I am so glad I saw this. I wanted these but the price was high. And I wanted to research all saw horses. I bought the toughbuilt CB-700 and it cost me less then $100 dollars, I bought it for my husband for a Christmas gift this year. This one not only holds 2x2s but also holds 4x4s, and it is made of steal, and the KZbin reviews show how strong and reliable these are. So I am so glad I didn't get the Boras. Nice concept but they just do not look strong. I hope my husband likes the ones I bought him on Christmas Day. Anyway thanks for your review.
@542patriot3 жыл бұрын
Stability against side pressure is always my main requirement in a good sawhorse. Thanks for the review
@DukeNukem744 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review. That side force issue is a dealbreaker for me.
@ToolReviewZone4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, it definitely needs addressed
@whitechris7204 жыл бұрын
I agree I can't take these to a jobsite worried someone would get hurt. We abuse our saw horses. Thanks for the honest review
@plmn933 жыл бұрын
Yep. Not acceptable for the price.
@GiSoldier5593 жыл бұрын
Ya I’m less careful when I’m working and the abuse I put my equipment through, idk think it’ll take my 200lbs
@RoddyDa3 жыл бұрын
Yeah I was leaning toward these for the speed factor...think I’ll be going with toughbuilt. You should consider a review on those
@albertqss3 жыл бұрын
I am glad I found this. I don't want to spend that much money and get the problem. Thank you.
@tomdonelson3853 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review & for showing everyone a major problem. This problem is deal breaker for me. I was going to buy a set in about 10 days. Not anymore!!
@katluke5 күн бұрын
Side pressure is always the Achilles heel on this type of sawhorse,well done for pointing this fault out for people who did not know this . 👍
@anniemcu12783 жыл бұрын
Everything looked great with these until you proved their crucial weakness. Thanks for that. They may just need to make the fall zone angle out at the bottom on each end, to overcome that. That would be awesome!
@ColdWarVet6073 жыл бұрын
What you did with a light lean would be nothing compared to what 500-750 lbs of load being placed on/hoisted on/slid on or dropped on would do and these are supposedly rated 2600 lbs a pair. As soon as I first saw the legs drop I wondered how they would handle a shifting load. Wow, all that thought for other aspects and they miss the most obvious. These cost 40% more than the Harbor Freight Bauer design which is only missing the one button setup feature. Im headed to Harbor Freight. great review and keep up the gymnastics!
@ToolReviewZone3 жыл бұрын
Yeah ever, was kinda shocked to see this happen. I haven’t tried the Harbor freight, but check out the Jaw horse or even the Dewalt horses as well
@DBB-KE5DUO4 жыл бұрын
Honesty is the best review any viewer can (and should) ask for! I’m a DYI guy, and can not afford to buy a lot of tools that fail short of what we expect a tool to perform. You do that for us... thus allowing us to make a more informed buying decision.
@ToolReviewZone4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely. I will never recommend something to someone that I wouldn't buy myself 👊
@AntonioClaudioMichael4 жыл бұрын
I have the toughbuilt C700 Saw horses and there 1300 per horse and haven't had any problems with them there stiff and they hold side weight as well as downward weight great @ToolReviewZone
@ToolReviewZone4 жыл бұрын
Awesome, thanks for the feedback Antonio!!!!
@tonkatoy2003 жыл бұрын
I've just bought them, they're superb, although setting them up can be a bit awkward. Glad I didn't go for Bora though!
@AntonioClaudioMichael3 жыл бұрын
@@tonkatoy200 awesome let us know what you like about them over time
@megdahlin1118 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing this review. I'd love to see other comparable brands under this stress test. I bought a pair of these two years ago and as a DIY dabbler they've served me well.
@twicebittenthasme55454 жыл бұрын
Had a set collapse from leaning some sheetrock against them, while 3/4 ply rested on them. Only cost me about 500 bucks, in repairs, damaged tools and ruined stock. I won't make that mistake again...either in buying those pieces of crap or by not checking clearances. Live and learn. As for weight holding capabilities, a pair of "i-beam" shop-builts will hold the same and won't cost much except the time and scrap. I'd put these in the trash bin as the plastic ones.
