I Returned The Mac Mini M2 Pro

[@joesalyers]

Pro Tip to clean out idle RAM, open the terminal type, sudo purge, then enter your password and that will release any RAM that is not being used to free it up. Now for a little history lesson. MacOS is based on BSD IV and NetBSD 1.3 and the BSD family of operating systems are a bit different to Windows or even Linux in how they deal with RAM allocation. It's normal to see your RAM being used at an almost maximum capacity because this is what the OS needs for you to have a smooth experience. But if you are a creative who works in video editing and music production you should consider 32 gigs of RAM if you know you are a multitasking creative type. Working on multiple projects at the same time. If you are a single focused creative working on 1 task at a time 16 GB should be sufficient for 80% of users. But if you are a heavy video editor with say 4K compressed footage such as HEVC codecs you really should not go for the M-Pro chips and consider the M-Max chips if at all possible. The GPU core count matters for this type of work, but the GPU needs enough RAM just like on a GPU card to get work done. So most people wouldn't buy a Nvida 4070 GPU with 8GB of RAM today so why would you only get 16GB of RAM in a Mac, you only gave your CPU and GPU 16 GB total to work with, basically splitting it up between them. This video is informative and a great example of a real world experience with RAM allocation in real world tasks. It depends on the user but RAM is vital to a smooth working machine that has an integrated GPU for a system on chip design. Cheers!

[@BONES714]

This is great information and a good tip thanks!

[@joesalyers]

@@BONES714 Great Video showing how it effected you in your workflow!! Cheers!

[@BONES714]

@@joesalyers Glad I could help Joe!

[@cun7us]

For music production, most people say they're absolutely fine with 16GB of RAM. 32GB is likely going to be overkill as your computer won't be using even half of that, unless you have like 200+ tracks with a full orchestra and other apps open at the same time. It will certainly make it more future proof, but you're paying a pretty penny for something that you likely won't need. The main thing in music production is to have a good CPU which the M2 Pro certainly provides with its base 10-core. Video editing is different as it requires a stronger GPU.

[@joesalyers]

@@cun7us This is a misconception since music producers and engineers worry about CPU usage of plugins, but the GPU does matter. Stuttering plugin GUIs or those little pauses that cause you to wait while changing a knob or parameter in a plugin is all down to the GPU. Especially on a RISC chip like the new Apple M1/2 chips. So any plugin stuttering or long waits to open sessions from Pro Tools, Logic Pro, Garageband, Reaper Ableton and so on is 80% GPU. The difference of the M1 Pro and M1 Max in GPU stutters is stark. I own both. The M1 Max does have double the GPU cores and plugin stuttering isn't an issue but on the pro it is. They both have 32 gigs of RAM. So when I updated my other room at the studio this year I put a M2 Max Macbook Pro in there and it's been great. Sure the M1 & M2 pros are fine for CPU tasks and I considered a Mac Mini with the M2 Pro but the GPU matters more than many audio creators think. Hooking up external monitors taxes the GPU. So with the unified memory design of the Apple SOCs its important that you buy the best chip you can. Since all M1/2 Pros or M1/2 Max that have lower CPU or GPU core counts were defective with broken transistors and had certain parts that were disconnected to be sold as a lower end product which could lead to problems down the road. I'm not saying every binned chip is a bad chip but it does have flaws and that could be a problem down the road. 16 gigs of RAM was fine when you had a GPU with it's own dedicated Video RAM like many Intel Macs, but since the Apple SOCs share the RAM for both the CPU and GPU it is vital that you get as much as you can afford. Sample Libraries or Virtual instruments like Drum plugins, Samplers and synthesizers that use any form of Sampling need the RAM to store the Samples in to play them back in Real Time. So it does depend on the type of music you are doing. But the GPU is not just for video editing or those types of tasks. But if you can only choose one to upgrade the GPU or the RAM always go for the RAM on a ARM based Apple machine since it will be the bottleneck before the actual GPU gives you issues. The operating system will allocate a certain amount of RAM to the GPU and if it needs more it won't get it that is how the BSDs work and Apple's operating system is a BSD derived Unix certified operating system. But if a M1/2 Pro chip is what you can budget for then it will be a better experience than any of the windows alternatives for music production. Apple's Core Audio has been the gold standard for audio for 25 years and that isn't going to change anytime soon. Have a great day, Cheers!

[@voiceoverguyharris]

I know this is 6 months old but just did exactly this. MacMini Pro looked like a great deal, but similar, 16gb of Ram just not good enough, so did the 32gb Studio and so far so good, really happy. Great video. I wish you many more subs!

