I smurfed to show why smurfs always win (while being griefed)

[@YugenDota]

Thanks for the guide. I learned a lot from it. It's not every day you get to hear high MMR players explain their perspective on the game.

[@SkateFallen1424]

*doom outfarms enemy AM* pain - "my team is griefing"

[@keensanitygaming8329]

im a follower for like around 3 months and your videos helped me a lot. not to brag but I managed to reach immortal rank 5673mmr from ancient 1 since then. the details that im ignoring before, i started to take note of each of them and started getting +mmr. Thank you.

[@arabmonki1589]

isnt immortal 6k+?

[@W4lkst4r]

@@arabmonki1589 no, promotion from div 5 is like 5640 or so. However numbered immortal is different from region to region and EU #5000 is like 7.4k (what the actual f*ck) because its the biggest region with most immortal players

[@K1razxc]

​@@W4lkst4rit's 8050 now

[@olgagaming5544]

Haha ancient rank is already pretty cool i think

[@ghostgod.66]

8.4k bro not 7.4​@@W4lkst4r

[@CardCaptor32584]

That OD astral made me LOL. My coworkers were all looking at me weird. Damn that's funny.

[@Fatma-gq4cf]

More educational smurf video like this please 🔥

[@edward222100]

this isnt smurfing, the venge he's playing with is not actually playing in low rank. hes actually pressuring

[@Panflap]

Terrific video. Really nice way to tie together all your previous lessons in one awesome application. Keep em coming.

[@madpear]

Herald through Archon (vast majority of players), the supports do such worse griefing: wandering off and let carry be right-clicked by enemy offlane duo, taking your CS, pulling at bad times or not at all, picking heroes like sniper as pos5, the list goes on. I can appreciate that folks like you and BSJ are at a high level, so you might call the slightest misplay a grief. But generally speaking these "griefed" videos demonstrate mid to upper tier support behavior for Archon and below. A typical grief for < 3500MMR presents a significantly harder challenge to overcome. What's worse for climbing in MMR, you're going to see one on your team nearly every other game. I really want to see a video showcasing strategies for a significantly worse grief or early game start for a team.

[@brenorp95]

While I agree with you (currently struggling with low legend and I experience almost everything you mentioned regularly), this kind if video is still valuable for the insights on some of the decision making (like showing vs not showing and why, for example). Even if in lane is generally worse and in a gank situation your support probably won't have a force staff to save you because they want to build something greedy, in ranked their carry is likeky to have similar issues so the player that makes the least amount of mistakes should be getting more mmr over time

[@cawfee254]

yeah I kinda loled on the pulling talk because the issue with my supports at legend is that my supports brainlessly pull all the time when the lane is already at tower and they're just not laning with me

[@Remeroska]

But also archon makes way more mistakes which are easier to exploit.

[@despair8181]

This, I play dota with my crusader and archon friends, cause I like playing with friends but sometimes I still lose games despite going 30 something kills and massive advantage early cause some of them still don't have a good grasp of the game on a macro level. But it's chill and I like teaching them.

[@UphillHook]

Is funny that people say this when on the enemy team the exact same thing is happening

[@alamecommentator1750]

Now explain a scenario where: 1. Your sup wants last hits 2. Your sup gets carry items 3. Your sup is super aggressive diving into tower and if he dies, it’s your fault for not supporting him. 4. Your Core whom you supported for 12-14 mins with maximum farm along with 3-4 kills, gets disconnected after 20-30 minutes. 5. Your Team went back to our Jungle to farm more to complete their rest of the items they saw on KZbin. When 5 enemies are dead for atleast 30 seconds. 6. Your mid don’t know rotation until level 12+ and fed for more than 10 times in 12 minutes.

