I should have used this a LONG time ago!

[@IslandFenix]

2:07 - YES PLEASE. An up to date head to head comparison of rad performance would do wonders, especially with these modern components running hot.

[@jamos169]

This! Please

[@quantum5661]

on the topic, if this happens some small itx rads should also be included

[@narwhal9852]

Probably a couple of degrees apart like they all are 😂

[@rickysargulesh1053]

Please Jay. We need some performance comparisons. Xtremerigs did the best but stopped doing it years ago

[@paskowitz]

All rads are within a few degrees of one another and the more rads you have, the less the difference becomes. HOWEVER... Watercool rads are just higher quality than anything else out there. The finish is more durable and more premium than EK/HWL/Corsair/Alphacool and even things like the stainless steel screws are a step up. So, it's not just performance to consider.

[@phenomanII]

Nice to see some Heatkiller stuff on here. Given the fact that EK seems to be moving into the higher pricepoint, it is about time to show them what they're up against.

[@DanielFrost79]

BUT, their quality is unmatched especially when it comes to a dedicated waterloop. (EKWB)

[@monsterGLL]

@@DanielFrost79 Had two EK GPU blocks get a crack. Never happend with Heatkiller or phanteks.

[@varmastiko2908]

@@DanielFrost79 Almost unmatched in negative customer reviews it would seem. They have a history of a lot of variation in quality.

[@jakkiryanov9859]

@@DanielFrost79 Cant tell if trolling or not, EK quality pails in comparison to Heatkiller or Optimus lol

[@AutodidactEngineer]

​@@DanielFrost79HardwareLabs is better

[@Caeric77]

FYI, you can purchase the Heatkiller Badge (little metal plate) separately, so even if you bend it you can replace it 🙂

[@XenonArcher]

you can just take the white pieces off and swap them over. jay tried to flip the piece then put it back on the same side lol. if he put it on the other side it wouldve worked.

[@KevinIrish]

​@@XenonArcher exactly what I was thinking. Hopefully Jay figured that out before grabbing the heat gun.

[@claudetesh1265]

@@XenonArcherlipping the brackets would put the notches for the fittings on the wrong side wouldn’t it? It doesn’t seem to have notches on the other end. Also the over all dimensions are asymmetrical so you would have to tap new holes or cut about a half inch off the white sides after you flip it. He even mentioned this after he brought up the heat gun.

[@sparkyenergia]

@@claudetesh1265 I think they mean, you take the left piece and put it on the right side. But I also don't think this would work because I think there was only one relief cut for the fitting on the decorative side panel so it can only be mounted one way.

[@Macroproxy]

​@@XenonArcher This. I was cringing.

[@Creating_Space]

Watercool is the brand, Heatkiller is the product line. Great products.

[@MakinComputers]

Sat here screaming at the TV "IT'S WATERCOOLING YOU BUFFOON!!!", it's a proper pet peeve of mine and if he's been an admirer of them for so long he should know that. My absolute favourite watercooling brand, total metal pron. 🤤 Also describing aquacomputer as a boutique brand is a joke. Been around a long long time, make a shed load of gear, make THE best fan controllers of all time, continue to innovate with stuff like the leakshield.

[@varmastiko2908]

@@MakinComputers Watercool, not watercooling. Also 'boutique brand' means low volume high end products. Very fitting for Aquacomputer who indeed have high quality and low supply.

[@MakinComputers]

@@varmastiko2908 god dam auto correct. 🙄 Aquacomputer is not a boutique brand at all. Their stuff is sold everywhere, just look at the number of different CPU block models they make, it's mental. Just because they don't churn out as much volume as ek, which have only recently emerged as the market leader, doesn't mean they automatically become boutique. Boutique would be proper limited run stuff like optimus

[@POVwithRC]

​@@MakinComputers 🤓

[@MrAsphyxious]

yikes. bit of a miss there.

[@sixstar2067]

You can get anodized aluminum washers for use with those types of countersunk screws on flat surfaces. They come in all different colors and can add a classy touch to your fasteners. Theyre commonly used in RC cars.

