I really wanted to love HDzero

My Experience with the HDzero FPV video system after a year
Credit to ‪@DanoFPV‬ for trying to magnet fish my drone and ‪@johhngoblin‬ for giving me the AOS5LR
Merch deathquads.com
Patreon: / grimripper
Instagram: / grimripperrr
Discord: / discord
10% off at WREKD wrekd.com/DEADCELL
I get music from Epidemic Sound, here's a referral link: www.epidemicsound.com/referra...

[@grimripperrr]

Remember my toys are better than your toys and I take it very seriously

[@JoshuaBardwell]

Love the way you presented this info. Entertaining. Engaging. To the point.

[@xjet]

Distance doesn't actually add any perceptable latency. RF travels at 1 foot per nanosecond. That means if you're a mile away (5,280 feet), the latency will increase by 0.0058 milliseconds. Given that the baseline latency of even the best FPV system is around 10mS, that 0.0058mS really won't change a thing. If you plan to fly a drone on Mars however, then you'd notice the latency -- but then you'd have a range problem 🙂

[@grimripperrr]

With DJI I’ve noticed a difference in latency at longer distances, but the latency on DJI is already noticeable to me after flying HDZero so I might just be over thinking it. According to Hdzero “HDZero’s link latency is also fixed - regardless of signal reception. The latency increases about 3µs/km as distance between the transmitter and receiver increases” which is negligible for sure but it does increase.

[@xjet]

@@grimripperrr DJI's latency normally increases at distance because more data packets are lost below the noise-floor. When a packet is lost it gets resent which spikes the latency. So long as you have a clean RF signal, the distance itself won't affect latency perceptabilty with DJI.

[@jaagup]

@@grimripperrr as xjet already has written, the DJI and Walksnail goggles also transmit to VTX. And if signal is dodgy, then same packets get retransmitted if goggles to not receive them, increasing the latency. With analog and HDZero the goggles only listen, and the latency from speed of light is negligible.

[@edrone_]

I love that there are multiple options for all kinds of different people. I prefer a consistent feel for my video feed versus lag and studder. I feel the image quality of HDZero is sufficient for me but the penetration could use some improvements. Great video!

[@grimripperrr]

If I had to guess HDZero is probably working on penetration issues with their new revisions, because they know they need to compete with DJI. If not I’ll still fly hdzero

[@KainniaK]

Why does everybody always says penetration instead of bounciness? Like 5.8 Ghz signal does not penetrate a bridge. What it does do is bounce back and forth till some of it make it to your goggles. and if you fly digital all the packets that arrive out of order can be put in order again. That's why digital has better "penetration" but it's not penetration AT all.

[@grimripperrr]

@@KainniaK because saying penetration is easier than writing a whole paragraph explaining how radio waves work

[@KainniaK]

@@grimripperrr What's wrong with bounciness? That immediately gives you a hint that concrete is better for your signal then leaves. Everybody knows stuff bounces of concrete better then of tree leaves.

[@grimripperrr]

@@KainniaK Sure technically it’s not actually penetrating but it’s more colloquial than it is literal. It’s more about linguistics than it is about anything else. When we say “penetration” we know that there is video even though there are objects between us and our quads, and that’s all that matters. I don’t really care about why there’s video.

[@TriangleHarder]

Comparing them is like comparing apples to oranges. Youll be happier when you stop trying to find whats objectively the best (because there isnt one) and you start finding whats best for you.

[@grimripperrr]

Oranges are better

[@JustKeepLivingFPV]

whatever a cutey is way better​@@grimripperrr

[@DanoFPV]

RIP my drone saver pole on this rescue attempt. It was worth a shot.

[@mfrfpv9079]

noooo

[@grimripperrr]

It might still be there

[@Kmart_FPV]

I agree with all of this. The one point I would add is that the latency of DJI is not bad - totally flyable, just as the range and penetration of HD0 is not bad - totally flyable. Just because one out-performs the other doesn't mean that either system is deficient in either area. Personally, I fly better with HDZero and that trumps (ugh we have to find another word for that) everything else. Great video bro

[@mwhizzler476]

This is exactly how I feel and I have had the same experience

[@DigitalCruzer]

I will literally throw up and have, far too much variable latency, totally unflyable for me, but i get motion sickness, but i can fly walksnail all day just fine since one of the updates last summer, can't fly the older firmwares with it though... A lot of people bitch about walksnail but thats cuz they only tried it in its infancy, dollars also think walksnail sends out a lot of defects which turns people off, i buy from places i can just return it for another, but they function pretty darn close to dji, but has far more advantages that makes it superior... Also a lot of guys have only tried analog through their DJI goggles and don't realize that the DJI goggles adds a lot more latency so they have no clue what low latency is! Hdzero and analog does feel better flying, thats undeniable

[@KainniaK]

I love low latency. I love seeing where I am about to fly even more. That's why I am probably gonna fly DJI for the immediate future. Except for the cheap stuff that I don't care about if it crashes. Then DJI is waaaaaay to expensive. And there is only analog.