[@BONES714]

Thanks I appreciate it!

[@mohammedmahinuralam2796]

An honest review. Loved it.

[@BONES714]

Thank you I appreciate it

[@vewilli]

Well, I have the Mac mini M2 Pro, 1 TB SSD and 32 GB RAM, and I love that it runs so silent when the 2018 Intel Mac Mac mini (1 TB SSD and 32 TB RAM) got very loud already in my mini home-studio. And it‘s boot speed is extremely fast comparing to the „old“ one! I’m very satisfied with this machine …

[@flexairz]

Me too! Awesome machine

[@ank_kreativ]

Me too, i am happy with my Mini M2 Pro👍

[@brettb.345]

Same here. Works great.

[@Beauty.and.FashionPhotographer]

FCPX 4k video Timeline playback also stuttering on Mac Mini Pro m2 , 32 GB ram.. so maxed out.... and 1TB drive.. so the same issue as you have with premier pro.

[@BONES714]

Good to know!

[@leftofcenter4]

It depends on what you are doing.. me, I do music which doesn’t taxed the computer as much as video work. A M1 or M2 MM or MMPRO 8 or 16 U memory would run a pro tools HDX system just fine. And if you only do basic video editing 4k with limited effects you should be fine. I’Ll” be getting m2MM soon with 16 memory soon. But yep heavier editing film programs 32 is the baseline 64 to feel safe

[@BONES714]

Yup 32 is minimum for any real editing!

[@krunge]

Great video, nice to hear from someone like myself going from a iMac Pro to either a M2 Mac Mini or the Mac Studio which is the exact same upgrade path I'm looking into! Too bad that Apple refurbished program isn't available here in Denmark where I'm from. By the way, please turn the volume up on your next video, it's really low in this one compared to others and especially annoying when ads starts and are much louder.

[@BONES714]

Glad I could help! I take note on the volume adjustments

[@randallbrander8157]

M1 Max Mac Studio 1tb ssd and 64gb of memory is great. But I have the basic M1 Max Mac Studio and use the 4tb Samsung T6 for storage and the 512gb is doing well enough for me. I wished I upgraded to the 64gb of memory but then I would have to wait 6 weeks for it to arrive back in 2020. I like your choice of the refurbished computer.

[@BONES714]

I Think I'll probably end up keeping my 32GB 1TB SSD studio. 64GB would be nice but the cost for the extra 32GB is much harder to swallow. If Apple upgrades the studio With either the M2 or M3 chips in a year or two I'll be able to sell mine and still recoup some money back. Spending lots of money on mid or high level apple products to upgrade specs usually doesn't mean more money when it comes to resale. You got a great machine getting the basic M1 Max studio and should serve you for a bunch of years! Buying refurbished is always the way to go if you can. Saves money and still same warranty.

[@randallbrander8157]

@@BONES714 I would really love to have the M3 Imac. My 2017 IMac I5 7600 is still great with 64gb of memory. Slower Hyperdrive Hdd but at 4tb who cares. I got the external ssd also.

[@BONES714]

It’s hard to imagine Apple going back to a 27” iMac. Purely a guess but I think they are trying to go more green considering when your iMac gets old you have to throw the whole thing away vs now you just replace you mac studio or Mac mini

[@itsleonsimpson]

Thanks for doing this video. Most videos I have seen have said 16 is enough and that’s what I was half looking at. My machine now is constantly running out of ram and it’s good to get an indication from real use of what ram usage looks like.

[@BONES714]

Yeah there’s plenty of tech videos out there that go in really deep on these topics but for my workflow 16GB of ram just wasn’t enough. 32 is much more manageable. Lightroom classic is a beast when it comes to ram usage though so I would recommend closing out other applications if you need to use it.

[@itsleonsimpson]

@@BONES714 yeah Lightroom is defo a beat. I have mostly been ok with the memory swap but now the ssd is getting filled it’s slowing things down so much. I don’t imagine my workflow would be to different to yours.

[@COR0NAD0]

Why not get the Mac Studio Ultra vs Max? But if you have budget and cost is a reason, then I get, the why. Great video! Would you consider the Ultra?

[@chicharronasaurus]

I had the same issue. I returned and ordered a mini pro with 1tb and 32gb ram waiting for it to get here hopefully will be enough

[@BONES714]

Hope it works out well for you!

[@chicharronasaurus]

@@BONES714thanks! I tried to import like 1400 raw files into Lightroom and it ran out of memory. So hopefully 32 will solve that. I was in the same boat really tempted on getting the Mac Studio.