[@Gnrnrvids]

yeah they would bling it up nicely.

[@stephen1r2]

Was looking for this comment. I knew I could not be the only person screaming "Washers!" at the screen

[@sixstar2067]

@@stephen1r2 Yeah I was shocked that Jay didn't seem to know about them. Even regular washers would work, just wouldn't look as clean.

[@CodyDavey]

I am pretty sure it is intended to use rubber isolation washers for vibration reduction

[@sixstar2067]

@@CodyDavey no reason one couldn't use both. Although if we are talking about intent, why then did the manufacturer not include rubber washers?

[@jonnas1977]

i realized that if you can take those side panels off you should be able to swap the sides. so if the fitting side is facing you swap the left and right side covers not spin them from front to back.

[@FastSloth87]

The side without the fittings doesn't have the curved bit, but I don't think that would be an issue.

[@benfowler2127]

I had the same thought, but 14:49

[@jonnas1977]

@@benfowler2127 i know he tried just flipping them over. i was saying change the sides each one is on. so based in its current orientation in the video the front side panel on the rear side of the radiator and the rear side panel on the front side of the radiator.

[@benfowler2127]

@@jonnas1977 Ah, I guess I didn’t realize he only flipped them end for end and not side to side. My bad.

[@jonnas1977]

@@benfowler2127 all good.

[@Hjorth87]

I'm really not into water cooling, but your enthusiasm carries it for me. It's interesting to hear a knowing person talk about something they are genuinely interested it 😊

[@STAG162]

7:55 what you call a tapered head, is also known more commonly as "countersunk" and more used for woodwork applications. 11:30 they need washers

[@Thom101]

As a machinist we call them flat-head screws, inch are 82 degree countersink and metric are 90 degree. What Jay was calling flat-head can either be called button head or pan head depending on the shape. I normally work with socket head cap screws. And the countersink washers are very nice to have.

[@Nekocha3359]

hey jay! i dont know if youll see this but in automotive debadging they use fishing line to peel off the badges, that might work with the radiator sticker

[@its_goul]

14:50 thats exactly what i was thinking the whole time you were talking about heating the badge and putting it upside down lol

[@pinsandscrews6459]

Not sure if anyone has mentioned, but a good Fishing line can be used instead of a Spudger, allowing the line to stay flat to the rad, and not bending the badge.

[@smartgorilla]

That's what they do with cars

[@Scarecrow-zr3zx]

The reason the fan holes are slotted is for ease of alignment/assembly. Also, I use washers to fix the issue of small screws and larger holes

[@chevelle70ss350]

YES, pump out the water cooling videos please! I would also be interested in an retrospective history of water cooling from someone who has been doing it for 20 years. Currently working on older hardware builds and there is surprising little hands-on info out there to follow.

[@Kailis89]

I just bought 3 of these for my first watercooling build because I loved their look, and was really impressed with their finish. And confident in the German engineering behind them and the other components from Watercool and Aquacomputer I got

[@DiddyMoe]

I am not that familiar with watercooling stuff. If I was to make my next build right now, I would have went with EK stuff for watercooling but I am so glad to learn of this brand. I appreciate the exploration of all the different brands of watercooling. This really is a damn beautiful rad.

[@petercasburn637]

Love the watercooling stuff from Jay, reason I started watching the channel and got into it myself. More please!

[@OmegaBlack999]

Always look forward to your custom water builds. Thanks, Jay!!

[@treyshoaf]

Love the watercooling content. Just made my first watercooled build thanks to all your helpful videos.

[@aldenp547]

I love the watercooling content! You are the reason I was able to do my first custom loop last month!!

[@hhk518]

The holy trinity of the German water cooling system Alphacool, Watercool and Aquacomputer. But Aquasuit and MoRa are the holy grail.

[@AlphaMachina]

The holes are there in the side of the shroud because they probably used to have a badge that was riveted on, but more recently went to one that uses adhesive instead.

[@meson183]

Would love to see more reviews of Watercool Heatkiller products. I think their waterblocks look awesome.