@ToolReviewZone4 жыл бұрын
Wow, that is insane. I thought maybe it was just be as I could not believe how easy they were to bend. Thanks for the feedback Thasme
@556blackwater9 ай бұрын
I had these in my amazon cart and ready to buy, but figured id check for a review first. You saved me from making big mistake! I bought the tough built c650 instead. Thanks for doing this great review!
@AB-nu5we4 жыл бұрын
I have a pair. I didn't test their ability to handle shear forces, now I don't have to. Version 2 needs to have that issue fixed. There's no excuse for that kind of poor engineering design mistake. And no, Bora can't argue that they weren't meant to be used that way. As you noted, these are supposed to hold up on a job site which no one has to be reminded has all sorts of activities that beat tools up. Right now, I'd be afraid to use mine as a puzzle assembly table after seeing your review. Thanks for the heads up.
@ToolReviewZone4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback A B. I thought maybe I was going crazy as this has so many great reviews, but I guess it having the same issue 👊
@notesfromavagabond3 жыл бұрын
Thanks you just saved me some hard earned dollars. I had some other sawhorses older generations not sure if they were bora but they might've been that were just like these and after a few uses they failed because I couldn't get them to fold together properly. You're the only video that I've seen that point out the one big flaw of this sawhorse. Thanks
@kinbolluck4768 ай бұрын
I was trying to see how it could handle sliding force, thanks for that
@evildead17913 жыл бұрын
Really appreciate the honest review, was going to buy a pair of these... the search conintues for good saw horses
@yourinnersasquatch52073 жыл бұрын
In the same situation. After watching many reviews, ended up going with the Kreg Track Horse. Been using them for a few months, and they’re quite nice. Didn’t like a couple things, though: No handle for transport and loose components while in transit. And then … came up with a nice DIY fix for both, and now I LOVE IT! For anyone interested, just search KZbin for “Handle for Kreg Track Horse”.
@peterlutsch27177 ай бұрын
Thank you for this review was really excited for this project but the side force breakage is a total deal breaker
@LiamBehan-mi8kr3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your honest feedback 👍very much appreciated. PS. Love your channel 💪🏴
@ToolReviewZone3 жыл бұрын
Thanks B13!!!!
@RogueTrader-3 жыл бұрын
Glad I watched this review. I was going to pick up a pair of these to use as a work bench but also to double up as a hop-up platform if i need throw some planks on top and work around ceilings and cornices. I knew that wasn't what they are designed for but i can use my old steel ones like that, they just so big and heavy. These would be very dangerous. Thanks!
@workinwithme4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the honest and very thorough review. Really helped me out.
@michelebufford48383 жыл бұрын
Thanks for putting the product under real life functional testing. I would of been disappointed to learn of sideloading causing such an issue after the fact.
@MrB12232000 Жыл бұрын
Hey Clint, Larry from da Burgh - love the channel/content. I have been eyeing these for awhile. When used with 2x4 rails screwed in, the "major issue" becomes a non-issue.
@TheMonkdad Жыл бұрын
Thanks. I was going to buy a pair. I’ll keep looking.
@1WickedWS64 жыл бұрын
Real smooth catching that flaw! I have Toughbuilt horses and while not as easy to open and close, they haven’t failed me once. The weight capacity isn’t too far off from the Bora either.
@ToolReviewZone4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment and feedback Wicked!!!
@jonathandempsey93852 жыл бұрын
I bought a pair of these today on clearance at the big box store. I have other sawhorses but they aren’t great for cutting up full sheets of plywood. The store had 3 in stock- two with bent legs that weren’t even functional and only one good one. This was a big red flag for me, but the manager was walking by and he let me have them for next to nothing because who would trust a sawhorse that’s already bent. It took a couple hours, but I eventually got them straightened back out and they work perfectly fine for cutting up the occasional sheet good that I need it for. I’m glad I did not pay full price though and certainly will not put any heavy loads on them. Too bad because they are pretty great otherwise.