[@juddrizzo]

Great video for video producers. I’m trying to put together a pure Music Production machine first. I can’t wait to try Reaper on an M3 Mac mini w 16 GB of RAM and a 512 GB HD. (In gonna try it on my early 2009 iMac first.)

[@BONES714]

Best of luck!

[@WesleyClouden]

I always did a external M series Minis 4tb SSD NVMe as my main OS on the Mini for my production DIT setup

[@juglenzwaan626]

Funny, I returned the Apple Studio and bought the M2 Pro Mini. Best choice ever, I couldn’t stand the annoying continuous whine from the Desktop. The Mini is dead silent and extremely fast.

[@BONES714]

Everyones needs are different. My studio has been super quiet even under heavy loads. It's nice that apple has options for different consumers so everyone can find what they need. Especially being able to try each computer out with free returns to figure out which one fits best!

[@juglenzwaan626]

​@@Toniiy I have owned them both and I can confirm that the Mini is inaudible and the Studio constantly makes an irritating noise/whine...

[@jonrods3415]

Which config do tou have? Thanks

[@GeekShhh]

You never run out of ram on apple silicon it trades w the storage when u need more ram. Your good with just the mac mini.

[@BONES714]

The Mac mini was a great machine but the Mac Studio fit my needs better

[@robsteal3887]

Glad I saw this video. You bring up some great points. Thanks for posting.

[@BONES714]

Glad it was helpful!

[@elijahmant2855]

Hey, Brett. thanks for the video. Mmmmmmm......Interesting. I've been on the fence for so long whether to purchase this mac pro 2 mini. Still not sure.

[@BONES714]

Definitely check out Apple refurbished section whatever you do. You can save a few bucks going that route

[@bowieknife]

Can you share the details of your workflow, programs you have opened / using?

[@BONES714]

I had Lightroom, Premiere Pro, iTunes, and multiple webpages to say the least

[@bowieknife]

@@BONES714 thank you

[@robbienayuh]

What program took up all that ram?? Im currently looking at the mini m2 pro. Want to do some photo editing and light video editing. You dont think the mini will hold?

[@BONES714]

Lightroom demands a bunch of memory. The mini m2 pro can handle a bunch of tasks it just comes down to if you want to future proof yourself. I’ve never regretted getting as much RAM as possible

[@omadlom]

Thanks for the video man. I’m in a similar dilemma. I’ve got a 2019 Intel iMac, and desperately need to upgrade and I was going to go for the Mac mini M2 pro but I think I’ll go for the M2 Max studio

[@BONES714]

That’s a good move

[@TheThaiLife]

When I heard you say "stock 16-gigs of ram", I kind of expected that was the reason. Pretty much everyone says 32GB is kind of the happy place and that's my experience. I watched my memory pressure on my Macbook Air M1 and climbed the expensive Apple upgrade ladder to the 32 on the M2 Macbook Max 16" is literally the first computer I can't touch the power of. I had to download a blender 2gb sample file to peg it out, just to see what that looked like. Dude, the Studio was a sweet move. Definately for $90 and from Apple, I'd have jumped on that too. Nice video man.

[@BONES714]

Hey thank you so much. I think 32GB is a good place to be if you are a multitasker which memory intensive programs.

[@TheThaiLife]

@@BONES714 Totally. I also use HVEC with my Sony A7IV and it flies through the footage. When I look at my pressure with a full 10-min video with a few overlapping sources it's usually 24GB, plus. Sometimes full 32 with 1 or 2GB scratch. But to touch this system's performance, I had to download and render a 2GB Blender sample file. I was really curious but even during that, I was able to watch KZbin. Even with all 38 graphics cores and CPU at 90% and fans quietly humming. BUT, if I wasn't in Thailand and could get a refurb Studio Ultra, I would do it. I wouldn't do a refurb M1 Macbook Pro because they some buffer bottle necks that choked things before they had to be. However; next year and a half, the 3 nanometer will smoke everything, including us. That is the big jump, this is just the modified M1 with core tweaks, overclocked and buffer issue fixed. But I can barely touch the power so I'll be jealous but won't move until 3 years from now with OLED. (I'm a laptop guy)

[@sbrave]

Great info. What about the difference between the M2 and M1(mac studio) chips Seems like ram was a bigger issue for you?

[@BONES714]

I have and M2 Max MacBook Pro with 96GB ram and a M1 Max studio with 32GB RAM and I would say the M2 Max is faster slightly but for price difference I don’t think it would be worth the cost.

[@glennclarke9442]

Thank you for this review, Brett.

[@BONES714]

No worries!

