I Spectated a Bronze Kiriko in Overwatch 2

[@savathussy2810]

Sometimes I feel like I'm bronze 5 in real life

[@Falcore-fp3bp]

That’s a mood I identify with

[@SolotaireKid]

Damn, that hit hard

[@kingnoook6391]

I’m still in placements 🙁

[@ibeennerfed7019]

Relatable 😢

[@tofu.delivery.]

get yourself a life alert button

[@cuirinedubh397]

I feel like they forgot they could wall climb. Sometimes it looked like they were relying on teammates for mobility rather than just climbing up and over themselves.

[@endless_del]

ive been playing kiriko a LOT and sometimes i forget she can wall climb tbh because im used to mercy and i immediately look for teammates to get around just because kiriko has a somewhat similar ability 😭

[@CosmicLeche]

I'm a support main and I constantly forget she can wall-climb. It's a problem. I'm just not used to that kind of mobility, I guess.

[@endless_del]

@@CosmicLeche tbh i think they should let zen wall climb /j

[@wgcdrelliot8989]

@@endless_del tbh i think the should zen just levitate similar to pharah /s

[@boredaura1064]

They looked to be tp happy in general

[@samvimes9510]

Hog feels _a lot_ more lethal now that double barrier is gone. If your hook accuracy is good, you can just play him as an aggressive flank and constantly bully squishies. Take a Breather gives him enough sustain to survive most encounters, so long as you're not deep into their backline. I haven't had the pleasure of using Whole Hog alongside a Kiriko ult, but I have been on the receiving end of a Death Blossom in a Kiriko ult, and that's pretty scary.

[@mrflamram9966]

Can concur had a roadhog bully me and my whole time yesterday on Dorado and since it's was silver I was the only one who actually tried to stop him but unfortunately his team was pumping every resource into him

[@liamgleason9283]

I would argue Hog is even worse now. He has no synergy with any character anymore since the only time you would use him would be with Ball, Zarya, or Orisa. So his only gameplay now is to flank which in all honesty is atrocious since how important tanks are to team fights. If you go on a flank your entire team has nothing to soak all that damage, and he provides 0 value to his team whatsoever.

[@Htiy]

@@liamgleason9283 think is in at least low ranks, nobody is respecting your hook. I start the fight in front of my team, then go on a quick flank and their main support/dps is dead before they know it

[@sniclops15]

As a hog main, I can confirm OW2 is a lot nicer feeling now that barriers are either nerfed or gone completely. I usually average around 66% hook accuracy each game, whereas in OW1 I was struggling to break 60. Also Roadhog in a kiriko ult is hilariously fun

[@beastabuelos6421]

@@liamgleason9283 use him when you have a mei on your team. Good ult combo

[@Sesquipedalian044]

I'm so glad you talked about what her role is as a support. So many people have been flaming Kiriko players for not having higher damage, but she isn't built like Zen, Brigitte, Bap, or even Moira. Unless its a crit, her damage is super low. And her primary healing is actually pretty high, so it's best to heal you're teammates as the primary role, and if your team is healed or you've got a pick and momentum, then you can start looking to land shots on the enemies (or if you can get a safe sightline on the enemy squishies). Not utilizing her massive amount of healing (as well as it's range and flexibility) is a huge mistake. 9 times out of 10, its more effective to be healing your team than trying to land that Kunai shot from 100 meters away, or dumping your low damage kunai into a shield.

[@SMGMissy]

That's funny because I run into so many Kirikos that, more often than not, don't left click for anything. You really never know what you're going to get with that pick right now.

[@itookaonabookanyway7385]

its like DPS moira all over again 1 healing 2k DPS 14 deaths OME

[@steamfunk5704]

When I realised this is when I became waayy better at kiriko

[@ElsaChan597]

While it is absolutely hilarious win a 1v1 against a Genji even Reaper, I agree it's incredibly easy to get 8k healing on Kiriko and playing her boring like that is generally better anyways

[@XiaoYueMao]

i always spam kunai down a choke point at head height while my ofuda recharges, healing is primary but when healing is on charge spamming kunai for damage and lucky kills is always a good thing

[@frogwizard9310]

Kiriko main here, dvas matrix does indeed eat the healing ofuda

[@asianbboy911]

Support main. Definitely confirm. It makes dva a fucking nightmare pick to deal with if you are playing Kirko sometimes (if they know what they are doing). But then again a good Dva is always a fucking nightmare for MOST supports.

