I Spent 7 Days Learning Lucio To See If DPS Lucio Is Still a Thing

Is Reddit Lucio still a thing in Overwatch 2? To find out, I spent one week learning him, including with coaching from Frogger, one of the world's best Lucio content creators!
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[@KeithBallardA]

My friend got flamed for having low healing on Mercy when their team was already winning handily. It's bizarre to me that people will still be toxic when they're not even struggling or losing, but especially frustrating when it involves them just utterly failing to understand what Lucio and Mercy bring to the table when they're choosing not to heal.

[@gladiolus3181]

Had this happen to me too. Can’t remember if I was playing tank or healer. Either way, my team was winning and the dps on my team starting flaming me and the other dps. Called us trash, and told us to “go back to bronze”. I was completely taken aback because we were winning.

[@BrofUJu]

I wonder if this is new people? It's a bit like blaming a Widow for not doing enough damage, even though they're getting the first pick every team fight.

[@Chicken9112]

I don't know all I know is I was winning the match for our team holding the point since everyone else was fight I got the least kills and least deaths but most healing but still got roasted over not helping enough soo I don't really know just putting my word out here no issue hopefully

[@mohammedsaleh7]

I get the same often as Zen. Where I'm often asked to swap off because they need more heals.

[@mohammedsaleh7]

@@BrofUJu as someone playing from launch in 2016, the people hard flaming are not new people. New players do occasionally complain but they also usually put their hands up fairly quickly if they get called out on their bs. Legacy players are the dickheads who act much more high and mighty, all while feeding into the enemy team in a 1v5.

[@wallflower6942]

Plat lucio main here and all of what you said is so true, people are super toxic if you pick lucio. Even some Rein players get mad about low healing when I pick it, even though all their plays are supported by my speedboosts. I feel like it would help if people had a better indicator of when they receive (especially non-amped) speed boost because a lot of players don't notice the huge difference it makes. If your reaper hits a 5 man deathblossem with amped speed people will type "dps diff", and no one in the swrver even notices that without lucios speedboost it would be a 1v5 suicide mission.

[@bigfudge2031]

I had a Reinhardt player tell me to "stop speed boosting him" when he literally wiped the entire enemy team because of my speed boost.

[@ProfDCoy]

As a former OW1 high Plat Lucio main, this is some bizarre world shit. I don't remember ever being flamed for picking Lucio and no one ever complained about speedboost. Wtf happened in the last two years?!

[@SophieFox947]

@@ProfDCoy Back then, he was a must pick in gold and plat for Control maps. quite odd how the tables turn.

[@butter5112]

​@ProfDCoy It's gotten more toxic basically, I remember back in OW1 playing lucio was fun Wether it was QP or Comp but not in OW2, No matter what you play unless it be arcade or mystery hero people will flame you for picking lucio. I'm a diamond lucio and understand how lucio should be played but everyone and I mean everyone will flame you for not healing or for being behind the enemy team killing their supports instead of heal botting now.

[@butter5112]

Just an hour ago I was playing Comp and got flamed from half my team for "not healing enough" while I saved most of my team with boops or speed boosting them outta ults or death situations, I even had more dmg than my dps and elims but I was the "trashcan" for not heal botting🤦‍♂️

[@mq2142]

As a Lucio main, I'm proud of you edit: As a Lucio main, I'm NOT proud of you

[@thestarryeyedobserver]

my brother in 🐸, care to explain why? as a lucio main myself i heard nothing wrong with what he said at the end. it’s part of why i don’t even play OW anymore.

[@mq2142]

@@thestarryeyedobserver yes and maybe, just maybe, am I only running away from the truth. Please let me atleast dream about the good old times, I was never able to witness, bc I'm just one of many Ow2 players. I'm sorry brother 🐸

[@CoglinSherback]

I love the storytelling you put into these videos, keep it up!

[@two-face7100]

Your lobbies are fucked up, as a tank main I always love a Lucio pick so I don't have to deal with my slow walking speed.

[@sickandafraid]

low elo always focuses on heal numbers

[@mayuwu4408]

It's so unfortunate that sometimes in some metagames Lucio can go from the most fun hero to play to meh. I wish the devs leaned into the reddit Lucio playstyle more and try to keep it viable. It's absolutely the most fun way to play Overwatch imo, I've been a Lucio main for years. Recently though, I've been picking up Ball and WOW that has been so much fun too. Whenever reddit Lucio is falling out of style, I know I can play Ball and have a great time.

