I Refunded Forza Motorsport

The new Forza Motorsport released just a few hours ago, yet I already called the shot to refund the game. I'm talking about everything that's wrong with the newest Forza release and how its release was fumbled so badly.
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[@dustinedenextra]

Small update: You can actually skip practice. You have to go into practice, then pause the game and select to skip it. Weird but it works for those who get bored of it

[@Twiggo_The_Foxxo]

Seethe

[@Twiggo_The_Foxxo]

When I'm in a hating everything competition and my opponent is Dustin

[@mitchhoward9181]

You should try playing the game on Xbox Series X/S.

[@MarquisDeSang]

60 fps limit on PC for online racing killed it for me.

[@CPha2er]

What is your problem with 60 fps??@@MarquisDeSang

[@banemafia2125]

The biggest thing that ended my interest was the fact when you max out a cars level and decide to buy the same car again you have to level up that same car again.

[@CyanRooper]

"Did I ever tell you the definition of insanity?" It honestly does look like the game's progression was designed by Vaas from Far Cry 3 lmao.

[@spreilly71]

That actually helps identify tunes though so im not complaining

[@evandaymon8303]

@@spreilly71 how the fuck that helps? That just make it a pain in the ass to get tunes for different identical car. Are you delusional?

[@banemafia2125]

@@CyanRooper facts man

[@victim2077]

@@spreilly71 Mate, in a game that you have to grind a one car to be able to tune it and then being forced to do the same thing again just to have a different tune. In normal game or any different Forza, you could just put a different livery - thus skipping grind and works the same way.

[@NerfMaster000]

They’re still using the same goddamn S15 model that’s old enough to drink lmao, built from the ground up my ass

[@danielredziniak2996]

Physics my guy. Game feels amazing with controller and wheel

[@Victor-BRz3800]

​@@danielredziniak2996no.

[@deepblue8143]

The physics are night and day difference, it's amazing.

[@simplevoicereviewssvr6418]

​@@deepblue8143exactly

[@simplevoicereviewssvr6418]

​@@danielredziniak2996exactly

[@t.k3579]

"Built from the ground up" but the ground is forza motorsport 7

[@navox4658]

I mean it's literally ground up, not ground down

[@heybos4640]

built from the ass up

[@yaboibenson0159]

Took em 6 years too😂

[@BlueflagAlpha]

6 years for this trash

[@xXturbo86Xx]

From the ground DOWN then because even FM7 is better.

[@talonobrovacgorgon5994]

Ive played for a few hours: I do like the idea of leveling up a car and genuinely making a connection to it, just not in this way. This would have been a great time to bring back manufacturer affinity, instead of leveling up to unlock upgrades, you level up your car manufacturer to get bonuses, like xp and credit boosts and exclusive liveries

[@evandaymon8303]

And if you buy a identical car you have to level that car up if you want to upgrade it.

[@xXturbo86Xx]

What fuckin "connection"? The only mechanic that would make sense would be to gain some "expertise" that would aid in oversteer recovery. Meaning, getting more familiar with the car means it's easier to drive. But it's nothing. It's just an annoying feature just to give the impression that this is a new game.

[@simplevoicereviewssvr6418]

Like from fm4

[@purwantiallan5089]

​@@simplevoicereviewssvr6418FM3 too.

[@danielstokker]

Seriously you love leveling up cars like this 😂😂😂 your one lost cause buddy

[@marjoh669]

Refunded from the ground up

[@dmomintz]

It's 2023 and FM-3 and 4 are still the best Forza games...

[@VulMata69]

Old games when it got released: Perfect! New games when it got released: REFUND! REFUND! REFUND! THE GAME IS BROKEN AGAIN!!

[@bmxboxter]

Or “don’t worry, it’ll be fixed in 6 months, maybe a year, maybe even two years, from now”

[@LtCatscratch]

I'm suprised they don't greet new players with "Welcome to Beta Testing program" at the launch screen :D

[@SpaniardNL]

​@@LtCatscratchlol, nice one, and so true, this release is the worst I've seen from the Forza Motorsport franchise by a long shot.

[@blueelectric05]

The curse of being able to update games is that the devs could slack even more and not worrying about stability

[@Twiggo_The_Foxxo]

People really like their hate boners huh

[@blapbIap]

disappointed but definitely not surprised lmao

[@iamkitsune]

another day thanking the team behind Xenia for letting me play Forza Motorsport 4 instead of the recent crap

[@bmxboxter]

Wish it had backwards compatibility on console:( I don’t have a PC:’(

[@VerticalStrafes]

Does it actually work now?

[@BlueflagAlpha]

Is it working well?

[@pokeboi5438]

@@BlueflagAlphaehhhhh sun effects are still an issue

[@PinkiePie762]

Lol

[@JoeySmith101]

It’s gonna be one of those drip feed live service games. They hear the complaints but they will wait to fix once the original boom of players dies down to keep people coming back

[@xXturbo86Xx]

You mean like they did with FM7? Oh wait, they didn't. They don't give a shit. And since this is just a downgraded copy paste of FM7, they won't even think about it twice. The game is already dead.

