I quit the airlines

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[@cessna177flyer3]

You make some good points. This industry isn’t for everyone, but I’ve been very happy commuting and flying a 777 for the past 10 years. Yes, I’ve missed some family events and spend 12 days/month sleeping in a hotel. But, I’m also home 24/7 for the remaining 18 days - with no job-related responsibilities, stress, office cubicle politics, or the need to schmooze my boss to get the next promotion. Heck, I’ve never even met my boss. I go to work with some great people, do my job (which is flying a really cool jet all over the world), then go home to spend time with the fam. I’m compensated very well so my wife doesn’t NEED to work (she chooses to do volunteer work for her own fulfillment). I can afford to send my kids to private universities and own my own airplane. Yes, this industry can suck when you are starting out and are junior. I played the long game and it has worked out for me. Cheers.

[@vincentalakija5515]

Thank you so much for your comment. I would really love to have a discussion with you outside of KZbin if possible

[@Paradox-2884]

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[@benc1103]

I'm a senior captain at a global airline (former USAF). This is a great video and spot on. One thing missing: Flying is not a job. It's a passion. People become pilots because they love to fly, money being secondary. Nearly all of such people develop a love of aviation when they are kids, building and flying models, learning the science and reading about aviation history. They already know they'll be pilots. At age 15 I could spin an E6B as well as any pilot. If you don't have this passion, it's a tough way of life initially as you go through the training and building experience in the military, or instructing and commuter/regional airlines. If you have the passion, you'll still enjoy it because.....it's what you love. If you want to become an airline pilot just because "it's a good job" and the pay is good (at some point), it's easier to just become a doctor or lawyer, and you can be home with the family a lot more. So, if you love flying, go for it. There's never been a better time. Regionals are boosting their pay pates and work rules. If one had to stay at SkyWest their whole career, it would still be a great career if you live near your base airport (within easy driving range). Commuting is something you may have to do initially. When you get hired, the airline will put you where they need you. Then you can bid to your base/plane of choice, easier now with all the movement. Long term, wide body In'tl FO is great. Days worked/pay ratio is great. Meaning that you're close to narrow body captains pay while working a lot less days. No wonder that 777/787 FO is senior to 737 captain. Pretty nice working 3 trips per month (9-12 days per month. 6-8 nights per month away from home), easy even if you're commuting. Think long term. As for me, I've loved every minute of it. I was single in the Air Force (a good thing, or I'd probably be divorced). I live an hour's drive from LAX. Wife doesn't work (well, she runs her own business out of the house). You can probably get based where you live although it might mean delaying capt upgrade till you can get it at your base. If you're a wide body FO, you'll probably just stay put and wait till you can hold that as captain, and enjoy family life. But you'll save days away from home by not commuting and some stress. Our airline (and probably others) have a commuter policy: if you can't get on your commuter flight, or one backup flight, you can call crew sched and invoke the policy (of not having to fly the trip). You won't get paid for the trip, but you can always pick up another trip. Regarding the author of the video and commuting from Atlanta to Chicago, it probably sucks. But I'm assuming he wasn't going to spend an entire career at SkyWest. I'm assuming flying for Delta out of Atlanta at some point is the goal (achievable sooner rather than later). OK, 3 years (for example) at a young age seems like eternity. But 3 years of commuting followed by a 35 year career in base with a global airline is like winning the lottery (again, assuming you love flying). But with a working wife, who at that particular time probably makes the bigger paycheck, kids, the grief of commuting, and perhaps no particular love for flying, I can see that one might quit.....if another lucrative and local job offer came along that might pay $200K per year near term and $400K per year (in present day dollars) down the road. Not sure the top story of that nearby building pays that kind of money without taking job stress and work home with you. As an airline pilot, at the end of the trip, you set the brakes and you're done till the next trip. Enjoy your unencumbered time at home. Look at the big picture down the road. Hope this helps. Best of luck in all your endeavors.

[@d.c.6942]

Congrats on your career and a path that seems to be very fulfilling for you! Lots of valuable information in there - can I ask for a piece of advice? I'm a drummer from Europe, just turned 40, with a bachelor's degree in music and ponder the idea of getting into aviation. I've been passionate about music all my life, but the grind of making a living out of it has taken a lot of the excitement away. So I'd rather keep the love for it alive as a hobby and find a new job that ignites my passion again and feels like an adventure, instead of dragging on in a routine that has lost its charme. I have always loved travelling, discovering new places, and the general excitement of airports. The feeling that just by getting on one of those awesome machines you could go absolutely anywhere on the planet and experience something new. Obviously my main interest growing up has been music, even if the idea that it might give me the possibility to see the world has been linked to it. So I guess I'd have to get closer to a cockpit than just taking a passenger flight to find out if I could really be passionate about it. Do you think it still makes sense to start pilot training at my age? I want to be able to provide for a good living, buy a place to live, while doing something exciting that makes the journey worthwhile. It's not just about the money, but considering that I'd have to pay a huge bill and take up a loan for education first: Is there a chance that I make it to some well-paid job with liveable schedules and how long would it take me? Or would it be very difficult to get hired and move up the ranks with my CV? I don't want to spend a lot of effort and money and get stuck somewhere on the way without it ever paying off because of my late start. Would it make a difference to try a career in the US as opposed to Europe? Also rotary blade seems like a very cool option with maybe even more flexibility to see different places or settle down.. Lots of questions, I know, but any advice would be highly appreciated.

[@benc1103]

@@d.c.6942 Lots of people have made career changes and become pilots. You won't have as long a career as most, but it'll still be rewarding. You'll probably have to take out a loan for any professional education you take on. Again, you'll need a keen interest in flying because there are other professions in law, business or medicine. But if your heart is set on flying, go for it. Once you get underway in your career they'll be time to devote to your musical career. Lots of pilots have second occupations because that's also where their interests are, and they have the time. Life is too short to just dream about things. It's only long enough to do them. Your choice is to continue being a musician at your current level. Or being a pilot and a musician. Who knows. The traveling you'll do as a pilot might get you connections for your music. In short, 40 is not too old. Many have started around that age. Do as much research as you can, but don't keep on dreaming. The pilot shortage is expected to last around 10 years, so get in while you can. You'll continue to research while you train. The pilot shortage is worldwide, so that's good news if you have a particular place you want to live. Search for 1-800 Jet Jobs. It used to be the old FAPA magazine from 35 years ago. It's a jobs placement type of outfit. Not sure what they do now, but Google it

[@benc1103]

Just did some research. It's now FAPA.Aero It's a subscription and counseling service. Worth every penny to get the straight scoop and find out what's really going on in the industry.