[@d3vul536]

i thought i was trippin. you can hear the sound the Matrix makes when it typically eats bullets

[@frogwizard9310]

@Taliyah of the Nasaaj omfg winstons have been awful to deal with because of it, teamates spamming “i need healing” and wont back out from inside the bubble lmao

[@user-lh7mt7zo7l]

@@asianbboy911 Being able to delete projectiles is just unfun in general

[@SakuraChai]

@Taliyah of the Nasaaj Also any hard surface in the game just deletes them too, it's so annoying when you try to heal someone (especially someone who's complaining all game) and they just turn a corner as you heal them. Like PLEASE line of sight people.

[@philtkaswahl2124]

You know Flats and Emongg are friends when they use each other as units of measure for doing a dumb.

[@SchweetCookie]

Hog ulting in Kiriko ult should not have made me laugh as hard as it did.

[@iamethan2153]

hog ult go brrrrrrrr

[@thenewelite4628]

If you didn't, you should have seen when they tested Hog's ult changes at first. Clicking repeatedly would raise the fire rate, so naturally, people had auto-clickers set to absurd rates which led to some of the most amusing POTGs I have ever seen.

[@snowwden5301]

So I've noticed this a lot. Kiriko's Protection suzu acts strange sometimes, I don't know if its not an instant application or if the sound/visuals are early. You can throw the Suzu straight down at the floor when you're in danger, visually confirm the impact, hear the sound queue and be visibly affected by the visual aid, and still die within a few frames. From my experience it seems like the sound and visuals are probably happening a few frames early. Granted it could be connection issues, I don't have the most insane internet ever but a stable 40ms on my end doesn't usually lead to this type of inconsistency.

[@Chr0n0s38]

There's definitely something off with it. I have good internet and experience the same thing.

[@cocoaberri]

i feel like it doesnt go off when i think it does sometimes so you arent alone

[@GLORIOUSCHONK]

IIRC there's a small window between the impact and the splash effect.

[@jessetaylor1437]

you gotta time it insanely perfectly ur not the only one

[@Ayakinim]

it's really interesting that in this video and the previous Junkerqueen both submitters had a very clean start but eventually the mental overload kicks in.

[@karamei]

Really good way of putting it

[@nagisaphantom]

“This is the only Tipp you’re getting” proceeds to coach the whole video

[@Megggazap]

Ikr

[@FawXnSawX]

I like how wildly different content creators opinions are about how kiriko should spend her time, real wild west for the character.

[@CynicalOptimist99]

I think it does speak to how versatile she is, she can do solid damage if the DPS are struggling, or just healbot if there is a DPS Moira in the team…

[@Annagramme8]

I think one of the problem with Kiriko’s Suzu on low level right now it’s that they use it like Ana’s nade and it doesn’t work so well.

[@damn_im_sleepy8780]

I think it's them just seeing a big red critical sign above a teammates head, and using cleanse to prevent them from getting killed. It's hit or miss most times, but I can understand the thought process.

[@Real_MisterSir]

@@damn_im_sleepy8780 often they dont use it on critical hp targets tho, they mostly use it on half hp or more - or in situations where the ally is actually already safe behind cover.

[@Lixyneko]

I am new to OW2 (didn't have OW1) and it's my first FPS ever and it's taking me some time to get used to the game in general, but I found your channel and your personality/advice is great. Your videos make me laugh even though I barely know what's going on but I'm trying to learn more about the game.

[@robbertvandenberg8954]

Tip: don't get into competitive to early, it's the more toxic side of the game. arcade and unranked are way more chill to learn the basics, map layouts and training your game sense

[@vermillionkingpin]

@@robbertvandenberg8954 Correction. Arcade and unranked are the ONLY places you need to be learning the game at. And comp more toxic than unranked/arcade? LOL. Anyways.

[@Lixyneko]

@@robbertvandenberg8954 Oh don't worry, I've been avoiding ranked for that reason. I don't want to hold people back who are trying to climb when I literally have no idea what I'm doing. I'm still not completely comfortable with the maps yet either and how to maneuver around them well. I'm getting used to it though!

