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[@GodlyNib]

I like how Silver having a non-shiny starter could be argued that he was framed for robbing Professor Elm's lab.

[@ChrisAtheist]

Probably by Lyra or how her name is, she clearly did see silver and thought nice way to frame him Why would she do steal a Pokemon from her father? Simple he didn't want to give her another Pokemon but she wanted a second Pokemon And framing Team Rockets leaders Son is the perfect way ,okay but how did she know Silver is Giovanni's Son?🤔 Guess I'm wrong?

[@Lucifronz]

@@ChrisAtheist Correction: Ethan/Lyra are unrelated to Elm. It's not like Blue/Gary in Gen 1 or Brendan/May in Gen 3. Elm gets no bitches.

[@miles6492]

Nah, he gets ONE bitches. He has a wife and young child, it's just not Ethan/Lyra. @@Lucifronz

[@Heinz_Egbert]

​@@Lucifronzpretty sure in hggs theres a second floor to his house, where his wife and kid lives?

[@tomalator]

He stole the shiny an painted it normal colors to.avoid detection, the clever bastard!

[@PillzmansFox]

I heard HeartGold shiny hunt and immediately thought "there is no way this man is going for a triple shiny."

[@WiiFan-1300]

Same!! 🤣

[@danieltsiu7383]

Well that would have been a different video for stuff people rarely see. This is a confirm myths video.

[@Klekowksii]

That would be an aproximate chance of 1/68719476736

[@matthewmihaljevic3431]

​@@Klekowksii"Hey Ferb, I know what we're gonna do this Summer"

[@CottonCandySweetTart]

​@@matthewmihaljevic3431more like this next 5 years minimum for that odds

[@BloodThirstyAvengers]

Another fun fact about the Double Battle with Steven: If you face him in Meteor Falls for his post-game fight, he thanks you for your help at the Sootopolis Space Centre. The Space Centre is in Mossdeep, not Sootopolis.

[@Insert.Oregano]

doesnt he live in mossdeep, too? ore maybe that's only true in ORAS idk. still hilarious

[@BloodThirstyAvengers]

@@Insert.Oregano Nah, you're right. At least, he has a house in Mossdeep where the player can get a Beldum in Emerald.

[@eliotdeneux804]

So does it mean that if you cheat to level up his metang to lvl100 he will have an op metang in this fight ?

[@nokti...]

he just got a bit silly

[@eddiemate]

@@eliotdeneux804 No. It’s the same as Wally's shiny Ralts in the tutorial. Anything in that one instance is self-contained, and won’t change any of the trainer data.

[@ZombieXHunter115]

I remember messing around with XP using a gameshark as a kid on Emerald. I leveled up and evolved Steven's Metang to Metagross too lol. One odd thing I noticed is that Metagross gets fully registered in your dex.

[@galacticc23]

this is cool

[@JaneValentine007]

I still have my gameshark sp and yeah its weird, just like the vid where you can also change the moves LOL

[@urbz100]

A wins a win😂

[@Mad-Lad-Chad]

Glad you posted this because I had been wondering about this exact thing after watching the video. It actually makes sense, or at least I think it does. The game seems to treat Steven's Metang as though it belongs to the player despite giving control of it to the NPC. So as far as the game is concerned when it evolves, it's YOUR Metang that evolves. That would explain why you can teach it moves and why you get Pokédex credit when it evolves.

[@BruceBoyde]

The stuff with Steven's Metang was intensely satisfying. I love that it fundamentally treats it as your pokemon but out of your control.

[@amiracle3390]

I wonder if you were to change the metang’s entire move set if it would any effect in the final fight against Steven’s Metagross

[@BruceBoyde]

@@amiracle3390 I wouldn't think so, but that would be cool if it did. I'm assuming that Pokemon basically codes each "version" of a given NPC as fundamentally different characters. They look the same and all that, but from a coding perspective are different trainers.

[@doubl2480]

What I want to know is, once you evolved the Metang, was Metagross registered in the pokedex?? That's something I'm really curious about, cause the evolution cutscene happens exactly as one of your own Pokemons! I hope Phin answers this, I wanna know!

[@USELESSDCK]

​@@BruceBoydeyou are correct, each trainer, whether they be the same trainer is coded as if they were different. There's a series of videos where a ytber takes every single trainer in the code in gen 1 and puts them in a tournament to see rankings.

[@Arachisage]

I wonder if it adds metagross to your Pokédex?

[@chadgorosaurus4898]

I love how he's just able to customize that Metang without Steven's permission.

[@randomdeliveryguy]

That's like taking ur dog for a walk with a friend and when you get home he forgot how to sit but can now do a flip.

[@L337P1R4735]

I would have made it forget psychic

[@jameswest9684]

its my pokemon now muhahahahahaha :p

[@chux4w]

And yet Steven seemed to be totally cool with it. He spammed his new Iron Defense.

[@salthesalmonshark6849]

He's a chill guy, he probably didn't mind it, he even used Iron Defense with Metang

[@ShiningDanny]

I could be wrong, but I believe the Raikou is technically gone from the route once you end the battle, so that may be why it never happened if it is possible! Also I'd be very interested to see if Steven's Metagross' levels follow what you progressed later on, I doubt it but it'd be so cool!

[@Ariento]

Yep, roamers change routes when the battle ends. If the footage of waiting for the cry was indeed taken after the battles with Latios and Raikou, then it was impossible to hear them since they were no longer there.

[@Sesilan.]

Yes, you are correct, he even checks the Pokédex and you can see it’s changed routes but he doesn’t acknowledge that.

[@kieran8266]

signal boost

[@arsenaltengu01]

Yeah i 100% remember latios and latias cries when theyre nearby

[@DS-sm3nu]

I had the exact same thought. I know your idea is correct because on my first playthrough as a kid, I had to setup a mean look golbat to trap the pokemon because the roaming dogs flee the first chance they get and then I'd have to chase them around the map.

[@blitz2524]

Much respect to this madlad for doing a full odds shiny hunt just for us

[@TopicSmokeDT]

It is, but how can you be sure it was full odds?