@gb96963 жыл бұрын
Thank you for revealing the flaw. Saved me time and money. I’ll be getting two adjustable ones by Kobalt. Kobalt is a bit heavy and klunky but, will stand up to abuse.
@AntonioClaudioMichael4 жыл бұрын
I do all of these trades you listed 0:30 to 0:55 good Work Clint Broski @ToolReviewZone
@mauricioguima85 Жыл бұрын
Thansk for the review!
@youmbgtube3 жыл бұрын
Nice video review - I was ready to pull the trigger on this PM-4500. Bora now has an adjustable leg version of this - model PM-4550. They claim the "wobble" issue has been addressed. Sounds like another test is in order.
@youmbgtube3 жыл бұрын
FYI - couple days ago I found the Speedhorse at my local Lowes. It not only auto-deployed nicely but didn't have the wobble you and others have noted.
@InsaneentertainmentNet4 жыл бұрын
I have 2 of them, love em, but I doubt I will ever use them for anything other than sawing wood or using it as a make-shift work table for assembling something.
@joec24423 жыл бұрын
Very useful information thank you
@sethgthomas Жыл бұрын
I was considering these vs. the toughbuilt the other week. Just "playing" with them in the store, the top of one of the legs bent quite easily from a little side pressure as you mentioned; complete failure. Additionally, no adjustability on the legs. Since I use mine a lot around a homestead on uneven ground, the toughbuilt adjustable won easily. $20/less each, similar capacity, adjustable legs, material kickout pegs, and quite solidly built.
@ToolReviewZone Жыл бұрын
The ToughBuilt ms are legit. I have a ud somewhere on them, but I really like them 👊
@builttoughtooltalk4 жыл бұрын
These look really nice. Congrats on 70K bro. Well deserved 👊🏻
@ToolReviewZone4 жыл бұрын
Thanks built!!!!
@lukeplayer1873 жыл бұрын
I’ve got the Toughbuilt C650’s. Not as quick to deploy as these but one thing I like about the C650 are that each leg is height adjustable so you can set up on uneven ground. That’s actually come in handy a few times. Not sure if they would take the side to side movement as well as the Bora ones but I’ll have a look when they’re set up next
@hjorte.2 жыл бұрын
Did you get a chance to check the Toughbulit for side-to-side stability?
@BHSL112 жыл бұрын
@@hjorte. I have the Toughbuilt C700 and went to check that after watching this video. Not moving 1 inch and they aren't even sitting on a flat surface. Seem far sturdier than these Bora ones. They are a pain to open and I even hurt myself once, but I value reliability more than having the luxury of opening them in 5 seconds.
@hjorte.2 жыл бұрын
@@BHSL11 thanks, much appreciated.
@harleymutt8542Ай бұрын
Thank you for the honest review!
@patriciagantz3773 жыл бұрын
I was doing a little job at my vacation home , bought the cheap plastic saw horses figuring I wasn’t going to beat them up to bad . Pulled a sheet of Advanteck off my pickup onto them and broke them all to shit ! Stopped everything and built 2x4 horses . They don’t budge or anything . I just stack them up in the garage , some things you can’t make better !
@patrickflanagan8008 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this...nice one matey
@Igor-q3f Жыл бұрын
Just bought these today At Lowe’s on sale .Really like that the 2x4 is higher and using it with the track saw.
@jonfrisch25843 ай бұрын
They're great for woodworking. Buy the 4550 adjustable legs, to match height with workbench. Just don't force them sideways.
@johnrice91214 жыл бұрын
CONGRATS ON 70K!! 🔥🔥🔥
@ToolReviewZone4 жыл бұрын
Thanks John!!!!!
@michaldobrzyn3 ай бұрын
I literally picked up a pair yesterday. Now I feel shafted.
@RealitySurvival4 жыл бұрын
Good stuff, it is always good to know the flaws!
@ToolReviewZone4 жыл бұрын
Thanks RSP!!!