[@robbertvandenberg8954]

@@vermillionkingpin If you don't learn to be better when playing comp you must be a god I guess. We always have things we can improve. Arcade is the chillest format, doesn't mean there is no toxicity. The world isn't black and white you know.

[@Real_MisterSir]

@@Lixyneko I don't think anyone should ever be afraid of ranked, all people need to do, is be realistic. The system does a great job at putting you quickly in the rank you belong, and once you're there, well, at that point you're playing with equally skilled players so it just becomes like quickplay, but with better competitive integrity overall. The main reason for avoiding competitive, is if you have long-term goals and you don't want to start your ranked journey from the very bottom. In that case it may be beneficial to wait a little and learn the game better, and then maybe place in silver or gold instead of bronze, to make the climb journey easier from the get-go. I will though advice learning a couple of heroes pretty well in Quickplay first, simply because it will provide a more enjoyable experience if you know your preferred heroes' basic mechanics and playstyles before you put yourself in a more competitive environment where others will be relying on you fulfilling your role more than they do in quikcplay. And you will enjoy the experience more in return because it's easier for you to be on the same page as everyone else, when you aren't struggling with your own gameplay to begin with.

[@floh7624]

Thx for the Kiriko tips mr. Flats :)

[@camaro25]

He was wrong about one tip though. Her Ofuda papers DO get eaten by D.Va's Matrix.

[@Waffl3B1T]

I love your spectating series

[@gaku3217]

I don’t think they know kiriko can wall climb. As a ow 1 player, I still forget kiriko can wall climb sometimes.

[@astupidlylongnamethatstoolong]

I remember I can wall climb with her but I just dont use it as often

[@coold626stitch]

Glad I'm not the only person who isn't crazy about her battle pass skin

[@themostdiabolicalhater5986]

I think it’s hideous, probably the worst skin in the game besides the goth Zarya skins

[@Reybenn]

Weird, I love it. Good colors, and those tickets look so sick.

[@ventabIack]

@@themostdiabolicalhater5986 lightning tracer is the worst by far in my opinion

[@coold626stitch]

@@Reybenn I'm not saying it's her worse skin, it just looks weird with the hair and robotic face

[@themostdiabolicalhater5986]

@@ventabIack I had forgotten that skin even existed until the promotion McDonald’s did in Australia, so it can’t be the worst one. Because I’ve never forgotten about Goth Zarya. She haunts me

[@greycultistx]

d’va matrix does actually eat the papers lol

[@aggrogahu]

Didn't look that bad. Positioning and bad habits hopefully improve over time. Cool down management, particularly suzu, is an important thing to identify and fix though.

[@Real_MisterSir]

positioning only improves if they actively work on it or if they get punished. Neither are very likely to happen in Bronze. General mechanics were decent, definitely enough to get out of bronze. Everything else was just mediocre and not something that stands out even in bronze.

[@xEvilRaptorx]

4:30 flats is applying GM things to Bronze. That was a good ulti because it helped their team run from the Dva Bomb lol

[@ventabIack]

i know this series can understandably get pretty annoying to make for you, so i really appreciate you still doing these! i think they're very funny and interesting to watch, so thanks for still carrying on with them despite all the problems. love ya flats :)

[@kurb1]

As a first time overwatch player and Kirko main. I've managed to make it through silver 2 to plat 3. I've never watched or played overwatch until 2 came out which was odd since most of my friends played it. Now I've been watching almost every support video I can find and been improving since. I still throw some badly timed ofudas from time to time lmao

[@jessetaylor1437]

i'm trying i'm silver 2 and yes i need to get better and i can improve but every fkn team i have just sucks bro i literally can only do so much as a support lol

[@livefreeprintguns]

Flats spectating bronze Overwatch will never, NEVER get old to me.

[@clove2619]

pls don’t feel forced to do this series, we love the series but we also love seeing you do things that are fun for you too ):

[@fuzzau]

"That was an Emongg ult" Had me dying

[@sulferical]

thank you for the kiriko settings tip! i didnt know about the healing setting, i just always thought it was stuck on throwing all the papers out

[@MatheusVenti]

My brain simply can't process the inverted colors for the teams!