[@sharonb.9128]

Great video. I’ve seen several reviewers and I think the more Ram you have the more the M chip uses. It’s spread out to improve cooling and efficiency. I’m not a techie but I think it’s something like that. Alex Ziskind and Max Tech probably have several videos on how the SOC uses RAM. Before you spend more money, videos about how the M- series uses memory might be helpful.

[@BONES714]

Those are valid points thank for the tips!

[@HeangKoing]

Any modern OS will use more ram the more you have. This is a good thing and I don't know why people want loads of free ram. It just mean you have to load from the SSD. Yes it's fast, but it's order of magnitude slower than having memory in ram. If you give a system 64GB it'll use more even with the same work load as a 32GB system. It'll be a smoother experience and in some heavy use cases 32GB isn't enough for a smooth experience. Also with the M chips the ram is shared between the GPU cores also. You don't have dedicated vram like on a traditional PC.

[@askpatt9773]

Awesome video. I’m currently on a 2017 iMac too, with 64gb ram and was opting for the m2 pro for heavy graphic work. Though this video may have swayed me to go the Mac Studio route haha

[@BONES714]

That’s what I did and I’m happy with my purchase

[@varunramachandran7879]

2$ can solve the card reader problem. 32g RAM and 1TB SSD with M2 chip is something I'll consider over a basic used studio.

[@LeeHarris]

memory problems maybe fixed with new OSX update.

[@dexterpadgitt2900]

honest to the point thank you

[@BONES714]

Glad I could help!

[@Coopervise]

I think that the amount of videos saying that 16GB baseline is enough is the problem I believe. My 2004 MBP has 16GB 10 years later I need more ram. I purchased the same specs as you except I knew I would want to max out the ram to 32GBs & 1TB storage. There’s also quite a few I returned it videos from creators who bought baseline models.

[@BONES714]

Yeah you never really hear people complaint they purchased to much memory. It’s always a good investment.

[@TrogART]

Every mac I have ever had I have put in as much RAM as I could afford, with these new ones I would debate however how much hard drive space and would go for external SSD drives that actually can be faster.

[@BONES714]

Everyone’s budget and workflow is different. Spending money on ram is important you won’t regret having to much ram

[@beysan_tasci]

Hello, thank you for the video, I want to ask a question: When you are working on how many photos (raw, jpeg?) and how long and large a video, the ram is approaching the limit value (16 gb.). ? I am an amateur photographer and memoirs (raw) and memento videos are 4k 60p. I shoot and edit. Do you think 16gb will be enough for me?

[@BONES714]

I work with raw files. If you are doing video work I would go with the studio if you are doing mostly photo I would go with the Mac mini with 32 gigs of ram.

[@tomasberg3374]

Great video, thanks. I'm almost in the same situation, should I return my Mini PRO for Studio, I'm not sure yet. I use Lightroom and will have an app for videos in the future and think 32 GB would be better but will 512 GB SSD slow my process compared to 1 TB?? Think 1 TB in the studio will be too expensive.

[@BONES714]

I got a refurb studio for less than 2k with a 1TB hard drive. If you have thousands of dollars in camera gear you shouldn’t skimp out on a computer. You don’t need to have the most expensive computer but don’t let a couple hundred dollars prevent you from getting the work you need to get done in order to make money. You don’t want your post work to be bottlenecked because of your computer.

[@tomasberg3374]

@@BONES714 thanks for your responce and good thoughts.

[@transitengineer]

Thank you, for sharing your experience and this is very useful information. From a cost perspective an M-2 "Mac Studio" is better than an upgraded M-2 "mac mini" Pro model. However, I much prefer the smaller size and form factor of the "mac mini" Pro. So, I am will to pay more, just to get less (smile...smile).

[@BONES714]

Glad it was helpful!

[@jmotions07]

Thank you for your video I ask something about mac mini or mac studio tomorrow

[@accentontheoff]

Thanks for this. It is a bit worrying though that 16GB - or even 32GB - isn’t fully sufficient. Mind sharing some key details about the apps / workflow you use? Also, are they optimised for M1 / M2, or do you run them via Rosetta.

[@BONES714]

I use Adobe creative suite. Lightroom was the worst at RAM usage. Premiere and photoshop where better at handling it. I will usually have multiple webpages open, Lightroom, premiere, iTunes, Dropbox, and activity monitor running all simultaneously.

[@accentontheoff]

@@BONES714 Ah ok. Maybe they’ll get better over time. Thanks for the reply.

