I Proposed to my gf with a $10k ring, She asked me to propose again and "do better".

[@abdelarch8038]

Propose again and do better. To another woman. Maybe in the same place. Post about it on social media.

[@mxm1337]

That would wrong the other woman

[@cromwellcruz]

fuck that. in the same room too lmao

[@mintcarrier]

@@cromwellcruzhahahaha I’m loving this energy

[@ladyweasellou3367]

My husband prposed to me while i was sitting in the grass in my parent's back yard while i was holding a chicken in my lap in the rain.

[@liannadunten7326]

That is adorable.

[@kamenballer]

That's actually much better since it's sincere it's basically falling in love at first sight, in that moment you didn't care about the location, or what he or she is wearing or how much money you have in your wallet because all you need to know and feel is you are in love the moment he or she enters your sight. 😊

[@geepows5610]

I want a movie with your proposal in it. That's so lovely and wholesome.

[@DraxXThanos]

thats actually cute, he knew who he wanted and didnt put any thought into it.

[@notazip6814]

She said NO.... ok so we just suck it up / move forward

[@shanea3956]

you will never satisfy this woman

[@racebannon96]

Run Forrest Run!

[@alphaq3368]

As long as he is satisfied does it really matter?

[@michaelblaes9847]

Bro could have did it at the waterfall the next day. But he chose his spot that felt right and made his move, on his terms. He took her to Angkor Wat and she didn't think it was special with a 10k ring? A prenup is a great idea. An even better one is to move on.

[@rithvikmuthyalapati9754]

And that too he did in a private place without anyone around. It was too perfect, but I guess some people are so entitled that everything has to be their way and they expect everyone to know what they want.

[@jameslyons6655]

GTFO. He flies her to damn Cambodia, gives her a 10k ring and she’s says “Do better”. He should do better by finding a woman who is appreciative, not entitled, mannered, kind and more interested in who’s asking than where. Unreal. Lesson learned and bullet dodged OP, you need to jet.

[@Joe-lb8qn]

Unfortunately he didnt dodge the bullet but handed the gun to her !

[@jameslyons6655]

@@Joe-lb8qn you’re correct

[@raven4442]

​@@jameslyons6655 No. He flied her to cambodia, surrounded by mountains and forests, an incredible scenery... and he proposed in a hotel room.

[@kaushtirou]

After a whole day of adventure, spending time together and when they went back together annd...​@@raven4442

[@supern0is349]

@@raven4442 yeah- so what? lol its was a great experience overaal and a great hotel.

[@GeorgeGiann]

Some of the comments in the video trying to support the girlfriend is what’s wrong with today’s entitled mentality.

[@winchestersons6258]

No defense there. She is a witch

[@raven4442]

They were in a beautiful country, mountains and forests everywhere... and he asked her in the hotel room.

[@whoeverfromwherever]

​@@raven4442 Thank you. Before hearing the details I was on his side but sceptical. After the details on where they were travelling and what they were doing 🗿. Could have proposed at the waterfall. They were both idiots

[@kayreal1273]

@@raven4442 Why does it matter where he proposed? Marriage is not about the ring, the wedding or the location of proposal. It's about a lifelong commitment to someone you cherish and can't live without. This mentality that you and the other commenter have is the reason the divorce rate is so high. Such selfishness is a red flag and i hope neither of you get married.

[@davidrosensin7985]

@@kayreal1273 You can really see who wants a loving, committed relationship and who just wants a wedding.

[@ace1gl]

Epic red flag. Move on dude. She is not worth it. Sounds like she just fumbled an epic guy. How much you want to bet she is on Tik Tok in 10 years crying about not being able to find a good guy.

[@thelimey351]

What a fool this guy is, she showed her true colours - i.e. she doesn’t care enough about him, she’s more interested in showing off to her friends.

[@dancingkitty11]

Propose to someone else. You had it right the first time. It is about her not you and it always will be. When someone tells you who they are listen to them.

[@نيشا-د2م]

Not the a-hole, he was 1 billion percent right about how if she found 1 million dollars in a dumpster then she wouldn’t just throw it away despite when it came from. You guys literally traveled & are in a nice hotel, so she really does have a huge sense of entitlement. He deserves way better b/c tf.