[@simplevoicereviewssvr6418]

​@@xXturbo86Xxdid u even get into multiplayer.... graphics are better, dynamics are better. If they go anymore sim like, it'd cater to a more niche audience

[@sungjin-woo3894]

@@simplevoicereviewssvr6418 yeah thats pretty much it. Racing games are best played multiplayer and really the career is beyond irrelevant. It lives and dies by the amount of people in the multiplayer. For one, I am really stoked for this gt7 experience on xbox.

[@marjoh669]

Moderately hot take: I really like the idea of the upgrading system *had it been tied on a per manufacturer basis* (similar to FM3’s affinity system) but nope, here we are :/

[@devinvenne]

I think it would be best for it to be based on car type rather than manufacturers. I.e. modern hot hatches all level up together, gt cars all level up together, etc.

[@borncomatose]

@@devinvenne I agree this would be a lot better I understand what the devs were thinking just to make it rpg based but it doesn't translate well in a car game with over idek how many cars the game has 😭 most rpg's have a way where most things level up together anyway nowadays too

[@devinvenne]

@@borncomatose I think it has a bit over 500 cars... I really hope they update the system in the near future.

[@simplevoicereviewssvr6418]

Yes not per car

[@purwantiallan5089]

​@@devinvennewith updates i think total cars in FM8 reached 657.

[@cin2110]

Saw it a mile away, saw the forza aero and instantly knew what was going to happen.

[@N7Bluerose]

Please don't tell me they're still using the same fucking wing 🤦🏿‍♂️

[@GozuTenno962]

​@@N7Bluerosethey are still using ancient models and that awful wing

[@Arima_Devil]

Don’t forget the car model

[@Leo-zy4fy]

They are still using old broken car models from 2005... @@N7Bluerose

[@yaboix4534]

Im about to play Forza motorsport 2 on my 360 instead

[@Valkaze111]

My biggest let down it is always online. And with a online service when the service is shut down? Gone.

[@borncomatose]

I'm just glad consoles in general don't really suffer from technical difficulties that PC can get. Shits still definitely on Microsofts part shits depressing

[@MuscleCarLover]

FailRace absolutely rips into them with his most negative review yet. He called the upgrade system worse than loot boxes

[@huyra8019]

Alex was right and I can't refund since I got the Key from g2a so rip me

[@MuscleCarLover]

@@huyra8019 Sorry to hear about that, hope it was cheap at least

[@chrisanderson1-66]

Glad this is implemented to keep out casual Horizon players.

[@MuscleCarLover]

@@chrisanderson1-66 They should've implemented some actual progression instead. You can do whatever you can afford to cars as soon as you get them in Gran Turismo 4 for example, just that you may not be able to afford it without doing some races (in any of the cars you currently own)

[@huyra8019]

@@MuscleCarLover it was not lol 😂. I’ll just emulate fh4 and play that

[@Paragleiber]

You really aren't missing much. Handling and graphics are improved from FM7 but I think the career mode will get dull rather quickly (although it's apparently also quite short). And the AI balancing is really bad. The first few drivers are always way faster than the rest of the field. If you start in 24th you will already be in 5th after half a lap and then you spend the rest of the race trying to catch up to the last few guys. Reminds me of Forza Apex.

[@ATRcams]

And they were working on this at least since 2017!!! Can you figure that out?

[@AdamAlmony]

Graphics look worse

[@TrabNCrash]

Skill issue. I agree with you though, in real life racing we should put the slowest drivers at the start of the pack instead of the people with more pace because it’s unfair that the people who are faster get to start in the front.

[@UltraCasualPenguin]

That's what you get for playing on easiest difficulty.

[@BlueflagAlpha]

The game is terrible

[@bmxboxter]

Built from the ground up must stand for: knocking down the OK-built building (FM7), using all of the now broken pieces from FM7’s building, mixing very few brand new pieces (the small amount of brand new cars, slight graphic/physics improvement) and then using asbestos to fill in the holes (the awful car-level system/removal of fun/quirky cars and straight up sports/racecars that have no reason to be removed, and still using nearly 20 year old models. Oh, and still having the same ugly Forza Aero for every car) :) (at this point, all of the old mechanics/game-features from FM1-4 are just the dirt and ash on the ground that the new Motorsports are built on)

[@IAmTheAmogus]

I swear, why cant big racing game developers just actually release an even decent game with low bugs, good performance and that is fun to play, it is ridiculous nowadays, no-one can do it.

[@BlueflagAlpha]

Its all about money

[@xXturbo86Xx]

That's because there's a lot more people nowadays that will be happy with anything. Feed them SHIT, literally, and they will be happy and even ask for seconds. The gaming industry can clearly see the patterns and they're capitalizing on it. They spend as less time and money as possible, they make a lot more, and on to the next shitty game. The market is there. Mindless consumers eager to spend money because they have no life anymore and have nothing to spend it on other than games.

[@robcowgill9845]

Because they hire people with blue hair..

[@kpegc]

@@xXturbo86Xx Like many GTPlanet members? It seems that those people line right up to defend anything as long as it has cars and "photo-realistic" graphics in it. Makes me wonder if developers pay them to white knight these games, honestly.

[@natgrant1364]

They don't understand what sold the first 4 games and they refuse to listen to those of us who kept coming back.

[@navox4658]

I was kinda disappointed to turn 10 but not surprised at the same time. They just give you a car-level system and call it the day. Anything else is almost same as FM7.

[@Gmanxxx1214]

I almost bought FM8 yesterday but backed out at the last second and then a survey popped up and asked why I didn't buy. I messaged them that I was afraid the game wont' work on release because so many games get released unfinished nowadays.