[@cptncannoli]

I can’t imagine there’s anyone out there that’s been through more hdzero goggle time than me. Subsequently, I’ve been through just as many vtx. They need to be more durable. I’m sitting looking at 4 different model vtxs with all broken ufl and it’s not from a crash or anything. They also don’t release any hardware revision notes so it’s a crap shoot what whoop life vtx you get. I still think HDz is the best for me and what/how I fly, but I would really like to see some changes in durability as well as onboard gyro flow and dvr.

[@grimripperrr]

Yeah I think I forgot to include the part of durability into the video, because the UFLs always break on my whoop lites. but I’ve had a lot of luck with their V2 freestyle vtx.

[@808TRK]

Im tip toeing into hdz and I already hate it, everything breaks instantly, the software is absolutely atrocious, the dvd footage is super meh, and .10 lower latency does nothing for me, ive flown analog and dii from day one and never had a problem with high latency or help from lower latency.

@@grimripperrr Im glad for you, my ufl connector on my freestyle v2 came off after no more than 4 packs. Whats weird is that I didn't hear anybody talking about durability before I got my goggles, but now that I have them, I read it alot more often...

[@hiphur]

I use glue around the ufl connectors to secure them. Haven't broke a single one after that. Just need to apply the glue super carefully around, but not on the connector. :) but yeah, they should be built better.

[@cptncannoli]

@@hiphur I also use e6000 and a relief zip tie on all mine. Still break. At least I’ve probably broken more than 10

[@RanHam]

DJI and hdzero pilot here. I enjoy hdzero when flying with friends or a chill fly spot. Vistas for bando bashing

[@chrisbee5481]

Boght the DJI V2 goggles when they came out to start with. Still have them running with vistas, O3 and analog adapter. If I now start thinking hdzero or walksnail, then it will just cost me a thousand bucks for Googles and 2 vtx to start with. No need to switch video system.

[@okchx]

Analog for life

[@DigitalCruzer]

Yeah, me too do to the durability and price, but i do very much enjoy flying my Walksnail too! Basically if im bashing or just practicing i do analog, but i really like WS to explore new places, plus with moonlight i can shave a ton of weight and still get pretty good footage, but i got like 50+ kwads cuz i love to build, evry spare penny goes to my next, so most are analog i only have 5 with WS...

[@PineyJustice]

The biggest problem with DJI is the compression. The latency is annoying but can deal with it, but compression will blur the grass into a smooth green wall when going fast enough creating the same effect as flying over smooth water where you cannot tell how high you are accurately. It will blur out small twigs and branches when diving through trees, it erases power lines I can see perfectly in HDZERO and see well enough in analog, but with DJI they are just gone. DJI is cool for exploring around, but not great for sending it hard.

[@babang_des]

well said brother. Respect the limit of your gears.

[@BREAD_FPV]

Agreed. I made my video on HDZero about how much I didn't like it, but kept using it for a while after. I switched back to analog a few months later because of the reasons you mentioned.

[@tbounds4812]

i've never used HDzero but it always seemed kind of garbage to me

[@KOrnhOliO1]

@@tbounds4812 AGREED!

[@slinkyfpv]

The loss is more of a confidence problem. Back in the day when we had terrible cameras, vtx, and antennas, you'd lose video all the time. You just have to keep calm, maintain stick positions for a second, then pull slightly back to slow down, then throttle a little bit up. With practice, a descent pilot could stop the drone and even reverse direction if need be. You just need to do more confidence building scenarios - in a place that's a bit less high stakes. Get that under your belt, and stuff like this won't happen...as much.😏

[@KainniaK]

Since every quad needs a flight controller to be able to fly, can't you program all of that in and activate it with a toggle or your controller?