[@rises889]

is called..ignore them and play your game..u only need 51% + to advance in brackets..not 100% win rate :)

[@gfx8121]

in lower bracket this kind of tips paindota given is useful for 2 or 3 man party, lower brackets has a low IQ mindset and Itemization they just want to play and just want to buy items they just want to buy not what there cores need or the team needs. so its better you have 3 man party to have a good rank boost

[@timmenhoff]

skill issue

[@ken3222]

if it can happen to you, it can happen to the enemy team, if you're better then you will win most of your games and climb, because its not gonna happen to you every single game. stop playing the victim

[@alamecommentator1750]

@@gfx8121 yup that could be the reason. Since am playing solo for long time and experiencing these situations almost all the games. Thanks for the pointer. Will follow this. And for the people who thinks am playing victim or skill issue.. thanks.

[@ชวกรคุรุรัตน์]

how can I explain my feeling that this video is very very useful for me, it doesn't matter this is Smurf game but the detail of every single minute is valuable

[@twenty9str498]

This is not allowed to be called grief at all. If you think this amount of misplay is grief, then you have no idea how horrible it is in Ancient> brackets. What we expect from you is: Let's say you have a pudge pos5 who never hooks or pulls, never helps deny or harrass. You have a nyx mid who feeds. In order to escape this bracket, we have to learn to deal with these degenerates and win some of those games. Not these friendly teammates you call griefers.

[@riyanveysel7037]

Lol, what you're describing isn't griefing either. Sure it's an important mechanic that they should know and implement into their playstyle, but griefing has to have malicious intent. Griefing is a pos4 Jakiro following a WK and stealing his farm in the jungle for whole 10 mins because WK was farming (he was pos2) and WK refused to join teamfights (it was the 15th min, WK was way ahead with his farm than the opponents carry and mid, and we were doing decently in our teamfights even if we were 4). He stopped after 10 mins of griefing him, and we lost by a pretty small margin because the enemy made quite a lot of mistakes. If he didn't grief, we would have absolutely won that one.

[@pompomzassou]

I learn a lot from his other videos, but this video is just smurfing... He can even get his teammates to give him tangoes, and it's an inhouse game?? I was expecting to see feeder/useless teammates, no one warding etc. This is a perfectly normal game with decent teammates, only MMR is lower.

[@Malgys]

😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😅 9:29 9:29

[@manhno1]

I learnt a lot, but the way he used the map is because of the 3 - 4 fagging wards all-of-the-time. I've never seen it in 1K MMR

[@ifernclownerellayt3522]

Yeah. In my archon-legend bracket, my offlane wants to take space (safe waves of creeps to farm) instead of making space for the pos1

[@TheP4U111]

Great video mate, learned a lot from simply just going through a game start to finish where most tutorials don't where it then gets confusing jumping from a to z etc

[@Kraken_JPN]

This is actually a good tutorial for carry players from an high MMR's perspective. This will actually help me understand the Position 1 role even more from this video. Thanks man and usually smurfs take the midlaner role which is egoistical af, so i watched this in educational typa shi instead of watch how smurfs play carry.

[@lexk8861]

dude...u take this game as an example where ur doom is top 2nd networth with you. great job!

[@zardc8868]

That's just a result of doom being doom - it's not that he's necessarily being efficient or playing well, but devour is just an incredibly braindead way to generate risk free gold regardless of the game state.

[@PajamaSam81]

You break down why u do stuff really well keep up the videos

[@Aaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnggggggrrrrr]

I'm a huge fan. Love from ph bro! Keep it up please upload more educational content

[@t0mskyyyyy]

I would suggest educational smurf videos in different bracket to know the differences in term of mechanic, itemization & decision making.

[@gio-qd9ii]

What if your hard support is anti mage? Or if your support is sniper and your offlane is faceless void? Mid alchemist all in one match ? Most games in low mmr are like this

[@gamdanyunizar7849]

I'm curious if it's still the same if you play support rather than core? Is it possible to climb mmr to immortal by playing support?

[@Marius-pc9et]

Is very hard, especially as pos 5, pos 4 u might have a chance

[@Артур-я8л]

Better to find duo

[@MUZYKAIpl]

show that u never lost on smurf? where i can check it

[@iamthe1234567890]

At 4:35, how did he aggro the 3 creeps without right clicking on a hero? I can see the click positions in green are nowhere near Tony

[@h1dorian]

He's probably clicking on the portraits

[@pouria5180]

he is using script for aggro

[@МайаРудольфовна]

Am I being dumb or this game had no griefs or throws at all? Just a coordinated team trying to win; why (while being griefed) is in the title?