[@ItsJustMetrion]

And the best part is: Microsoft is generally thinking that gaming is a bottom priority! I guess this is a great example for that!

[@cynthiaandoh9575]

What?

[@ItsJustMetrion]

@@cynthiaandoh9575 kzbin.info/www/bejne/gHKTaWVvg9VgbLMfeature=shared

[@997tt7]

This is why I don't buy games at launch. I usually like to wait a couple months so some of the mayor issues have been ironed out. Specially Forza games, whose pc ports tend to be quite broken at launch We used to say early access was just prepaid beta testing, but now even that applies to buying games at launch.

[@rondee]

Spot on.

[@nxiss]

Thats because they consider beta stage "ready to launch" when they know damn well it isnt done yet, this is problem that spreads across gaming as a whole. But consoomers keep consooming, so realistically nothing will change and were doomed to get unfinished/live service crap until gaming market crash 2.0 happens.

[@afhamdanish1957]

Ah yes the build from the ground up

[@deepblue8143]

Indeed it was, the physics are incredible.

[@mslunaticgenericword5015]

Some of us are also losing progress in Career mode. Game hangs or crashes... Previously completed races need to be completed again.

[@bagusekosw1573]

True, my game always auto close every 10-20 minutes, idk why. My PC spec is good

[@misterstertcraft513]

When a game published by the evil electronic arts gives you more hopes and expectation than your game, something are you doing wrong Microsoft. Edit: i mean the upcomming wrc game from ea

[@xXturbo86Xx]

You mean WRC? From what i've seen so far, it's garbage. Definitely rushed.

[@danielredziniak2996]

What game from ea compares to this? Nfs is dead 😂

[@misterstertcraft513]

@@danielredziniak2996 the next wrc from ea

[@Hallstrom007]

Its weird to hear a review of graphics quality from someone who didnt even play the game. I am loving Motorsport on PC

[@danielatherton7362]

Your not wrong I uninstalled it after 4 hours..game looked bad on my series X..it just felt pointless.

[@SweetInertia]

I was genuinely somewhat willing to give the game a go even if I knew it'd never meet my expectations in the current standards of AAA gaming, but the always online requirement for progression killed my enthusiasm for the game completely. Even then for that, the game does look far off the threshold that Forza Motorsport 4 set, it's a sad thing devs are somehow allergic to using the same ingredients that made their games great.

[@atmosdwagon4656]

It's not that developers don't know how to make a truly great game anymore, it's that they don't want to in the face of more profitable, competing interests (or more accurately, they aren't allowed to by their publishers). Around 20 years ago, the best way to make money via video games was to produce a hit game that everyone wanted. This meant innovating or at least, copying the best qualities of whatever was making money and then finding some way of making that copy stand out. This gave us a sustained period of classics that we have not met or exceeded since, as evidenced by the industry's continued reliance on remaking and exploiting the nostalgia of those classics. Today, the best way to make money in a video game is to build a digital slot machine and wrap it in the guise of a "video game". The gameplay itself doesn't need to be better, or even all that good anymore to justify the investment, because the business strategy of these ventures lies in exploiting social engineering and gambling-addiction psychology rather than being...y'know, creative and good. And that isn't mere theory, sadly. It's cold hard fact. The most bluntly exploitative "Games as a service / Online-casino" model isn't just profitable, it's proven to be immensely more profitable than any other business model in the entirety of video game history. (for the same reasons that real world casinos and gambling were subjected to state regulation across the entire developed world) Just to put this into perspective with a real world example: Take the game Fire Emblem Heroes. In its first year, it averaged 15 million dollars per MONTH. That is like selling a best selling smash hit game EVERY YEAR on a pauper's budget. In 2023, FEH broke 1 BILLION in total revenue as of its 5th year. (FEH's gameplay is an extremely dumbed down version of the actual Fire Emblem series, which itself is not that complex. The graphics and audio are on par with 2nd rate crap I saw on Newgrounds 15+ years ago.) And FEH wasn't even the biggest earner in that regard; have a look at what Fortnite or FIFA were making prior to the great O'Biden Inflation Bomb gutting the economy; nearly a BILLION USD per YEAR at its peak in 2020. That's per game too, not combined. Why bother spending 3+ years making a high quality game when you can just make an online casino strapped to some well known gaming franchise instead? Well, that's the billion dollar question for the captains of industry, and it's a question they have to answer with "Roll out them digital slots, boys!" if they want to attract and keep investors on board. Of course...just like with real-world gambling, there's a price to be paid in the long run. It guts the value of the franchise in the long run by turning away the majority of those who used to associate that franchise with quality. Whales are fickle assholes too; the moment games like those stop being popular, they start searching for some other Pay-to-Win extravaganza or gambling addiction to waste copious shitloads of cash on. It's a far more volatile market than the industry thinks, but it's about to be reminded in the harshest way to not take everything for granted.

[@JohnnieButtersonline]

User error played a big role in this video 😂😂

[@BigTa1k]

By the time Forza actually becomes a competent game, too many people would've moved on for it to matter

[@worldofz00]

Bingo. I finally bought a PS5, first time PS owner for GT7 and a few other PS exclusives. GT7 is leaps and bounds ahead of FM. I get how people call Forza Motorsport vanilla and corporate-like now. It’s like the game was thrown together to say “hey, we have something like GT on Xbox too,” but falls flat.