[@benc1103]

Let me add that you can start learning/training right now. Flying is the easy part. It's all the book learning that is a bit of a bear, particularly since you didn't grow up being an airplane nerd. Most of "us" learned a lot as kids building and flying model aircraft. I could spin an E6B like a pro at age 15. First get a medical exam equivalent to an FAA First Class Medical. If you can't pass that, there's no point continuing unless you just want to still fly for your own pleasure, in which case a lower class of medical will suffice. Start watching and learning on KZbin. Lots of good instructors (KZbin channels:The Finer Points and MZeroA are a good start). Basic aerodynamics, charts and navigation, stalls, slow flight, maneuvers, talking and the radio, and in particular: Airspace. Most of this will be common for different countries. You can start ground school on your own, and even take the written exam for PPL. Kingschools.com is good. iPad app by Daunltless Aviations good for practice exams. Sheppard Air has good courses as well. Their Instrument course is good, from what I hear. Thats assuming you'll be training in the USA. If training in Europe, similar on line or video courses are probably available. Ideally, you show up for training at a particular flight school with your written exam already done. That'll save time and money. Even the KZbin studying will help immensely. You might as well get into the student mindset. If you can't do this, flying professionally may not be for you. An airline pilot is always learning, studying, training. Every time you go to a new plane, it's a month of full time school. Might as well get used to it now.

[@d.c.6942]

@@benc1103 Oh wow, thank you very much! What a ton of valuable insider information, your enthusiasm for the airborne life really shows. Sound advice to get a medical check beforehand to reduce risk of a possible disappointment later on. I also think I should get myself on both a small plane and a helicopter, to see if one of them really makes my heart beat and I love it enough to spend the rest of my professional life honing the craft. And to find out which I lean more towards, fixed wing or rotary. Do you know if there is also a pilot shortage in the helicopter sector? As an outsider, rotary looks a bit more fun in terms of the actual flying and more freedom to pick up different midterm jobs all over the world without worrying about seniority too much. Fixed wing/ airline on the other hand looks like the better proposition in the long run, combining a steady home base and social life with regular trips to other countries or even around the world. Do you think it's possible even with a late start to make it through the "paying the dues" part and reach a position with reasonable schedules and proper payment within, say, 8 to 10 years? Also thanks a lot for leaving absolutely no doubt about the mindset and hard work required. I know that I am only able to do that with something I'm passionate about. Seems to be quite similar to music in that regard, both are kind of dream/doing what you love jobs. With all pros and cons. Lots of people want to get in, and you have to fully commit long before it starts to pay off. But I agree, life's too short to not commit! You sound like a great guy with a solid can-do mentality, thanks for the inspiring conversation.

[@JoeMattitas]

I am a wide-body Captain at a major airline and started in the regionals, based in Vermont. I moved across the country at age 23 for that first airline job at a whopping $10k per year. Loved every minute of it. Living in ski country and home every night. Bottom line is, you've got to have the pasdion for flying-it's not for everyone. That is the first and only question i ask any young person that i mentor. There are ways you can mitigate the downside stress: do not commute, marry someone who understands the business and stay senior. Most pilots that i know who were furlioughed couldn't wait to return to flying after working a desk job. Wide-body flying at a full schedule can be as few as 9 days per month. My quality of life beats most all of my friends in the corporate world. Anyone who is successful in the business world and fortunate enough to support a family in style has a ton of stress and pressure with hiring/firing, sales goals, deadlines and so on. I see many folks in my neighborhood getting on the train at 6am to the city and returning home by 6 or 7pm only to do more work from home-not fun! I have been able to start and run a successful real estate investment business for the past 24 years, which I would never be able to have done working a 9 to 5 job. One thing I will add for those who make it to the majors, you can drop trips and work part-time and still make more than the average working person. You simply have to have the passion for the job and if not, then this life is not for you.

[@stevenflattum156]

I hope that this doesn’t discourage young pilots. It has been a great career for me. I had to commute for 2 years it wasn’t too bad. It eventually gets way better so hang in there.

[@dukupaco]

Thank you so much for this

[@technicalactivity]

i stopped my journey after ifr in 2016 due to low pay and high school costs. not to mention 2 of 3 my instructors being terrible californians

[@mmouseav8r402]

I'm a 747 pilot for a cargo airline with a wife and kids and am giving serious consideration to quitting and doing something else, but being >40, it's not easy to think about.. Trying to get on with Allegiant as I live close to one of their bases and being able to be home every night is very appealing. I have my own airplane so I don't need the airlines to fulfill my love for flying.

[@rulenumerouno]

I fly for Allegiant.... and for QOL, its unbeatable... They have their other issues, but I'm not sure I'd continue to fly for the airlines if Allegiant wasnt available.

[@mmouseav8r402]

@@rulenumerouno Any chance that we can talk outside of KZbin? I love flying the 747, but it’s not fair to the family that I’m not home.

[@danzodamanzo8192]

@@rulenumerouno I heard Allegiant offers minimal overnights and better QOL for lower pay. But pay isn't everything. I have a friend at United and he's in his mid-40s with a family and is miserable as a Year 2 FO.

[@rulenumerouno]

@@mmouseav8r402 yes, absolutely

[@robertsteffy9608]

@@mmouseav8r402 I'm working on CFI right now at a 141, crazy to see a 747 pilot in here. Would love to chat about your experiences.

[@TheRealTomSelleck]

Something that my wife and I do- every couple months we have a very intentional “check in” with each other to discuss if aviation is changing or hindering our relationship in any way and how to fix or mitigate it. Family is our number one priority. Awesome video, thanks for posting.

[@nealsandy8464]

Love that approach.