[@kechi9021]

Hey bro just wanted to reply to this and give my thoughts. I think the difference in standards between immortal players vs the rest of the dota community is just very different. To put it bluntly, immortals have really high expectations. I see other immortals like HenryDota literally rage at plays he sees as "griefing", but to me and most of his viewers, it really didn't even seem close to a grief. It has probably been too long since they've played in the lower brackets, so anything less than immortal level game play comes across as a grief to them. Once they spend more time here in our brackets they'll see what a true grief is lmao

[@Sineseol]

Great video with great insights, one of the best i have ever seen.

[@wtf1327]

Thank you so much for this video. This helps me as a returning player

[@dynatrixx2000]

Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge, I appreciate you, subscribed!

[@rhysgriffiths9675]

Thanks for the video. Would love to see a video where you’re playing a real game, your teammates don’t know you’re a smurf, and you’re playing a support hero. I’ve seen BSJ do videos like these too, but when your teammates know you’re smurfing they are not going to grief, they’re going to play more coordinated, they’re going to pick good heroes (probably their best ones), they’re going to go out of their way to assist you and listen to your calls. So you’re smurfing, but you’re playing under ideal circumstances, which is not the typical griefers/weird hero picks/lack of coordination that people struggle most to deal with.

[@thenorthmen3148]

Great video and I love your stuff.. but id love to see you Smurf in a lower bracket and not 5k and have it be a pub, not in house. Where nothing is controlled ha and you’re support 5 doesn’t do what he’s supposed to do at all. (No pulls, no range creep secure, no hard camp deward) legend bracket is so incredibly hard to come back from when you’re behind so hard. I think there’s a large gap in skill when it comes to 3k-5k. I feel more than half of my games I’m having to do a majority of the support stuff as I’m carry. Or I have to leave to jungle way earlier than I need to

[@The01Arsenal]

18min could have casted the shield. Or did yiu not cast it to get the attack in to chance stun and win?

[@12MYCRYL17]

educational and ethical smurf like the godgamer AdmiralBulldog

[@TheHandsomeDevil223]

I love how this guy says he got griefed. He clearly has no idea what actual 3k position 5 supports do when you play void. Try playing a game where your position 5 feeds the offlane off respawn, never pulls, never blocks, and then come back and tell me how to win those kinds of games.

[@abhisheklama1393]

Furthermore, these guys play on 30 ping with 200+ FPS so the game is buttery smooth and responsive for them whilst most of us are playing on 100 ping with barely 90 FPS systems. If you could play on 30 ping with 200+ FPS you would automatically get good within a few months without any tips/help at all.

[@BoblbzmwVomca]

Lol archons

[@yasirelec]

Is that happening to you in EVERY game? Some games of course you’ll lose due to poor teammates but you can win 7/10 games if you improve your style and climb. Still there are going to be those 3 losses but you’ll climb. If it’s happening to you in 5/10 games, then you’re in your bracket and things won’t improve for you

[@TheRomanoLV]

Speak for yourself, maybe in some shithole part of the world that might be true, but a majority of players in EU/NA have systems that can do 150+ fps

[@dyed.06]

Lol always looking at others but not yourself bro. We can always find mistakes of teammates sure but the focus here is what can YOU do despite this.

[@unikk_963]

there was alot tips in this video i really apreciated for them 😍😍

[@SupremeInfinity19]

16:23 Literally made me laugh how He also didnt know why it didnt pull the creeps🤣

[@coffeebreak7978]

Play a game with fv up 2k gold dooing great in laning mid tells me to kms when i ask to group rossh and begins standing under enemy turret on respawn, offlane is upset that i didnt go deep pushing when we have no vision and down a player and get caught out and the game begins to spiral out of control as the enemys are enjoying the redcross support my mid has been giving em

[@1lanadoto113]

how can you smurf safely without getting ban in your main account ?

