrator. I look forward to your content and I guess enjoy being your tactical Timmie . :) Glad that you made it through all that to create awesome experience driven content.

[@itsamk18-ish]

I really wish i would have gotten into AKs while the guns and ammo was still cheap. I built a rifle in 300blk because it’s similar to x39 ballistically and uses almost all the same parts as my 5.56 rifles other than the barrel. I also have a x51 gas gun that I’m trying to stack ammo for,i agree with you though it’s a bit heavy. I decided a 30 cal round was better one day while shooting milk jugs. The 5.56 was splitting them open fine but the x51 was shredding them,it’s 2-4x the weight projectile going pretty damn fast depending on the load,it definitely does better. I guess if you factor in recoil then the 5.56 is a more pleasant round to shoot. 🤷‍♂️

[@forthehellofit5544]

Totally agree, people tend to ignore the fact that the 556 rounds was based off of the Remington 222 which was designed for Varmit.! Sure you can optimize it with 77 grain MK 262. But they’re only like $2 a round….. 🤔

[@ShepherdOfTheSilkies]

They aren’t $2, they comparable to 7.62x39 in the same utility case actually. The TMK updated MK262 that isn’t adopted yet is $1.37 and is probably the most accurate and hardest hitting 5.56 on the market. The MK262 in bulk is $1.43. The only comparable retail version in 7.62x39 is the double tap 125gr tipped and are also $1.37 in bulk and not match grade like the black hills but still a consistent factory loading.

[@forthehellofit5544]

@@ShepherdOfTheSilkies the point is your paying more for less in 556.. oh?? So you can buy a case of Mil surplus 7.62x39 I believe it’s Yugo. Over a 1000 rounds for around 60 cents a round. 60 cents a round compared to 1.39? In fact PSA just released their Sabre black tip “hunting load” steel case for 52 cents a round. Dude the price is NOT comparable. Mabe it will be soon. But not yet

[@ShepherdOfTheSilkies]

@@forthehellofit5544 you can buy a 1000 round case of PMC xtac 5.56 for $380 rn. You pay less for 5.56 bulk rn and you pay the same for kinda comparable peak bullet design of both cartridges. You can’t compare ineffective target shooting rounds to peak effectiveness rounds, and you can’t get the same level of effectiveness out of 7.62x39

[@handsmcneil]

With as much hate as Haley gets from cool edgy ig accounts and as good of friends as he is with Jim Fuller I cant help but think hes probably a pretty decent dude. Maybe I'm missing some big tim kennedy mike glover esque moments or something but he seems alright to me.

[@DocHudson420]

It’s just that his classes are full of big jargon words that don’t make sense.

[@19372]

Id like to see more handgun content.....like do you feel the same way about 9mm vs .357 magnum

[@mehmeh1999]

Stopping power is measurable. You just need to determine what fhe mass of what you're shooting is. The relation between that and the kinetic energy of the round that hits them is "stopping power". So it's not practical to do, but it is possible to measure.