[@spoketube]

@@BONES714 Curious if your LR catalog is over the 10,000 image limit that they once recommended a few years back? I'm surprised LR was the worst RAM offender... but I'm a regular LR user and this is valuable consideration when comparing M2 Pro Mini vs Studio as I anticipate upgrade (from sluggish 2015 5k Intel i7 iMac) this year. My iMac also tends to crash if I'm working an Affinity Designer graphic containing 40-50 layers (prob not a challenge for M2 Pro Mini as it's not video, just still gfx). Thanks for any thoughts on this.

[@jamesl.223]

My 2 cents: I think your blaming the Mac for what is really adobes fault (buttery smooth video editing in FCP but garbage in Pr on same machine for example) . The truth is that 15 years ago I ran the adobe line on the current (at time) hardware and it worked light and nimble. Now, doing the same functions just leaks ram and I can not remember the last time that I enjoyed using any of adobe suite (Pr, Ai, Ps) they have added very little useable functions and slowed their own software down with features no one is using but at least they get me for 50 bucks per month, so i guess that is progress in adobe world.

[@BONES714]

Everyone’s workflow is different my job provides me with the Adobe platform so that’s what I use and have been accustomed to.

[@furiousdoe7779]

You where lucky perhaps that a refurbished MACSTUDIO in that config. I just went on and got the MacMini Pro wit 1TB and 32Gb Ram . I hope that my option was better … longer backed.

[@BONES714]

Either option Mac Studio or mini are both great machines

[@randallbrander8157]

Good Choice! Well Done! Cheers!

[@BONES714]

Thank you I hope you enjoy yours too!

[@MarcosBacon-SoundDesign]

9gb RAM usage using Lightroom? Isn´t there a setting with less buffer? I'm not in this industry, so I really don't know. It just sounds a bit highter than i would expect.

[@BONES714]

Lightroom is a hog, you can use smart previews as well as a few other preferences to help the performance but no matter what you do it’s still a beast when it comes to RAM usage

[@michaelch7529]

What kind of photo are you working that it max out a 16GB ram?

[@BONES714]

Lightroom is a beast when it comes to memory usage

[@johndurg]

Do you miss that 27” 5k screen?

[@BONES714]

I ended up getting the studio display which is basically the same thing so it’s kind of like I have the best of both worlds

[@C4Crotona]

Hmmmm got me thinkin brotha. I do rap music. But only use a few plug ins because I dont really mix.. but what I will be doing is shooting music videos. Dont know if ill use Final cut. Definitely use to capcut right now.. was thinking of just upgrading the to 32 with the 1 terabyte.. but that mac studio is super tempting with that sd card slot. Sheesh. I know i can just buy the dongle but idk. I got much to think about.

[@BONES714]

Yeah there are some options to consider!

[@JJ-fq3dh]

I have a M2 mini pro 32G 1TB 12 CPUs, it runs great no issues, BUT , it does get hot, Im not returning it , but I think I would have been much happier with a M1 Studio , heat always worries me for some reason. I use TGPRO in AutoMAx mode, since the fan in system mode does not rev up much until about 190f .

[@BONES714]

That’s essentially what I was looking at building out if I would’ve kept the mini. I’m happy with a base model studio with a 1TB ssd

[@Featherlightstudio]

Great video, love the intro! We did the exact same thing, had the M2 Pro and returned if for the M1 Max Studio. Loved the form factor but the M2 pegged the 16 gig limit quick and choked under heavy video loads. The Studio seems to handle things a bit differently as well, better memory allocation and MUCH cooler at sustained full stress renders (Audio and video)

[@BONES714]

For the price it just makes more sense. The Mac mini is incredible and I wanted it to work for me but the Studio will work better for me for the time being.

[@TeaganMcLaren]

This is a great video - I have to return my Mac Mini because I also need 32 GB of unified memory. This video really helped me, thank you!

[@BONES714]

So glad I could Help!

[@MusicAnirban]

Shouldn’t be a mac mini with 32gb RAM, 1 TB with an M2 pro processor be faster and efficient than a Mac Studio with similar specs but an M1 max processor? What am I missing?

[@BONES714]

Max studio has more gpu cores which are better for me in my work flow. Has front facing IO and better thermals. Mini m2 pro is great just depends on your needs

[@michaelreaves6212]

This was very helpful, thanks for making this video! I have been debating if 32 GB RAM will be enough, and it looks like I may just need to get the Studio with 64 GB to have no regrets.

[@BONES714]

That would be a solid option!

[@justinfinch]

What about hdmi 2.1 120hz on the Mac mini M2 pro?

[@BONES714]

I personally don’t need that as I use a studio display

[@justinfinch]

@@BONES714 Understood, but I think this is an additional long term benefit and most reviews are not mentioning this.