[@SSFighter1701]

She told you “no” and explained all the reasons why without actually saying it. Go “do better” by finding someone that appreciates you for you and not the stuff/experiences/Ring Price.

[@LadyKurta]

Do better, yes. Get a better woman 😅 Wtf is wrong with some people? What about love? What about appreciate what your love one do for you? He payed for everything, took her to travel to a wonderful place, he bought an expensive ring (Wich she said she wanted ew), and she had the audacity to say that wasn't enough. She made him feel he did wrong and he was the problem and he wasn't enough. OP, I don't understand how he still decided to keep being in a relationship like that.

[@SnerMerNer]

100% this

[@matheuspimentel5828]

Also her proposal was on coming back from a trail while its some great hobbie for some, since he didnt described to me looks like just a common one, no sunset no special view so looks like she did just to not lose him

[@rons3634]

She said yes, went to take a shower, then she said no because he proposed in a hotel room. She must've had her phone with her and talked to someone. Maybe a friend or relative (her mother?). She was probably happy when she told that person that he asked her to marry him. And that person probably told her that his proposal wasn't good enough. Sometimes "dump her" is the correct advice.

[@kamenballer]

NEVER ASK TWICE! It's either a Yes or No. They always say that the thought that counts and not something else. OP said it's his most genuine moment so if he will redo it again then he'll be just acting on it.

[@farmerned6]

NTA never ask twice she can wait to Feb 29th

[@debelix]

That happens every 4 years, though! So, it's not impossible.

[@snidecommenter7117]

February 30th.

[@J-tron-ke2fn]

This guy... He would learn the most bitter experience of his life when she finally files for divorce cuz another guy gave her the butterflies he is unable to give

[@legiontepes3474]

Let me get this straight. Op bought a 10k ring. Paid the travel to exotic places she wanted to visit and she refused? Clearly she is not interested in op and is too immature to have a relationship. Should have broken up instantly.

[@darth3911]

Not quite as many women value fancy proposals. Do note the guy could have proposed to her at a temple or a waterfall before hand. Instead at the end of the day he proposed to her as if it’s an after thought. I see both prospectives as he gone all out with the ring but the location is literally worse then a grass field or even a New York street.

[@darkknight3037]

@@darth3911 how does that justify giving back the ring? stop trying to downplay his efforts

[@darth3911]

@@darkknight3037 I am simply pointing out the truth. I will note she was wrong to reject his proposal after she already accepted it. However regardless of the girls actions it doesn’t change the fact that the guy did a shit job at proposing. Hell his proposal could have been done good in the hotel only if he planed it as a day with nothing but the proposal in it. Thing is his proposal looks like a side thought as he did it at the end of the day after visiting multiple other and better places to propose at. I don’t mean to put the guy done but this is like Romance 101. If you were a girl and your man takes you to a vacation, he brings you to all kinds of cool places maybe like the eiffel tower. Then after all that towards the end of the day he takes you back to the hotel room you’re both staying at and says “Before you shower would merry me.” Would you be fine with that? You might be deeply in love and want to say yes but the way it’s done is just wrong. That’s my point.

[@vaevictis2789]

Or she had the obsession with the "right" proposal, many girls overinflate the importance of proposal/wedding day ceremonies so much they will have a literal meltdown because of slightest deviation from her ideal

[@RafitoOoO]

​@@vaevictis2789then they get dumped rightfully so.

[@BaeBunni]

a 10k ring has to be some serious hardware like I would imagine probably the most gorgeous thing she could see and said "Nope" that sounds like a good enough reason to leave. Just tell her friends "She didn't think proposing with a 10k ring was good enough so I'm not dealing with her anymore."

[@raven4442]

Or... the ring was irrelevant, and he asked her to marry him in a hotel room while they were dirty and sweaty, instead of in any number of amazing locations, like one of the forests, or at a mountain, or under a waterfall. Every person in these comments is completely missing the point; they were in a beautiful country with beautiful scenery, and he proposed in a hotel room.

[@jinyboi]

The location never matters

[@JammKhon]

A woman who loves you would not be saying no to that. She settled "below her means" and should be discarded due to how a settled relationship ends.