[@cripticlol7831]

A tracer video(after the lifeweaver) would be probably be good because its hard to get free value from her A doomfist video would also be interesting

[@ojii189]

i am currently a grandmaster lucio main and i agree with what you said at the end. Lucio just isn't as much fun as he used to be, but i still try and play as a reddit lucio and even though i may lose a lot of games doing it i still have a lot of fun bullying the enemy supports and dps

[@lupedust8931]

The combination of: -Tank passive nullifying boop -Worse maps -Nerfed self heal -One less tank to support and one less tank to deny -Genji/Tracer/Reaper etc falling out of favour. -Game slowing down after Brig and Bap were added Is why Lucio has gradually gone from the most fun highest impact character in the game to a fraction of that. He used to be best played as a frontliner who sometimes dives - now he can’t frontline and isn’t even as good at diving either.

[@varlak9061]

Still no idea why they nerfed his self heal, like I feel like they only did that just to make the passive noticeable cuz by the time it triggers my lower passive healing already nearly put me on full health it just weakens me in a fight

[@bigfudge2031]

I would love to see you play Mercy solo queue and then you will know what true pain is (Suffer as I have) People always bitch about damage boost and Rez being "broken" but if you ever played the character you will realise it's impossible to carry 90% of games with Mercy.

[@Raid_3011]

Watch top 500 dps defran, he did an unranked to gm with mercy. Got gm already last season. Not impressed 😂

[@Fi4z]

I can't upvote this series enough. Genuinely I think its the best OW2 content on youtube. Thank you so much for all of these. Its an inspiring and inviting idea. keep up the good work!

[@ProPex580]

Interesting point of view. It's crazy once you really get to know the hero, it changes your perspective. If I feel bored of healing, I go on Lucio and have a bit of fun before changing back, but thats because I'm not godlike with him

[@jacobbaartz7710]

I cop my fair share of toxicity as a lucio one-trick these days, but I didn't expect to hear you say it's more than Sobra or Hammond would get. I've been telling myself the reason I don't enjoy ana/zen since ow2 is that they're strong in the least engaging ways, but I didn't realise that extended to lucio. Sure I know that no-one works with the character, and he's getting a little power crept (be it passives, heros or maps), but it didn't occur to me that his best matchup would be farming tanks for ult. Oh well, I'll choose what's fun over what's meta anyway.

[@JiorujiDerako]

Voting for Sym as the next to learn! Doom is also really tempting, but I feel like there's a _ton_ of nuance with Sym that would be a lot of fun to watch you go through (and tbh it might even be hard to do all that in just one week). Also a comment on the video's end, how Lucio currently is feeling... boring. It's a real bummer to hear that, but also a perfect match for what Eskay said in one of her own recent videos. Her and Frogger are two of the biggest names in Lucio gameplay, the crazy plays and the rollouts and all that, but Eskay herself said that right now, Lucio just... isn't fun to play for her. Hopefully in the future the devs can figure out some way to give Lucio some of his fun-ness back, though it's tough since it's not like he's been reworked or heavily nerfed; it's just that with the way OW2 and its meta works, he's lost his niche in that, I feel.

[@andrewg8047]

As a plat/diamond tank, i love to see a lucio running around. Dont care if it sucks or not chaos is always good in my opinon.. and im ALWAYS pushing with the speed boost. Might be my fav support to play next to

[@A_Random_IRS_B0T_]

If there’s one thing I’ve learned playing Lucio, it’s that not matter what I do! I’m not fast enough to avoid the IRS!

[@gqvVn]

it's a struggle being a lucio main 😭 you just gotta get used to being flamed every single day 💀💀

[@DNYLNY]

I love how SVB got flamed in plat for playing DPS Lucio and being defiant about it. Then when he talked with a rank 1 Lucio, frogger, he basically confirmed all the flamers by saying yea, actually you should focus on your team and farm ult charge instead.

[@anthonyk3952]

Wow, you know players are garbage when they flame you for playing to the character's actual strengths (team mobility) and not their their perceived strengths (team healing).

[@val26874]

I'd like to see you do this with Kiriko - I hear people say a lot that she's hard to climb on and has low winrate everywhere below GM, but it's so much fun zipping round everywhere and just doing a little bit of whatever wherever it counts.