[@llmalex4176]

If he was going to cheat, he couldve made all three starters shiny and tested it anyway. So, no i dont believe he cheated, cause if he did he just waisted 3 days of his life lol

[@MousechrisTFM]

It's not exactly full odds, as you see 3 pokemon at once, so you get 3 rolls for shinies

[@christoffer8076]

@@MousechrisTFMare you dumb?

[@daltonlovescake2227]

@@MousechrisTFMyeah but that’s still full odds. That’s like saying hunting in scarlet and violet isn’t full odds because you see several at once.

[@dylansturdivant5404]

I believe the fusion bolt thing, but shouldn't you have tried to use a ground type thats immune to it to really test it?

[@TWLSpark]

It probably will pick something else, but I think the point he was making is that the AI is hardcoded to pick Fusion Bolt (or Reshiram's Fusion Flare, if playing the other version) if the opponent can be damaged by it, even if your Pokemon resists the move. It's a nice touch, honestly.

[@dylansturdivant5404]

Makes sense, I was just wondering if it was so hard coded that he would click it even if you're immune, cause that'd be funny and easy to exploit. I wonder about volt absorb/wonder guard as well since I don't think the AI immediately sees abilities

[@jocloud31]

Exactly what I was thinking too. It's worth testing at least

[@StepBaum]

Maybe in part 3@@dylansturdivant5404

[@dylansturdivant5404]

Oh wait. Teravolt. Nevermind the ability part!

[@cobbly]

The scream of pain when you saw that Cyndaquil wasn't shiny killed me

[@MarioMastar]

It's the Wally and shiny raltz all over again. He dumps it for a regular one later. FUNNILY ENOUGH....in Pokemon Masters EX turns out he actually KEPT the Shiny Raltz after all... since he has a Gallade and a shiny Gardevoire. So....bro's canon.

[@Sesilan.]

FYI, when you encountered the Latios and Raikou you made them move to a different route meaning you wouldn’t hear the cry anymore if you could. (Look at the location for Raikou after you encountered it, it’s down past fushia)

[@lerdog]

The shiny Johto starter was tested by Nerdycat92 over three years ago (and her vid's still up). She "cheated" to get the answer faster, so even tho I already knew the result beforehand, I admire your dedication to the task!

[@Nerdycat]

Oh my goodness 🥺 I was not expecting anyone to remember or mention my rival shiny starter video! 🥺 I really really appreciate you doing that, it means so so much! 🥺🥺

[@shdanny1517]

Because the metang evolved during the battle, if you didn’t have Metagross in the pokédex, would you now have it’s entry? Or would it even say you own it? Would be interested to know!

[@gratedshtick]

I feel like it should. When a Pokémon evolves, the game considers like you caught it.

[@mertensiam3384]

Yes, it does get registered

[@JamieC_94]

I came here into the comments to ask this question. I strongly suspects it does, but would like to know.

[@Johncornwell103]

I wonder how it effects the rest of the playthrough

[@maximumbeans9310]

@@Johncornwell103That occurred to me as well. Imagine if you could swap out psychic for iron defence and heavily gimp Steven’s Metagross for later fights.

[@garchompelago]

Imagine shiny hunting for hours possibily days just to test if an NPC gets to keep it. The dedication and patience of this man is insane.

[@MoonMegs]

I screamed "NOOOOO!" when it came to that part.

[@lexruptor]

Tbf rhough, in Legends Arceus you can give the townsfolk shinies, and they stay. A shiny Geodude, a shiny Wurmple, and any shiny ground type. They're all missions though, and you don't have to give em shinies, you just can, if you want shinies in the village permanently.

[@yasonjw4920]

​@@lexruptor We've known that trainer battles are hard coded for years and I'm pretty sure that's still true to this day (give or take a few things like Arven's pokemon in SV Titan battles being able to be shiny). That was one that just hurt my soul to watch knowing the whole thing was extremely in vain

[@garchompelago]

@@lexruptor I like that little detail.

[@javierespinozan]

I don't want to be THAT guy, but an old shiny hunter (who is really well known in the community) called Abenzio499 tested this back in 2010. So yeah, Phin could have avoided doing all of this, but content is content I guess

[@Nouvsuarez]

I will never forget the moment I heard suicunes roar in the overworld for the first time as a child. I was wondering what pokemon it was cause I had played FireRed so much that I knew every roar. Then went into the grass and met suicune. I didnt even know it could appear in FireRed back then. What a crazy moment

[@HeadCasey]

I came here to say exactly this XD

[@alexanderrobertson9297]

So you're saying that it definitely happens and maybe is like really rare?

[@jonathanc8008]

I remember this same kind of scenario happening too. Hmm...

[@Nouvsuarez]

@@alexanderrobertson9297 it happened 100%

[@zds1396]

I also had this happen to me with FireRed! I came down here just to say this.

[@russianbear3344]

Never forget that the Fusion Bolt Myth is likewise the only instance where you could see the Special Animation of Fusion Flare or vise versa if you counter it with the opposing Fusion attack.

[@Rupcoris]

Came here to say exactly this. You can also see this special animation if you use any of the two fusion moves in the same turn in a double battle.

[@brago95]

The reason the AI is scripting to use fusion bolt/flare is really interesting. When Reshiram or Zekrom are hit by a fusion move, their fusion move is powered up significantly and has a special animation. I believe the game makes N's legendary always move before yours so you have the chance to see the special animation.

[@Venemofthe888]

I don't think it's hardcoded cause with a ground type it changes what move it uses

[@bsg-jay7093]

They don't even have to be hit by it. If you have them both in a double battle, that works too

[@giftheck]

@@Venemofthe888 That doesn't mean anything TBH. A simple 'if' statement to detect whether Zekrom's opponent is ground-type would easily get around that.

[@Jared-cm2wv]

​@@Venemofthe888Like giftheck said, it's hard-coded with a check for ground types. They wanted that cinematic opening for any Pokemon not immune to that attack, which is why the test involved pokemon that resist it rather than ground types.