[@succulenttrash3343]

I played the game, and it really feels like the only thing that was "built from the ground up" was the background track graphics. The environments look beautiful but I'm not impressed by it because that's just simply the natural progression of game graphics. Like yeah i expect Mugello to look better than the last game. What i am disappointed about though is we've been complaining since the Xbox One era to change these 2005-2012 car models and update them and they just don't care at all. Having 64 times more fidelity or whatever on some dumb rocks in pit road should not take priority over 18 year old car models that are innacurate because, at the end of the day, cars are the focus of a car game. Aa far as the upgrades, they REALLY could have fixed it if they 1. Gor rid of the 50 level cap and made it infinite and 2. Keep the car points but got rid of the upgrade unlocks. Car points will let players pick and choose what upgrade is best for them at that moment. Locking them off makes me feel frustrated. I did a championship with a Lexus RCF and it felt like i couldn't reach first unless i started in 6th place or higher due to how heavy the car is. This game could be greay like a year or two down the line and thats very disappointing that it's not great at launch

[@purwantiallan5089]

Online only for career mode is basically "Built from Ground Up".😂

[@worldofz00]

Play GT7, you’ll get a game that truly feels built from the ground up. Let’s say even it wasn’t, it looks better even than max settings on PC.

[@alrecks619]

They definitely built Forza Aero from the ＧＲＯＵＮＤ　ＵＰ

[@depressingNicolai-sv8ky]

Back in the day: Game's out > buy disk > install game > play game weeks upon weeks > be happy Nowadays: Game's out > people already post hate videos on it > buy it > it dont work > fix it for 2 weeks > try it > game's sh1t > depression

[@strikerecho2592]

Only thing I would change is replace ‘install game’ with ‘put disc in console’.

[@depressingNicolai-sv8ky]

or a dvd drive @@strikerecho2592

[@FLAMEXSTYLE]

Dev: the game not finish Publisher: Don't worry we got Ray Tracing Dev: Game Performance not Optimize Publisher: Downgrade Visual and keep Ray Tracing. Dev: The game don't have much Publisher: Add Level to Every Car, keep them Busy 😂

[@Milokitty-en5nb]

This dude is just too cool for school. The iconic “I don’t care”. Despite troubleshooting for an hour. Multiplayer is limited but fun, however it gets completely ruined by immature children playing crash derby. While Microsoft does nothing about it.

[@TheJines123]

Okay so here is my take on the game. First off I have played the forza series for 16 years. I bought the Early Access for this game because we have waited six years for Motorsport which was the longest we have ever had to wait for one of these games. I was excited to try it with all of my friends who are also 10 plus years into this series as well. Needless to say about 20 of my friends including me have had our money reimburse for this game. I am playing on console and I cannot believe how bad it looks how bad it sounds and I do not like the way they did the progression system either. We just want to get in and race and go in the multiplayer and make big private lobbies and race with each other but the way they have made this game it is really hard to do that and it just doesn't work. Half of my friends are saving up to get a PS5 and gt7 because I stream it all the time because I've switched to it now and thoroughly enjoy just getting in there and racing and modifying cars in creating Lobby's. I am also a car guy and am surrounded by performance cars on a daily basis my family and I own an automotive shop and I get to work on cars and I get to see things in real life. So between the love for the forza series and my love for cars I seriously critiqued the crap out of this game. And to name a few things that really bug me is stuff like the Interiors very inaccurate on this game. I mean certain cars have different colored gauges in what the actual cars have in IRL. Most of the Subarus Interiors are extremely messed up. So the interior's don't even belong on certain models of the cars. All the Interiors look really bad the reflections and lighting is really bad. I think the carbon-fibre on a lot of the interior's look really really bad. Even the color of the interior and the textures that they decided to use are completely wrong. The 09 ZR1 does not even sound like a ZR1. I mean I could keep going and going and going but I don't even think there's enough room for me to continue on with this. I can't believe what the outcome was of this game after waiting six years. And one of the biggest hits for me is the fact that the nordschleife is not in there at launch. I mean come on there is no excuse for that. And what I do not understand is how everyone is trying to make excuses for them like it's not a big deal in that it will be in the game later. I cannot believe that everyone is okay that they have released an unfinished game that isn't even accurately depicting cars anymore and it runs like crap on PC at the same time. I mean this game is a dumpster fire. I am truly disappointed. It is so sad that this is what they "from the ground up". Needless to say that I am done with the forza franchise. I honestly thought this day would never come because I've always enjoyed Forza. But oh well nothing good lasts forever I guess.

[@MFBushidoBrown]

It's like the biggest companies produces the worst crap

[@Gramaton_Cleric]

bro.. i paid 120$ for this utter disaster. I wrote to xbox that unless I get a full refund I am completely moving back to PS5. this is unnacceptable. I have the blessing and privilige to be able to afford and have time to play nearlt all major releases on all consoles. I am a dad and I game with my sons -- I have never been so pissed off at a game I was waiting for for so long.... I get exctlyt how you feel

[@jamesp1389]

I originally disliked this video. Then I came to my senses and stopped coping. This game is a joke.