[@rws0010]

I flew 121 for almost 15 years before I left. Part 91 is where it’s at! It actually feels like back in the day when we were hanger rats. Going to FBO’s at smaller airports is actually enjoyable and they treat you great. Best of luck on your new gig!

[@alessio272]

Yea part 91 you don’t have op spec you gotta deal with.

[@Keys879]

91 has the most fun, 135 cargo has the best bang for the buck. But that's just me. The whole industry is in a weird state. Will be interesting to see how things go forward.

[@ordyy89]

I agree. Same experience for me.

[@mdalby512]

I left the regionals 2 years ago…best decision I ever made….found a corporate gig…home almost every night and making quadruple.

[@DuragVince-]

How easy was it to find a corporate gig? What’s the pros over regionals and what was it about the regionals that made you leave?

[@mdalby512]

Finding a corporate gif is easy….they’re hurting for pilots worse than the airlines….finding a corporate gig that treats you well is the tough part. There are lots of part 91 jobs that are awful. The pros over the regionals are that I’m home just about every night and my commute is a 20 min drive to the airport.

[@DuragVince-]

@@mdalby512 how do you actually look for a corporate job?

[@baomao7243]

My CFI went to the regionals then they messed around inefficiently, so and he spent a lot of timing sitting around. He went corporate instead. He loves it wince it gives him a way better personal lifestyle.

[@JWALL_]

Just got fired from being a CFI, honestly don’t enjoy the industry and feel so free rn. Think I’m done with the industry.

[@justinwalker831]

We'll miss you here at SkyWest! I'm glad you took the jump to do what's best for your family. For me, the airlines are the most amazing career on earth, but depending on the situation they can absolutely suck...

[@DanPKing16]

Best assessment I’ve heard on the topic yet!

[@christopherreiher7527]

I’m doing it while my wife taking care of my 4 kids one of whom with special needs. It is extremely tough I can say that.

[@bluefishbeagle1]

I was a commuter for ten years and have been out of the industry for 17 years, I still have dreams of being late for a trip, missing my flight, not know what my off days are or cannot find my trip schedule. Even though I never missed a trip it was always my worst nightmare.

[@genxer74]

I don't commute and have all those anxieties over being able to catch the non-rev flight I want/need.

[@theanonymouscat5062]

I have so much respect for you. You put your family first, which is more than most people in 2022 would do. I wish you the best of luck in the future. I would never stop flying. But then again, I’m single with no kids. So take that with a grain of salt. I do feel that if you stuck it out that things would’ve gotten more effortless for you and your family as you progressed. Especially, once you made it to the majors.

[@monaraemorquecho1362]

Been there, done that... it's the same circus, just a different tent. Kudos to you for making the break! Be that said, there are still awesome flying jobs - just not with commercial airlines.

[@SpodgeDanish]

@@monaraemorquecho1362 What kind of jobs are there besides flight instructing? I'm a student pilot and really nervous because I want to have a family one day.

[@flyingmusician5327]

#facts brother. I was with Republic Airways and had several family issues occur all at one time. It really tested my mental and physical capabilities with being a commuter pilot. Very stressful. Family to me is more important than any job. I decided to leave for almost the same reasons as you did. I have twins coming some time in December, boy and a girl.

[@genxer74]

Congratulations on the new additions! Blessing of health to all!

[@flyingmusician5327]

@@genxer74 thanks!🙂

[@Biden2024_]

What do you do now? I’m currently getting my commercial and hearing al of this is scary to me

[@flyingmusician5327]

@@Biden2024_ well I started flying for legacy airways after republic. I was flying a Saab 340B. I worked for them about 4 months or so and as I was packing my bags to go to full motion sim training.. I received a text message from our chief pilot saying wish you all the best and hopefully we can catch dinner or hang out in the near future. Basically company went out of business. I was so wore out from all the hustling and training. When I left republic I was getting married at the same time too along with other family issues with people passing away just to name and had so many other things i had to consider. Lots of life altering events all at once for sure. Having all of that stress was not good to say the least. I am working right now in my families business and I still do fly alot. I have a 1976 archer II that you see videos of on my channel. I do ferry flights from time to time as well.

[@rulenumerouno]

I went through the same struggle. Just couldn't take it anymore. Luckily for me, I found Allegiant, and can now still fly in the airlines, and be home mostly every night.... quite the game changer for me. Good job making the best decision for your family. Some people's ego wont let them make that choice, and they end up losing their family instead. Good luck

[@genxer74]

I left the corporate life for flying over the covid debacle. Having experienced the military and its deployments, the office life (with all of the BS that entails) and now flying part 121 (at a VERY similar airline :) ) I have seen a dramatic improvement in ME and my enjoyment of life. I am a better father and husband now after the switch back to flying. I was out of the seat for over 13 years before trying to go into 121 flying and did a lot of research and networking prior to. One cardinal rule I learned along the way was this; You NEVER want to live out of base and commute. I've even heard pilots say they'd work at the worst airline in the world if it was the only place they could fly and live in base. I know it was tough for the author here and empathize for him. I'm assuming he considered a company that is based in ATL and somehow that didn't work out for whatever reason. It's too bad b/c it sounds like this guy likes to fly. I am married to a woman that works part time (she stopped working after we had kids while I was in the military), my kids are all in school and I love the varied schedule every month. We all find it an adventure and it keeps things from being the "same ole". Man, I hated the drive to work and the same office crap all day everyday. I love doing 4 day trips so I don't have that drive to and from everyday. I DONT commute to another base... so far. I am lucky and the author is right, what a time to be a pilot! Tomorrow is my one year anniversary at my airline and I never had to commute to another base, only had reserve for two months, and I just bid 45% for November and think I might be at around 35% for December. We also just got a huge pay raise, so no more anxiety about getting to a mainline carrier just to make the budget work. Wow, I wrote too much here but if you're still reading hopefully you got something out of it. Hit me up if you want to ask more! good luck to all the up and coming pilots out there! Good video, but I wanted more about exactly what he switched to. I guess some ppl like the office life?