[@crazyjane01]

Hello. I have an old iMac Retina 2014 (Intel Core i5, 32GB RAM, FusionDrive 1.12TB), unfortunately apple no longer supports and won't let me install new os updates, so I can't install Lightroom. I tried to install os unofficially /I have Ventura there now/, it works fine, only Lightroom is slow. Would it make sense for a Mac mini for m2 16GB (would it be better?) and would it connect to an Imac and use it at least as a monitor? Or it is better Mac M1 max studio?Thanks

[@BONES714]

Any of those will make your computing experience far better since your current machine is a decade old. Lightroom is a memory hog so the more you can get to start the better. Your old iMac cannot be used as a standalone monitor unless you do some type of altering which I know nothing about.

[@crazyjane01]

@@BONES714 Thank for reply. I have new macbook air m2, but I'm thinking how to use the old imac as well and and make photos on the big screen. it works fine for browsing the internet, youtube, movies...only the loghtroom is bad. I see Luna displey, maybe it would work.

[@cszulu2000]

I hate that you cannot upgrade your Mac mini. Huge mistake. I still have my 2011 Mac for specific use, and I still have it because I can upgrade...

[@avijitdey4451]

Is mac mini m2 pro base model a good pc for video editing ?

[@BONES714]

Yeah you can totally use it for video editing, it has its limitations but just no that going in

[@normalizedaudio2481]

Tahoe is killiing it.

[@BONES714]

It’s crazy how they are shutting down the resort because of to much snow

[@RSV9]

I bought a refurbished iPad Pro 12.9" years ago but and works fine, but in a matter of macs, I don't know if it's worth it for the use they gave previously. Now there are several mac studio with different upgrades and prices, including a mac m1 max with 32GB/1TB. I wonder, if the configuration is the same, why do they have different prices? ($1,979 and $2,159). Could it be because the ssd is more used? And how much degradation is still acceptable. I ordered a mac mini m2 pro base model, let's see how it goes.

[@BONES714]

If you look in to it there are differences. One might have more cores, memory, or hardrive space.

[@RSV9]

@@BONES714 Yes, you are right ! There is still the problem of the degradation of the ssd and the price reduction that does not seem enough to me.

[@vagoguy]

i'm actually in the same debate. i have 2017 macbook pro 16G 2.9 GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7. using it for lightroom, photoshop, luminar, davinci simple video editing, and also music production with vsts. currently i need to close off programs work properly - and i still have lags. not sure if the best option for me is the M1 Studio 32G or 64G (10c CPU 32c GPU) or the Mini with M2 pro 32G 12c CPU 19c GPU. - will the 32G be enough or do i need the 64G? - which will be faster - youtubers finds that in some ways the m2 is faster, in others the m1 is. both will be much faster than what i currently have. - should i wait a couple of months until the M2 comes to the studio? as for the memory - i think i'll go for the 1T but also ordered an extrernal case that is capable of same r/w speeds as the internal. WDYT?

[@BONES714]

I based my purchase on we don’t know when Apple will or if they will update the studio. The Mac Pro is scheduled to come out before anything from what I’ve heard. So many variables going from the m2 pro to the studio. Lightroom is the most heavy user of ram I’ve found in my real world usage. For me the mac studio makes more sense for extra ports and getting it refurbished saved me some extra coin but the Mac mini m2 pro is no slouch just needed the 32 gigs of ram especially for using Lightroom

[@cylack]

Most people seem to think the Studio won't be updated until 2024 to allow Apple to differentiate it from the about to be released Mac Pro.

[@vagoguy]

@@BONES714 found an M1 Studio Pro 2nd hand (3M used with 3Y warranty) 10C CPU 24C GPU 32G RAM. so the main q, will 32G will be enough?

[@vim92]

Im still so confused if I should stick to my mac mini m2 pro with 32gb memory or return it and get the Mac studio M1 max with 64gb memory. I do lots of graphic design work and occasional video work. Can someone please advise?

[@BONES714]

what's your memory pressure look like under normal workload? If its peaking in the red or hanging out in the yellow you probably need 64GB

[@brucekennedy5274]

Thanks dude, when the Mac Studio came out, I was really holding for something like the miniPro - thinking it would be plenty, but I got the Studio because I couldn’t wait forever. Vids like this are good to watch as I’m glad I didn’t hang around, only to wonder why later.

[@BONES714]

Glad I could help!