[@xavieroak4552]

Trolling riens continue to be the backbone of the OW community. Happy to be a part of the movement 🤓

[@ewoutherder1133]

that widowmaker went crazy

[@Alninio]

Quick correction at 8:42 Flats - Kiriko's papers CAN get eaten by DVA Matrix.

[@ayumumaelstrom2029]

I’m still waiting for Kiriko to have an automatic wall climb toggle like Genji and Hanzo

[@flyphoenix22]

Same sometimes I struggle trying to climb the wall.

[@DjNaste]

Auto climb is pretty cringe.

[@flyphoenix22]

@@DjNaste What’s bad about it?

[@DjNaste]

@@flyphoenix22 the last thing you want to do in a duel is to start wall climbing by mistake. If you're playing around corners (you should be), it's too easy to wall climb by mistake. You want to have full control of when and where you choose to start wall climbing.

[@immafatazn]

@@flyphoenix22 same reason as why the heal shouldn’t be auto like flats said. gives you less control

[@BabyMandingo]

Dude sent this in thinking he looked incredible but had zero positional awareness lol

[@WeR2VEVO]

Dude flats I went back over a year ago to an earlier video and you look fantastic these days man, whatever you're doing keep it up!

[@Strap89]

I've seen some streamer that played Comp overwatch for the First Time, you can really tell: She was placed at silver 1, was standing on playload as Lucio all the time, like afk and She won. In another game that tactic did not work and they lost , She said " i did all that i could, i could not do more", i feel that new "my team Is holding me back" are coming soon. Also, She was terribily bad in comparison with this guy in the video up here, so i find really unfair that She Is playing in silver 1 while this guy up here Is bronze5, no way. She even faced a rein with Lucio in front of all enemy team and got shattered to the ground, i mean i find really hilarious that this kind of new players are placed almost at Gold when they clearly are worst than many people in bronze5. I guess that the streamer Will drop a lot now. Watching the stream and this video i also can tell that apparently in bronze attacks looks Always Better cause the defenders usually do not group up and so attackers are Just pushing the kart for free all the way down. I'm surprised that here they did not get second point

[@Raver_S_Thompson]

kiriko is what battle merc was before. purely on movement alone to get in and out is insane.

[@OmegaSaurus]

I was wondering what was the point of Kiriko having 10 papers and a reload if she threw them all at once (and a really short reload) now it makes sense...

[@mikecicciari845]

you can also click left click again to stop her from throwing all the papers, you dont need to change a setting.

[@Sergmanny46]

In case anyone's wondering, yes. This is the exact same guy from "spectated a bronze kiriko and they learned nothing". Although, not many people can actually learn anything or improve significantly in 5 days, specially if the dude's got a life, plays not too often, etc. So this one meh, will give a pass (First replay was October 27 or before, second replay is posted on halloween, oct 31st). In fact, I'd say he kind of learned. First video he did NOTHING but heal, and only heal. On second video, we clearly see him throwing kunais more often, teleporting to aggressive teammates and assist them, trying to avoid insta deaths with suzu. Progress is progress, so bs on you again Fats.

[@nocommentarygaming3335]

the enemy team is quite garbage, but no shot this kiriko belongs in bronze. Easily gold+, most of the kirikos even in gold are quite braindead and don't know how valuable and useful the protection suzu is.

[@Tailstraw_xD]

I low key love it when Flats is proud of his Bronze babies :3

[@Mocha-Latte]

Okay literally the first few tips in the setting you showed are really helpful, it should genuinely be like that by default.

[@DennisAng]

1:27 When it's on, you click the button once... I'M ON FIRE!

[@noodlesthe1st]

I got some really good tips from this. Thanks for coaching.

[@thesecondguywhoknowsthings7154]

Also the hog using corners was a surprise

[@thesecondguywhoknowsthings7154]

I've noticed something recently a lot of the new players do amazing on attack completely fall apart on defense this goes for all roles but especially on tank and support

[@BrainDent]

You hear that supports we gotta damage AND heal

[@KirbyGamingLive]

That was me, sorry my gaming chair was in the wash

[@BeakerSteve]

I like the Kiriko/Hog combo but for audio standards, Nano'd Sombra is the coolest sound in the game.