[@TwilightMysts]

True, it is not the most impressive or romantic place, but it was genuine. When she rejected it, she wasn't just rejecting the proposal, she was rejecting OP. AND she also was saying "I are less about our relationship than I do about the image of it." It is like the women who get married and have a $100,000 wedding, only to get divorced a year later, find a new guy, and get another six figure wedding. They don't want to be married, they want to have a crazy expensive wedding. OP's girl friend is much the same, she isn't interested in being married, she is interested in the expensive ring, the public proposal, probably would want an expensive wedding with lots of publicity and people invited...

[@thelimey351]

As soon as she rejects the proposal it must be over - no exceptions if you have a pair... Note : Yes, you are making a *HUGE* mistake - she _really_ is not that into you, she sees you purely as a utility...

[@snidecommenter7117]

Didn't like the location? Bullet dodged. Move on.

[@LordMondegrene]

She will reneg on every deal, every offer, to get more and nicer stuff to match her fantasy. Run. Nothing you do will be good enough. Run. You took her around the world, and she shitcanned you because her fantasy is more important than the real live person in front of her. Run.

[@jimbrown4640]

Not wrong. End it and move on. Stay single or find someone appreciative.

[@craterous]

Yes, this would be just the beginning.

[@KaiHouston-m6j]

Run while you can, it will never get "better".

[@jaang7424]

"Do better"... by finding yourself a better woman. Imagine the living hell your life would be ten years down the road with "do better" girl.

[@SteveMichael]

Ouch that had to hurt. I know as an old married dude, I would want to find a woman who wants to save me money. One that would want what is best for both of us and one that wants to build a great marriage together. Sounds like you didn't get that BUT you found out before the ring was on her finger. My guess and this was just a guess, is that she was about to go tell her friends over text or social media and she felt embarrassed. This would not be the woman I would want to marry for sure.

[@shandorunia]

You have been given a glimpse into your future. The decision is not easy but its obvious what you need to do.

[@oldhag2881]

A man asked a beautiful girl to marry him. She didn't like his delivery, so she turned him down. He lived happily ever after.

[@nunomateus243]

i bet her friends told her thats was lame or something and she cave...

[@bigdgoriders]

That is a child in a woman's body. She showed her true colours before getting married, so she kinda did him a favour. Run. Run fast and run far.

[@NeoLotex]

So on a great vacation wasn't good enough, but she decided to do it on a comparatively shabby hike? Talk about "I don't care enough to put any effort into it" 🤣🤣 I wouldn't be surprised if one or more of her girlfriends were in her ear during that shower about how the proposal wasn't good enough.

[@jamesferguson536]

You're dodging a bullet, pal. If she's like this, imagine the next 25 years of putting up with this nonsense. Every. Damn. Day.

[@Bubba22able]

You sure can do better, with a different woman.

[@233lynx]

One thing is perfectly clear: she does not love OP enough to care about him. Nor she is stable enough to maintain meaningful relationship. That's epic🚩

[@jsullivan649]

Dude spent 10’s of thousands of dollars on her and she’s still not happy? Why are you even questioning it? Break up when you’re home and move on, she’s a brat.

[@Promatheos]

Saying no to a proposal should be the end of the relationship 100% of the time. If you arr prosed to but just “aren’t ready” you can always have a long engagement until you are ready or can call off the engagement later. But if you say no that is an automatic break up.

[@espiya5557]

Her friends might be the ones jeopardized it. She accepted it at first but rejected it after she left the shower. She talked to her friend(s), but they're not impressed and convinced her that the guy must redo it. Well, it is still her fault for listening to them.

[@Heymoe666]

Yes, he'd have to live the rest of his life listening secondhand to a bunch of angry clucking hens the rest of his life if he married her.

[@francreeps4509]

Really shallow of her, should have been a major red flag to OP. Glad he'll get a prenup though.

[@jonyjoe8464]

women only get one proposal, if she says no, move on.

[@matthewhuszarik4173]

This is the definition of a huge red flag.

[@lplp1546]

You have a great opportunity to find a new girlfriend who is kind and respectful. The one you have is not. She does not deserve you.

[@matthewhuszarik4173]

Each woman only gets one proposal per man she either says yes or you move on that is as simple as it gets. Giving her the opportunity to make itbup to you was gracious.

[@TerraDactyl-hc9ff]

As long as it isn’t at a strip club or hooters, I don’t see what the problem is lol. I wouldn’t even care if my man proposed to me with a ring pop

[@philipturner9087]

10k and a free holiday of the life time and she tells say no because it wasn’t the right moment the hotel was too cheap or something . . . Dump her the woman wants money . . .