[@slinkyfpv]

@@KainniaK You could, but that's a lot of variables that need to be considered when setting that up. Speed, attack angle, altitude, throttle position... A GPS could help, but without optical flow sensors, it's not much use. Both are rarely found on freestyle drones. Beside, hitting RTH while under a bridge is just as bad as disarming in this case.

[@KainniaK]

@@slinkyfpv Yeah, and it would not perform better then a good pilot flying blindly based on his last known position hoping for the best. I guess the most important thing for any fpv pilot is a bail out plan back in to signal in case shit goes wrong.

[@joeldurham1764]

I lose video on my favourite dive gap every time but I know if I hold the sticks it’ll come back when I’m at the bottom throttling out, makes it more exciting & challenging

[@SpeedLimitChallenger]

grim, this was a super helpful video.. as someone who flies only analog.. this video gave me alot to think about when I upgrade.

[@KOrnhOliO1]

HDZero (analog2) really, truly is analog, only slightly sharper. To spend $600 on the goggles and then $100 on 4 antennas, and $20 on a battery for the goggles, just to get a slightly sharper image, is RIDICULOUS! way, Way, WAY too much money for what you get in improvements. Is HDZero better in any other facet of flying?...NO, it's actually worse! When the Rainbow Screen of Death occurs, as you saw in this video when he goes under the bridge, it happens fast! With analog, it happens slow and you can choose to go through it and punch out and hope it returns quick, like it usually does. But, with HDZero, it doesn't return quick and you lose your $500+ or whatever drone!!! When you get so little improvement over plain ole analog, HDZero, when considering how much it costs to upgrade to the system, has to be THE WORST VALUE IN ALL OF FPV! Think about it!!!..............What else do you spend so much on, well over $700, just for the goggles, and get so little in actual improvements over analog? NOTHING! You can spend $349 for the DJI Integra goggles, get antennas and a battery included, and have image quality that is sooooo far and above what HDZero ever dreamed of, and be able to fly places you never imagined flying with analog or HDZero, for about H A L F the cost of HDZero's goggles. HALF! For so many improvements in performance over analog it'll blow your friggin' mind! PLUS, add to that what I read HERE in the comments from actual users of HDZero - THE VTX's burn out way too often and are expensive to keep replacing over and over and over again! Believe me, you will have to buy VTX's like mad! I know a long time reviewer of FPV - OVER 10 YEARS - Who said in his video, that he had to stop flying HDZero because he'd replaced soooooo many VTX's that he could keep spending money to replace them when they burnout out or failed so craZy often! FACT. All that money, a little sharper image, but terrible reliability and durability?? WHY DO PEOPLE BUY IT?!!! The value for your dollars spent is HORRIBLE! So much for so little. DJI cost's HALF as much and rarely, if ever, fails! Many, including myself, have never had a single failure of ANY of the DJI FPV system products! NEVER! And, when you upgrade from analog, don't you want to REALLY UPGRADE image quality, where you can now fly, how clear the image stays even when flying into or around buildings, into huge tree canopies and out the other side (most of you have never even tried doing this because....well, you can't!, but with DJI that's easy! HDZero isn't really and upgrade - it's just a lot of money spent to get a slightly sharper image but the same ole snow is still there and occurs at about 30 meters, and when flying around even a few trees you get a bunch of snow and more trees or bushes and Rainbos screen of death occurs - AND YER DONE!

[@greedfox7842]

the rainbow fog of HDzero causes me to have seizures.

[@grimripperrr]

The latency of DJI gives me vertigo

[@greedfox7842]

@@grimripperrr analog is still the best because it makes it the easiest to share your flight and ride along with others. it really upset me that so many people at rampage were on DJI, I could only "ride along" with analog and the people with walksnail that enabled share mode.

[@HyperFPV]

​@@grimripperrr you are the only other person I've heard say this. I have the same issue. I always end up with a headache after flying DJI.

[@michaelwilson3946]

​@grimripperrr I have the same issue, but it's not as bad with the goggles 2. I think the lcd screen is part of the problem. Hdzero is my goto for close proxy flying, and walksnail is a happy medium for everything else. My eyes still need to adjust with walksnail, but not as bad as with dji. I'm a frame designer so I have to try everything lol.