[@af4396]

I don't know what's going on at Microsoft. I understand Redfall was more of a problem with Arkane (and no good Arkane devs being left) but Halo Infinite, Forza Motorsport are both bread and butter franchises and EACH one had an extended development time. Both were disappointments with lazy campaign content and a lack of content and quality control in general. Motorsport feels the same. It's behind GT7 in almost every aspect, and even worse, it's behind Turn 10s history of games. FM3 and 4 are obviously the standard they set, and they completely missed the mark with this 2023 version. Either they lost their mojo as a studio, or management at Microsoft is really pushing devs to do weird things due to Gamespass. I think it's management, and it's pissing me off.

[@SlavicUnionGaming]

everything microsoft touches turns to shit, COD is about to have the exact same thing happen... its only a matter of time.

[@cynthiaandoh9575]

​@@SlavicUnionGamingHow? Did Microsoft not have turn 10 for the past Forza entries? You're just saying that because you dont like the game

[@cynthiaandoh9575]

How is any of the possible issues of Forza Motorsport due to Gamepass? It's just a service for games.

[@danielredziniak2996]

@@SlavicUnionGamingcod is already trash. Did you see zombies? Another brain dead try at that

[@ttt22295]

Na its Sony fault

[@snooz221]

You know what really hits? It didn't even feel monumental or exciting. I actually forgot it came out.

[@bmxboxter]

This is most definitely a game release of all time.

[@TheBlueOne1231]

When running the ingame benchmark with a 3070, 10core, and 16g ram. And fps capped at 60. Its fine, looks meh on ultra. But when actually playing the game any mode it struggles to do 40fps

[@ZamanYolcusu32]

Are you real? I bought it preorder on console, game isn't released yet but people are started to refund already? Man I'm so indecisive right now.

[@evandaymon8303]

They bought a special edition that gave them early access for 5 days before launch

[@romanbelenkin3799]

Just wait and try it on game pass for a month.

[@ZamanYolcusu32]

​@@romanbelenkin3799About that, I don't want to involve with a politic conversation but the thing is, my country's economic inflation is high and by this, new released video games's prices are always changing. That's why I wanted to buy on preorder. Anyways while waiting forza motorsport I'm going to play forza horizon 3 and NFS Most Wanted Pepega mod.

[@demomanchaos]

Why do developers hate player freedom so much? GT and Forza have devolved into entirely linear "curated experiences" rather than actual games

[@davidfurney3945]

Man turn10 dropped the ball so fucking hard on this game. They really only care about Horizon, and even that game is severely lacking in any kind of replay ability

[@Kilson-76]

There is a small game called wreckfest with a small amout of car leveling up but great multiplayer. This seems to have great multiplayer as well but much more car leveling up, its exactly what i have been wanting, i cant wait!

[@Caero_]

Good thing I myself wasn't immediately interested in it anyway. I might try it after it's been out for a bit if I feel like it

[@TheWretchedWorld]

I’m not defending forza here but you should never remove edge from windows. So many critical systems baked into windows rely on it being there. Being a Microsoft title it doesn’t surprise me that the lack of edge broke the game.

[@hawkhoskins4250]

Forza multiplayer is ace! No game comes out finished.

[@Ben-Rogue]

I was pretty surprised at how bad the game performs for how average it looks on PC (on a 7900XTX BTW). Not to mention I had the game crash twice in the first 30 minutes.

[@syygnis]

7:10 What about in GT4 when you get up to the World Classic Car Series which is after a heap of events where you drive much faster cars? I'll still play FM2,3 and 4.

[@user-kt6ct1sr3s]

If you want to see jumping and flying cars at the starting line....then just try to watch multiplayer replays...forward then rewind....thats all you can see at the replays!!

[@markisaki979]

They basically recreated Gran Turismo Sport, without the things that actually made Sport worth playing.

[@zacariascisneros6399]

What I find interesting, is that those that criticized GT Sport for being an online only experience (even if it was marketed as well) because it didn't have a GT Mode, now they're not so critical with the new Forza for being barebones in the career mode (which was one of the main selling features) and instead, praise the multiplayer.

[@tamas5594]

it's good to watch these kinds of videos before one asks for a series x for christmas. i still want to play this game (this is coming from a person who willingly bought f&f crossroads deluxe edition when it released so take that as you want to), but only because of the new cars and customization. there isn't much else i would even want a new forza game for 8:01 those are the exact same words that i saw on an ad for the one x back when i got one of those. i love meaningless corporate buzzwords :/

[@deepblue8143]

No it's not, he played it on PC. I have it on Series X and it's amazing.

[@nxiss]

DO NOT BUY AN XBOX, DO YOURSELF A FAVOR AND PUT THAT MONEY TOWARDS A PC..I HAVE OWNED MY SERIES X SINCE IT RELEASED AND I BARELY DO ANY ACTUAL GAMING ON IT, WHAT GOOD IS THE "MOST POWERFUL CONSOLE" WHEN THE SELECTION OF GAMES IS HORRID, PC IS TRULY THE BEST PLATFORM FOR GAME VARIETY AND FREEDOM OF MODDING.

[@acurisur]

Valve dictates what time a game is released on Steam, this had nothing to do with Microsoft, Xbox or Turn 10. It's usually either 4pm or 6pm.