[@west3Dgaming]

was curious about a ground type as well@@Venemofthe888

[@zacuax7272]

For rumor 1, did you check your pokedex to see if it counts as you catching a Metagross when it evolves?

[@sooni-exe]

that would be so interesting!!!

[@lechonk1122]

This!

[@Thug_Nose]

Damn!! This is a great one

[@ArichDKC]

You know what, I can check that for you perhaps.

[@ArichDKC]

Hey i forgot to get back to you. Metagross does indeed register

[@clownfishbox]

For rumour 3, you're not meant to catch the legendary, then check for the cry, you're meant to do it the other way around.

[@JDB363]

He ran into the legendary to see if it was on the route than ran away he never caught it

[@TheOpticTomahawk]

@@JDB363 Yeah but anytime you encounter the roaming legendaries and run away/get knocked out the legendary will just move to a different route... It never stays on the same route you found it on for more than one encounter so the method he was using to test the cry was completely useless.

[@JubioHDX]

exactly, dude didnt even acknowledge the fact that he left in the video footage literally proving the legendary was on a new route after the battle ended, itd make no sense to hear the cry after rather than before

[@metleon]

Something I've always wondered is if the constant rain on certain routes makes it so you never need to water berries that grow there.

[@migo1559]

I knew exactly what was going to happen with the shiny starter, it was painful to see

[@CyberDagger003]

Yeah. The trainer encounter tables are hardcoded into the game. Phin saw the same Cyndaquil every other Heart Gold player who chose Chikorita saw.

[@tabbender1232]

@@CyberDagger003 I think it would have lost its shininess anyway due to matching your own TID, not Silver's

[@cdutko]

Anyone who has used a cheat to make every wild Pokémon shiny in this game (or any game) saw this coming. He didn't need to do the resets. Also, like you said, just understanding how the game works.

[@ncisfan1002]

​@@JMHVHighly doubt that Elm would keep it shiny if Silver doesn't...

[@christophera4527]

​@@cdutko So there isn't any cheat to make NPC's pokemon shiny? not at all?

[@mettatonex7221]

I would have honestly been shocked if Silver's Pokemon retained its shininess. If I'm not mistaken, the Pokemon that the rival selects in not the same Pokemon the professor offers and is generated separately, most likely in a static way.

[@CyberDagger003]

Yes. Your starter choice influences which set of tables Silver's encolunters read, but the contents of those tables are static.

[@perfecthair7527]

In the back of my mind was speedrunner Werster encountering a shiny Raltz during the Wally catch tutorial. Once he fought Wally later, the Raltz was no longer shiny. Not suggesting Heart Gold/Silver couldn't be different, but it makes sense it would be the same.

[@foggernaut8876]

Trainers have set PNIDs. Makes it so if a trainer doesn’t have a shiny, it could never be shiny.

[@mettatonex7221]

@@foggernaut8876 So it has to be predeterimined, like that one trainer in one of the Pokemon Centers in Sun and Moon that has a shiny Exeggcute.

[@CrazyCyranYT]

Is there any way to make a fan game where the rival’s starter is randomly generated instead of it having set values and allowing it to have a chance to be shiny, have varying IVs, natures, have an accurate gender chance instead of always being male, etc?

[@shakierarox]

I'm certain I remember hearing the Entei cry when I was playing on Fire Red as a kid with my brother's game, because of how distinct it was compared to everything else on the route. It's unfortunate you couldn't replicate it in your attempts. 😞

[@cloud1488]

I also remember the cry from latias in my saphire version and from the raiku in leaf green

[@Nouvsuarez]

same with me and suicune!

[@coley1555]

@@cloud1488 heard latias in sapphire too!

[@user-ek3xz8je2y]

Yeah same here! I was playing FireRed for the first time and I distinctly remember hearing an unusual cry when I was exploring a route. When I ran around in the grass, I had found Entei! I didn't catch him though...

[@datpoint]

Nah I've definitely heard one the legendary dogs cry before too. It was when I didn't even know about them and I somehow released Raikou and was so shocked that it popped up. I didn't have my masterball because Mewtwo was that much of a bitch :/ lmao

[@yanmeggo]

The scream of agony when the starter isn’t shiny has me ROLLING

[@theta9273]

I feel like using a ground type against Zekrom would've been the best way to test the Fusion Bolt thing.

[@starspectrum7302]

Can confirm! When i played Black for the first time, i sent Reshiram to the PC and had my Excadrill first in my party, N’s Zekrom used Light Screen instead!

[@yeon_ster]

@@WarriorX16bruh what. Read up teravolt my guy

[@nikolaklobucar7981]

@@WarriorX16 It hits through abilities that could potentially negatively affect the success, damage, or effects of a move. For example, Tevavolt gives you ability to land a critical hit even if the opponent has the battle armor ability. This doesn't work for type immunities tho.

[@starspectrum7302]

@@WarriorX16 Teravolt lets a move hit ignoring the opponent’s ability (for example, Zekrom can use Fusion Bolt on a Pokemon with Lightning Rod), it doesn’t ignore type immunities

[@tabbender1232]

@@starspectrum7302 That's impossible, the game forces Reshiram as first in your party for this battle, changing it requires cheating I'm surprised too that he didn't test with a ground type. Literally the first thing i thought about

[@ZkiART]

About the Metagross evolution, you could have checked if it got registered in the pokedex, like it would do with a pokemon of yours!