[@Selyder]

could be a nice colab with ML7 too

[@samhhhhh]

1:56 How in the ever living fuck is it so difficult for me to get plat if these people don't even understand the value of speed boost. This is fundamental shit! Blows my mind.

[@Wulfereene]

It's so sad that every play hero for 7 days challenge essentially is a story about being flamed by toxic teammates. Overwatch really has some nasty people on the community. And it's always ranks that have questionable knowledge and skill. The new challenge now is play any hero 7 days and don't get hate.

[@apollidoe6651]

Yeah, I got so upset when he was describing how his teammates treated him, it's disgusting and I hope he gets enough rest between each run at the series because that kind of toxicity is awful

[@henryjones2169]

The Lucio play style from ow1 to ow2 has changed so much. When ow2 first went live my Lucio dropped so much because I was used to running more of a reddit style dps Lucio but that style has just gotten so much harder in ow2. It's still doable but if the enemy team has a few counters to you you just have to be more of a heal and speed bot and run the game with good communication. As soon as I adjusted my play style I jumped right back to masters.

[@cillo1]

You should try mei next. I've been locking her only for a week now to learn her more and the higher I get (masters 3 and higher) the more I get road blocked. The general "wall the tank and kill him" playstyle doesn't seem to work anymore. Been opting for more value out of consistent icicle (right click) dmg and just PUMPING out blizzards since the ult charge cost is so low. I still lose games like this too where I have 20!!! BLIZZARD kills in 17 min lol

[@ExpertCobra-tn1vt]

People didn’t know that speed is good because so many new players game and filled up a lot of the lower ranks. It took years in ow1 for people to recognize that speed is good in gold and the new players caused the veterans to move up in rank due to how ranking works… it’s unfortunate but it will be all good soon

[@victor9]

New to overwatch and I can say, I love lucio, he was very very very difficult to learn, worse im on console so adjusting movement on the vertical axis is a nightmare! The worst pain I have ever felt in a game is when I Ajex! However the joy of wall riding everywhere, wining a low level duel and the alert you get for MIT during a beat are all worth the trouble! My advice to anyone trying for the first time is to PLEASE go into settings and turn backwards wall riding on! its exponentially makes wall riding easier!

[@bbyowll]

Your points at the end are so spot on, and heartbreaking for all of us (former) lucio mains

[@sweatinblood7400]

Yeah, I've felt this, but -- hearing daddy frogger say it was a little too real for me. It is a real shame because playing a good DPS lucio has spent a lot of time mastering a lot of tricky mechanics, learning rollouts and escapes (like 800 hrs between console/pc) -- and figuring out some tough matchups. But the game has been balanced into a state where this playstyle is easy to punish, I struggle a lot with slow-playing teams, who, even with comms, won't use speed boost to overwhelm their opponents or chase down the disengage. Cassidy/zen are tough matchups now; the boop has become one of the weakest displacement abilities -- and is best used for pushing people out of positions or preventing supports from making escapes. But heck -- there are a lot of getting outta jail cards on many heroes. Beat is excellent but it requires relatively perfect timing, and I'll always hold it for a second too long to save a melted tank. I don't think Lucio needs buffs to be successful; I think the game could just use a reigning in of many, --EXTREMELY STRONG-- abilities that save people when they're making mistakes -- grenade, Suzu, life-grip, fade, slide -- etc. I hope the devs pay more attention to how they fit into an aggressive meta, even if S4's patch notes specifically avoid thinking Luico's place in the game. I'll see you in the backline, winning my last good matchup, widowmaker.

[@DaraulHarris]

> Nobody knows what speed boost does anymore When I first played Overwatch, I locked Soldier. This was before role queue. I soon noticed that I could run really fast out of spawn, but then I'd slow down at the point. I thought this was a Soldier thing -- that maybe he could move really quickly at the beginning of the game. Then I noticed it happened on Zarya, Widow, Mercy, whoever. I figured maybe this is just how all heroes work. Nope. It was Lucio. Those were the days when Lucio was a must pick, and everybody would speed their team to the point, then go "yellow song". Those were the days

[@demi8neko557]

Mercy and Lucio are the definition of "Support" Healing isn't their biggest role

[@SophieFox947]

Honestly, none of the supports have healing as their biggest role, if played ideally. Ana - Antinade and sleep Kiriko - suzu, mobility and kunai headshots Moira - decent damage (she has the least utility of all of 'em) Brig - disruptiveness and survivability with her shield Baptiste - Immortality field and verticality to rival kiriko Lucio - Speed Boost and Boop Mercy - Damage Boost and Rez Zenyatta - Minus 20% HP to the enemy tank (because f*ck you) Lifeweaver - Rescue (for your inting tank) and platform (because granny can't get up the stairs in time) All of these define the playstyle of the hero to a way higher degree than their healing (except maybe Moira) and that's without mentioning their ultimates.