[@marc-andrehogue114]

I can't even have FFB working properly, stuck with a bug where turning left FFB is inverted and right side is fine. no fix available so far lol

[@glitchinthematrix9306]

did you manage to fix it? i have same issue

[@marc-andrehogue114]

@glitchinthematrix9306 i did, it was either the reinstall of the FFB registry for RBR and FH5 that i deleted.

[@jancosmit490]

Dustin that sucks. Xbox version is also a bit bugged game is in a loading circle sometimes when you upgrade a car during event. Let's hope Microsoft gets their 💩 sorted than is runs better

[@JVSemLimites]

I wanted to discover how different is it from gran turismo and i found out that i'm missing out anything. My pc doesn't meet the recommended requirements but it does surpass the minimum requirements, and it took nearly 1 hour just to get past the title screen. Everytime i tried to open the game, it took 30~50 minutes just to get past it. Before this title screen, it tried to connect to my xbox account and sometimes it just failed and it crashed the game; and when it got past this connection, then i had to wait all that time in the title screen. When i finally got past the title screen and opened the game, i had to wait nearly 10 minutes just to enter a race. Only in this time i finally was able to play a race and control a car in this game, and i had the feeling that my dualshock 4 wasn't working well because the car sometimes seemed to "steer" (more like a vibration on the track) by its own. That could probably be the case if my controller didn't work very well with any other game. So i tried to change my controller and use a dualsense, but Windows just doesn't recognize it as a controller. Congratulations Microsoft, neither your OS and your racing simulation game work as they are supposed to. My real fear when Microsoft bought activision is that they can kill crash bandicoot franchise again. But the issues didn't end there. After giving up on trying to use dualsense, i changed back to dualshock 4 knowing that it wasn't the controller's fault and finally started racing again. When it seemed that i was at last going to play it, a window pops up saying that my connection had broken and i also knew that it wasn't my internet's fault because it was working well. This window gave me the choice of trying to reconnect or to play offline, and when i tried to reconnect, i think that this window popped up again in less than 10 seconds. This happened about 4 times but i tried to reconnect the first 3 attempts and every attempt had the same fail after 10 seconds or less. In the fourth attempt, i clicked to play offline because i just wanted to play it but it was so difficult to get to this point. Then the game took me to the title screen saying that my connection was restored and yet it started to look for updates. That's the point i was done. It was looking for update but forever, i didn't have anything i could do or click on and it never found an update and never let me do anything. I knew that all i could do was to close the game and wait another 50 minutes to open it up again. That's when i just stopped. That's ridiculous. I lost nearly 3 hours of my life just trying to play a game. It's not like i spent my money on it because i'm paying gamepass instead, and it's not like i was super hyped for it, i just wanted to see how different it it from a good simulator, and the answer for it is A LOT. but anyway i was expecting to enjoy the game at least a little bit and it was the complete opposite. This game wasn't made to run on any computer, they just pretend it was. Even though gran turismo has some dubious decisions when it comes to game design, it's totally playable and technically well made. I understand now why people used to say since many years ago why forza motorsport wasn't good, and it doesn't seem to have changed.

[@pxncil4430]

you must have an absolutely shit computer

[@federicomasetti8809]

I spent quite some time to get the game running decently on my pc (roughly the same specs you have) and then I got lucky to find a good setup for my G29. The game now feels good, but still nothing like "WOW!!". Yes, I disabled any RT stuff, just because I hate driving at anything below 60fps and because any DLSS setting makes the game look too blurry/crappy, so I preferred DLAA and maxing out the other settings, besides shadows, which I don't care much about, as well as mirror details and reflections on the windshield, since I drive with the hood camera. I get about 80 fps in most cases, but, to be honest, Forza Horizon looks better to my eyes, and I can run it, fully maxed out, at around 100/110 fps. I don't know why this main franchise game doesn't, at least, equal the great results of its "side project", but thankfully I didn't pay for the full game, as I pay for the Game Pass monthly, when I want to play games that are included in the service. Im also looking forward to EA WRC, I hope the "EA" part of the project doesn't fuck the rest 😅😂

[@luispereira9999]

The fact that you pay 100€ and still have to be online otherwise you can't play it's so fliping annoying...

[@natecollins9331]

Tbh, my criticism on new FM is that the foundation of it, and it goes to development of the game. Unlike GT7 where since Sport, they are like "Oh hey, lets make everything 0 again and don't use the older stuff so that we can make the new game better..."

[@Louganda]

Built from the ground up

[@evandaymon8303]

Except gt7 is mid. They are lot better then forza motorsport 8 but not by longshot since those devs Dont talk to us directly and give us a guessing game instead of telling us what to expect in next update beside cars. Not lot content and terrible game payouts.

[@xXturbo86Xx]

@@evandaymon8303 Still a better game mate.

[@evandaymon8303]

@@xXturbo86Xx eh not really when payout still suck and devs along with kaz refused to talk to us directly with there heads in there ass over things fandom really wanted. So no disagree on it being a better game. It is fun for short bursts but nothing much to retain single players.

[@Mr_Latte_UK]

Built a new system 2 days prior to the PC release. Game worked fine from steam for me and it unpacked in 8 minutes . I read that some PC owners were also changing regions on windows to get around the timezones/release. Lets face it, many more games will release needing fixes or that are not fully optomised. As for FM they spent 6 years with it, but what happens in the next year with it is what matters most.