@MyGuyKirby4 жыл бұрын
A good and honest review, too bad of this oversight on Bora's design. Old style wood sawhorses could easily handle a side load of ply or sheetrock resting against them, why not BORA?
@coltwinchester61248 ай бұрын
Thanks for the review. I'm looking at saw horses that I can set my 1,700 pound truck camper on when not in use. These failed for my needs.
@ccadama4 жыл бұрын
@Tool Review Zone. Thanks Clint for thorough and honest review of the saw horses. You helped alot of people save money until the company fixes the problem. My only other question is what does Chaka think about you holding a Ryobi hammer? Hope you and your family stay safe and well.
@ToolReviewZone4 жыл бұрын
As mentioned before Adama, I'll never recommend anything to my subscribers that I wouldn't buy myself bro. That said, Chaka is not a subscriber to this channel, but I have heard from others that he lives Ryobi lol
@DIYVariety4 жыл бұрын
Honest review thanks
@rottiejakeluke3 жыл бұрын
Great info. I was just about ready to purchase but due to the side motion info I’m thinking twice before doing so,
@ranchotools4 жыл бұрын
I like honest reviews thanks for sharing, and not to bad product but could be better for sure
@ToolReviewZone4 жыл бұрын
That's all you'll ever get here brother
@funfreq92823 жыл бұрын
Sounds like Bora needs to pay you for R&D'ing their product!. The other thing I didn't like is the fact that they don't support a full sheet of Ply on the sides.
@waegnw1793 Жыл бұрын
Regarding the use of these for a workbench: One should use the 2x4s mounted on edge as shown for the long sides, and then cut and mount a 40" 2x4 to the top surface of each sawhorse (flat/wide side down). If you do not do the latter, the shorter edge of your workbench will have no support in the middle. With just the side rails, the bottom surface of the workbench plywood top will be 1.5" above the top of each of the sawhorses. So add both the long 2x4 side rails and the 40" section of 2x4 and the workbench surface will be fully supported along all edges. Regarding the video where it shows these sawhorses having a lot of play/wobble side-to-side: When releasing/opening the sawhorse legs, they will snap into place but the latches do not always lock fully into place (i.e., the latches do not fully seat themselves). Once the legs are opened, if one manually presses on each of the leg latches by hand, they will seat themselves fully and this eliminates 99% of the sideways play/wobble shown in this video. Also, by ensuring that these latches are fully/firmly locked into place, this would probably have also prevent the damage to the sawhorse latch that occurred when the author of this video decide to push the sawhorse sideways.
@coppulor6500 Жыл бұрын
The comments section in youtube is gold for this exact reason. People chiming in with valuable feedback like yours. Thank you so much!
@darcymcnabb92593 жыл бұрын
This is what we need more of testing products.
@randydogs613 жыл бұрын
Great review, it wobbles and bends when leaned against. thin metal locking leg support. will look elsewhere for a more stable platform.
@slams77834 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review TRZ. At work I use both the Bora (which seem to be a little more flimsy) and toughbuilt and I was considering this pair since I need more saw horses. Unfortunately I'm not sold on them yet.
@ToolReviewZone4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the feedback Slams 👊
@teeandy1002 ай бұрын
*Back yard picnic table base *Yard sale table base *Camping bed base
@MikeC191007 ай бұрын
Interesting. I just saw a pair of these at Lowe's and was considering picking them up, but I wanted to see a couple more video reviews and ran across this one. After seeing how easily they failed with the side motion I don't want to spend $59 for one or $118 for two (not counting sales tax) if they fail that easily. I'm looking at either the Touhghbuilt 700 or the Kreg Track Horse ($179 each) because I have a lot of Kreg tools and benches already and really like their durability.
@randolphscudder23723 жыл бұрын
Probably saved me some money, thanks.
@rudolphrainmaker65603 жыл бұрын
Great review...very complete. I was looking at these, very glad you tested the side load capacity (fail)... by chance did the manufacturer come back with any comment to that weakness? Thanks - I like your channel
@MrLeram126 ай бұрын
Thanks. I was about to purchase a pair. NOT NOW!