[@juanrondon3797]

Hands down some of the best cooling stuff, love my MORA 420, it is pure quality and the performance is insane.

[@pecc20]

I believe the side pieces can still be turned so that they are not upside down. If you not just rotate the piece and put it on the same side of the radiator but put it on the opposite side I think it should do the trick. Correct me if I'm wrong since I have not seen this rad in person.

[@PropensityGames]

I'm using the Heatkiller pump/res in my new build. Full glass reservoir, which not only feels like good quality, but I believe it will last being non-reactive to dyes and such. Watercool (the brand that makes the Heatkiller line of products), seems to be very function first (they also make industrial-grade products), but I really like their form as well.

[@chrisbraun72]

DUDE!!! Your teaser clips weren't kidding!!!I can't wait to see you completely geek out on a new iCUE Link custom water cooled build! All those temp sensors in every component will keep you experimenting for HOURS! And let's not forget all the new info SCREENS!

[@MrVengance32]

Use some of those plastic washers (the ones used to protect mobo from CPU mount) for the radiator screws! They won't damage your case paint, and can provide some vibration isolation.

[@Gearhead9415Gaming]

You could swap the white caps to have the heat killer the right way but instead of flipping then from top to bottom move it to the other side of the rad

[@trembledust6819]

Wow you brought me back mentioning all those brands. I remember having an Aquacomputer Kryos Next w/ vision cpu block. mmm loved it. I'm an alphacool fanboy specifically cross flow rads. I havent used a conventional flow rad in years. Thanks for the vid!

[@FerralVideo]

You can, in fact, flip the side rails around. Take the one for the left side and put it on the right, and vice versa. That'll flip the logo over while still maintaining the screw spacing.

[@hadleys.4869]

I love the look and performance of the newer EK Quantum Surface radiators. I went with Two EK QS X480M radiators in my Corsair 1000D. You also have to remember that most of EK products are made in Europe rather than being outsourced to China, like the majority of water cooling companies do.

[@willsohrnberger2441]

Use braided fishing line to get under the badge and saw the adhesive! It's what you do on cars to get badges off so you can polish paint.

[@rekareaper]

9:05 The holes are oblong to support more radiators. Some radiators have the mounting holes at 16mm on center and other have them at 15mm.

[@NAMOR5000]

Hello Jay, YES I like this type of content. A deeper look into materials is always interesting. Keep up the good work. Respect !

[@DZeroENT]

Jay, by far, my favorite water cooling enthusiast. I hope one day all the information he's provided to be used in my first custom water cooling venture.

[@Stop_Pre-Ordering_Video_Games]

I just bought 2 of their _sort of_ square aluminum and glass D5 reservoirs... genuinely the best reservoirs I've ever seen.

[@329376676]

What I love about o11e is how many stuff you can fit in there. I'm runing two 44mm 360 and one 44mm 280, and the back can probably fit a 120 too.

[@bisterkding9249]

15:05 While the side panels aren't symmetrical you can swap the left one to the right side and the right one to the left side to achieve the effect you want, which is flipping the logo's orientation upside down

[@boam2943]

You can't. As I explained in another comment, @15:50 you can see that only the flap on one side has a cut for the fittings, the other does not. So, swapping them blocks the ports.

[@93LT1RamAir]

@@boam2943 you can tho. He's not talking just switching sides, not flipping them over.

[@boam2943]

@@93LT1RamAir It would be nice if you explained why you think it works rather than just say it can. If you take the left panel and flip it in place it will not work because, as Jay said in the video, the parts are not symmetrical. If you try to use the left panel on the right side, you have the flap cut problem I described in previous comments. If you really see a way to do it, you should describe how and help everyone else.

[@EmoEmu]

I've been looking at a bunch of the Heatkiller products lately and a lot of it seems REALLY nice.

[@LG-jn5fx]

I have an Aphacool 360x60 white rad and it is a very nice finish. Not changed colour in the 2 years I had it so good paint finish imo and the heat transfer is adequate to my needs. The Alphacool screws are very good quality , have disassembled the pc 4 or 5 times and they still have great thread and cross , also a little small and at times only pinch one side to help grip but there are 16 of them so it stays in place.