[@gorenchick]

This how my ex proposed to me. We were out driving downtown and i saw a beautiful living room set in the window of a furniture store. I said to him how pretty it was. He responded i'll buy it for you when we get married and dropped a ring box on my lap. Yep we got married a few months later. No i didn't get the furniture set. 😂😂😂

[@spiderjump]

gf sounds like an entitled princess...

[@Kinta02]

I always wonder how these people dont see the endless amounts of red flags that HAVE to happen in those years before the obvious happens. A woman that is mentally healthy would never act like this. You arent a perfect girl and then reject a proposal after a wonderful holiday. people ignore the obvious willingly most of the time

[@JackieSkellington]

someone asked if he discussed the proposal...??? isn't that supposed to be a surprise?

[@deonanthony688]

I think one of her girlfriend got into her head

[@gregnagy7569]

The proposal wasn't good enough to brag to her friends and make them jealous......

[@jimt275]

She said no, dump her and move on!

[@RafitoOoO]

I proposed to my wife in her house with their parents, like oldschool ask her dad for her hand. She loved it. A year later I got homeless and asked for the ring back to sell it for food. She didn't hesitate for a second. We're together for 14 years now. If she loves you, it doesn't matter how you propose.

[@SignedWithBlood]

My brother proposed to his wife in the kitchen whilst she was doing the dishes.

[@spinmaster0]

Who spends 10k on a ring? Also, let her go. Marriage is more important than a wedding. A wedding is more important than a proposal.

[@DannyHooks]

I proposed to my wife while we were sitting in my car behind the police station. It’s not where you propose, it’s the knowledge that you ask her to spend your lives together and she says Yes. We have been more than happily married for 58 years. If you are really in love then when the proposal happens you both are completely unaware of where you are.

[@thequeenofdemons666]

If she wants a recorded showy proposal, then guess what?!?!?! She FIBBED about being a "PRINCESS." Her egregious and entitled behavior, actions, beliefs, and egregious attitude are not only unacceptable but unconscionable acts born of egocentricism and conceite. She is an ungrateful, ungracious, materialistic, and an entitled diva. She is pretentious and overly concerned about frivolous, ostentatious, grandiose appearances rather than the sentiment, love, and devotion behind the actions. Most importantly, you both are not on the same page and are not in sync with one another. If this a blunder of miscommunication or something far more serious then couples counseling. Actions speak louder than words. Actions have Consequences.

[@ChaosAngel667]

Reddit loves gaslighting men into submission.

[@VRDejaVu]

IF, big if, you plan on keeping this relationship, tell her that you already proposed and she didn't accept so you will NEVER propose again. This is 2024 and she is a big girl. There is no reason for her not to propose to you.

[@chazzmichaelmichaels5766]

The problem is you are using logic! Just take a long time and don't re-propose, Then keep her wondering when. Then tell her I only give one proposal per person!

[@SamLabbato]

the real question is, was her stupid hike proposal better than your around the world hotel proposal?

[@busher69]

Throw on some Iron Maiden and "Run For The Hills" . Dude this woman is poison, get out of Dodge and don't look back.

[@Absaalookemensch]

I asked my GF what date to get married while were were driving back after being out of town for the weekend. Still happily married 45 years later. Getting a pre-nup with that GF is wise. It will reveal her character.

[@scaredpaul540]

Just marry her...your prenup will be thrown to bin moment she say she was forced...she's there for selfies from trips you pay and money from divorce...i dont know how clueless someone like you can be

[@nelsonchereta816]

No woman is turning down a proposal to the man she loves and wants to spend her life with. She also insisted on an expensive ring. It sounds like she cares more about the proposal than she does about the marriage.

[@benjaminwoodham6682]

I mean we call her entitled, but OP said he wasn't proposing again and she went through with proposing to him. So maybe not so entitled? Seems like she learned a valuable lesson and took it to heart.

[@darth3911]

Not really the story says on the day he proposed he took her to many beautiful places such as temples, natural waterfalls, other landmarks and proposed at the days end in the hotel when they were tried and “sweaty.”

[@benjaminwoodham6682]

@darth3911 yeah I did listen to the whole story, did you actually read my comment or did you stop reading after the first six words?