[@RennsportRacer]

I do not race online nor do I have a steering wheel/pedals set up. I’m interested in the quality of the single player career mode and livery editor. Everything Ive seen so far has made me more unsure about buying an xbox for this game. I’ll definitely give it a few weeks to see what people say.

[@JerCough5668]

Noob

[@RennsportRacer]

@@JerCough5668 Not at all-just not interested in racing against dirty drivers and cannot afford a steering wheel/pedal setup, nor do I have space for one.

[@JerCough5668]

@@RennsportRacer you don't need that for multiplayer

[@RennsportRacer]

@@JerCough5668 I know

[@JerCough5668]

@@RennsportRacer then why mention it

[@artkatt]

I would have refunded it on the spot just to prove a point that this game went too far with the realism. The upgrade system is HOT GARBAGE, and the game progression is hella slow. I've played FM7 and that was fun fro a bit. This is just boring. Not buying this. TDU Solar Crown seems like a way better game and we know practically nothing about it.

[@samgillespie248]

Got a refund today, it's full of bugs, and should never have been released in its current state. Especially for the premium price they charged for it.

[@cheslinmarthinus5059]

I play it on Series S. It's a bit boring. It freezes when you apply upgrades on cars ,then when you restart it you have to race all over again. The way the Golf R/A45 sounds is sad.😢. Dissapointed.

[@zacariascisneros6399]

bUt bRUh, yOu'VE pLaYed iT oN seRiEs s, nOt x

[@gr4mas144]

Soooo in shorts they release FM7 1.5 BUT as "new"game?

[@xXxREDEEMEDxXx-yc9ne]

They down graded my subie 22b bro ! The max tire width profile is 265 now ! Wth ! It use to be 275 ,even upgrading the body parts like bumpers sideskirts and spoiler was limited to my damn 22b sti ! What a let down !

[@samsantana]

Hmm a review based on other people's opinion without ever actually even starting the game. Great content dude.

[@Firespecialstar]

i didn't even knew forza motorsport got released. glad i'm not missing out, as usual with modern gaming

[@thattonnatoguywithafez8246]

At least you got inside of the game, i can't even properly launch it. Days and hours gone by and i am pretty much done, might as well reinstall FM7. Or just any game that works when you install it.

[@lukebradford6234]

ive played 10 hours roughly and not experienced one bug yet, i see alot of people reporting bugs but i honestly havent run into one...

[@RomnysGonzalez]

Built from the ground up with 16 times the details of ray tracing that just don't work

[@TickleFight94]

I don’t think anyone is being slighted by the New Zealand trick. It’s a bug as a feature of how the MS store works that they don’t fix because it doesn’t cost them money 😂 Sorry it didn’t launch for you. The cars feel great, sound design and AI drivers are pretty terrible. I won’t be harsh on Devs trying new progression systems if they are doing it to clearly influence gameplay. I find it more engaging than build bank, buy all the upgrades at once although it is frustrating when you know what a car needs to drive better and the upgrade is level locked. MS’ contract with Nvidia have handicapped anti-aliasing on both PC and Xbox across many games. It’s all about marketing and not a Forza exclusive issue.

[@spiffydogame9693]

I refunded the game after playing for 10 minutes. It ram poorly on my computer. Ryzen 5800x, 32GB ram, 3070ti. Very disappointed.

[@SHADOSTRYKR]

The graphics are a significant downgrade from the early trailers shown. Which even those trailers were like “huh that looks decent” but wasn’t mind blowing.

[@BigMoneyWaste]

Trying to play through steam as well and I just get stuck at the start screen. No buttons or anything to click. Just infinitely loading

[@UOTCbassist]

Dustin 4 years from now: "Was Forza Motorsport REALLY that bad?"

[@ATRcams]

That kind of installation problem pisses me off. It's like they don't care.. Liike just a straight #*%$ you for having this weird situation that we never thought of in all those million years testing this thing. Or maybe the team just had one trainee to ask to look for those kind of situation that happened to you. But even then, so many years have passed since thr Forza 7 that even ONE trainee could figure that out. I'm sorry for that, but I got you.

[@davimichelmaradeikehde2178]

Truly racing games aren't that much anymore, just as motorsport is, I don't think I can get to playing forza anymore, and much New racers too, btw not even gamepass has it early

[@k13376]

The driving physics is decent, the upgrade system and linear career are not the best but at least tolerable. But there are way too many technical issues with the game. Graphical bugs aside, I simply couldn't get my progress saved and had to repeat the same races over and over again.

[@KryueII]

Penalty system is bugged beyond belief. AI has absolutely zero awareness, feels like I’m racing in a fucking gta lobby. Takes literal hours to upgrade any car and you don’t even get to preview locked upgrades to know if it’s worth it. Pole position AI are still rigged by having the game pull them away from you as soon as the races start. Literally have to ram them or else you’re not getting first place. Can even watch as the 1st place AI is braking while you’re full throttle and it’ll still pull the AI away from you…. Yeah and this is regardless of your difficulty settings. They a put a ton of real data and detail into the higher end cars, yet every single low end stock car is running on the same exact data aside from top speed and acceleration data. Making all low end cars have inconsistent throttle response, braking response, and steering response. This has to be one of the worst “racing sims” I’ve ever played in my entire life. I feel like turn10s Idea of a racing sim is making a game impossible to play. By far the most lazy development I’ve seen in a game since COD

[@kvltizt]

I would love less graphics if it meant getting a polished, functional game at release.