[@wtfyoshipwns]

He said he's doing an in house game I thought

[@Ph3oh]

That "important" at 10:54 was really telling. :))

[@amirabbxs9172]

This dude called 5k mmr players "in these LOW mmr games, they don't care about dust or sentry"

[@kdb5972]

how to aggro pull creeps without putting the mouse on the enemy or the portrait?

[@t0mskyyyyy]

Press A (attack command) to an enemy hero. But make sure the creeps have vision on you. Drag the creeps back to your range creeps.

[@kdb5972]

@@t0mskyyyyy Look closely, 0.25 speed early game he is not clicking on enemy heroes.

[@Ортур-я3е]

he watching replay not from a player view, so it's just his mouse, not void's

[@coreyai2441]

So as a 5 k myself. No matter how much higher mmr some1 has then me. It always annoys me to see the active of mjollnir being used so poorly. As a matter of fact, it is so rare to see the active being used. Am i missing something or what?

[@kanjii7641]

bro what is your video setting

[@tuankhanhvu7836]

Very detail video. Thank you!

[@belicto7743]

I never see anyone do this sort of video from a support perspective.

[@josephyu6547]

would you stop swinging the mouse back and fort? so painful on the eyes

[@just_ralle7688]

the amount of "I just play around my team" actually triggers me, when can you trust you're team to do anything below 5k mmr, the only thing I found helpful was the minions aggro strats the rest of the game was a cakewalk, didn't even see a griefer O.o

[@twenty9str498]

"minions"

[@polo619652]

​@@twenty9str498blud is stuck in league

[@SOOD944]

LOL player spotted

[@HomuraCh]

try to win a griefing team where at minute one someone already fed 5 times because someone picked offlane PL and at minute 12 the player already fed 0-12 xD

[@magicocoding6382]

How the hell someone gets griefed in the inhouse game?

[@hurryhurry9723]

u didn't bought stick vs tiny mirana lineup

[@dandee28]

how can i get my mmr up bro. im stuck in guardian

[@ttextinction7273]

Faceless Void is one of the strongest late game heroes with double chronos. this hero can carry and turn most games around.

[@karntkarunn]

I think the difference is being able to overcome your own mental state. (After OD Astral for Fun make lose over 10k networth) But we have to control ourselves to carry the game forward. xd

[@arthur1338]

What if the smurf has a bad lane ?

[@MIGUELLLLLLLLLAAAAAA]

Moral of the video is that you need to play like a smurf to barely win these games

[@_HaSSaaN_]

I clicked for Faceless Void, my most favorite hero of Dota 2

[@gabbermaikel]

i love how you say invisibility is basicly invincebility. I have been saying that to loads of guys. I watched a game of a friend recently where there where 4 invis items in 1 team. NOONE on the other team had even a dust, or a sentry, or a gem. If there are 4 enemys with invis items anyone with a free slot should have dust. But their support didnt have dust, their offlaner with 2 free slots had not dust. So they lost every fight because if it started to look like a win the enemys went invis, they followed 1 guy that was low and then ripped his head of. They kept doing it, and noone tought to buy dust...

[@dotadomination]

didnt your new account got banned?

[@DonaldGaron]

At 12:45, I think you're supposed to pressure go with Venge on Mirana and pressure her or kill her then pressure the tower. I don't think you made the right play. Maybe I'm wrong though.

[@aeron1758]

What are your pc specs?

[@biggooba6706]

how does you lvl look like that?

[@mrockTROLLIN]

Hold on -- can someone explain why he drops his band?

[@kylek762]

So that his Venge can bring it to him off her TP. Basically an instant courier since level 3 courier is very slow.

[@TheMalhuis]

I guess the next challenge would be to play while smurfing and being griefed, while being drunk. If you can pull that off then all my problems are solved

[@JohnItsukiEver]

Great video, help me a lot.

[@MC-nt7jz]

Can you do this as offlaner?

[@ivoschottner5362]

Could you also please make a video on how to carry the game with PL? PL is out of the meta and I feel it is not that ez to win as PL anymore... Please . Thx

[@echoftw]

*Buys the most common and standard starting items for every carry and also identical to the top 3 in-game guides*

[@savagelord4918]

Why does he have expensive skins on his Smurf???