[@lukasnielsen2839]

As someone in plat on tank and gold dps, the reason I think Lucio has a bad rep, is because of a lot of wannabe reddit lucio players that think they are Frogger but aren't. The mechanical skill and gamesense needed to play lucio optimally is just not something most gold/plat players have and so Lucio often is less desired than simpler supports with more reliable kits. I get your points in this vid, and there are no excuses for toxicity, but you are a GM player smurfing in these lobbies and a lot of these players live there. Your experience is not comparable, just as your skill level isnt. And yeah, muting all voice and text and still ranking up works well when you are essentially smurfing, but for those of us trying to rank up "naturally" having voice comms is really important.

[@shioramenrabbit]

You see, the problem is that no matter what anybody says, the community where most of the community thinks it exists (plat) absolutely *hates* support as a role, unless you're fulfilling their healbot wet dream. It doesn't matter what you do or who you play, in Plat and into Diamond, everybody thinks that all you should do is what they tell you to do, and what they tell you to do, is to heal, regardless of whether that's what the problem is or not. You can be playing a hero so suboptimally that you are essentially soft throwing your own games, but as long as that heal number looks good, nobody will say boo to you. And these players wonder why they can't rank up, and it's because they made the first fatal mistake - listening to the opinions of a single person in this game because no matter what they think they know, they're wrong. The DPS is wrong. The tank is wrong, Your other supp is wrong. The enemy team is wrong. That streamer is wrong (probably). I'm wrong. Nobody knows a damn thing at any point up until probably GM, and that is a fact.

[@Memo-yh4nc]

To be fair, if I get a Moira that is purely dpsing, but who doesn’t understand how to dps good with her and just keeps on dying, I’ll also just lock Moira in spawn just so they stop throwing with her. But that was back when I was in silver and gold. I don’t really see players that are super bad in Plat or Diamond now.

[@carneloot]

"One of the world's best Lucio players" OK IS IT ESKAY OR FROGGER?

[@S0UPIE]

Guys dont listen to him, this is propaganda from the widow mains who don't want to get bullied all game. Stay strong Lúcio's, Blizzard will buff us one day

[@stevensmoltz4383]

Plat until mid master genuinely cannot play the game at higher speeds, the speed boost fucks them up. And then it becomes your fault for making them go to fast.. overwatch is the most pathetic community. League is toxic but my god they at least KNOW their game

[@bellaboo818]

This is a prime example of why the scoreboard did more bad than good people just pull it up and think low healing=throwing I had a game yesterday on zen where I got hard blamed for losing because I had 10k healing and our ana had 12k even though I had more damage and elims than both my dps combined and as someone who plays those types of characters like zen lucio brig and sometimes mercy stuff like that happens way to often and I’m in masters 3 people are just stupid at all ranks not just the low ones

[@Gibbypastrami]

6:05 this is exactly why those players flamed you for picking him *they don’t know what speedboost does* Lucio doesn’t heal as much as others and his healing isn’t burst so it isn’t readily apparent, and speedboost does nothing if the team doesn’t capitalize, those dudes calling you slurs are the teammates not using speed to flank, they don’t see speedboosts value so they don’t see Lucios But also, like, if your team is going in with your speed and y’all are still getting clapped, might be time to swap, it’s like with Ana, if all of your anti’s are getting cleansed or ignored by the team, and your sleeps are all getting protected, you aren’t getting the most value out of her and might do better using someone else, but like, all the clips you’ve shown had been good or at least decent gameplay, your pick isn’t the problem lol

[@kyotoguitar6463]

A free hug to anyone with the right answer: what's necessary on pro teams and hated by the community (which can't rotate maps, kite skills neither stop bodyshooting Widow from a static position)?