[@SAFEZONEFPV]

I personaly love the clarity and penetration of analog as well as the insane long range you get from FRSKY

[@fpvvegan]

Such a good vide! love the switching locations when talking

[@RuderalisFPV]

Hdzero on ultra fcfc is so crisp and snappy

[@TheCivildecay]

I switched from HDzero to O3 and couldn't be more happy

[@GenevaConventionViolator]

The latancy issue is very overstated

[@TheCivildecay]

@@GenevaConventionViolator true. I feel much more confident flying with dji than with hdzero suddenly going RAINBOW SCREEN within a second

[@tbounds4812]

@@GenevaConventionViolator i can imagine the latency would be a problem if you are high level racer i like to race around my house and do a bit of freestyle fairly casually and its not an issue fo me although i do notice it very slightly

[@GenevaConventionViolator]

@@tbounds4812 You can always do the low latency setting

[@DigitalCruzer]

You could be if you got Walksnail!

[@gelatofpv]

great vidya!

[@shaleempeggins6894]

yeah these transitions are crazy.... Props!!! Great editing

[@stevejhkhfda]

analogue on one of these 2 watt transmitters can do good penetration and with the right goggles, low latency.

[@estebanriosrodenas]

Recently, KZbin's algorithm showed me your videos and I love them. I love your sense of humor 🤣

[@gelatofpv]

I GOT CONTROL BACK

[@joeldurham1764]

No you didn’t, every day you’re losing RSI

[@gelatofpv]

@@joeldurham1764 it because im going farther!!.. to be with izzy boop!!

[@TheReaperGrim63336]

You helped there dude . I couldn’t hack that screen on hdzero. Under bridge was enough , condolences

[@canigetachannel]

Damn that place is flat, you can watch your dog run away for a month! Thanks Grim. 👍✌️

[@pspicer777]

I do long, slow, detailed inspections. Not so much into the swoopy loopy stuff. The Avata 2 is a good compromise... good flight time, good range, good video quality ( gotta see those power lines, etc). I'm not sure about the latency, though it has not been a problem so far.

[@tofemaster]

its only gonna get better

[@tbounds4812]

yeah man i can't wait to witness the technology 20 years from now

[@MyKidFPV]

Shouldn't dismiss Walksnail. It's consistently rated higher than HDZero in video quality, penetration and range. Latency is lower than DJI but higher than the posted HDZero. Not hating on HDZero just stating facts and first hand experience.

[@ZKingFPV]

I agree I ditched DJI piked up the hdzero goggels and I run walksnail vrx on them for my freestyle quads. Doing it this way you can have good performance in all 4 categories he listed with 1 set of goggels. Also cheaper for micros.

[@jefft7308]

sorry for your loss. curious how the 03 would do around the silo and under the bridge.

[@Krash_fpv]

I'm flying analog on my freestyle quads....thinking of switching walksnail for my fancy image drone.. I have dji on it now and have alot of issues w it....hdzero seems like alot of money for essentially good analog(but it's figital) I like how the analog module use both antennas and stack images over eachother....and of course latency. But if I'm flying in tight spots with alot of needed pemetration I prefer the better image so I don't clip vines i cant see....I don't know anyone w hdzero so I don't get to try it....I bet I would love it for latency and 90fps camera

[@SKU_FPV]

Since HDZero is an open-source platform, it would be great to have two options in the settings. One being a low latency mode (current state), and another one with additional latency but with better range and penetration. That would make it the perfect system for me.

[@_bdub_]

I like this style- recording in multiple locations/days, your wardrobe changes, just spices it up. Subd for more

[@liurootFPV]

Dano doing magnet fishing was a cool easter egg. Great video as always dude.

[@ThomasAndersonFPV]

All said and done, I think you give a good perspective for both ''sides'' to latency or to penetrate. I might eventually try out some low-latency KISS build. But I see my DJI BF setup merely as training equipment and commercial equipment. But like I said I might be hunkering less latency someday, or DJI comes out with a low latency system knocking your 3 or 4 :P factors.

[@grimripperrr]

I could be wrong but I think DJI doesn’t have the breakup because they are trading it for latency, so i think basically with DJI it waits for the video signal before it displays it which is why it has a slightly higher latency, versus hdzero which just displays what it has and what you see is what you get. That’s obviously a super simplified explanation of what’s happening Also dji bounces the signal off of things better so that causes an increase in latency, but it’s milliseconds. So the only way DJI can reduce latency would be to sacrifice the “penetration”

[@ThomasAndersonFPV]

​@@grimripperrrThe reflection technology does not add much to the latency, but merely the quality drags down the latency. If they wanted, they could sacrifice mbit for reduced latency. Like there is already a low latency setting with the og/vista on 25 mbit, they could if they wanted crank that full open :)

[@hiphur]

I agree, love hdzero, would not trade the low latency to anything :) If hdzero did not exist, I would be flying analog. Sorry for your lost quad.