[@jlfotoyvideo9030]

on the 16:23 the pull cancel itself. Why this happen? i have the same issue and i dont know what to do to avoid this

[@sc9433]

He "A" clicked his own creeps accidentally. "A" clicking ur own creeps drops aggros.

[@chhangtemawitea7185]

very helpful thankyou for making this video

[@nightcoreplanet8965]

Can you create a content for mid laner?

[@alessioNY]

Lol, I've been doing that. As a divine 5 pos 3, I can literally 1v5 the other team as bristleback, as long as there aren't too many hard counters. It's funny when my team flames me early on before I carry.

[@ayerat9174]

Hi, can you please do morphling.. i been playing dota for 20 years, but i cant win using morph, i really like to learn how to play morph and what mind set should i have while playing it.

[@bendanglcr17]

U must need talent to not learn a hero after playing for 20 years

[@mozinha]

Can you just play the video while explaining? I’ve been staring on same pixel in the first 2 mins

[@nacht2422]

bro casually stopping the time to plan a strategy

[@jei24]

thankyou for teaching i hope u can coach me when im playing dota 2

[@jjjjj506]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/r32pdmh_j9yjgKM Is going back the right play when you can see enemies mid/top or should you have farmed the next wave and the ancients near Dire's wisdom rune (and pick it up at 14min)?

[@gio-qd9ii]

Most of the times we get supports that challenge cs with us using their spells or they just stay back under tower and leech xp

[@THEGREATPAPYRUS1]

do the mid plz! (blood seeker if possible)

[@abirjubayer6410]

how u get 400 fps bro

[@NhatNguyen-577]

Unlock fps using console. But anything above 150 is pretty much useless. Also it depends on your CPU/GPU as well.

[@abirjubayer6410]

i hv 180 hz monitor. early game i get 240 fps but after 20min or 30min it drps at 120 or lower, but my cpu and gpu is not using .how to fix it @@NhatNguyen-577

[@ttk1367]

@@NhatNguyen-577 xdd where did you get 150?

[@DannTeBg]

Sorry, but this wasnt griefing, you had amazing team.

[@keniCR]

bro doesn't know what griefing is

[@noelnemenjo1242]

100% pure useful content

[@yeahman7775]

how tf is he getting 500 fps

[@WhatIsLove2000]

I dont believe that 5k player would just walk into two heroes to get one creep with 200hp, i just dont believe it. If everyine from your region is like that, im moving. I feel like eastern\western europe 2-3k is like 5-6k american

[@markoilic8375]

that venge is smurf also, so it was 2 smurfs in 1 game, on top of that your whole team is playing well for that mmr. Im not saying that your are not playing great, butt man you are going to lose 30% games+ even as smurf coz rigged matchmaking.

[@itbelowky4373]

so hes going to win 70% of his games? seems good to me

[@markoilic8375]

@@itbelowky4373 but not in higher ranks

[@rainbowpew]

More moreeee with all that carry tips

[@BubuName-p5q]

In crusader 5 someone always out of possition someone always outfarmed someone always just farm jungle... No one is showeling Lane and go jungle, no one build normal atribuites early.. No one haras The enemy în laneing stage... Poor dewarding + no smoke calls

[@nomedeuusuario]

Me looking a guy SMURFING in 5k - im 3k....

[@derbestimmer1148]

Simply not true that creep aggro is not applied in low Elo. Actual low Elo players may not know how to do it. But thete are enough players in low Elo, that creep aggro the hell out of you. Can you do such an example when your lane opponents are also Smurfs and your Support is afk at the tower and occasionally feeds into the enemy landers?