[@jonathanerhard8353]

I love when ppl are mad over healing numbers... Or any stats actually. Damn our widow has less dmg that a bastion farming hog all game? Must be a dps diff

[@NerdMayvinPhile]

Maybe its because I play support more than the other two roles but I genuinely get mad if a Mercy isn't damage boosting or a Lucio isn't speeding. They are supports with utility and it irritates me when it isn't used just because other idiot teammates don't understand utility vs healing. I rather see a support play as one instead of a healbot so I'm sorry that you got abused by closed minded teammates.

[@youaremystarr]

As a Lucio main, I literally felt everything in this video. The hate especially, I'm low Diamond/high plat and I'm constantly flamed, I'm not too bothered by the flames but this video was another level. I get quite a few throwers but my god. I barely ever join vcs anymore and this video explains why Edit: i love the random noises that Frogger makes 😂

[@puckettjoe23]

I never understood the fact that apparently I should take honest advice from people who r average at best or hardstuck garbage at worst. Like dude if ur advice worked, u wouldn't be plat or gold

[@mattxzilla3938]

Dva is very misunderstood, and I’d love a learning journey video for her.

[@RenbroNL]

Lol this is exactly how my lazy newb ass plays Lucio. I found it easy value. No way did it expect it to be his optimal playstyle though

[@neon5261]

After live weaver can you play Orisa? This series made me sub to your channel so I would love to see you play Orisa after you’re done with life weaver

[@TheRealNickG]

Nicely done. I got on Lucio about a year ago and never looked back. I only kinda disagree about it being boring simply because of the disengagement par excellence that is even more necessary in OW2 without the second tank and the fact that I like fighting in the mix. I personally enjoy the mechanics and "slipperiness", regardless of playstyle, so much that everything else feels uninspiring. I like me some Zen and Ana from time to time but Lucio made me love the game again when I almost gave up in the last year of OW1.

[@jonathasvieira6414]

Exactly this. Unfortunately Lúcio is not that fun anymore. Unironically I have more fun playing Brig these days. I love Lúcio and still play him, specially in arcade or deathmatch just to chill, but in normal games I don't pick him that often anymore. And now with the changes to Brig, I'll probably play her even more.

[@cliffordcanfield9541]

welcome to gold and plat. My account got banned cause of people like your orisa and hog 4:40 ends up which hunting people by getting others to report you since they don't like the hero or etc

[@flareb99]

That guy who picked Lucio to stop you was funny as hell lmao.

[@nillsontheirish4445]

Dude did the same thing to me as brig lol

[@jaysonpalmer8072]

I bullied an ana to the point they report me. This happened while I was on Lucio. I play console but I am good with his mobement

[@kennyjohnson26]

Yellow healing song is actually waayyy to funny, I’m only referring to it as such from now on 😂😂

[@jadeonhowell2209]

I can understand the reaction to ball and sombra because they are so hard to play around. Lucio is the least offensive hero in the game

[@mrmcmuffin1379]

I think it would be super cool if you learned Winston because he seems different than other tanks, you cant just get out in the front line, and start getting kills, its a slower process, and tbh I dont see that many Winston players anymore.

[@leelaalila8334]

I would like to see a Cassidy Video. I always hear that it is super easy to get value with him but whenever I play him, I just die. I have no idea how to position with him effectively

[@UnicornedBatman]

I would love to see you try Tracer after Lifeweaver. The hero pool you seem confident with all seem to be the on the slower side but you wanting to be a reddit Lucio says to me that you somewhat want to try to add the fast characters to your roster so I feel like Tracer would fill that spot perfectly

[@crackerman5519]

the flaming is why i stopped playing him and swapped mains. its insane how much stats matter to mid elo players

[@Shupra94]

As a lucio main this video hit me in the feels. The old playstyle is indeed dead, and it seems that the fun of lucio has been sucked dry by the switch to OW2. Big shoutout to frogger for continuing to make fantastic and hilarious lucio content.

[@pandamarine]

That's it. I'm staying in bronze. Screw trying to get to Platinum.

[@nathanfreitas1938]

Try Doomfist, i'd love to see it as a Doom main.

[@theerandomdude2375]

Note: if you have a lucio on your team, protect your other support more often as lucio is pretty much fine as long as you have a good second support

[@Crit7k]

People never believe me when i talk about how horrible it can be being a lucio player, im glad you're showing it in this video Edit: 4:55 this happened towards the end of overwatch 1. lol

[@whyreally685]

Plats have no mechanics, if you speedboost them they miss even more shots.