[@7eevee572]

This video actually got me curious about a few different things, and made me want to do some tests of my own, specifically for some things regarding Black and White and most prominently the Zekrom rumor. My own tests show different results than what you got. My initial test was looking at something you seemed to overlook, that being what happened when you had a ground type lead. Zekrom never tried to Fusion Bolt my Krookodile, it instead went for Light Screen every time. I was also just talking about this with some friends and realized I didn't check about the rest of it, and having grabbed a Zebstrika to fill the 6 mon requirement to keep Reshiram outside of my party, I figured I could easily try. I also found different results than you here. In my initial test using a level 29 Zebstrika (if this matters at all, it did in fact have Lightningrod for an ability), Zekrom only used Fusion Bolt 1 of the 6+ times I tested it, using Zen Headbutt every other time. When I tried leveling it up to 100 using rare candy cheats, the number ended up being closer to 50/50 on if Zekrom used Fusion Bolt or a different move, usually Light Screen. I didn't keep an actual number tally, so I can't say if the numbers were actually 50/50 on Fusion Bolt or another move, but if they weren't roughly an even split I think it had more to do with what move I used, as I noticed Fusion Bolt was more often used when I lead with Flame Charge where as Light Screen was more common when I initially attacked with Shock Wave (this is likely a coincidence though). I'm curious as to when your save point was for these tests. I've heard on some streamers' warp point races that making a save state in a battle and reloading it will lead to the same results every time, so it is possible that could have been what was happening to you (I made my save state through all of this right before initiating the Reshiram fight so I could try and have as clean of a test on Zekrom as possible).

[@adamspeiser6449]

Most people are saying because it checks for if the Pokemon you use is immune to the move or not. If so, it is not likely to use it. If so, then it will try and use the move. So it is hardcoded to an extent most likely

[@7eevee572]

@@adamspeiser6449 While that could explain the tests with Krookodile, it doesn't explain the ones with Zebstrika. Teravolt would make it so that Lightningrod didn't matter so if it was hard coded to use Fusion Bolt it would still be using it against Zebstrika, especially if it was a guaranteed kill on the lower leveled one. If the AI is smart enough to check for immunities, I would expect more consistency on using it there. Still, you make me realize that I never did test this with a mon that resists without Lightningrod, so there is the possibility that the AI could be getting tripped up because of it. That feels worth looking into

[@adamspeiser6449]

Well that is very interesting then. I have no clue either and do not have ready means to test it, but I wish you the best of luck if you decide to do so

[@7eevee572]

I finished doing my second set of tests and found some surprising results. I wanted to try different resistance levels to see if that mattered, so my team ended up being the Sandile (immune), Klink (neutral), Ferroseed (resisted) [and all three's final evolved forms], Zebstrika (for abilities), and Rotom (quad resistant when in mow form). I wanted to use the universal randomizer to give myself a Rotom as a starter as it is the only pokemon accessible at this point in the series that is quad resistant that wouldn't potentially tick the same flag that using Reshiram might in this battle (aka Zekrom). I also kept track of how many times I tried each test, doing 6 for each pokemon this time (maybe a few more if I lost track, but I know I did at least 6 for each and it shouldn't skew the results much either way considering what I got). Once again, I made sure my save point was before the Reshiram fight to make sure I got as pure of battles as I could and went into testing. My results surprised me (the number before the name is the mon's level): 100 Rotom - 6/6 Fusion Bolts 27 Lightningrod Zebstrika - 4/6 Zen Headbutts, 2/6 Fusion Bolts 100 Lightningrod Zebstrika - 3/6 Light Screens, 3/6 Fusion Bolts 25 Klink - 6/6 Fusion Bolts 100 Klingklang - 6/6 Fusion Bolts 25 Feroseed - 6/6 Fusion Bolts 100 Ferothorn - 6/6 Fusion Bolts 22 Sandile - 6/6 Giga Impacts 100 Krookodile - 6/6 Light Screen So I does in fact seem like the use of Fusion Bolt is scripted when not faced with a pokemon that should be immune. Interestingly, the AI does seem to be tripped up by Lightningrod to an extent, as Zebstrika once again didn't get hit with Fusion Bolt every time. Curious to know if it was just Lightningrod, I went and grabbed a Motor Drive Zebstrika and tested that one too. Sure enough, it also wasn't always hit with Fusion Bolt every time either (29 Motor Drive Zebstrika - 5 Zen Headbutts, 1 Fusion Bolts; 100 Motor Drive Zebstrika - 4 Fusion Bolts, 2 Light Screens) so it seems that the AI is somewhat tripped up by abilities that would normally make an opponent immune to the attack.

[@colinmarch30]

Its 50/50 cuz it either happens or it doesn't

[@Mikaro527]

Being a casual pokemon fan for more than 15 years, your videos means a lot to me! that's I always get goosebumps discovering something new about old games.

[@MythosTheSophist]

Cyndaquil was not shiny because it matched your Trainer ID, not the rival's (who ended up being the owner). If you want to really prove it, you must either repeat this experiment after hacking your ID to match the rival's, or repeat the trip from resetting for the starters to fighting the rival ~8192 times.

[@crowhaveninc.2103]

Does the rival actually have a Trainer ID?

[@ottersintuxedos4981]

@@crowhaveninc.2103of course not lol

[@marjoriejohnston4905]

@@crowhaveninc.2103 Kind of. If you're familiar with Colosseum, the Shadow Pokemon can be shiny when you face them, but might not be when caught and vice versa. Traded Pokemon from NPCs have ID numbers, as do N's from B2/W2's Memory Link

[@crowhaveninc.2103]

@@marjoriejohnston4905 ah, I see. Thanks for elaborating:)

[@armorelarmadura7807]

To begin with, (based on what I know from gen 3 romhacking, 4 might be different in this respect but I doubt it) your rival isn't literally given the other pokemon that you didn't choose, they just have a randomly generated pokemon of that species at whatever level (in this case cyndaquil)

[@ineedazerosuit6128]

For the Zekrom myth, you should have tested it with a ground type. That would have been more convincing than a resist.

[@DeadAlready_1248]

I mean, I can try it. I'll have to buy Black version, and use a Stunfisk to try it

[@BetaNights]

The perfectly cut scream right at the end XD Honestly, dude, this is one thing I loved about Pokemon Legends Arceus, how the townsfolk will actively use the exact Pokemon you give them, including tiny ones, Alphas, and even Shiny Pokemon. The instant I got the Wurmple quest from Beauregard, I knew what I had to do... And I'm so glad I did it lmao I do wish they let your rivals have Shiny Pokemon, though. Same thing happened in RSE with Wally. If he caught a Shiny Ralts, WHICH COULD HAPPEN... he wouldn't have one later on in the game. Sad times... :(

[@kaloyanivanov9938]

Steven was so happy that you helped him with metang that he wanted to use the move you just helped him learn

[@TheDanishGuyReviews]

The worst part of the final myth is that I was sure it wouldn't work. I am sure I've read somewhere that it won't work, and now it's confirmed.