[@ghostwarrior4761]

Awesome skills you new one subscriber

[@TheDuckSquash]

So you got a free lane versing a weak combo of tiny and mirana and snowballed so you called that "smurfs always win"

[@ralphED93]

its a 42 min video... kinda pity you 😢😢😢

[@singa-el9952]

dude doom was doing good

[@gio-qd9ii]

What if you counter pick and play Luna against Naga offlane ? You can win right ? Easy! But your hard support is necro , blocks 1st creep waves , take almost all last hits with 1st skill goes jungle and stays there , while we try to cs next wave near offlane tower both of them harass and push you back Try to pull with neutral creep? It’s blocked , unblock with sentry? No sentry in shop. Let’s wait till the waves push automatically, they deny 2 waves no problem let’s wait more . Necro is back with 1st skill . Try to rush mask and farm neutrals? Necro is there . Go enemy side jungle? Ok easy farm . Got 500 gold farming 5 mins . Now the tier 2 is pushed. Didn’t defend ? Naga with yasha and support vs a mask? Now early late game I got manta , Half of butterfly vs Naga with heart and manta ? Why didn’t you farm other lanes? Spectre offlane and qop afk farm mid in tier 2.

[@eveningswan4491]

This doesn't tell us anything. This is hardly smurfing mmr isn't that far from your normal rank. Do this in like a average 2k with 2 greifers

[@udatchi]

Bruh ur draft is insanely good and their draft is omega terrible thats a hard game to lose unless u actually get griefed

[@motywacjaisukcespl]

I had a lot of games where your pos 5 is just walking after you all game to steal last hits. This video is useful, but the title is a lie

[@iordanstefan1]

The tortelini guide :>

[@agentxtopsecret]

i didnt looked the whole video but smurfs always win because they get matched vs smurfs (smurf pool) so yeah any smurf will win :D

[@vegetadragonbz7824]

idk how u and the viewers see this as a 1 v 9 carry game.. okay let's start with the Lanning phase ... the enemy Mirana did a little close to no harass on u he started hitting u on min 3 and a half, which made this lane easier for u, support giving u tangos, and a support that saves u from tiny Mirana combo, and a support that makes stacks and communicate with u on the lane, I didn't even continue this video but at the very first couple of minutes i figured out that u don't have any clue of what 1 v 9 means, and yea i almost forgot OD came and ganked tiny, try to have a REAL griefers, support not pulling, not giving tangos, mid afk farming, pos 4 attacking the hell out of u, then win and type 1 v 9 and i'm pretty sure u gonna delete my comment 😂😂😂😂

[@SatomLu]

also he said the storm is 10k hahaha with 9 deaths at 30 min vs a 300 ping 7k OD :D maybe he meant behaviour score

[@vegetadragonbz7824]

@@SatomLu hahaha i liked the behaviour score thing hahahaha, the problem is i see no comments but us that realized that, is it that we are the only smart ppl here or what hahaha

[@vegetadragonbz7824]

@@Mike-wu7ie yea bro he didn't give credict to anyone, and no one said anything to him but us, but in other hand like this player kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZqC3ooePZ6p_i7Msi=u_7ocjESMXYo5wsL ... he gave alot of credit to his support dazzle in the video and didnt say 1 v 9 at all

[@kingslxyer666]

@@vegetadragonbz7824 i mean for sure the griefers in lower brackets are real griefers and this here wasnt a grief at all it was a misplay by a 300 ping OD. But still he is like 8-9k mmr, he needed to get there, he didnt buy an account that was 9k mmr, he needed to get through 3k, 4k, 5k, etc... And how did he do it? By always having 4 premades with him and playing for him or is he just good? Cause he's pretty damn good at both playing and explaining what he's doing. If u consistently do this in lower mmr u will win like 60% of ur games just by outfarming everyone, let alone always watching the map, the enemy hero builds, and death/spell timers

[@bendixtrinity]

am sorry but thats not griefing in low mmr. thats normal😂😂😂 griefing in low mmr is the intentional feeding or denying farms and runes and it goes on for the whole game not one instance. SEA server btw😂

[@Scythwolf]

The skill difference between servers must be HUUUGE... I west EU as soon as there is an invisible hero there is a good chance that at least one is carring dust / sentries in huge amounts. I am one of those people (especially as carry) and I am not that high. It is even pinged out that we carry dust around.

[@shurhongukire4306]

Please share game ID

[@nbody2317]

7639077045

[@icroosing]

You weren’t griefed, title is extremely misleading

[@HavaN5rus]

If I really want to grief, there is no chance you win🤣