[@AngeAlexiel]

the mini M2 pro is awesome, but there is a known issue with the 10 Gps Ethernet port , where at rare occasion the Mac will sorta be offline, despite Ethernet and wifi in sys pref having a green dot. I have exchanged once already with apple , but the second one I got finally had the same issue after 15 days of no problem, most ppl think it is software, cos there is a workaround, the only pb is if you restart, you need to do this workaround in order to not having this bug, the weird thing is that when the ethernet is falling, the wifi doesn't work despite apparently showing that it is , I've never seen this issue on a Mac . and I can return it again and choose the studio, what bugs me about the studio is just the fact that the IO are not up to date, no Wifi 6E, no Bluetooth 5.3, and no HDMI 2.1 ... it's really a shame otherwise I would have taken the Studio . I 'm really undecided at this point. but both are great machines and the issue with the 10 Gpbs port on the M2 pro only ( not the regular M2 ) seems to be software...

[@BONES714]

Very good points I don't necessarily think there is a better machine. Different people require different needs. Bang for your buck if you can get by with the M2 Mac mini pro it is a great buy, but if you need more that's where the Mac Studio becomes an options depending on your needs.

[@AngeAlexiel]

@@BONES714 ueah I finally decided to return the mini because I cannot be sure if it's software or hardware, and I've ordered a Studio , a bit less CPU power but way more GPU power , if I was sure the M2 pro mini 10 Gbs Ethernet port was a software issue, I think Iwould have kept it . but it's so weird that even the wifi stop working when this occurs... I would have preferred a refresh to the Mac Studio to the M2 standards but apparently this isn't gonna happen ... ^^

[@BONES714]

@@AngeAlexiel yeah you got to get what you need right now and now wait for the mights or maybe when apple decides to update or refresh something

[@herbertkornfield2020]

Why don't you edit with FCPX?

[@BONES714]

Adobe is what my company provides for us to use.

[@bobbyright2010]

How big is your TV?

[@dashcammer4322]

I usually buy as much as I can easily afford, whether it's a house, a computer, a car, etc. Never buy less than you can easily afford, yo avoid "underbuyer's remorse".

[@BONES714]

Whatever works for your budget!

[@Amantiu5]

The only difference in your studio is that there is no M2 pro chip just M1 max I would spend the extra money on getting the 32 on your mini but I’m on the verge of buying as well and through all of these videos and people I’m just going to get the 32 gig

[@Amantiu5]

My workflow is crazy to plugins galore I know it’s expensive to add it, but fuck if you’re going the distance, you might as well go the whole way

[@BONES714]

I do love having the extra ports and SD card reader and the extra cores. I don’t know what it is but the studio feels more like a premium machine vs the mini. The mini is great but when your comparing prices after configuring your set up they are so close you just have to figure out what you need which isn’t always easy.

[@Amantiu5]

@@BONES714 yeah man that’s where I’m at

[@aepeters2]

Think you should have waited to see what Apple comes with this month, you might have gotten an M2 Mac Studio

[@BONES714]

With no definitive timelines on Apple products I had to go with what’s available now.

[@frazerweb]

If editing photos requires so much ram and memory, may have to wait for the M4 Pro max to run photoshop.

[@BONES714]

You may be waiting awhile haha

[@stephenvalente3296]

It's insane to think that 32Gb could not be enough for doing work these days. If Apples upgrade costs weren't so ridiculous, speccing out to 32Gb or 64Gb wouldn't be such a hard thought process. Same goes for the storage costs. Bring those costs down and more people would opt for BTO Macs, making Apple more money in the long run. I really think if Apple put out a new Studio later in the later, they will jump straight to the M3 chip variants to stretch out that gap between it and the Mac Mini M2 Pro.

[@BONES714]

It’s crazy right. I’ve learned to that Lightroom is a memory hog.

[@bryans8656]

I've had the base M1 Studio Max for a year now so I'm biased, but I think you made an excellent choice for all the reasons you cited. I opted for the base model because I have 2TB of external SSD storage and drive speed isn't an issue (as I suspect it might be in your situation).

[@BONES714]

The only spec I did was bump the 512GB to the 1TB

[@bryans8656]

@@BONES714 Yep, I caught that. What I was trying to say is that your 1TB of internal storage is much faster than my external storage, which I'm guessing benefits your work flow.

[@BONES714]

@@bryans8656 absolutely, being able to store files locally on my internal drive creates better work flow for me.

[@jnoreman]

You said hard drive about five times. Neither of those machines have hard drive, they both have solid state drives. Thank goodness.

[@BONES714]

I’m not a professional reviewer so my terminology isn’t perfect. Sorry I couldn’t be more helpful.

[@jnoreman]

@@BONES714 nah, your assessment was helpful. Just trying to clarify the term for you for the future.