[@Levi-xl8vw]

Could’ve also tested with gender it would save a lot of time; wouldn’t be as exciting though.

[@Unyubaby]

Yeah, the game has a set roster for every battle so just because you gave your rival something doesn't mean they'll keep it as is. This is most notably seen in some randomizer roms where the Rival can inexplicitely change their team despite picking up a certain Pokemon.

[@BloodThirstyAvengers]

I had a feeling it may have worked, based solely on Alpharad's video where he played HeartGold with only shinies and, somehow, Silver's Golbat in the Victory Road fight was shiny.

[@Unyubaby]

@@BloodThirstyAvengers From what I remember, some NPCs do have randomized values in their roster so sometimes you can encounter shiny Pokemon during a trainer battle. It's just not guaranteed and in the case of a Rival fight, won't stick to future battles with them. Like for example Silver's Shiny Golbat would become a normal one or a normal Crobat the next time you fight them. I believe this quirk was only up to Gen 4 as well.

[@FrenkTheJoy]

I'd never heard of that myth before, but knowing what I know about the games I figured it wouldn't work. I was figuring that the rival's starter is always randomly generated other than always being the stronger type, so it wouldn't matter if the other Pokemon were shiny or had whichever nature. But now for no reason I'm wondering how long it would theoretically take to soft reset the game so that all 3 starters were shiny. And what the odds are that all 3 of them are shiny AND female.

[@TheDeathlyG]

That last one reminded me of an instance in Emerald I had. During the Wally intro sequence, where you help him catch a Ralts, it generated a Shiny Ralts for him to catch. I was freaking out, showing my friend nearby. Unfortunately, when I got to the first battle with him, it had reverted to a "regular" Ralts, and no one believed us. I'll always remember that my first (non-Gyrados) Shiny was given to an NPC Q_Q

[@justaperson4656]

Oh my god I am so sorry 😭😭 Since fire red leaf green, I've only encountered one natural/non hunt shiny, a cubone in alola. My 3ds subsequently died and I decided to actually hunt for him, got it in about 6 hours. Was VERY disappointed when I evolved him

[@adamspeiser6449]

My first shiny was the golden pidgy. I am sorry to hear your tale considering how rare it was and basically impossible to prove if you or the person you were talking to did not know much about shiny pokemon

[@QuickSilverKitsune]

My first shiny was Chargabug in Ultra Moon...and I've played literally every American installation of the series since red/blue/yellow, and even received an early edition of Leaf Green. Only other shiny 'I' got was when someone wonder traded a Shiny Sawk to me

[@CanisMythson]

At least your first full-odds shiny wasn't an Espeon belonging to a random trainer in the Battle Tower.

[@blackrigga7401]

​@@CanisMythsonthat's a set encounter. That espeon will always be shiny

[@Lyccount]

Oh man, that pokemon cry one takes me back. My first shiny in Emerald was a Zubat down in the ice (? I think a regi's house) cave, but directly before I ran into it, I heard the overworld cry for her loud and clear. I hadn't ever noticed one that loud for some reason, and in my young mind it made me think they were correlated. For years after I thought hearing a loud pokemon cry meant there was a heightened shiny chance. XD; Out of reflex, I still look around in curiosity when I hear a cry even now.

[@Bronymonster44]

I have an interesting question. Regarding that test with Stephen's Metang. What happens if you joined the battle with an empty slot on your team, then had the Metang evolve after the battle. Would it enter your party since the game still thinks it's "yours" when it says "Your Metang has evolved"? Also, does the evolution trigger the Pokedex into labeling them as "Owned", if you never had one before this happened?

[@ArichDKC]

Hey, I just tried this scenario out and the Metagross does indeed register in your Dex. If you'd like I could record a video, but hopefully my word is alright verification

[@ohhellwhereami2574]

​@@ArichDKCdoes it enter party?

[@enzolos.]

i saw the shiny thing coming. it's the same story with wally in gen 3, if he gets a shiny ralts it will be normal

[@Exlayer-pk8hy]

Its so stupid that they programmed it like that, i know almost nobody would see it but it would just make the rare runs where it would happen to be more special.

[@mooreanonumbers]

Happened to werster once and it's his most viewed vid ever on KZbin lol

[@derachpitchal9000]

I think the reason N probably selects Fusion Bolt is because (even though you would never use it against Zekrom), Fusion Flare gets boosted power and a unique animation after another Pokemon uses Fusion Bolt. They were just adding more to the cinematics.

[@PelemusMcSoy]

A pity that both dragons resist these moves, otherwise it would be a heck of a way to start a battle.

[@CjChaosMansion]

Finding something that interesting in such an old Pokemon game is amazing, I was like "yooooo" the whole time, the fact you can even level up Stephen's Metang without cheats was cool, but the fact that with exp cheats you can even teach it moves and he will USE those moves, and you can even evolve it after the battle is over is so damn cool. Good shit man.

[@Yosheezy]

I genuinely appreciate you giving up a shiny to see if Silver keeps it, 'cause I was curious about that myself. RIP Shiny Cyndaquil though. 😭

[@grunkleg.3110]

I mean when you think about, enemy trainer Pokemon are near universally predetermined to have the same EVs, IVs, PIDs, etc. regardless of save file, so your rival keeping the shiny starter would've been a giant exception to this rule. Also surely someone speedrunning HGSS would've stumbled upon this years ago

[@KaguyaEne]

The speedrunners would've first noted how their runnable pokemon was now missing ranges it never should've, Werster would flip his shit for a few months, then another nerd would start digging in any pokemon game for how the rival's pokemon are generated if they were not set to begin with, then someone RNG manips the rival's starter to be shiny and posts screenshots for clout.