[@TimsDrones]

Specles. Dots. Dancing pixels. Sparkles. Call em what you will - I hate seeing em - hurts the eyes, and grates on the mind. I switched to DJI as soon as it came out. I've tried the others - but hey - it's called FPV, not FPL (First Person Latency). It's the vastly better view. Not the few milliseconds of better latency.

[@TorontoFPV]

I fly everything cept walksnail and Analog is warmest in my heart for how cheap and reliable it is and it feels amazing. O3 is something else too. Hdzero cause ots nice to see during races. But if all i had was o3 and analog it be good enough. I def feel the latency. I am sensitive to it even 500hz vs crossfire was huge for me

[@Latchfpv]

Only system I haven't messed with is DJI (mostly because I detest walled gardens) but I stared with Analog, tried Walksnail and HDZero and HDZero is all I fly. I avoid places I get breakup or at least know that it's coming and plan my path so I can hopefully have an easy out, however being fully locked in is something I notice a ton and it matters for me. I need to be able to react asap for the way I am and latency always ends up with me getting boned. I noticed someone mentioned that radio latency is minimal, and that's true, however video latency is not and that matters even more because it's how you get visual feedback, doi.

[@Mk1DzL]

Get the right tool for the right job but HDzero is the swiss army knife.

[@peter360adventures9]

True. Have to respect the limits of the system.

[@mappleman26]

Your point of view seems very reasonable ....great info..... especially since im looking into my first pair of goggles

[@wilsonhead2980]

HdZero: it's for racing

[@LordWolfFPV]

I would say there's a #5 and that's affordability. Also, as far as latency is concerned, i feel like it's only an issue in freestyle and racing. As a person that prefers DJI, I'll stick with them until anyone else can even give them a run for their money. Spoiler alert, no one will.

[@spacemole]

I have no place to tell you what to make, but i will say i enjoyed the vibe here and was aware of it during the video. Bit less doomer, more just stuff you love. Enjoyed on my 4am walk to the bus, Thanks.

[@dadpoolfpv]

It took me a while to get used to the difference between the 03 and wasp to the nano3 and micro v3. Id mich rather fly hdzero, having both systems i agree with you. I agree that more penetration would be a huge plus. Thanks for the video, brotha

[@TheFlyingChad]

HDZ FTW!

[@thomascook-ii6qo]

i love my walksnail goggles. i fly them 95%of the time.i own o3 with v2s,the fatshark dom with v2avitar pro VTX,and i own skyzone o4x.but out of all the walksnail is my favorite for flying arouNd doing freestyle close. i fly the o3 if im going out a tad faRTHER

[@rohansully584]

I notice significant latency with my analog system in low light levels. I attribute this lag to the camera processing with little light. Not sure the exact reasons behind it.

[@CaptainKazi]

I respect the unicorn vomit. The fans in those goggles are really nice though... I could barely see out my foggy G2's when I was flying in Humid South Carolina last week at Rampage.

[@grimripperrr]

The fans are super loud and I’d love it if there was a way to make them quieter but it’s not a big deal.

[@austinspired]

I just let my lenses bake in the sun, so then you become accustomed to it and don't notice the fogging.

[@CaptainKazi]

@@austinspired makes sense..

[@spartan3299]

Your 03 7in. uses BF or INAV?

[@grimripperrr]

It’s betaflight.

[@slappomatthew]

Imo walksnail is the best balance, the most options and not dji

[@grimripperrr]

This is why I would advise people to get HDZ goggles so they can also use walksnail.

[@P.G._FPV]

@@grimripperrr I had Walksnail on my HDZ Goggles and the lag and stutter and ground smearing was absolute garbage... totally unflyable behind my house.

[@andyhoughtaling6319]

I personally see no drawbacks from DJI. With the 03 air unit, I can go 4+ floors up in a solid concrete parking garage, I can go over 10 miles away with line of sight, and I can run a 40 degree camera angle at nearly full throttle without being affected by latency, it's light enough to put on a 2" drone, 1080 live feed, can record in 4k, has gyro data, and has 10 bit color. There's literally nothing more I want from a video unit.

[@mwhizzler476]

@@andyhoughtaling6319what 2” drone are you flying with 03?