[@Jamesy582]

Well obviously the metal ranks know more than pro players...

[@azure5644]

A Doomfist vid would be interesting because a lot of people think he’s a throw pick but pros get a lot of value out of him and Symmetra would be interesting because she’s so unconventional

[@GirusBetterThanVirus]

As a Lucio main(plat 5) my playstyle with him is helping the team out but going for a pick if i have an opportunity to.

[@Avionnnn]

How did you get a new phone number to make a new account for this?

[@catherineb8330]

Overwatch incels when you play the game in the way you want: 😧

[@jakereynolds9652]

Great content! I love your story telling and podcasts. I'm fairly new to Overwatch, got into it within the last year and a half of Overwatch 1 and I genuinely appreciate how in the podcasts you keep a level headed mentality. Not afraid to play devils advocate to keep many fresh perspectives. Amazing content man, love it!

[@JJLF_PLAYZ]

The stream chat when they guy said yellow song wen crazy

[@meleerocker3642]

Whenever I play Lucio or Zenyatta and die quickly for making a simple mistake that I can correct myself next time. My teammates would say “Lucio/Zenyatta throwing, gg,” so on and so forth. They even give up and continue to be a keyboard master in the chat. However I constantly try to focus on what I can focus and play the way I wanted to. Lucio and Zenyatta are still my favorite hero’s to play and I will always be playing them. No matter how much I must suffer, cause I would rather suffer, learn, adapt and succeed, instead of giving up and complaining.

[@ZaineTheMan]

Wow pc comp pools are pretty harsh, I’m plat 3 with Lucio on console and haven’t heard anything like this.

[@yeetdagamer8546]

For some reason my ranked games are less toxic than the qp games it's honestly stunning. I can have a bad game in ranked and not get flamed but when I was trying lifeweaver I got so much hate.

[@Ezprozpo]

Cause pc is just sweaty bastards

[@IzzyIkigai]

As an off heal(mostly zen/lucio) in gold/plat I rarely play with chat enabled. The abuse is bad enough as is when you're queer, I don't need to get shit from people who run into damage and then complain that you can't heal headshots or 30k/10min.

[@xScadonx]

I'm actually very thankful for this video. Despite the fact that I don't play OW2 anymore. Lucio was in OW1 always one of my 2 main healers and I love him for his flexibility and the amount he can contribute to the team, even tho they don't notice that. And I constantly struggled with what you experienced too. People not understanding this Hero, demanding me to switch off because I don't heal enough, despite me having actually high healing numbers. And they don't see how valuable he is in crowd control and in controlling engagements with his speed boost. Any time I got a tank to play as a team with me, we dominated. Because speeding Tanks can put a ton of pressure on the enemy team, that they often cant handle. And the help you give to your team with quick kills or controlling single enemies like Reaper. Making sure your tanks don't even take the dmg in the first place is so much better than healing the dmg.

[@justarock4085]

I lost a comp game when I got the entire enemy team with a shatter, but Lucio was on yellow song, so while I could kill their support and dps with about 2 swings, but because Lucio was simply there I would’ve needed about 5 swings, and by that time they would’ve gotten up. In short, we lost the game because Lucio simply existed. Lol.

[@POTGMACHINE]

I saw the "Yellow Song" clip a while back and didn't realize what it meant until now! Also, really looking forward to the Lifeweaver video.

[@jacobishere5189]

I climbed to Masters as Lucio onetrick and the start of S4 has been so hard for me in the mental game. We love “Avoid CoolFrog for wins”, “k y s”, and “never queue again”

[@Jermzow]

i swear sym is a more popular main than lucio at this point, last season was big on rein and ram comps, yet I NEVER see a lucio, either the new players dont know how to use him yet or he really is boring as hell now and needs some changes to make him more fun

[@cal4837]

Yellow song is fucking hilarious

[@yeetdagamer8546]

_pls use yellow song_

[@elucidator1277]

It would have been nice if you actually defined what a "reddit lucio" was, in video. Ive never heard this term and im sure some ppl never have either.

[@whoamI-tk3qz]

A lucio who is constantly in the enemies backline killing and disrupting the enemy team or you know feeding

[@yeetdagamer8546]

​@@whoamI-tk3qz _there is no such thing as feeding on Lucio, it's called "live with speed, die mid beat"_

[@elucidator1277]

@@whoamI-tk3qz Cool, I get that...but why specifically is it called "Reddit" Lucio? Where did the reddit part come from?