[@FernandoRafaelNogueiraReis]

​@@KaguyaEneYou understand the community very well, kudos.

[@MyBallsStankJit]

​@@KaguyaEneI have no idea what any of this means

[@enoyna1001]

Would be interesting to test if the cries on the overworld are set route by route or actually referenced by the encounter table.

[@matchumadori5291]

See, I believe that it would be possible for the Raikou to show up in the cries, because when I played randomizers, the cries of the overworld Pokemon changed to match those that were in the area. However, I also know that roaming Pokemon are a little unique in that instead of adding them into the encounter table, I THINK whenever they are on a specific route, they are assigned a specific grass patch to spawn on, so it could be either way.

[@mertensiam3384]

@@matchumadori5291 no, I'm pretty sure the roaming pokemon just randomly replace the Pokemon that was meant to appear in that roll, cause I've seen the code for it in gen 3 at least, and it doesn't set the roamer to a specific patch of grass. And since the Pokemon isn't in the normal encounters table, you can't hear it's cry in the overworld

[@ApatheticallyClowning]

Well the code has all be reveng'd so it could be checked.

[@zatsufakuzatsu5045]

Can confirm from the pokeemerald decomp. The cries reference the encounter table. The roamers don't however get added to the encounter table. They are called in by a special script upon generating the random encounter.

[@chiefster]

I distinctively remember hearing a cry of one of the three dogs BEFORE encountering them. This happened to me multiple times, to the point, when tracking them, I could tell when I was about to encounter them.

[@BroskiGrifnage]

he knew what he had to do and he had the strength to do it RIP shiny cyndaquil

[@dfloriza]

That Steven fight was truly one of the few things I've never seen in Pokemon, but now it begs the question: If you level up Steven's Metang/Metagross to max level using cheats, and only teach it non-damaging status moves from leveling up (Iron Defense over Psychic, Agility over Metal Claw, and skipping Hyper Beam at Level 77), will his Metagross not be able to attack you when you face him in Meteor Falls?

[@caspervestergaard2430]

Its 100% the same instance as with the ralts. Its a different pokemon, scripted

[@OsirusIrdia]

even if this concept were true, Steven could use TMs/HMs or heartscales to get the original moveset again.

[@Soafia]

This brings up the question of if you have a free slot in your party does that glitch the game into thinking the Metagross is yours if you get Metang to evolve? That would’ve been a really cool thing to test too.

[@lechonk1122]

Thats what I'm saying! I sent him and email about it, hopefully he lets us know!

[@doubl2480]

My question would be to know if Metagross was registered in the Pokedex following the evolution. I somehow doubt you will get a free Metagross, but having it registered, maybe? I don't know how it works and from which point you get the data of a Pokemon you evolved.

[@Pighway]

We're eating good today Gents!

[@wesleyflocka]

Indeed

[@NamaeAidiaNai]

meh

[@whitefox411-gamer7]

What if you lead with a Ground type? Also, in Legends Arceus, several side quests require you to give Pokemon to trainers. You can respond by giving each of them Alpha Pokemon and Shiny Pokemon. Or if you are extra insane, Shiny Alpha Pokemon. Which would result in the hub town filled with giant shiny Pokemon everywhere.

[@zoofan55]

That first rumor was crazy. I wonder if you are able to level it enough that it would change the level of Metagross when you fight Steven, or if giving it the different moves such as Iron Defense instead of Psychic and Meteor Mash instead of Reflect/Metal Claw would change Metagross' moveset when you fight it.

[@toxicpurpleflame]

It most likely would not, as npc's pokemon are for the most part are already set to specific levels and moves for fights so even Leveling the metatang through this and changing the moves it will not effect the metagross in the future (basically every time you fight certain npcs, even if its multiple times, the data of their pokemon is locked for each instance of a battle. The only way to change that would be to mess with the game's code)

[@TheFatestPat]

I knew that Silver wouldn't have the shiny starter. The game produces a new Mon most of the time whenever you encounter them. We actually saw this in some of the older games. Someone found a shiny Electrode in Gen 2 when you have to knock out 3 of them in the Team Rocket base. He ran from it, and it was no longer shiny when he fought it again. It's also possible for Wally to find a shiny Raltz in Gen 3, but it won't be shiny when you fight him later.

[@Ardiebearable]

To add to the first confirmed rumour with the Metang/Metagross, they will be registered in your Pokedex after the evolution has happened. It least this was the case when I stumbled upon the same scenario.

[@kidneyinfector]

like registered as if you caught them ?

[@ArichDKC]

@@kidneyinfector I can verify he's correct. I just tried the scenario out and the game thinks I own Metagross now

[@yoshiwoollyworld]

@@ArichDKC if you had five or less pokemon in your party when battling with steven, would the game add metagross to your party thinking it’s your pokemon?

[@3DTyrant]

Fun little fact about the Steven double battle, if Metang evolves during this battle (something that's only possible via cheating), Metagross' info gets added to *YOUR* dex as if you owned it despite the Metang/Metagross not being your pokemon.

[@manuelperez3722]

In an old video, you showed up how Seaking and Goldeen can learn the move Waterfall in the Gen 1, so what happen if we trade one of them to Gen 2 with the move already learned? They can use it as a HM as well?

[@teamawesomeness7137]

you can't use waterfall out of battle until you have the rising badge, at which point you'll probably already have the hm07 in your bag

[@koolkid4657]

Fun fact, my first pokemon game was soulsilver and I picked cyndaquil but didn't realize it was shiny until many years later, guess I'm lucky😅

[@Protofall]

That is an amazing surprise

[@Nick-666]

how do you not realize, it has a special animation every time you use it

[@koolkid4657]

@@Nick-666 I was only like 9 or something, plus I thought it was pink because it was female lol

[@lsartist1899]

@@koolkid4657I t ‘ s f e m a l e t o o ?