[@DigitalCruzer]

​@@andyhoughtaling6319 draw backs are massive... dji doesn't make any that flys good on micros or 1s micros at all... my custom Walksnail 2s 85mm whoop will fly circles around a o3 pavi pico for 8+ minutes... 4+ of those minutes the o3 was laying on the ground dead

[@spidersugar_fpv]

what drone

[@grimripperrr]

one of them is an Apex EVO with 7inch arms in the deadcat configuration. The flight controller is a RUSH, and the motors are amax 2806-1300kv it has a DJI O3 video transmitter and a betafpv diversity receiver. The other drone was built by John goblin which is an AOS5LR in the deadcat configuration with FPV cycle motors, a 20x20 mamba stack and a V1 hdzero freestyle vtx.

[@spidersugar_fpv]

@@grimripperrr how much?

[@redprodigy35]

As someone who is on the verge of deciding between HD Zero and the rest of the digital offerings -- this video was helpful and informative. 🤘 Wish DJI😂

[@Lowbattery_fpv]

Hey... i love hdzero feeling. I think is the best in fpv, no dubts. Penetration? The worst unfortunately... I sold all my walksnail gears because i feel like to pilot an excavator. Dji is the better and most used option for concrete bandos from freestyle pilots now . Conclusion : i hate latency, i fly mostly analog and keep hdzero for open field and just enjoy his unbeatable feeling.

[@PsychonautFPV]

the Ripper is back😎

[@grimripperrr]

I never left!

[@PsychonautFPV]

8 very long days 🥹 🤣😇

[@webreakforsquirrel4201]

You could have activated turtle mode.

[@CheeseFlingingCows]

Ive been unknowingly blasting my own video feed by having dynamic radio tx set up to 1w, lowered it down to 100mw and i get the same range and penetration with better video!

[@grimripperrr]

Yeah I think 100mw gets you plenty of range

[@kevinthealienfpv]

Nice video. HDZ is definitely the system for me. Small correction though, the latency with HDZ will NEVER increase. You either get the info with the time window (3ms for hdz) or it's gone forever, hence the worse than average breakup. We can assume the camera and deinterlacing attribute some amount of latency to the system, but even if that only leaves 0.5ms for the video to travel at light speed, that's still a theoretical max of 150km.

[@grimripperrr]

According to HDZero’s website "HDZero’s link latency is also fixed - regardless of signal reception. The latency increases about 3µs/km as distance between the transmitter and receiver increases."

[@kevinthealienfpv]

@@grimripperrr *surprised Pikachu face*

[@northerntierfpv8947]

Nice bike! LOL

[@grimripperrr]

The green one is an ALL CITY Spacehorse Tiagra. It’s a nice touring bike, I don’t ride it a lot though. I use it in this video though kzbin.info/www/bejne/p4LLY62mZ6-UndUsi=ytDXDrtQPsvMD4LF

[@mfrfpv9079]

what happened to the scuba divers?

[@grimripperrr]

Good question

[@skysi]

How dare you!!!! -signed the wish dji crew

[@unRealityFPV]

The latency on DJI Goggles 2 seems WAY better than the V2 goggles even with the same quad/O3. Like for a while I didn't get why people complained about DJI latency, until I tried a pair of V2. They get laggy even nearby, where the G2 won't be laggy until you're under 10mbit

[@grimripperrr]

I’m thinking of selling the V2s and getting some goggles 2 so I can record OSD in DVR with the O3

[@gelatofpv]

OOO MAgnet fishing

[@slamonfpv]

It all depends on the situation hdzero is good in some area dji is good in most accept the latency but I'd rather be able to see and judge the latency than a rainbow of nothing. Each to there own I think analoge is still great as well.

[@navigator2011]

I couldn't accept the complete loss of visibility during the rainbows -- they would come on very quickly, and they scared the crap out of me every time. I eventually went back to analog. At least I can 'see' through the signal breakup.

[@xyz7975]

Welp……. I need help y’all.. was just about to get HDzero …. Now I’m as lost as ever…. Goggles integra OR HDzero…. Wtf do I choose? I do not want to support DJI…. But holy shit…. It really seems like every other options is such a gamble.

[@grimripperrr]

Go with your heart and don’t listen to anyone on the internet

[@xyz7975]

Greatly appreciate the reply. I’ll keep researching.

[@powersv2]

They need 2 antennas blasting at the same time

[@808TRK]

I was literally about to *really* make this video and sell my hdz shit.