[@mikerochburns4104]

Unfortunately removing Edge breaks so much stuff in windows.

[@devinvenne]

That's so dumb that you couldn't even launch it. Completely inexcusable from turn 10. About the upgrade system, I'd like it if instead of unlocking every upgrade for the one item unlocked it would just unlock all tier 1 upgrades at once, then you get to choose what your car needs. Because i was using a 91 bmw m3 for the track specials cup and for the first two races i was skidding all over the track because of how bad the stock tires were. And the second i got street tires I started setting great segments all over the race.

[@evandaymon8303]

Well get ready to get pissed because if you buy a identical car to do different tune. Well you got to start over with leveling up to upgrade it.

[@devinvenne]

@@evandaymon8303 I knew that already:) it's very dumb

[@okami803]

I drive with a wheel. Shifting is horrendous until you can unlock aftermarket transmissions.. Painfully, you have to slowly let off the gas, slowly push in the clutch, slowly shift, and reverse so you don't rev bomb and upset the car. Frustrating when hard cornering, etc. In no time I had $600k+ and can't buy a transmission to fix the shift time because it's locked behind a car level that takes 30+ minutes to get to; for every car. With that being stated, the physics have stepped up. I get what they were going for but hopefully they abolish the car level system. I hope they re-evaluate it.. until then I've refunded.

[@danielredziniak2996]

You got a potato set. Probably from temu

[@glitchinthematrix9306]

Now i understand why i felt the driving was dogshit and I WAS SURE IT WAS NOT ME! ITS THE FUCKING SLOW SHIFTS

[@PhantomMark]

I refunded after 78mins..... In that time I couldn't even get the FFB to enable on my Fanatec wheel either !!! hopeless.

[@Force_DLX]

I couldn't keep playing after the first 15 minutes. The game is terribly optimized on pc. I have a 12600k/3070ti/32gb ram, the game couldn't keep a stable 60fps even with ray tracing turned off.

[@rippedamigo8288]

That's unfortunate that you couldn't even get past the start screen. I guess I got lucky with the pc game pass version. The game does seem lackluster, physics are decent enough, graphics are pretty good too, but yeah it seems like there is nothing to the game honestly.

[@thepcuser5469]

Forza motorsport: brought to the ground down

[@tylerthere5832]

This is the fist motorsport that I've been completely disappointed by. My first impressions was dull dated graphics, stutters and inconsistent optimization. Then Iooked at the builders cup and noticed it was missing complete categories of cars and any fun challenges, then came the constant crashing. I'm a forza main through and through, but this game has completely broke any confidence in the team that's currently working on it.

[@tylerthere5832]

My standards aren't even that high to... I mean, I personally loved Forza 5 and had no complaints of 6 and my only complaint of 7 was the music and the overall more American tone. 8 is just worse in every aspect compared to the last games, even the physics aren't that much better then 7, which was my favorite for driving.

[@RomperStomperxy]

I never got more as the first loading screen because game services problems something....but steam countet all the time as playtime (7h). But got a refund anyway, steam knows the problems and refund even if you have more than 2h on the clock.

[@Kev27RS]

Plus a lot of cars are just old, re-used 3D models from many years ago… They don’t even look good. The Golf R32 mk4 and Silvia S15 are two examples!

[@Skirakzalus]

FM7 made me cautious about what 8 would be. Was hoping for a straight out banger that made me never want to look back (especially with 7 constantly crashing on AMD systems), but after seeing some of the launch reviews I didn't buy it. If it's a mess anyways, then I'd rather deal with the one I already own instead of buying another. Not sure upgrade levelling really has a place in these games. I get they wanted people to spend more time with their cars, but this sacrifices the option to just try upgrading cars for a class and finding the one for you. Once you have that car, that's the one that will become special. Being locked for hours into what turns out to be a bad choice really does nothing. Maybe they could have locked some special upgrades behind some cups. Say you need to win a Lambo vs Ferrari series in a Lambo to get drivetrain swaps for all of their cars, something like that.

[@mstirlz]

The AI driving is the worst by far. Hasnt changed for decades. The leading 2 cars are the only challenge and the rest give up. You pass a car and theres no battle, they just give up. Its so predictable

[@censoredialogue]

you know you’re down bad when the only tutorial that can help you is a random Indian dude’s video with less than 10k views. truly unsung heroes

[@ghostmarine1520]

Ah This is Similar to Starfield of Course Especially the optimization and broken mess also basically next-gen they said

[@spreilly71]

The reason i still push forza is even through it's flaws it's still the most accessible and easy to get into (hardware) racing game with a physics model. I'm still sad to hear this, but I'll be shipping Forza until someone makes a better Forza. I'm currently working on collegiate leagues for racing games and let me tell you all the options have fallen drastically thanks to race rigs being expensive. As a game that's acceptable on both controllers and rigs , it makes sense to use Forza.

[@xXturbo86Xx]

There's always a much better Gran Turismo. Just as "accessible" and better in every way. Stop wasting your money.

[@pokeboi5438]

@@xXturbo86XxPD should drop GT7 on steam

[@danielredziniak2996]

@@xXturbo86Xxno the camera angle makes me sick on gt. Feels so boring and stiff

[@channe3049]

Assetto Corsa is a better game than Forza.