[@ArchitectandOracle]

If you were to rotate the sides along the LONG axis of the radiator, ie right side to left and left side to right, the name plates will be right side up for your application

[@davidstach9480]

Hey, I noticed that when you were thinking about flipping the side cover that whereas they're not symmetrical, all you'd have to do is carefully drill one hole in the fitting end and you can switch them from side to side. Which should accomplish what you're trying to do. No one would notice a spare hole.

[@LeoAzzakaGoile]

Love the Watercooling content, and the Build content.

[@gtifury310]

100% agree on the screws. It's not a matter of if, but when they'll get pulled through. Such a basic thing to get wrong.

[@sparkyenergia]

I just used EK's rads and took them apart to vinyl wrap the side pieces. So you can do that as well if paint isn't your thing. I used 3M ghost pearl.

[@michaelrobinson9643]

Use floss to pull through under it Jay. It can work as a fine blade to detach tape.

[@taylorbertrim7625]

I used a Heat Killer Pro iv on my last build, they definety are worth a look at. In my area of Ontario our local store stocked them... I tried them, the performance is there.

[@90benman]

To make the badge the right way up, do what you said in the video by turning the sides upside down but then swap the left and the right over.

[@ThePatrock84]

Appreciate this feature video of Watercool and their Heatkiller products. I'm using their reservoir, CPU and GPU cool as well as der monster radiator (MoRa). Great quality and cooling performance!

[@fy7589]

It's nice to see you back on the camera Jay!

[@Spreadie]

If the badges are the same orientation on the side rails, you can just swap the rails if you want to mount the rad upsidedown.

[@PreacherwithoutaPulpit]

Nice although my last loop is all EK except for fittings I think I'll give Heatkiller a shot on the next one. I remember them from back in the day and they were expensive but I guess we have EK's high prices to thank for bringing down the price of their competition...

[@mcalhoun73]

The radiators made in Germany I've found all have very short or bareley long enough screws for the fans. Also, instead of prying up the badge, heat it with a heat gun and work a piece of unwaxed dental floss under a corner and then end of it and "saw" it all the way to the other end.

[@tom_foolery]

you can flip the logos, just by unscrewing the sides, and flipping them from one side to the other. Put the left side plate on the right side of the radiator and the right side plate on the left side of the radiator. If you swap the sides, then the logo would be flipped. You were close, when you started talking about flipping them

[@trentonweir4735]

The Fans holes being elliptical or slotted, there is a good chance they designed that so when you connect them and try to line them up with different brands of radiators and panels that you will be able to align the screws. When holes are perfect circles, it makes it difficult to account for other variables such as other brand radiator holes. And if you have 12 holes to worry about instead of 4 it becomes much more difficult when aligning. So the slotted/elliptical holes are for ease of use for the customer.

[@Murderhoboh]

I got the black version. Very reasonable and gorgeous

[@williamake4783]

Jay, those are called "Countersunk" Screws. They are useful for maintaining a flush surface in both wood and metal, and they probably apply a different pressure profile than a flat head. I'd give them a shot.

[@jonasa6713]

Williamake these are countersunk flat heads 😉 you are most likely thinking of pan head or button head screws 😊

[@nathandavies2677]

Good to see you healthy and back on camera :)

[@gotafarmyet4691]

The holes are oblong to compensate for low tolerance or cheaply made cases and other products. It will allow to to better positioning of the three connected fans without increasing the diameter of the screw you need.

[@thedeester100]

The "countersink" screws are probably to fit into Anti Vibration mounts. Appart from the flat ones for fans onto the radiator you can get countersunk ones for countersink screws and they are a much larger diameter than the normal screw head so it wont chew up the case you are using. If they are providing the screws I would have thought they would provide the washers too. If you buy some off of E-bay you need to use Nylock nuts on un-threaded holes or thread lock in tapped holes. You dont squash them to death you make them just tight and locked with the Nylock nuts or Thread Locker (Medium loctite thread lock is best).