[@user-pe2jr1rq6r]

No. Run away as fast as you can.

[@shadout]

In this position I probably wouldn't split up but at the same time say that there will be no do-over on my part. Leave it to her to decide if she wants (1) to reconsider, (2) to have the relationship remain as is for an agreed period before even discussing marriage again, or (3) splitting up.

[@gwenrichard7507]

I hope he doesn't give her the ring back and just uses it as the wedding ring if she goes through with it. An engagement ring should mean something to you. The wedding ring is supposed to mean something about your union. Ring shopping for an engagement ring seemed goofie. When she shows off the ring, she should be talking about YOU. "He loves art deco so he chose this setting, and this is his birthstone in a half duch rose because of his love of DnD." She knew he was going to propose and when he talked about how she said the hotel wasn't as luxurious, oof. She's a jumbotron girl for sure.

[@MJEESQ]

Ditch her and do not look back.

[@ladyweasellou3367]

Just run like h3ll

[@MetalHanyou1]

You take her to another country and give her a ring worth enough money to feed a family for a year and stay in a 4 star resort and she is saying "do better?" How the frick do you do better than that!? Yeah, no, this girl is entitled to an extreme degree. What on Earth kind of proposal does she want if that wasn't good enough!? Also, those comments saying shit like 'just because you are contented with a proposal doesn't mean everyone will be" - what, are these her friends finding the post on Reddit and trying to do damage control? Seriously, the way they talk you'd think he proposed to her in a sewer drain. If she doesn't like his proposal she can say no - and she did. Just as she is entitled to not like his proposal, he is entitled to give up on her because she is an entitled lunatic who rejected his proposal - again, a $10,000 ring and a trip to another country she wanted to visit in a 4 star hotel - wasn't good enough.

[@vikingshark2634]

The second woman I proposed to rejected my proposal because the ring wasn't good enough. To be honest I should have acknowledged the red flags I saw before (thousand of dollars invested into her collection of shoes and handbags, her constant 'jokes' about the specific make and model car I should buy for her, her obsession with both of us wearing the right fashions out in public) and it wasn't really a surprise that my mother (and grandmother's) wedding ring wasn't good enough. If this woman rejects your proposal with a 'do better', be prepared to either nope out immediately, or spend the rest of your life as her workhorse trying endlessly and unsuccessfully to please her.

[@jessedunn9835]

So remind her that she rejected that. Also that he knows he needs to do better but dispite that he truly cares about her so cutting all contact like she earned. Hopefully he can still get his money back. She dosent care about him at all or his feelings or how her actions affect him. Selfish,self absorbed and self centered woman is the recipe of a cheater strait up to. Not that she has to be but is the character.

[@ROCKSTAR123620]

Nope you doing it right

[@MKristensen]

The ring I got for my girlfriend, now wife costed about 1k and I proposed on our 2 year day in our kitchen. My wife was very happy. She has always been low maintenance and easy going. If a girl is very demanding, move on. If she wants a very expensive ring, move on.

[@davidhustle483]

What's the betting that she told her friends while she was in the shower, and they convinced her to do this?

[@tomwi53092]

A lot of women, at least in the USA, grow up getting their heads filled with fantasy from Disney to fairy tales to magazines and their friends fantasies; specifically, engagements and weddings. For some reason, these two days are the most sacred to them. This is why you have $10K rings and $30k weddings. Sounds like you've picked one of these gals. It doesn't necessarily mean this thinking extends to everything else.

[@joshuamcgraw2388]

yep sry bro you are in the wrong. you were wrong to even continue dating a woman like her that i have no doubt showed signs she was like this long before you, for some reason, thought about proposing to her.

[@ryanwolf4101]

While you were in Cambodia you should have found her replacement there.

[@chrisj.1608]

i proposed to my girlfriend in our master bedroom in our house

[@kevintaipale5197]

No

[@damoneboyd9945]

10k ring

[@Chickenfriedpenguin]

gets mad at you for how you asked but when she asks it's hiking on a trail back home?

[@VergilTheLegendaryDarkSlayer]

YTA for wasting $10,000 on a ring

[@shaunfox1391]

Shes not worth 10k Move on dude!