[@koolkid4657]

Plus I didn't know what a shiny was, I literally thought the gyarados at the lake was red just because it was Lance's 🤦‍♂️

[@Velourdonut]

Legend has it that to this day, if you stand in Route 29 long enough...you can hear the cry of BlueBoyPhin lamenting his lost time and sacrificed full-odds shiny

[@dgouin99]

I remember messing around with cheats when I was a kid and used that exp glitch, and got curious and tried it out during the catching tutorial in dpp, leveled up Dawn's Chimchar, and when it learned a new move the hand that usually autoselects the menu options started picking the "No" option in an infinite loop, since it asks "Would you like to forget a move to learn this new one?" followed by "Are you sure you want to give up on learning this new move?", so yeah that was pretty much the first time I softlocked myself in a game and learned the true power of cheat codes

[@andreainghilterra]

All the people's been asking is whether Metagross gets to update your pokedex by evolving. What I' curious about is whether, if you had an open slot you'd be able to keep that metagross since it's registered as your pokemon

[@GilbertGarfield911]

Bro's asking the important question, how else can we use Metagross in a nuzlocke?

[@andreainghilterra]

@GilbertGarfield911 you can take one just after beating the league, otherwise there's no Beldum in the entire region. Kind of sucks since once you're done with the league your nuzlocke is over. Since I'm the type of nuzlocker who encourages fun, you could just add one and use it in your playtrough

[@GilbertGarfield911]

@@andreainghilterra yeah it's a shame there's no wild beldum or earlier beldum.

[@katenivens1571]

Fun fact: Try this! After you pick your starter in ultra sun and moon, if you level it up to its final evolution before you meet Hau, it will show a final form starter in the cutscene rather than your first stage Pokemon. It’s really funny, I hope you consider it. :) Also, when you take it home to show your mom, it’ll be a base form again, but it’ll have a different cry then normal. Ex: Poplio. Normally, it says Bwark when you take it home, but when you evolve it, it says Kooo instead! :0

[@MotherOfSorrows]

you really wanna kill this man, don't you 🤣

[@christophera4527]

I dont have the Ultra games. I hope he tries this!

[@AlternateMew]

You absolute maniac. You deserve a medal for your dedication to that shiny hunt.

[@DragonRifle555]

That last one is such a bummer haha. Your rival having a shiny Pokemon would be so cool

[@ItsFireTiger]

It's possible but apparently not in the way he went about it. So you'd have to grind till you fight Silver on the way back to the Lab to see if his Pokemon is shiny, then fight him again in Azalea to see if it's still shiny

[@fauxclaws]

no he will never have a shiny starter their shiny locked. it's not possible for your rival in any game to actually keep a shiny. Like wally "catching" shiny ralts is over written@@ItsFireTiger

[@ItsFireTiger]

@@fauxclaws That's odd, I thought shiny lock was only a thing that started in Gen 5 with their Legendaries.

[@ItsFireTiger]

@@fauxclaws Do you know if Lyra's Marill can be shiny or is it also locked for her too?

[@fauxclaws]

all enemy trainer pokemon including rivals and lyra are prescripted, they aren't randomly generated the same way a wild mon is. So maybe "shiny locked" isn't technically the right term. It's more "the pokemon that are prechosen are not shiny, and that won't ever change"@@ItsFireTiger

[@Linkaara]

Steve watching his Metang leveling up like crazy, learning moves and ultimately evolving at the very presence of the May 👁👄👁

[@PoutyBats]

For the third one I believe I also remember hearing a legendary in my 3rd gem games. It was also a legendary dog, so I don't know if the chances of hearing it are just very low, or if a memory was planted into a few of our heads ha ha!

[@thepokemonqueen]

idk if it was just me but it looked like he encountered the legendary and then after it ran he tried to hear it? which wouldn't work, so it might've been just the way the video was edited

[@ballersofbotlane4592]

@@thepokemonqueen I understood it the same way too he should stay in the route the roamer is in and then listen for cries before the encounter

[@kristapskeiss3029]

for rumour 2, you could also try using a ground type to see what happens, because if there is in fact some AI in there, N would know that fusion bolt would do nothing against a ground type

[@TheMagic1412]

can confirm it will use a different move for ground types, i had an excadrill out on him during my first playthrough back in the day.

[@glitchystaticz]

@@TheMagic1412doesnt it force you to use reshiram as the 1st in ur party in white?

[@tinyetoile5503]

​@@glitchystaticz I assume you could avoid this by sending the legendary to a box when you first catch it, rather than adding it to your party, where it would've been sent out first regardless of party order.

[@glitchystaticz]

@@tinyetoile5503 Never thought of that lol

[@samnrx93]

The last one was always going to be that way - it isn't 1 scripted NPC that you fight the entire way through, all of the sprites for your rival battles are pre-programmed and positioned at the point that you take your starter. If you use scripts / hacks to walk through walls you can walk north and find where Gamefreak positioned the sprite to trigger as you try to walk through

[@12fishcake]

Steven's metang evolving as a result of the battle would've actually been a cool story bit if they were able to code it somehow since that's his flagship in the final battle

[@DylanSwag42]

Hearing him instantly shatter upon seeing the rival didn't pick the shiny starter he spent hours getting was so funny 💀

[@sarojandongol1482]

When he leveled the Metang up, I was like "now somebody should use cheats with boosted exp and make it evolve" Phin here reading minds.

[@thestr8cougar]

The pokemon cry in the overworld one actually worked for me because i was running in pokemon Sapphire and heard a Latias cry, and I saved and checked the grass and it was actually there, weird you didnt hear it.

[@ShinobiVIPER]

Gotta admire the commitment for that last one 🤣

[@phimandcharman7245]

Did the metagross show up in the pokedex??

[@WarriorX16]

I’m confused on how you tested the Raikou overworld cry. Your video shows you encountering it and then seeing if it’s cry occurs, but after encountering Raikou, it will spawn on a different route.

[@RevzSM]

Yea he even showed it on the other route after. Not sure why he tested it like that

[@seki108]

Exactly!

[@garg4531]

Imagine if the game actually called you out for choosing the non-shiny starter “Really? That’s the one you want? Are you really sure about that?”