[@likwidflame]

Hey Jay, to get your logo off safely, use a heat gun, then apply two small suction cups and wiggle it on the Z-axis until it comes free. Should be bend free!

[@bahamutbbob]

Jay, a lot of adhesives will release if you freeze them, and work perfectly fine when thawed. Try that before heating, if you haven't heated it already.

[@kuoasify]

dont forget about using washers for the radiator since they would give you extra support

[@Hoigwai]

They should include washers, the easiest fix for the screws. Even better if they were coated in silicone for vibration issues.

[@ruikazane5123]

Wow...throwback! The countersunk screws for the fans is actually a good idea, helps with centering the holes. But yeah...screws too small

[@mvmhunterkiller]

What would look even better is if they added pips that could go inside the screw cutout area so it ends up being a flush finish and screws not visible.

[@danielmorford8785]

If you want the badge right sideup swap the frame pieces. leave the fitting up and put the right side on the left and visa versa 👍

[@wolf16731]

In rc racing, guys love those screws because they can use anodized aluminum washers in various colors to accent their car. You could possibly do the same thing here. The washers work with flathead screws and convert it to a flat bottom if that makes sense.

[@BentusiProgenitors]

I've always used Heatkiller EVERYTHING. Their stuff is amazingly gorgeous and high quality. They aren't cheap, though it's true. If you want cheap stick to aircooling.

[@JETWTF]

Tapered heads on machine screws are used to self center on unknown hole sizes. Considering every case manufacturer has different sized holes for mounting fans and radiators the tapered heads are desirable. Using panhead screws on holes with allot of slop around the shaft requires manually centering before fully tightening while tapered screw heads will self center from barely big enough to insert the screw to the head barely touching the hole. all fan screws should be tapered.

[@Hazardus320]

I have those radiators in my recent 7950x and 7900 xtx build, 1 360 and 1 480. They perform very well for me!

[@cadenmiller]

This is why I’ve already used their Heatkiller 360-L Stainless Steel series for my build months ago!

[@radspeed3133]

Fishing line works good for getting badges off without damaging them.

[@mangaas]

I would use some small washers to secure those screws. Stuff bends and shifts overtime with weight and temp changes. That is not secure at all.

[@zeladon_]

That was my first thought when he started mentioning it and showed the screws falling through the slots. I figure someone using components like these might have washers handy but I'd expect either better screws or washers included from this kind of company.

[@jerryandersson4873]

Every time I watch Jay and co water stuff, I feel like I want to do it too. Then I remember the time and cost involved, and the price of messing it up. None of wich I have enough of, time, cash or able to recover from water damage.

[@RngmonsterX]

I'd LOVE to see you taking a look into the Aqua Computer ecosystem. I can't build systems without the D5 Next, Octo etc. anymore.

[@GlassWolfLH]

Jay, if you want to remove a badge like that, do it the way automotive detailers do when debadging a car. Use a heat gun, and fishing line. saw back and forth under the badge with the fishing line, and you can lift the plate right off of the radiator, then just re-tape or glue it back down the proper way. Simple, and fast.

[@robertandreasson1867]

i'm going to do my first custom cooling build later this year. I'd love to see some more informative watercooling videos like this!

[@Official_R_P_A]

I have been using Watercool for years. I really like their quality and performance. Also its not as genaric as EK.

[@PaPa-pi9fe]

Same

[@rickysargulesh1053]

Watercool is a great company. I love the performance, quality and looks of their products. German watercooling products are nice. Aquatuning afaik is only a reseller. I visited their headquarters a few times to pick up parts. I would get some extra screws because I would be worried the rad getting loose from the vibration over time

[@ashtonadams2511]

As soon as you mentioned taking off the side badges; the first thing I thought about was flipping the side panels to make the badges right side up. Then I watched more of the video and realized that is not possible because they are not symmetrical on both sides.

[@nomisukeindustries]

I personally would have no issues picking up some stainless steel washers to go with the screws. I know it's an extra step that shouldn't be necessary, but the added security of having them would be nice. Either that or just buy replacement screws altogether.