[@glhsakd07]

This was a good read. Lots of stuff that apply to me as I am making the decision to leave the military to join the airlines as well

[@roguy26]

This helps a ton! I’m in college right now working towards becoming a commercial pilot. I’ve always wondered what it’s like being a pilot and having a family, so this video answered a ton of my questions. Thanks!

[@vincentalakija5515]

Same here!

[@Markr1221]

Excellent story telling, video content, editing and on camera presentation!!! Keep it up!!! And be patient - you’re doing everything necessary to grow your numbers

[@richard4559]

My Respects for You. I work flying the ATR 600 and live 10 minutes from the airport. Haven't gone to the majors since "Quality" of life is very important for me. Did commute for a short while and I was "Miserable" literally. Being home most of the time is gold for me to spent time with a growing child and the Family.

[@WilliamPotts3]

Amen to that! You have the best of both worlds dude. So you didn’t compromise a thing.

[@Starfish2145]

The legacy pilots who flew in the 60s and 70s and 80s when their wives mostly stayed home had it the best.

[@Biden2024_]

Yessir the good old days!

[@hertzair1186]

He didn’t mention the pay cut he probably took when leaving the airline. Family time is the priority, but he may now have financial pressure at home. Virtually all high-paying jobs require long hours away from home. So a spouse unless he/she is dedicated to the relationship, will complain about either “you don’t make enough money” or “you are never home enough”….if you have a supportive spouse, aviation is the greatest career…I’ve been a pro pilot (done it all from CFI to Aviation Corp dept manager and now fly for the worlds largest fractional airline) for nearly 40 years…and still can’t imagine doing any other career.

[@MartinWenzelYT]

My goal is family time but quality time where I'm not being a pain worried about the bills.

[@pilotrieul]

Really opened my eyes especially in regards to commuting. Thank you for this great video.

[@TheJerseyAviator]

I used Infinity for my multi engine, commercial and multi engine instructor under part 61. My MEI at that time is now considered one of my best friends. Now I’m a CFI at MJX where I got all of my other ratings. Luckily, in my case, the difficulty scale is much lower transitioning to the 121/135 world. Glad you made the right choice for you and your family

[@NandanV]

Just came across your channel cuz I'm working on my instrument (and the algorithm is godly), and this was a really well edited video! Thanks for being honest, it helps offer another perspective to prospective pilots like myself!

[@zone2Ironman]

Nice video. As a retiring military guy with 4 kids I relate to your closing... :D I'm grateful that this is a time of hiring in the industry.

[@plaiskool64]

Thanks for the video man, it's good to hear the cons of the job as well to have the whole pannel of opinions.

[@amjadabugasisa950]

Your production quality is amazing and you seem very genuine and smart please keep up the same energy, it’s a pleasure to witness the channel grow

[@danielcardone8622]

"Have you considered, maybe you're stupid" 🤣 Bought spit my milk up.

[@DanPKing16]

Just being true man

[@dustyrhodes2717]

@@DanPKing16 Meh, pilots can be tools but your retort was just the same. LOL

[@scud-runner]

It’s all about what you love and want in life. I think you did great analysis and everything you said makes sense for you. I know life can suck Junior airline pilots but once you have seniority it gets way better.

[@TheodoreViollet]

Insanely informational video. I'm a flight student figuring out how I'm gonna balance work and family as an airline pilot. I needed to see a video like this.

[@pilot41186]

Go watch fly8ma video on why airline life sucks too these guys both are spot on

[@ReptileRaptureRR]

This is 💯 on point. I had to let my idea of being a pilot go once my 3 kids were diagnosed with ASD, while mild, it made it impossible, unless I wanted to abandon my family.

[@BaxterretxaB]

Currently in indoc for a regional. Please make more “pilot life tip videos” love the packing tips. I’d definitely watch more content especially tips on bidding or commuting or managing fitness while on the road.

[@FLAC2023]

My flight instructor, young guy also quit United this happened several years ago. He now flys mostly rich people around

[@ram-jt2ee]

Love this video. Seems super honest/realistic about both pros and cons of airlines

[@DanPKing16]

I try to be.

[@MaWash3112]

Another awesome video by Dan! Great content and production

[@DanPKing16]

Thanks man!

[@LuisLopez-uy3if]

Awesome. No one perfect route in this industry and who knows what’s in your future. Best of luck, keep it up!

[@DanPKing16]

Thanks man!

[@davidsine4390]

Yep, as a junior airline pilot, it's as if you're only reason for existing is to improve the lives of the more senior pilots. And just think, after upgrading, you get to basically begin that process all over again. Except after upgrading, you're advancement is typically far slower. A lot depends on timing, which is something you have no control over. Obviously if where you live isn't a base, it's a problem reguardless.

[@DanPKing16]

It’s a tough cycle for sure. If only you could get a predictable schedule and not commute. Of course, it would also be easier with a smaller family. Would you like to adopt my children?

[@frap9965]

@@DanPKing16 😂😂

[@flyingmusician5327]

@@DanPKing16 😂

[@Jetpusher]

Sounds better than the military

[@pilot41186]

It's called seniority not entitlement your new

[@FGCH03]

I really understand you, it requires to be brave to take that kind of decision. 👏🏼👏🏼

[@michaelangel9157]

Thanks brother for your wisdom 🙏

[@charlieclown9913]

Hats off to you for knowing what best for your family.

[@sirgalalot88]

Hahaha, I loved the cliche questions bit. Great video. Family is all you have at the end of the day. Just stumbled on your channel and you seem really relatable. Keep working on your channel! Looking forward to more content.

[@hectormoctezuma6121]

Kudos to you for quitting the airline world! I would recommend looking for a good Part 91 job, although they are typically hard to find, but with the current pilot situation, there are some out there. It allows you to have a somewhat normal life and still be in the air, without the hassles of commuting, going through TSA, making multiple legs in one day, etc. The equipment is great, hotels and meals are way better than in the 121 world, and you actually get to explore the destinations you fly to. I’ve been extremely lucky to not have to do the airline thing and build my career running the flight department for an outstanding company. Good luck to you!

[@FuzzFam]

Thanks for the video, really enjoyed that. That cliffhanger, lol. I think I’ll have to stick around and see what’s next. I retire from my first career as a police officer in about three years and I’m planning on the airlines for my next gig. It’s going to be an interesting journey.