[@grimripperrr]

I’ll buy some of it, DM me on IG or discord

[@CDRaff]

4:35 YMMV I am VERY latency sensitive. I think it has to do with spending a couple years trying to develop a VR game and spending a ton of time and energy to notice latency, but even before then I was very sensitive to it. Now it makes me physically ill though when before it just bothered me. I'm personally still on analog, and will be for a long while. 90% of my flying is done out in the desert away from people and their dirty 5.8ghz radio waves so my video often looks as good or better than most "HD" DVR footage I see online even when I am flying several kilometers out. On top of that it's cheap AF. HDZero is getting close with their prices, but I hear the word "fragile" used too often in conjunction HDZero for me to pull the trigger.

[@grimripperrr]

The new V2 freestyle VTX has been pretty reliable for me. I’ve had issues where I’ve lost an antenna and burnt out whoop vtxs and I’ve done the same with the v2 and it still works great. So I think it’s getting better and basically anyone committed to hdzero now is sort of willing to accept that.

[@joeldurham1764]

Analogue will never die, currently building 2 6s Analogue 5 inches with tracer & fettec g4 fc, BLHeli32 esc, Slattfpv 1700kv motors but where’s my farkin frames 😩

[@tiagorodrigues5855]

Loving that T-shirt 😂 BTW, your videos are really good man, keep doying it ;) big hug from Portugal keep ruining the Hobby 😂 💪

[@a-rad4139]

I fly vista and 03 outside, analog inside.

[@stephenfrancis303]

Analog old skool fatshark hd

[@mattyofpv]

i hear ya new firmware messed up with rapidfire and its horrid

[@mattyofpv]

where can i get that shirt.... i got control back @grim ripper

[@hankofthehill4803]

this sold me on dji im sorry but im not paying $600+ for a old tv. HDzero just needs to do better.

[@shotgun2063]

I love hdzero but It's only for racing still at this point imo.

[@gchSeattle]

You are a punk, but that is why we love you bro!

[@LehtusBphree2flyFPV]

Come on make your way to DJI now the goggles 2 is at an all-time low

[@tbounds4812]

i switched from analogue to a pair of dji v2 goggles and fuck bro the difference is insane it works extremely well for me edit: also runnin radio master zorro its goaaaaaated

[@David-ty6my]

Penetration and Range are the same thing btw.

[@CrashFPV21]

Confidence for me is video reliability.

[@Crashtopher]

Real heartbreaker losing a bird like that. I’m just going to say some poseur sh!t: Da Jiang has been very good to me.

[@austinspired]

Am i not a patreon anymore?

[@grimripperrr]

It said you canceled

[@austinspired]

​@grimripperrr I got a new card I bet that's it

[@franciscfpv]

Walksnail better latency, try it

[@mikediggsv2]

I feel 10 times more depressed

[@su_K3N]

HDZero is for whoops and racing imo

[@sidewaysPT]

Good job making the title/thumbnail contradict the video.

[@KOrnhOliO1]

HDZero (analog2) really, truly is analog, only slightly sharper. To spend $600 on the goggles and then $100 on 4 antennas, and $20 on a battery for the goggles, just to get a slightly sharper image, is RIDICULOUS! way, Way, WAY too much money for what you get in improvements. Is HDZero better in any other facet of flying?...NO, it's actually worse! When the Rainbow Screen of Death occurs, as you saw in this video when he goes under the bridge, it happens fast! With analog, it happens slow and you can choose to go through it and punch out and hope it returns quick, like it usually does. But, with HDZero, it doesn't return quick and you lose your $500+ or whatever drone!!!... You are constantly STRESSED OUT wondering, like Grim Reaper says, if you are going to be "flying within the limits of the system" or going past what the HDZero system can do. When you get so little improvement over plain ole analog, HDZero, when considering how much it costs to upgrade to the system, has to be THE WORST VALUE IN ALL OF FPV! Think about it!!!..............What else do you spend so much on, well over $700, just for the goggles, and get so little in actual improvements over analog? NOTHING! Many facets are actually much worse than analog! You can spend $349 for the DJI Integra goggles, get antennas and a battery included, and have image quality that is sooooo far and above what HDZero ever dreamed of, and be able to fly places you never imagined flying with analog or HDZero, for about H A L F the cost of HDZero's goggles. HALF! For so many improvements in performance over analog it'll blow your friggin' mind! THEN..........Consider that you'll most likely NOT be replacing ANY of your gear because it's virtually bulletproof and simply DOES NOT FAIL! So, what you buy is what you get. With HDZero, because it's so unreliable, you buy and buy from having to replace so much of your gear because it fails. Making the HDZero system soooooo much more expensive than what first meets the eye. PLUS, add to that what I read HERE in the comments from actual users of HDZero - THE VTX's burn out way too often and are expensive to keep replacing over and over and over again! Believe me, you will have to buy VTX's like mad! I know a long time reviewer of FPV - OVER 10 YEARS - Who said in his video, that he had to stop flying HDZero because he'd replaced soooooo many VTX's that he could keep spending money to replace them when they burnout out or failed so craZy often! FACT. All that money, a little sharper image, but terrible reliability and durability?? WHY DO PEOPLE BUY IT?!!! The value for your dollars spent is HORRIBLE! So much for so little. So many re-purchases, DJI cost's HALF as much and rarely, if ever, fails! Many, including myself, have never had a single failure of ANY of the DJI FPV system products! NEVER! And, when you upgrade from analog, don't you want to REALLY UPGRADE image quality, where you can now fly, how clear the image stays even when flying into or around buildings, into huge tree canopies and out the other side (most of you have never even tried doing this because....well, you can't!), but with DJI that's easy! HDZero isn't really an upgrade - it's just a lot of money spent to get a slightly sharper image but the same ole snow is still there and occurs at about 30 meters, and when flying around even a few trees you get a bunch of snow and more trees or bushes and Rainbow screen of death occurs - AND YER DONE!