[@lynardstewart524]

Which one is best use to trade forex ??? Mac mini m2 or the Mac mini pro?

[@BONES714]

I’m not familiar with what your talking about

[@quartetkebab]

I have returned my Mac Mini M2 Pro because it was incredibly SLOW. Sometimes slower than M1. Here is the proof: kzbin.info/www/bejne/p6O9Y2WNd9ijZpY

[@bjtwuk]

Why do you keep saying “hard drive”?

[@BONES714]

I'm not a professional reviewer. I should've been saying SSD. I'm sorry this video wasn't helpful for you.

[@tomscott4438]

You constantly mention your workflow, but give no specifics. Are you editing 40MB full frame RAW images? 8K video? Without knowing exactly what programs and apps you have running, it’s difficult to draw any useful conclusions from your experience.

[@BONES714]

I edit full raw photos shot from a canon R5 in Lightroom classic, sometimes I need to use photoshop as well. I edit video in premiere at 4K 60fps. I have safari, podcasts, and usually another app open at the same time. Hopefully that’s more helpful for you Tom.

[@epcalderhead]

Dust worries on the Studio? I'd probably flip that baby over permanently and fashion some kind of a dust filter. Stupid design to put the air intake at the bottom.

[@mark-ze4en]

one of my concerns is with the Macs, you don't know what SSD is being installed. I can't get definitive answers on that question. I don't know what Ramm is actually used . It's an integrated chip so what is the quality of the ram installed?? I have been looking at building an Intel board because the new processors, while eating more power seem to be very good. Problem this week is,, ASUS has totally burned all their customers with Beta Bios configs that void your warranty. How is anyone supposed to trust their products? They shouldn't. But, few intel Boards have Thunderbolt connectivity or even USB 3.2 for that matter. So the industry as a whole really sucks right now. Hate to say it but politics is probably influencing these shite market strategies. Good Luck!

[@SeattleGenXDude]

Problem is Macs use shared memory for video and processing.

[@dwpix]

This guy said the same thing four times. I was in less then the 3 min mark…

[@BONES714]

I’m not a professional reviewer, sorry I couldn’t be more helpful.

[@dwpix]

@@BONES714 I didn’t want to be harsh. Just thought you might like to know that such repetition can be wearisome to the intelligent. Peace

[@bearzilla2462]

If your workflow requires close to 32GB, then you're doing something seriously wrong.

[@AlbertoPDLT]

can you elaborate? this comment is rather useless otherwise

[@nativestrong7253]

@@AlbertoPDLTreferring to not knowing how to compartmentalize a project. You don’t drop 2 hours of 4K footage on any timeline.

[@lalitsharma3137]

Why won't you use a PC? It's just cost effective. You can go as high as you want with the same amount of money.

[@BONES714]

My Mac Studio is working great

[@lalitsharma3137]

@@BONES714 😂😂I know. But that isn't the point. There's just no reason to pay those atrocious apple pricess. Especially in the desktop market. But you do you. 😔🍏

[@BONES714]

@@lalitsharma3137 This video wasn't about PC vs Apple and who can do what cheaper. Sorry this video wasn't helpful for you.

[@lalitsharma3137]

@@BONES714 Yeah it's fine. It's your money so give it to Apple for free if you want. Anyways! I wish you good luck in whatever you set out to do and may god give you enough in life that you can continue fueling the share prices of Apple Inc.✌

[@jumanjimusic4094]

16gb for content creation and editing lol xD if you want a mac studio atleast wait for m2

[@BONES714]

Problem is we have no idea when or if the M2 studio is coming out. Great deals can be found on the M1 studio right now and it works.

[@movieblues4614]

Of course you returned it. You only ordered it for clicks.

[@BONES714]

I was really thinking it would have worked for me. Sorry this video wasn’t more helpful for you.

[@mex5341]

newbie

[@BONES714]

Sweet dude thanks!

[@zeus1117]

Lightroom uses 16GB while editing a photo? WTH ? Ditch that piece of sh application...Adobe all together I would say....they just simply can't produce good Software for some time now..I would also say for professional work you need a professional equipment, which by definition means the ability to replace SSD and RAM in case of upgrade or defect.

[@BONES714]

My work provides me with Adobe creative suite. I have been using Apple products for 20 years professionally and they haven’t left me down.

[@rickved]

How to get more subscribers: Don't wear a hoody, shave your beard, don't wear a hat indoors, never wear a hat backwards. especially backwards). Be cool; don't be a mountain man.

[@BONES714]

Sorry this video didn’t help you.

[@JamesLauricia7]

@Beardmeatsfood

[@BONES714]

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