[@gloob4742]

you are entertaining flats, simple as that

[@MidasMakeItRain]

Kirko IMO is currently a lot like ana. They get primarily referred to as healers, but they have so much utility in their kits beyond restoring hp. Like with the sleep dart cucking ults, the cleanse can nullify a ton of cooldowns that are key parts of big plays. And then on top of that she has great mobility with the wall climb and teleport. AND like ana her ult enhances a lot of ults, like hog, and it benefits everyone in that area. In lower tiers heroes like reaper, soj, rein, and bastion become absolute menaces when they get that fire rate boost. Also when I play kiriko I find that spamming knives when you don't need to be healing can really add up. Even if you don't hit every headshot, the ones you do hit have such a high multiplier on them that it can instantly force a lot of damage and supports to go defensive or blow survival cooldowns. When you're playing around a shield, or sigma or orisa are eating shots, just toss some knives.

[@PMA_Soul]

the comment about how most support players don't understand that they are supposed to be doing damage is something everyone should know. It is the reason that mercy is no longer viable

[@jeanl7452]

a lot of tips on that one wow !

[@Doom9987]

Looking at the end of the video, when hog was walking in during OT, it looked like matrix ate the papers

[@haffume4293]

My brother never played FPS game and i invited him to Overwatch, Everytime i saw his gameplay it's really pure and weirdly wholesome, as of now he need to win 50QP to unlock and play comp, i for sure am excited to see his 1st Comp match

[@stormbreaker8599]

Watching this reminds me of watching hockey with my dad screaming at the tv thinking the players can hear him

[@javiannahmcbride390]

The kiriko tip in the start with the settings is so helpful, I ddin't even know about it

[@HiddenWindshield]

Yes, Healing Ofuda _can_ be absorbed by Defense Matrix.

[@EvonneSol]

Oh this feels like my gameplay. Halfway through a match I'll suddenly lose focus.

[@unjiegays8722]

For anyone who wants to perfect Kiriko, there’s a custom game you can play which simulates the stress of a battle and can also help you perfect your aim, use of suzu and tp. The code is: NVMEE

[@mitchymitch2169]

Ever since I started watching flats last year I climbed from low silver to high plat, I'm an Ana main

[@Spanishflea.]

Hearing Flats say Kitty-ko over and over is the best part of this video.

[@themostdiabolicalhater5986]

Japenese doesn’t have a proper R sound, it’s more of a mix between a D and an L. He’s saying her name correctly

[@kamillap_]

he's pronouncing it correctly, you misheard the ri sound lol

[@blooskei5388]

I never played Overwatch 1, but I’ve been playing Overwatch 2 and I pick things up super fast. Kiriko was one of my first mains and (even though I’m only silver 5 and still have a long way to go) I agree with pretty much everything you say in this. Thanks for the great vid Flats

[@wanting789]

papers do get eaten dont they

[@zakariasahmane1132]

Alright, if this is bronze 5, it's gonna be a real challenge finding those super duper stooped plays that make us laugh so much :(

[@maximilianschug6271]

Not only bronze 5. Ex 528SR as well

[@purecamellia7457]

Why is nobody talking about the Kiriko's Widow teammate popping off?

[@deamon203]

Literally thank you.. had to stop and like this at 2:00 because of that one kiriko tip

[@franknordlander3876]

Damn, he even got Reverend from rdr2 in this vid. Grats on that, Flats!

[@ron3940]

That alert was hilarious lmao

[@SnakeSkinz]

It's just a completely different game at this elo haha

[@gggaming2009]

theres massive differences between new players, because for instance i came from 900 hours of apex and many other fps games, whilst others came from idk minecraft or something like that, some people have this as their first fps so it is really dependent on where the new players come from which determines how good they are

[@Joukova]

True, a lot of people are coming from valorant and trying ow2 for the first time and they're learning the hard way that their valorant skill doesn't transfer well lol

[@LadyVineXIII]

Very interesting. I learned a few things. Thank you.

[@jacktranter1496]

was looking forward to a spectating bronze as binged watch all the others then i noticed i watched it live :(

[@SirBranDon24]

Climbing out of bronze was a struggle, currently gate kept at gold 1 lol.