@rays9033 Жыл бұрын
Great review, I’m now a new subscriber. I’ll pass on buying these, thanks for saving me the money and a possible disaster! Sounds like all sawhorses need a “side-load” specification too!
@ToolReviewZone Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment and welcome to the channel Ray!!!!!
@Troph24 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this review. I'm in the market for some sawhorses, trying to justify the cost of the jawhorse sheetmaster, but still weighing other options.
@ToolReviewZone4 жыл бұрын
I just did a review on the Jawhorse. I've noticed a lot of rust already after leaving them outside. Very disappointed in that, but I will definitely say that the Dewalt saw horses have held up nicely
@GiSoldier5593 жыл бұрын
Wow for the money fished out for these, I’d like for it to be more indestructible. Thanks for the review
@jeramiedehart872510 ай бұрын
That issue does suck. But for me, the best part of these sawhorses is the way you can install side rails that stick up 1.5 inches. Meaning I can lay a 2x4 flat anywhere in the middle for working on skinny long boards
@PaulLadendorf3 жыл бұрын
I've probably never put more than maybe 200 lbs on my sawhorses so the 3000 lbs doesn't impress me. And the quick release legs save me about 15 secs per day. So it basically comes down to an extra $100 for some board slots.
@cashisgreen63833 күн бұрын
Speed isn’t always better, torque and strength are also important
@josephmalinowski68174 жыл бұрын
What's up brother how is your Sunday going hope all is good I've been looking for a new set of horses 👊🇺🇸😎 I have a set that's dedicated for the my brake table and then we end up using the plastic foldable horses but forever my father uses the metal sawhorse what's a 2 by 4 on top flip them over and then you can fold the legs into the sawhorse he's uses forever and always continue to use us you just have to watch what you put them down on because of the metal feet but I didn't like that and how it collapse that easy great video enjoy your weekend brother
@ToolReviewZone4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the awesome comment as usual Joseph👊👊👊👊
@RebootADude3 жыл бұрын
Glad I found this. No way I'm buying these. Glad I didn't waste my money.
@utahprepper89253 жыл бұрын
You just convinced me to get a set of ToughBuilt C700's from Home Cheapo.
@robertweissman5911 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for a very meaningful evaluation, I was comparing to a competitor brand to make a decision. It's alergy season and I feel a sneeze coming on... ah... ah... ah.. K-R-E-G. Gesundheit!
@dsergison2 жыл бұрын
yeah, deal breaker for me too. I have not been able to find these in store to personally inspect and I was about to order online. Thank you for exposing that flaw.
@stormbytes3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the review. Like others, I've decided against buying the Bora sawhorses after watching your experience.
@dantheman93954 жыл бұрын
Very interesting results
@ToolReviewZone4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, definitely bummed out towards the end Dan 😢
@michealadams12063 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you discovered that horizontal weakness flaw. This is NOT good! Not only could it really jam up completely under extreme horizontal forces perhaps it could also collapse under a heavy load whole under horizontal load!
@pipplepopple3 жыл бұрын
I got these and they are great, I bought two lengths of 4" x 2" to put between them, but they didn't fit, I had to cut them down to 1.75" width [ luckily I have a table saw] which was annoying. apart from this they have been fine.
@michaelfairchild4 жыл бұрын
On serious job sites those saw horses would be hit or pushed more than one time and if you leaning on them caused them to malfunction, then it is a problem. Secondly, how they wiggle on those legs. To raw cuts sure, but using it for detail cuts with either jigsaw or circular saw I would go with something with more sturdy legs.
@ToolReviewZone4 жыл бұрын
Agreed bro. Everything is quality on these except the legs. Total bummer for sure
@noroomforgloom4 ай бұрын
Good job
@geraldklump95364 жыл бұрын
Nice job!
@ToolReviewZone4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Gerald !
@AntonioClaudioMichael4 жыл бұрын
Lmfao hold on let me change omg that was so funny 🤣 @ToolReviewZone
@ToolReviewZone4 жыл бұрын
Hahaha, thanks brother
@plmn93 Жыл бұрын
I like my Rigid Lumberjack sawhorses. Light, fast setup, easy to adjust, sacrificial top, tool shelf...I'd take them every day over finger-pinching metal horses.