[@raven4442]

All the people against the lady; They were in Cambodia, beautiful scenery everywhere, and he asked her in a hotel room. That's pretty pathetic tbh. I would've assumed she wanted him to ask in any number of beautiful places there and not some generic hotel room. What's the point in proposing in another country if you're gonna do it in a hotel room?

[@darth3911]

To make the story worse he did it at the END OF THE DAY after visiting around FIVE places that would be perfect for an engagement.

[@Masachere]

I'm so confused, he said how beautiful the place is. The koi pond, the waterfall, but he proposed in the hotel room? They were going the very next day. It wasn't even like a malicious action, she's in this beautiful amazing place and the proposal happens in the hotel room. It's so freaking bizarre. I'm not even surprised she was thrown for such a loop, but I would fault her for her choice of words as they leave a terrible impression.

[@notyourtypicalchad6778]

Uh, this fictional story messed up at the end, didn't it? Thought he said SHE proposed to him before his birthday to make it right...but then the last piece of the story sounded like she didn't and claimed she had commitment issues? Booo...broken story.

[@supern0is349]

yes that's a huge mistake Women have ZERO right to DEMAND anything for a proposal. You dont get decide when, how, what, NOTHING. Its a men's responsibility to do it, so its a men's RIGHT to decide how its going to be. You are free to accept/reject it, but no, you dont get a saying in any of this. The men organize everything in whatever way it suits HIM. If it's not good enough for you its simply because you dont love the men enough. I guarantee you if the men of your dreems proposed anywhere anytime you'd be thrilled because at the end of the day what matters is WHO is doing the thing and how attracted you are, NOT how its done. If you care about the proposal it means you are an entitled princess who's never going to satisfied, which means no wife material. You are not ready for marriage and you dont deserve any proposal.

[@tomnorton8499]

I don’t get why in the hotel room? Took her on a magnificent trip but chose the blandest spot of the whole trip to propose.

[@tndoom]

Exaclty this...?

[@XaosSama]

Królewiec does look nice

[@diamondly6250]

Idk i kind of agree. your going to all these amazing places and you choice a hotel? i feel like that shows he dose not care. like at least go to a park or something. he said the hotel had a nice pool why not got there and do it.

[@stutikhanna987]

Did she specially tolf op that she wants a purposal in five start resturant and it should be grand or is it assumption done by op? Im little introvert and yes as much as it sounds nice to me i would love to involve my close family members there call me clingy i would like to have this memory.

[@aum1040]

OP has super low commitment to this woman. He shouldn't be getting married.

[@RobinRobertsesq]

Reddit comments are trash.

[@davidramirez1021]

OP is an idjit.

[@spike6487]

Another simp story.

[@collwyr]

i meaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan you had the temples you visited to propose to her, you had the waterfall to propose to her, you basically had every opportunity to propose in a grander way but chose a hotel room where you are both apparently dirty/sweaty and smelly.... can honestly see it from both sides, but I don't think i'd ever have proposed in that way when I had so many better opportunities to do it. Also, when OP claimed she would have to propose to him, she did it on a hike which sounds a lot better than in a hotel room, sweaty/smelly & dirty (although they might be that on the hike, but at least they'd have a view of something nice). Another thing I don't understand is why is he suddenly like "I accepted, but I'm not sure i'm enough for her, shes never been in a long term commitment" bla bla bla, all the girl did was reject the location not the man, this shit makes no sense. dudes got one foot out the door. Finally, unless the youtuber video guy made a mistake OP claimed that the GF proposed while they were hiking back home, so why is he saying at the end hes just returned home with a cold and has jet lag, I doubt you'd be going hiking in that state and if OP is referring to a hike while still on vacation why didn't he specify that rather than "back home" which implies they've returned home.

[@SubRedTales]

Hey! Just to clarify the last part: OP is replying to a really long comment that basically says, "either the girlfriend is not smart enough because she rejected the proposal just because she didn’t like the location, or she is not very much into OP." OP clarified that she is smart and maybe she is not that into him. He accepted her proposal when they were hiking (while still on vacation) because he didn’t want to make things awkward while traveling back. Maybe he got cold when he was traveling back, not while hiking. Now, he is waiting to be more clear-headed before having this conversation with her again. He said he’d update if things didn’t work out between them, but there’s no new update, so maybe things worked out! Hope it makes sense now.

[@collwyr]

@@SubRedTales that makes alot more sense now, thank you.