[@onelongwordable]

Hey man if you're gold 1 I like to think of it like you're one of the best gold players in the world

[@alitabaker99]

I like his analysis. Subbed.

[@NFCloud]

Finding new players in comp games is fucking awful, I love new players playing the game and shit but they are almost always completely clueless without a lot of hours in quick play or even arcade. 99% of the time it's just like that one guy in the shroud clip recently that was playing lucio and didn't know how to heal people, wallride, or any kind of unique mechanic to the hero. He was shooting them with his gun to try and heal them. The other 1% is smurfs or cheaters, about 50/50 for either so far in high plat-mid diamond.

[@Dipwad_Omega]

I'll give this guy credit, I've been playing a lot of Kiriko lately and even I didn't know that papers couldn't be eaten. Thanks Flats!

[@katharinas6899]

They are eaten though.

[@moofasa6953]

Agreed the cyberpunk skin is a solid C, other than the glowing papers are awesome

[@screally1152]

They didn't wall climb once during this video

[@joeyhaddock3638]

@flats btw yes the papers do get eaten by dva (same with suzu)

[@joeyhaddock3638]

and they also get boosted by bap ult

[@danielgertler5976]

I know i've commented this on one of your videos before, but in lower ranks like gold silver bronze, most players don't have the situational awareness to rotate when the payload moves past them. Plus people don't usually have as sharp of aim that they can completely suppress your ability to move the cart from the high ground. So while I agree that high ground is the smarter way to play, at this rank it really is better to just stand right infront of them and prevent the cart from moving.

[@akadam90]

you said at the beginning "you are a support character not a healing character you need to look for angles and attack then you can just tp back to your teammates" then later on you said "you are kiriko you need to be healing like 80% of the time snd only attacking when there is a flanker" seems a bit contradictory to me.

[@Htiy]

He said the first statement on offense and the second on defense

[@jtiem]

It's so bad when playing with new players. They are crazy oblivious to the objective of the rounds.

[@iamwrong2850]

I don't mind it unless it's comp. Happens in diamond and if it's a tank it's GG

[@darrenvilleneuve8311]

Thanks flats for the tip I'm a suck main but that's something I didn't know I normally come to watch the train wreck but the occasional tip really helps and that's something I didn't know about kiriko

[@AnimeVampire234]

7 min mark when flats is asking is he's feeling alright and looks confuse there. ik what he was looking for lol he just misjudged how far back that wall actually is he attempted to climb the red wall when it's the yellow one that is climbable

[@InfernoReactslolz]

You can attack out the healing animation don't need to turn off the setting

[@animemonsterx]

the pact still exists, i'm happy

[@missacat5027]

ty for the kiriko tip in the start :D

[@someoneguideme]

Now that was a goodie

[@vivid8979]

I kinda hate the influx in reddit posts like "How should I play as a Healer Main", Some people will label it semantics and such but it's the basic understanding of the role itself can help that player immensely.... There are NO healers in this game, we have Supports..

[@feralporpoise37]

The cyberpunk Kiriko skin looks nasty

[@arcanesunku]

"everyone's bronze 5 rn" pls don't do this

[@Apricotlord6]

Flats with the best kiriko tips

[@darkwolf9637]

I love the first person view of the cyberpunk skin but absolutely hate the thrid person look of the skin. Basically the knives, paper, and gloves look amazing everything else about the skin sucks

[@revan5293]

Yup

[@kaijuu_tho]

"Or maybe a DPS clutched out and I lack awareness to notice" Widowmaker was dominating that killfeed lmao, I think lack of awareness to noticing it is correct on their end.

[@Yepsuredid]

I need Flats to spectate my life smh

[@revan5293]

Love waking up to flats

[@andrewfrank18]

Flats you better get used to saying don't cleanse a lot with bronze Kiriko players XD

[@trashyalphys]

Finally, someone agrees with me on her cyberpunk skin😭😭

[@kiriana765]

didnt know about the toggle thanks for that

[@JordyVsTheWorId]

Can we talk about that widow hitting so many headshots, they’re definitely not bronze 5

[@piskipa]

Sure he made mistakes, but being honest this isn't bronze level. This is more like gold, he was at least aware of ults, aim was half decent, not walking in straight line, not afk in payload, like.. you know, what anyone would expect of a bronze level player.