@trudyrudenick68173 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@ScoutSniper31243 жыл бұрын
Great Review, Thanks. But is there some intractable rule on KZbin that crappy distracting music MUST be playing in the background?
@melgross4 ай бұрын
I have these and the side force issue is really a non issue. I’ve never heard of that happening. At any rate, I always grab the bottoms of sawhorses legs and give a pull outwards, towards the ends, to make sure the legs are tighter against the floor/ground or whatever. Considering that there are so many positive reviews of these pretty much everywhere, I wouldn’t be concerned. After all, who is going to deliberately push that way against the side? Oh yeah, he did.
@181drake Жыл бұрын
The sideload will come into play when laying heavy sheets across them. So that's a no for me.
@ABH3134 жыл бұрын
Damn I've been thinking about getting these...not anymore. Thank you for wasting your money for the rest of us lol the 👍 was well deserved
@brianwgDK2 ай бұрын
Thx fore the video, the fail of the speed relese fail just made me not buy them... like the idea, but they need to fix this problem, but your video is 3 years old, and they are still the same 😮💨
@stephenandelin46883 жыл бұрын
Excellent video, thanks.
@lbrown8084 жыл бұрын
I’d be interested to see what happens if BORA were to be contacted about the side force “failure.”
@tdz693 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this review. Gonna pass based on the flaw you shared.
@amoscardoza52534 жыл бұрын
Yo TRZ! That's a darn shame! I was eyeballing these for awhile now but after seeing this I wont be getting these unless of course for the right price (free). I also find it hard to believe that you would have trouble carrying both saw horses with that gymnasts physić of yours.
@ToolReviewZone4 жыл бұрын
I never thought these would do that AMOS! I don't really understand it as everything else on them are built great?
@whitechris7204 жыл бұрын
Even free knowing they could get a guy hurt I won't allow them on my sites. We stack plywood on these horses, every ounce in a while we're pushing from the side to straighten them or to single one out. I just imagine a downward force then a side load then of course a broken ankle.
@AtomkeySinclair3 жыл бұрын
Yeah that's kinda silly for that metal end piece to not handle lateral force. Out comes the welder and some 1/4" plate. Shouldn't have to, but that's how I would deal with it assuming there's clearance for the modification. But I'm not certain that's the target purpose for the things anyway. They seem light duty to begin with. I'll stick to my heavy duty manual folders that don't wobble at all.
@gsdwolf48276 ай бұрын
THANK YOU! Was liking these for a sec and then BAM... you helped me back out... awesome video!
@jmbnorth2 жыл бұрын
Well I was going to put a order in for them but after seeing how they failed. Nope! Not worth the money I think. Thanks for the review.
@CrowCreekOutdoors3 жыл бұрын
These are only good for holding one board or sheet at a time, not for stacking material on. I built my last two sets out of scrap material. They’re heavy & they aren’t convenient to carry from one place to another, but I don’t have any $ in them, and they’’ll support all the material I want to put on them.
@jonspitzley28014 жыл бұрын
Great review 👍 ✌️
@ToolReviewZone4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jon!!!
@JAO9813 жыл бұрын
Almost order them at Amazon, but now I'm not sure, which one are the best then???
@tim627443 жыл бұрын
Good honest review man I won’t be buying I’m going for tough build c700 ,problem with tool manafactures is they don’t give there tools to trades people to try out before they go to manafacturing ,🇨🇮🇨🇮🇨🇮☘️
@briannewton35354 жыл бұрын
A great review. If solid and tough, worth the money. Not for me. I don't mind a longer open-up/pack-away, gonna keep looking, or make timber ones.
@henrymcdonald870 Жыл бұрын
You are right you pay $100 and that happen no way
@kperellie4 жыл бұрын
I looked into these when they first came out, and as nice as they are, I guess, I'd never pay $150.00 or whatever they were for a set of horses. Unless they could support a saddle and take me riding or plow a field.