[@DanPKing16]

I have two friends who are retired fire fighters and have made the transition into the airlines as a second career. Do it!

[@FuzzFam]

@@DanPKing16 Awesome. My neighbor is a captain at Skywest. He put me in touch with a FO he flew with the other day who’s a retired firefighter named Andy. Got to start that networking!

[@user-ez9vp7sh7b]

Your honesty and quality of video earned you a sub! Awesome stuff

[@brendasays2324]

I was a flight attendant for skywest too. I recently quit too, lol… Same reason, my daughter started school and home is where I needed to be.

[@philipgauthier3570]

So did I....23yrs and after being home for an extended period of time....shifted my perspective.....Agreed on SkyWest...did 2 tours there...Good adventures ahead for you...Cheers..

[@armyavi8tor]

I’m an AA guy commuting from ATL to MIA. I hate commuting, we’re moving closer to base in the next coming months just to have more schedule control. The nice thing is we can reserve our jumpseats a week ahead. But uncertainty like delays, cancellations and schedule cuts makes commuting a nightmare. I would recommend flexjet, Netjets for positive space to work. Less stress. I did acmi for almost a decade and it was nice having a ticket to and from work.

[@josephdale69]

True.

[@prancer1803]

Why doesn't the guy above do like ACMI that's home based? Sure you 'commute' but they pay for your ticket!

[@gringoloco8576]

Did you work corporate before AA?

[@armyavi8tor]

@@gringoloco8576 no did charter flying 737s for swift air.

[@macyl9960]

Great video. You answered so mamy of my questions. I appreciate it.

[@DanPKing16]

Glad I could help! Keep in mind, a lot has changed and I am back flying.

[@littleferhis]

I'm a CFI right now looking to work at Skywest. I would say I fit on the Level 1 or maybe 2 right now so I'm in a pretty good spot to enter. My plan is to live on base as quickly as I can, preferably next to a metro station to save money. Having commuted for my CFI job, and realizing how even a 1 hour commute can eat up your day, I want to avoid it as much as I can. Hopefully after a couple years I'll be able to move to a small town and do some Fixed wing Air Med flying where I can maybe spend some more time at home?

[@pdornfel]

im hooked. im in flight school right now and these videos are helpful for understanding what a life at the airlines might be like.

[@DuragVince-]

Which flight school do you attend? And seeing videos like this, does it change anything about your decision?

[@robt3233]

I always advise people to be a flight attendant first. It’s a grind. Being on the road, living in hotels, not seeing your family, working weekends and holidays, and exposing your body to high amounts of radiation and terrible sleep habits can be a nightmare. Don’t romanticize about fine for a week or a month. Year after year it takes a massive toll on someone. You have to be all in and prepared to live an alternative lifestyle to make it work. I would recommend any other line of work if you want a family

[@DuragVince-]

@@robt3233 Thank you, Rob. How will you be exposed to radiation?

[@braddallan]

Thanks for the insights to that job! I’ve just career changed into an entry level /scenic flight operator and considering future steps! Cheers from Australia

[@ryanchau8609]

Love the honestly and realistic feedback of yours, this will certainly help people get into airline industry knowing ahead of time the hardship they’ll face. I wonder if corporate or private jet pilot will have a better work life balance over non-senior pilots at an airline?

[@BubblyinUSA2010]

Good luck as a Stallon wherever that may be. And whoever you’re working for.😊

[@stevebelzer4758]

As a retired AA Captain with two (grown now ) kids with learning disabilities I say you nailed it and broke the job down beautifully in retrospect as a SINGLE military pilot and AA pilot o was in Hog Heaven The financial and logistical stressors of married and kids is THE cause of divorce , affairs alcoholism in the airline . All the single AA Captains are kinda weird but happy 3 rules of airlines “Don’t commute Don’t commute for. Commute

[@DanPKing16]

Love the comment on weird , single pilots

[@thatguy7085]

Yep… it is why I approached Delta to hookup with local colleges to teach Delta pilots locally, for local positions.

[@keithm7087]

My motto has always been family comes first. A job (and lets face it that's all that being a pilot is) can be replaced but missing time away from family can never be made up.

[@bizbuck1]

Agreed that’s why I quit Comair so many years ago just before they folded turned out to be the best decision of my life

[@steveduncan7684]

I Quit Comair 20 yrs ago because i was losing my family whole working for min wage flying a Jet

[@Zackbrooks737]

Pretty much my favorite KZbinr. Nice job.

[@GonzoT38]

This is so on point I'm saving it to my playlist. As a .mil pilot with now a working nurse spouse (mine is trauma unit staff nurse) and a 4th grader at home, this is why I stayed in the AF Reserves. Granted, airline flying was never my cup of tea (flying transport cat/heavies bored me to tears, glad to have jumped to fighter trainers, flying bombers almost made me quit flying professionally altogether), but the work schedules of my airline peers just became a non-starter. And we don't have family in the state where I'm stationed, so double whammy. It truly takes a village to raise a child, and two working parents without outside help just didn't cut it. Most of my airline peers are to a man, married to stay at home wives that are expected to keep the exigencies of the home front away from the FOV of the airline pilot husband. I find that a bit too june cleaver for our taste, but whatever to each their own if they're making that choice out of their own volition. My wife told me, to quote homey the clown from in living color: "homey don' play dat." Roger that, copy all, no stay at home de facto single motherhood scheme. So, we deal with my non-deployed training command schedules that are much more homestead friendly, and make lemonade. Being gone from the local area with her work impositions (back of the clock shifts with nobody to pick up the kid or be in the house overnight) was not gonna work. The other alternative would have been clinic work that's 9-5 for her, but she wanted to be in the hospital setting. As someone who was allowed to pursue his career goals, I'd be a raging hypocrite to tell her off the gate, no you don't get to pursue your career aspirations like I was allowed to. So I compromised my ability to go chase an F-16 around the Country for the allowance of still contributing to the fight in a training capacity, and supporting my family's domestic demands. I commend you for doing the same, it's an oft-derided position by the youtube sphere that demands only positive, choice-supportive biased presentation of occupational choices like airline work. Good luck and health to you and your family on the next chapter!