[@DanHowsen]

Your commitment to your work, and the excitement with which you approach it ("I got Steven's Metang to evolve, oh my gosh!"), is truly heartwarmin, Phin. Great stuff! Also, the multiplying Johto shiny hunt sequence starting at 11:42 gave me a great laugh! 😂

[@jorgefonseca2669]

for the rumour 2 you should have tried it with a ground type to show if it is truly scripted even if it doesn't do damage

[@maximumbeans9310]

Love your videos and I love the wide range of music you’re using in them. Didn’t expect System Shock 2 to make an appearance! Keep it up man you’re one of the most intriguing poke channels out there.

[@mikec4390]

For the leveling up Metang one, you also could have used a lvl 100 Pokemon so there wasn't any exp left for you to gain

[@MothEmulator]

14:00 OH THE AGONY

[@kingklub5707]

What's fun is that Silver actually can have a shiny pokemon, it's just that it's decided with the shiny odds

[@funkymachine]

Gen 4 only: That's not true. Every single save file all trainer pokemon have hard coded values and so unfortunately all Pokémon are either 100% shiny or 0%. This is why for example in drayano's storm silver a sableye in morty's gym just randomly happens to be shiny. It's ids match up with the Id the trainer class has. This is because while there is randomization all trainer pokemon get their own seed of 1-256 the developers set. This seed also determines nature, ivs, and gender. It is reactionary to the level and species of the Pokémon too. While they could have made it random, if they did shiny odds would be either 0/256 or 1/256. Generally, the higher the number the higher the ivs, but a level 49 chomp with 256 id might be adamant while a level 50 might be jolly and have 30 speed ivs instead of perfect 31s

[@anonanonymous9670]

@@funkymachine Gen 4 only? Ohhh so that's why there was a random Shiny Golbat/Crobat in a Silver fight during one of Alpharad's shiny videos for HGSS I 100% remember that being the case and even Alpharad just being surprised that Silver used a shiny out of nowhere (although I think he was using increased shiny chance cheats but still) Maybe I'm just misremembering a lot I don't know

[@funkymachine]

@@anonanonymous9670 it could be true in other gens, but I just know how the gen 4 engine works. A few rom hacks have this, and when creating a Pokémon for one there is a 1/8192 chance it will be shiny Increase shiny chance cheats/rom edits also increase odds

[@esegggs]

Really cool to see your channel grow into its own over the years taking the same channel idea many others had, taking it a step further rather than doing what most did, and now going to new heights. Good job man.

[@masonhales]

I have a feeling rumor 3 is true, but only under the condition that raikou has to enter your map the moment you also enter the map, the same time the game generates the list of which cries to be played in the background. It's highly unlikely but possible.

[@djhollis8841]

The lengths you go to produce these videos is insane. I have genuinely never thought/heard about any of these until you started posting. Please keep it up!

[@t_bone181]

It´s crazy how much time you spend to give us great content. Really appreceated, thank you very much ❤

[@ndJssFlurt]

7:38 Have you tried leading with a Ground type?

[@beasleydad]

Thank you so much for this video, the last one was worth a subscribe for sure, anyone not subscribed doesn't realize you make these videos with love for us, I'm in tears lol

[@Arcryoshi]

The HGSS starter thing happened. There are(/were) at least two videos where people got two Shinys at once which is so insane. Even though I don’t remember if they picked the inferior one. And it was so clear that Silver won’t keep this Shiny lol

[@knownas2017]

"Now let's see if we can get Metang as high as possible" - 5:25 lol.

[@katalystarts]

I just wanted to say I get so excited when you post new Pokémon info. As a lifelong fan, I love learning more about the series. Keep up the great work Phin!

[@weenkerz]

I love the idea of Steven, the champion of the hoenn region, turning to you and going, "hey uhhh... which move should I get rid of??"

[@MyNextTrickLoL]

This is the freshest Pokemon Facts-type content on the internet. Keep it up.

[@DraconoBlade]

that HGSS starter hunt is so fun, I've done it four times by now (and gotten one Cyndaquil and three Totos), I recall seeing this rumor disproved before but can't remember the source. All in all, three days for a full odds old-gen shiny is great, and I think this hunt is so fun and goes so fast that you could easily grab yourself another one

[@jesselindsey9760]

Keep up the good work! I don't know how you keep finding such obscure pokemon facts after all this time, but each video is unique and informative.

[@SuicideMisfit]

The video editing of the shiny starter hunt was S tier

[@ellioteel]

Thank you for testing the Steven fight so thoroughly! Way more interesting than expected

[@WatchVidsMakeLists]

For the Zekrom battle, did you considering leading with a Ground-type?

[@animevivaciousstudios3015]

NGL this series is really a lot of fun

[@samhayes-astrion]

Man. Think of how many shiny HGSS starters people missed because they didn't check all three before picking.

[@musicsheep9816]

The Pokémon Black and White games actually also generate the Pokémon when you're currently choosing instead of when you choose. The interesting part is that all 3 Pokémon will all have the same nature. Possibly even the same EVs and IVs (I don't know enough about those to determine)

[@perkocetts]

I'd love to see even more with the scripted Fusion Bolt. Like for instance what would happen if you brought a Mew with Imprison and Fusion Bolt? I'm actually not sure in B/W if the move would fail or actually not let them select it. If the latter, I'm curious what the AI does.

[@zerada00]

Steven should thank you for helping him to evolve his metang into metagross

[@Darmani2MB]

All the trainer npcs get their Pokémon from a pre-established table that doesn't change no matter what happens or what you do. Some may have a few variations depending on your choices, but that's it. If you use a cheat code to capture trainer's pokemon and you use it on your rival's starter, you'll get to keep the starter but the next time you fight the game will load the Pokémon list for that rival battle and they'll have it again. Same goes if you use a combination of 1 hit KO and boosted experience cheats. If your rival teaches you how to capture Pokémon, they'll defeat the wild Pokémon, evolve theirs, but for the next battle they'll have the unevolved form like nothing happened

[@gaara8014]

I absolutely love thise series, it challenges me to stuff that I never knew.