[@ultimateblaze23]

speed boot is worthless without mics and willing teammates, i think the same problems will happen to Lifeweaver both his abilitys will be close to useless without coordination.

[@noahbrown7741]

They mad cuz you're pretty good❤❤❤❤❤😊

[@almighty_milkman4883]

I’m a chronic quick player but I love playing lucio and since OW came out I was never informed enough to know about “reddit Lucio” playstyle lol. I switch to lucio when we aren’t getting enough heals and usually when there’s only one healer in a quick play match. I agree speed boost is lost and not very appreciated in QP, but I use it more now thanks to videos like this 😅 That being said I stay on YELLOW SONG a lot and go for big wall rides and bullying from the flanks, i pick people off with his sound wave gun , and just like you said about tank assist. Since I was never solely aggressive or “heal bot” with him I had fun. I also certainly don’t care what flamers say !!! Heal urself mo fo!!! I died speed boosting to you and you didn’t even know I was chasing you !!! Stupid quick play lol

[@jaxonumberger3179]

You should learn doomfist! He can be a very viable pick in a lot of situations, and can actually hard carry, contrary to popular belief.

[@maximocaceres3895]

Ive just started maining lucio and MY GOD is it true that he is the most flamed hero, BY FAR. Im on silver and people just dont know that they are called SUPPORTS for a reason, they just see low healing = bad and flame you for not going with them 2vs5 and tell you to swap to MERCY

[@comocha9277]

I always hate when people flame you to switch off supports and play Kiriko or Ana...People have fun playing certain heroes so just let them play it...imagine if you're forced to switch off your favorite dps/tank and play someone you don't like EVERY GAME, it would make it not fun at all. It's ok if you politely ask, but if they decline don't be an a** about it.

[@kermitlefrohg3232]

I love Lucio, and not to toot my own horn but I’m pretty decent as him, but it fucking sucks. All I hear sometimes is “heal more” or “heal diff” and it’s so annoying. I don’t understand why people can’t get that SUPPORTS are not HEALERS. Look at literally any support, namely brig, Baptiste, lifeweaver, and Lucio, they all have at least one thing that makes them not only heal. Lucio has boop and speed boost, brig has a shield and shield bash, baptiste has a literal immortality zone, lifeweaver has his platform and life grasp. It’s so annoying to get shit from people when they’re playing like utter ass Edit: I also remember specifically, one of my friends said I should get more speed amp not heal amp. And until we stopped playing together he kept saying “it’d be nice if I could get some fucking heals” and then I’d amp speed then he’d tell me to do speed then I do speed and it went in an infinite loop

[@azraelselvmord3650]

This is why I don't play comp. OW community is so toxic and childish. Someone legit called me trash because I'm unranked. lol How do you know, I could be a god. I just refuse to play comp. I only wanted the game for the PvE. Now that it's gone. So is the game's space on my SSD.

[@lwonka4310]

Honestly , I would agree that muting all chat is the best peace you're gonna get in this game . Unfortunately , it's the best peace you're gonna get in ANY multiplayer game , but I feel like O.W.2 is the worst offender cause it lets your enemy team roast you too. That's uniquely to Overwatch cause you can be just doing your best or trying a new legend , and the enemy team will start flaming you . Then your team does it , and pretty soon everything negative that happens is your fault. It's wild that grown ass people will literally call you everything over a game designed for children 😂😂 Either way , whatever game I'm playing I'll have my team muted from the start , cause 90% of people that play are toxic , especially in the O.W.2 community cause they all expect you to play the game THEIR way . So you gotta pick what character they think you should play , and if you don't , everything from then on is your fault.