[@prancer1803]

Dude. Come work for the cargo carriers. People have no idea what the lifestyle is like and the compensation and lifestyle can be incredible. In my humble opinion... people talk about the regional airline life and they don't have much perspective about what else is out there.

[@blakeshedd5354]

I'm with you, man. I flew for Envoy for a very short time before I realized it wasn't for me. Nothing at all against the company. I was living in Austin, TX and flying out of LGA/JFK. Very little time at home with my wife and kids. For us, it wasn't the logistics of it. It was just the separation. Best of luck to you.

[@williambrown9481]

I started at Infinity(and MCCC) and got my Private cert there. Left after that and just recently restarted after a year and a half off the horse. And Cliffhangers a great classic movie 👏

[@waverider744]

Great video, I'm considering making the switch to part 121 as an new empty nester.

[@Micg51]

I currently work for your previous employer, and yeah...commuting is horrible. I thankfully live in one of their bases, and transferred to my home base next month. If i had a family, I don't know if I could do it either. It's hard to pass up their pay now, but I currently commute on a 3 hour flight from the midwest to west coast. I commute the night before to reserve every week, never get called, so I sit in the airport all day, and I spend over $1000 a month on hotels. If you don't live in an airline base and have no intention of moving, I can't really recommend becoming an airline pilot. It is so stressful, you are always thinking about going to work from the moment you get home.

[@DanPKing16]

It’s a long game business. If you can stick it out, it’s worth it. I just started older with a lot of kids and it made it harder.

[@parkernorthrup548]

Great video...Thanks..for those passionate about aviation and quality of life remember there is collegiate flight training! It can be a career choice.

[@RunzWithGunz7]

Thank you very much for making this video. I am 34 and currently in flight school (finishing up instrument) while making a career change. My wife works full-time as a nurse and we have two kids (1 and 3), and I work part-time at my current employer. We are planning to move closer to my parents for support, and have long decided that I will only look at regional airlines with local bases, which is about 3 at PHL. I am really hoping that this whole thing works out.

[@josephdale69]

Good luck.

[@DuragVince-]

Which flight school do you attend?

[@william0203usa2]

Proud of you for putting family first

[@sunmist4421]

Absolutely top video. Few people talk about the commuting. I think they consider it to be something of admitting failure, in that they never really looked into the commuting aspect. Being a professional pilot is a lifestyle, not just a job. It simply may not fit your home life; it's no ones fault, it's just how the industy is; not going to change any time soon! It's the same in any of the "romance" professions; acting is a good example. People may have a passion for it, but that doesn't mean a certain aspect of it is for you. There are other ways to fly. People go blind for the airlines, with visions of cool large airplanes, and jetting around the world, but never really look at the whole package. Know what you're getting into, it doesn't suit everyone, no shame in that. Keep the faith! Happy landings!

[@dondash8921]

Good video. I would agree with your graph. I am one who wanted to be a pilot when it cost less than $1,000 but I did not have that kind of money. I know flying is a passion as is obvious by you getting back into it. Good luck.

[@gcp4458]

I am 24 and entering the pilot workforce. I appreciate this on many levels. best wishes and thx for this video

[@dcxplant]

You will have a wonderful career. Stay off of web boards, stay away from negative people, understand the industry functions under a seniority system and is not a meritocracy. Currently the movement is epic and never before seen, and in ten years, will not exist anymore. you will move up quickly and this career, with planning (which is key) is absolutely family friendly. I personally know single parents that are raising wonderful kids because they have the means to get the support they need, which includes their bosses, union brothers and sisters, and of course a salary and benefits that are fantastic for raising kids. Nothing finer than being able to take your kid along to Paris, Zurich, Milan, Rome, etc. on your overnights. It's amazing! Do it right, and an airline career is a fine and joyous one.

[@gringoloco8576]

@@dcxplant where are you at that it is family friendly

[@deanunterreiner6588]

Good for you, quality of life is much more important than money. I left SkyWest after INDOC once I realized how bad commuting was going to be. At 55 it wasn't worth getting beat up for 10 years and then aging out. I wish would have come across your videos sooner.

[@jstottspooner]

Well made and spot on video. I was very curious how airline life was going to treat you. I managed to get regional life over with before I got married.

[@DanPKing16]

Regionals were tough for sure. I do think if I had started earlier (even two years earlier) it would have been much different

[@junenam145]

It is definitely a lifestyle for sure. Imagine how difficult it is for the flight attendants too, who face the same struggles, but with a looooot less pay. It becomes not worth it quickly. Seniority really is everything, and if you are at a point in your life where you can stick it out until you can build the seniority, this industry can become more rewarding. Thankfully, I started with my airline (as a flight attendant) at age 23, single with no kids, and now I am pursuing a pilot's license with a goal to move to the front of the plane. I will most likely end up on the bottom of the seniority list again when I do make that transition, but I will have a more realistic expectation of what those beginning years will be like. (Not gonna lie, I really struggled in the beginning, was really stressed out, sleep deprived, and had some unhealthy coping mechanisms that first year). I also do not intend to have children, which will make it so much easier than those who do have children. Thank you for sharing your perspective and experience. I think you made a great decision for yourself by choosing to spend quality time with your family! Also, the part where you mention the 'cliche' things pilots say about commuting LOL The flight attendant work group at my airline has such a tension between commuters and non-commuters too. The commuters are begging for a better commuting policy since positive space ended, but a lot of non-commuters are against that because they say that it is 'unfair' that the commuters get a benefit that non-commuters can't use. It's really such a selfish argument but there exists that schism... They say the same things: commuting is a choice, you should move to base if it's such a problem for you. Not considering any other obligations the commuting FA might have.. Kind of sad, really. I used to commute (LAX-MSP) but don't anymore, so I understand the struggle, and even if a better commuting policy won't benefit me, I can't imagine why I would want to deprive my colleagues of that.

[@normanhenderson9290]

Drove ships for a living when I was single... incredible life, awesome experiences I would not trade. Got married, had a child and the focus changed, almost overnight...