[@grimripperrr]

👍🏻

[@mikebergman1817]

Sorry you lost a quad man. Shitty day

[@sp3cimen6]

analog=the best all around especially if you want to race!!!!!

[@tomasprochazka6198]

5th) the price $250 for VTx unit can be expensive

[@grimripperrr]

I lost an O3 on a quad once and broke several but dji will usually replace the O3 if there is no visible damage or it doesn’t appear that it’s a user error. I only had one where they charged me and another that was beyond repair

[@slappomatthew]

HDzero needs a long range mode. I don’t know why they haven’t implemented this.

[@grimripperrr]

They have 1 watt output on their freestyle vtx, BOTGRINDER flew 8km I believe.

[@edrone_]

Try the 540 60 fps it's supposed to give better range with trade off of video quality.

[@slappomatthew]

@@grimripperrr what I am getting at, is with the other brands they use telemetry to slow the latency and lower the bitrate to get more rance when needed. since HDZ doesn't have a 2 way link they cant do this dynamically, but they COULD offer a manually selected low bitrate. high latency "long range" mode. and yet they havent done this yet. and they should.

[@lemonsquareFPV]

@@slappomatthewHDZero’s long range, low bitrate, mode is only 10-20% better for long range… what it’s a million times better for, we found: is a bunch of people all up in really reflective environments. We did 13 up at once in a bando about a month ago and it was the most fun I have ever had doing FPV. Otherwise everyone still flys O3 one or two at a time. HDZero is really great with a bunch of friends.

[@tomasprochazka6198]

4:34 is intentional. There is no way it's a coincidence on this channel :D

[@lagezon5270]

how many takes yo? that's either dedication or bad memory.

[@grimripperrr]

What do you mean?

[@lagezon5270]

@@grimripperrr all the wardrobe changes and locations.

[@grimripperrr]

@@lagezon5270 oh I just film stuff over a a span of several days when I have time

[@johhngoblin]

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're refering to as HDZero, is in fact, GNU/HDZero, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus HDZero. HDZero is not a video transmitting system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full Video Transmitting System as defined by POSIX.

[@grimripperrr]

Wow thanks for the information

[@andyhoughtaling6319]

The entire FPV community refers to it as HDZero.

[@valeness84]

@@andyhoughtaling6319 It's and oldhead linux meme lol

[@haustiersteinfpv9181]

I think no one gets the joke. Good one!

[@lemonsquareFPV]

GNU + Divimath HDZero is more like your package manager or a semi configured distro 😜 Really great reference though 👍🏻👍🏻

[@shadowofchaos8932]

DJI is never the answer for video.

[@TheLostSquadron]

Huh? It's the answer in THIS video. His quad wouldn't be in the river if he had it.

[@tbounds4812]

DJI was the answer for me it just works great for me i couldn't ask for much more

[@peter360adventures9]

Yes, your funny.

[@big_nickos5609]

Sorta a click bait title, but no even mad co the video was great 😃👍🏼

[@grimripperrr]

Haha, well I did say the title line at the beginning…