[@bananapudding179]

I enjoy watching you learn characters that seem daunting at first like wreaking ball however it’s satisfying seeing you become rather well at said character So I’m voting for doom

[@rage_tv4493]

Playing lucio like a support isn’t possible in solo q. If you have buddies that listen to your calls when to go in with speed and especially when to RUN THE FUCK AWAY. It’s a lot easier to get value. Using voice chat doesn’t just solve all issue with lucio. “Just shot call with you team and you’ll get value even in solo q.” It’s not that easy. People will not be in VC, will just blatantly ignore you, or think they are hot shit and say don’t tell me what to do. This is why lucio only works if you Reddit now. Even then it’s still really bad. Supports are stronger than ever and for some reason lucio just feels different to me. Eskay talks about this where lucio doesn’t quite feel the same. It’s so much harder to go on your own to duel now it feels like anytime you do the entire team will look at you. Whether it’s fan behavior, meta has come to completely counter dive, or both he just doesn’t work anymore. Tank passive is too strong against lucio, his healing gets out classed for obvious reasons, and people are just too stupid to understand what speed does. I have damn near given up on trying to make lucio work in solo. I swap mains to playing a lot more zen and monke brain ez discord go brrr. Even tho I like playing zen I don’t like him more than lucio. Mercy, kiriko, Ana, Moira are all just over shadowing lucio. The just massive healing output from these characters is insane when you’re trying to take a duel. You always have someone come butt in on your fun and it’s always one of these characters. Bap I’ve never had an issue with bcz he’s always focused on the whole team rather than one individual. He also never wastes lamp to save one person off to the side. Brig, zen, have low healing so it doesn’t really matter too much. But overall lucio DOES feel like a throw pick. I just want to play my favorite character again without him being the absolute worst at everything. The one thing he’s good at he can’t do if no one listens to you.

[@kemecloud1503]

i commend you for not tilting - Toxic OW players bring out the worst in people. IMHO OW needs harsher consequences for AFKs, Toxicity and Throwing.

[@evates7553]

Hope some buffs come out in future patch notes, I used to play him all the way back in console & it was so much fun throughout my ow journey. In 2019 I got pc & still had the same enjoyment, but when ow2 came out; my mind has officially changed………… he’s boring now lol

[@Zylperion]

I’m kinda late, but I’ve had more fun with Lucio than any other support, dps, or tank in the few days I’ve played him. (Nothing wrong with how you feel, just thought I’d share this lol. (And for a time stamp 10:46 ).)

[@dliriumtrigger]

I started playing OW around season 14. Climbed up to plat with Lucio, dipped straight down to silver from most gold/plat throwing games, even when i'd switch off lucio.

[@toxicfiend]

I cant play Lucio, i really suck at him. I wish i could play him tho 🤣 But whenever i get a Lucio in my team i usually dont know what to play, since most people who play Lucio doesnt care at all at peeling for the other support and also use beat for himself, so then i end up playing Moira (im an Ana/Mercy main mostly). However, whenever i get a great Lucio in my team i enjoy it, sadly it rarely happens.. Worst thing is that ive dropped from high master to low diamond on support at the end of the last season, and i tried to get back for 2 weeks, but no, 50/50 is the real deal ig.. There has been so many throwers at the end of the season it actually pissed me off! Maybe i should give Lucio a try to climb back up now when reddit Lucio isnt the playstyle anymore 😄

[@breadgonebad3727]

I'm friggin bronze and people flame and act toxic even when we're winning. Although I win very rarely :P I might follow the advice of just shutting down chat and voip.

[@digdoug5125]

One of the key reasons metal rank players hate lucio is because of his lack of burst healing. He cant keep up with the sheer amount of damage that tank players withstand in an extended teamfight from taking too much poke or mispositioning. Since he cant heal a reinhardt from 100hp to full in 3 seconds, hes not worth running. And as SVB said, people dont know how to engage OR disengage with speed boost.

[@mohammedsaleh7]

As someone who mostly hovers plat/diamond, I have had so many people just ask me to swap off Zen because they want more heals. Even had the same hero steal on Circuit Royale last season. We picked suboptimal healer combo of Zen Lucio but we still made it through the entire map with about 2 minutes on the clock (would've been quicker if the Lucio on my team used his without needing to be told to). Then they decided to take my Zen pick away on the defence and play on the front line with the tank. Inevitably leading them to die much more often.

[@nycempirestate4689]

In OW, the only way to not get flamed playing support, is to have higher healing numbers than the other teams. When thats the case, the tank and dps players start flaming each other. I could easily have 15k plus healing a match, but that doesn’t mean we’ll win. Sometimes, a confirmed kill is way more valuable than healing. Healing a player through a duel that they’re going to lose because the other player is just better, instead of helping them kill that player is a good example. Now its a trade, instead of you’re dead and the Tracer recalls and we’re down one. People legit hate dying in this game, but its ok as long as you win the team fight.