[@kelleraltidor4097]

Being a pilot is tough. This video motivating me working hard

[@brianhanchey8388]

I like your graph. Sums up why my commute is to a bedroom/office for now. Most regional pilot videos are all about how amazing it is which I’m sure is true when you’re at a 1-3 and 23. When you’re family life (for whatever reason) is already around 6-8 working from home, going to a regional would make your life an 11. :) Thanks for sharing.

[@genxer74]

I'm over 40, married with kids and just started at a regional 1 year ago tomorrow. I absolutely LOVE my job! So happy I left the corporate/office life.

[@brianhanchey8388]

@@genxer74 I'd love to hear your path prior to the regional. Congrats on making it work!

[@genxer74]

@@brianhanchey8388 thank you but it was a long path that I thought I would never want to take. I'm one of those people that didn't know what they wanted to be when they grew up until they were well over 45. If you really wanted to learn more, you can find me at gmail

[@eric.burgan]

Thanks for the video. I've appreciated your insights on IFG and now your honesty on what works for you and your family.

[@DanPKing16]

Thanks man! I try to keep it as real as I can

[@racingwithbigt]

Good video! Lots to think about!

[@RealRickCox]

My brother flew for Compass before graduating to Atlas in the 747. They're treating him very well and he's got a great schedule.

[@ragheadand420roll]

And he gets to fly with kelsey ✌🏻

[@WilliamPotts3]

I love flying for Atlas. Best job in the industry. And they pay for your commute and hotel.

[@dihedraldesign7978]

Great video. I (personally) don't know how anyone with a family, who values their time and those precious moments of life, could do the job easily. That being said I'm in my late 30s and absolutely loving my regional gig. You could always go back later in life when the kids are grown (if you want)! Best wishes

[@josephdale69]

You’re in your late 30s and love your regional gig?

[@DuragVince-]

What do you love about your regional gig when everyone else is has negative things to say?

[@genxer74]

@@DuragVince- do you even fly? Anyone complaining about the regionals and thinks getting to the mainline is going to magically fix everything doesn't have very good perspective. I love my regional flying job but will also leave it immediately for the mainline. All the regionals just raised their first year FO pay, so that helps immensely.

[@DuragVince-]

@@genxer74 I don’t fly. I’m doing research and asking questions because I’ve been considering ATP. I don’t want to invest a ton of time and money and end up hating it.

[@genxer74]

@@DuragVince- a lot of regionals are paying for the ATP course, assuming you're in the USA. Not sure what your resume looks like, but have you applied to any regionals yet? There are quite a few programs popping up for those that still need a lot of hours. United's Aviate, etc.

[@CLdriver1960]

I hear you, I was a commuter as well.

[@nathanielcarter3950]

Commuting is un-fun. I have only had to commute 4 month out of 4 years which is why I think I still love the airline pilot thing.

[@DanPKing16]

I agree man!

[@MrDbrault]

Your 4 minute commute to work hit me hard! I live in a little town next to the bike trail and dream about riding my bike to work. I used to commute Florida to EWR. I actually got used to the anxiety that you talk about. Basically, it just got to the point that if I didn't make then F it. I literally stopped caring if I made it to work or not. Thanks for the video. It's very relevant to the current pilot shortage really.

[@rogerbonilla9958]

I agree, I find Sky West to be a great Airlines with pilots who are very professional and great at what they do.

[@PocketsAutoList]

Love the video! Keep up the good work

[@DanPKing16]

Tha is man! Hope you’re well!

[@daxflame163]

That was fun to watch actually. Subscribed.

[@JohnDoe50207]

I quit the airlines for this reason and was a 4 year degree guy, got a job recruiting for tech work from home making 130K in the Louisville KY and 2 years later moved up to 220K a year working from home. Then started missing flying so got a contract pilot job flying the falcon on the weekends best of both worlds!!!!

[@WoomSlayer]

What degree do you have?

[@Hansolo4427]

Well done in doing what you think is right. Been flying for 22 years, CPT with well known European airline, can’t wait to leave. Sick and tired of long days, no week ends, missing life by being at work. It’s not worth it folks, if you want to keep the wife and be a present parent and stay healthy. Yes flying is fun, but flying an airliner is pretty boring apart from the nice views and the occasional nice trip but you’re always there with strangers, never with the ones you love. You never know who you’re flying with, what time you’re going to be home, what terms and conditions are going to be slashed next…I wouldn’t touch aviation with a barge pole these days, my kids know the toll it takes.

[@pilot41186]

Man we are in the same boat. 16 years captain with a legacy and I'm so tired of being a visitor to my family. Tired of the schedule fight to get things off or always bidding every month. Tired of lack of eating at normal meal times while the passengers do and wr don't matter. But getting chewed on for saying it'll be delayed so I can get a meal that day.

[@peteypete8180]

The loneliness is the worst The glamour passengers see from the outside..the depression in the airline industry is the unspoken skeleton in all our HOTEL rooms

[@airindiana]

Reasonable chance we might be in the same outfit as not many euro majors, I’m LH with a euro major and during covid made the decision I need to leave. I’m still here. I don’t know what happened with me but for me it’s the stress I’ve come to recognise. It all became worse joining this outfit I’m at, just something about the place. Coming up to checks I find my life shrinks down for 2 months prior to focus on the check/medical/line check (insert endless rostrum of events that happen every few months). I never failed one and always did pretty decently. I used to be fine with them but a switch flipped. It’s about half a year I worked out dominated by it in my mind. Also the struggle of missed weekends and never knowing who you flying with, what they’re like etc, endless changes to procedures etc. I’ve done the usual, spoken to therapists, read aviation Union help material. I think it’s not a me problem just a predictable problem when you place a human in a high pressure, stress environment for decades. It’s a roll of the dice. Some do lucky and make it through, others the brain uses up what it has I think I’ve done one sim too many, had one redundancy too many and after 20 years the brain goes “enough of this”. I think it’s dangerous to constantly override the brains defences mechanism with things like strategies. That’s a modern approach to patch over a faulty existence and system modern humans have created. I need to get out as I realise I’m deeply unhappy inside with the status quo and mid forties am struggling on an exit but I find it very hard as mentally this job is sucking me down so I can’t focus outside very well on creativity etc I need to escape to what I want to change to. For some pilots their reward bucket is worth it, I’ve been in flying for 20 years and chatting to a rele they said look at what it’s given you..not much. It’s taken a lot though. I’m glad I did it but I’m not glad to keep doing it given the effect on my wellbeing in life.