[@karbonkilla]

@Jay, you can flip them! Just swap the plate onto the opposing side.

[@kyoudaiken]

Pretty much enjoying the water cooling content that don't involve clogging AiOs!

[@PhillBogart]

Jay. Your "tappered head" screw IS a flathead screw. The screws you describe as flat (bottomed) are usually pan-heads. The designation refers to the shape of the screw head - not the base of it.

[@pistonwristpin1]

Hey dude! At NAPA auto parts they sell a radiator "comb" to straighten radiator fins out. Not all rads are equal and there's a variety of different sized combs. So bring your rad to get the right size. Computer radiators remind me of automatic transmission oil coolers, also at NAPA (and cheaper good for 100k mi too) NAPA also has some cool fittings, fasteners, even lights. All 12 volt too. Just sayin'.. Good ta have ya back, glad your ok.

[@cyclechris6591]

That’s a nice rad. Yes more watercooling stuff! Performance comparison on rads would be great! Nobody has done one in years. Ek s came out on top, Igors lab did it.

[@AlMustaqin]

My MoRa disagrees

[@BleepBlop-rh9lm]

That Heatkiller logo is MAGNETIC!!!

[@emileballard4417]

Yes! its aquacomputer stil useing my aquastream(pump) which i bought 13 years ago! which is a modified Eheim pump but it stil works Great!

[@cardsfanbj]

Braided fishing line. Same way you get badges off cars without ruining the paint. Saws through the adhesive instead of using heat to loosen it. But maybe do a practice run on the side that won't be showing just to make sure you don't mess up the show side.

[@Eric_Fate]

I'd just get some nylon washers to solve the screw problem. Plus it would protect the coating.

[@wolphin732]

12:24 use the handy-dandy lid to the multibit kit, which is a parts tray. or ifixit has anti-static parts trays for cheap, which I find much more useful than the magnetic one.

[@philiphoeffer7442]

Glad you are back!

[@mwales2112]

Have always used Hardware Labs rads since I started water cooling in the early 2000's with no regrets....

[@mcsupersport]

They do make a small "Comb" toll to straighten radiator fins and the like..... Used in Automotive and home heating and cooling applications usually, but I would bet they would work on computer rads as well.

[@jonasduell9953]

I think the tapered screws are supposed to be like cone centers for the big fan holes centering the fan which would require a much higher diameter self-tapping almost grub type screw into the smaller diameter thread in the radiator. I mean if you machine screws flat or tapered is not really a game changer to do so there must be some reasoning behind it.

[@arcadealchemist]

7:30 the solution, make the name plate magnetic and have a selection of blank and named tiles so one can use a steel or black enamle or some other type and the blank ones could allow you to have them engraved with a logo or name at a laser engraving service maybe IDk have a Heat reactive version too like the fish tanks do?

[@bisterkding9249]

Or just swap the panels to the opposite sides. He only tried rotating the panels but keeping them on the same side, which wouldn't work because they're asymmetrical length-wise

[@fidelj3025]

Wow a real OG company!

[@TheJjjoj]

Hey, Jay is actually being less of a shill than he has been for the last couple years. It's genuinely nice to see. It's something Jay might not have even noticed in himself, but it was obvious to longtime viewers. Sponsorship tends to turn people into shills even without them knowing it since they don't even try alternatives that they would have to pay for.

[@radbanshee4508]

Optimus Advanced Water Cooling that is made in America is now my brand of choice for highest quality water blocks and Bitspower is my choice for radiators, tubing and fittings. Every EK block I have ever owned spider cracked in les than 2 years.

[@tuskuycoffeegaming]

What if the flip of the sides, instead of being in the same side, is interchange the radiator itself. In other words, and being more specific: Having the radiator with the in/out-takes facing upwards; Use the left side metal panel on the right side of the radiator and vice-versa. I guess the screw holes are symmetrical enough in this way for you to be able to flip the logos without heating, unglue and than glue everything again.