[@bennykim6573]

I used to commute coast to coast for 13 years. Now I commute to work is less than 1 minute. Becuz I do telework (from my bed to the computer.) It's still aviation job I love.

[@SeaHusker54]

This is the first video I’ve watched on your channel and I’m instantly liked and subscribed 4 minutes in! I only have a Single Engine PPL, but work in the Aviation Industry as a Simulator Technician. All these reasons and more are why I don’t just go to a school like ATP and finish up my ratings. I’m somewhat newly married and want to start a family soon. On top of going into debt to even get my ratings, the airline industry lifestyle isn’t for me. Being home almost every night is a must for me.

[@dallasC822]

This is great insight as a guy who want to go to the airlines

[@amjadabugasisa950]

Lovely video I wish you the best of luck, and I should say I enjoyed the music and it didn’t bother me.

[@wojciechgrodnicki6302]

I like the road bike. Very nice.

[@WhatsupSan]

Great video shots and narration!

[@phan5302]

Love the transition

[@nolaneads2826]

A class act, this is high quality

[@jonathanparkhurst9141]

Keep Climbing, baby!!!

[@ChoobeeVlogs]

You just popped up on my feed so congrats on a viral video !! New FA subbie here !! I thought Regional is paying the big bucks right now though ? Like 400.00 per flight hour so I’ve heard ? Lol ok lemme finish watching the video

[@13htorrespr]

Very good video, you stated facts and how they affected your situation which is very important to note. I have been flying since 2017 and finally meet ATP minimum requirements. I want to fly for the airlines, it has been my dream since I was 5 but life happened and I was not able to learn to fly until I was 40! I am 48, married for 25, 2 kids ages 17 & 22 and my wife works PT...so my situation is a bit different but still about a 3-5 using your scale but only because my kids are older, both drive, etc. so it'd be "easier" for me to be away for 3-4 days. Additionally, my wife is onboard and that is truly the key point in my particular situation why? because as I like to say, she has veto power and has been supportive of my from day 1! She's truly a gem. I know it's not all fun and games, commuting will take a toll, but I actually enjoy traveling as much as anyone...so my mindset, which can change once I am actually commuting, I'm on a regular trip going somewhere then I get to fly...I know that may sound a bit "naive" but all I can say is I need to see it for myself and perhaps my opinion will change drastically or it may not at all...won't know until I try it. I am fortunate that I live in San Diego and SkyWest is one of my top (if not the top) choices and they have a SAN base....sure, it'll take a bit to get to it but if I have to commute to SFO or SLC, plenty of flights and I know many SW pilots that do commute and they say they get a seat 99% due to the number of flights...sure, occasionally they have to spend a night when the get back too late or start early but it's not the norm and flights are under 1:30...again, perhaps a bit "naive" but this is based on the experience of actual SkyWest pilots. So, obviously every person's situation is unique and there are many factors affecting the decision to fly for the airlines...so a good realistic assessment is necessary to make the best possible choice. Thanks so much for sharing, it does not change my mind in terms of my goals, but you make a lot of really good points and I have considered most if not all and it seems that it is still the right choice for me...I just hope that when I do go, I will not be incredibly disappointed and my "job" becomes a JOB...which is why I am leaving the IT industry after 21 years. Best of luck to everyone and safe and happy flying!!!!!!!!!!

[@i.r.wayright1457]

I worked for an FBO and got to know quite a few corporate pilots. You would think they would be super happy to fly a small jet around. Nope. I asked some of them why they considered quitting. "Well we spend our lives waiting around in airport lounges, and we fly these top executives who are sometimes very demanding." I assumed some of the execs had just gotten chewed out by corporate H.Q. and just had to take it out on some underlings, IDK. So they eventually quit flying and one took a job selling cars. He told me was now home every night and made way more money than he ever did flying. One time there was a 777 F.O. and a Captain for a regional who was flying a EMB 190 in my hangar. You should have heard them complain. Apparently, the only way to be happy in the air is to own your own plane and fly it where and when you want to. But, you will probably need a crying towel when you get your bill for the annual. Such is life, eh?

[@pkizzle65]

Feel the pain. I'm been commuting forever!!! At least you were making a decent check. Cause when I was doing it, I could barely afford 2 of those bikes in your garage. The regionals are paying SOOOOO much more than I ever got.

[@DanPKing16]

I was a successful Army Captain when I bought those bikes

[@brianhouts]

I 100% agree with you, with a family of four: Commuting is a no go any more.. The stress that comes along with it is insane. I traded a commute for a 2 hour drive and my degree of difficulty has decreased 3 or 4 because of it. wouldn't have it any other way. see you in the terminal.

[@fly20yoc]

Thanks for sharing your story, My situation is a little similar ,I’m married + 4 kids , I made it to CFI, 500+ hrs , I don’t see myself continuing, as you say, too many tears , Not easy. May you have lots of success in your new job. Are you planning to fly again?

[@73av8r5]

Great video. I’ve been an airline pilot for 25 years….through 9/11 and other downturns. Hasn’t been easy with a working spouse but we only had one child which made it easier.

[@DuragVince-]

Would you still recommend this career nowadays also seeing the price of flight school and all?

[@73av8r5]

@@DuragVince- I would. The regionals offer all kinds of bonuses to help you pay off your loans and the pay is much higher than a few years ago. Best of luck.

[@ChrisVogtmann]

I am headed to class for SkyWest in January! But I’m hoping to get DTW as my base and it seems very likely I’ll get that! I’m excited to start!

[@DanPKing16]

Excited for you man!

[@joeyleagjeld]

When Skywest came to UND last month, they said that almost all of their pilots are getting the bases they want in a year or less. Joining the Skywest Cadet program also helps with this

[@seemore7327]

@@joeyleagjeld I did the same as well, SkyWest Cadet program! I’ll be at SkyWest in summer of ‘24! Best of luck to you at INDOC!!👍👍