I Think I've Found the PERFECT Delay Settings in Helix and HX Stomp

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I got asked by ‪@GuitarsOK‬ if I had tried stacking/combining delay types in the Helix, and so I thought I'd give it a try - although I think I am happiest with my standard settings with a stereo dual delay block!
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[@yikelu]

You know for delays like Tape and Adriatic, the stereo version has a built in ratio control (it's called Scale). 75% with a quarter sync is the classic 1/4+1/8*. You don't have the fine controls over left and right individually but you don't really need it. That's generally how I run my stereo delays.

[@mariano.gonzalez]

You can do the same thing with a CrissCross. Actually, if you set the CrissCross to 350 and 500 you get exactly the same effect as the AT Halo pedal. It even has modulation on the repeats.

[@gabyace4]

Was about to say the same thing. This sounds beautiful but it's getting awfully close to just using the crisscross

[@ekuzy]

Immediately became my favorite delay. I learn so much from the comments here. Awesome discussion! Makes me think a discord server would work pretty well!

[@jakestewartmusic]

With tasteful use of the high cut in the Crisscross, you can also get a similar warmth to the Halo - cutting some top end separates the dry guitar from the delayed signal, pushing the delayed sound further into the background so it gets that 'halo' effect behind your playing. Crisscross is easily one of the most powerful delays in the Helix ecosystem, one of my absolute favorites

[@estebanamon]

I think I got kinda close to the halo using two dual delays in series: widening the stereo field as it feels different than the crisscross: - First Delay Left Time: 360 ms Right Time: 360 ms Left Feedback: 43% Right Feedback: 43% Left Mix: 25% Right Mix: 25% Level: 0.0 dB Low Cut: 40 Hz High Cut: 4.3 kHz Modulation Mode: Chorus Speed: 2.5 Depth: 46% Spread: 10.0 - Second Delay Left Time: 480 ms Right Time: 480 ms Left Feedback: 43% Right Feedback: 43% Left Mix: 25% Right Mix: 25% Level: 0.0 dB Low Cut: 40 Hz High Cut: 4.3 kHz Modulation Mode: Chorus Speed: 2.5 Depth: 46% Spread: 10.0

[@jackprice7828]

John your clean tone thru anything HX is just outstanding. I think the hardest thing to achieve with any delay is finding a delay setting that doesn’t get in the way of your notation, but yet has a great decay with some mod component.

[@michaelwatson3127]

John, your tone and playing are incredible! Thank you for sharing!

[@ekuzy]

You can set one delay to 1/4 and the other 1/4 triplets

[@GuitarsOK]

Yessss! You did it! lol. Thanks John. Love the episode Much peace, to you and yours! Shawn.

[@Herfinnur]

I don’t understand why you always turn the headroom all the way up. The distortion of classic delay sounds is what makes the sound diffuse and be more like a reverb. That’s how the Andy Timmons Halo repeats sound progressively more like reverb. With high headroom the delay can feel like it’s much more in the way of your playing. At least according to Keeley. I certainly prefer a fairly low headroom. Anyways, I just did a quick calculation and the ratio of 375ms : 500ms is the same as 75 : 100, so if you take the stereo version of the Transistor Delay and put scale at 75%, you should get the same delay pattern. For 400ms : 500ms you put scale at 80%, and just for fun, to get a “golden ratio” delay pattern, you put scale at: [100 divided by 1.61803 = 61.8] 62% I’m on holiday and can’t test this 🤓

[@Sometimes_I_Play_GTR]

Good stuff John!

[@henrybeazely2908]

Probably not in the spirit of the delays shared here, but the delay I almost always have as part of the basic sound is a simple mono delay about 350ms, 0% feedback, mix set so it is just audible (usually 11-16%). Saw Tim Pierce talking about something like this only the other day. Just brings the sound to life a little without actually sounding like there’s an effect even there… In fact works nicely with a stereo delay just like the one you describe here, so the ‘body’ delay is right in the middle and the actual delays are left and right. Well I like it anyway 😂

[@chrispygingerpie]

Leon Todd is a cool KZbinr, a combination of the two of you would be incredible.

[@alexmbrenner]

I love the dual delay you and Andy get but in my band it doesn’t work that well. I do use it at home. Live my Helix or any analog board is an analog delay set at 390ms and everything else close to 12. Seems to always be in time for me. Very George Lynch or Warren Dimartini sounding.

[@christopherbuck7679]

I think any delay has to whole and divisible, example 375 ms is 3/4 of 500ms. So I muck about with different timing combinations 450ms and 600ms it’s still 3/4, or 300ms and 400ms still 3/4, if you get my drift. So the effect means that on every repeat the 375ms gets 125ms closer to the 500ms…..and give that fat sound. You defo have to have the feedback right to keep the clarity and get the best out of the effect.

[@peterjessop1878]

My “normal” delay on my back up HX stomp is stereo transistor tape. Set to 1/4 note and scale set to 75% to get the dotted 1/8th repeats. I do like to use the multi tap 4 to create circular delays., which works ok but not as well as an Axe Fx or my Zoia built delays. Generally I find Helix delays a little frustrating though as only a few algos have the ability to duck the repeats. I am trying to overcome this by using an inverse envelope modifier from the Zoia to reduce the level of repeats via midi, ( Zoia is in the fx loop of the HX stomp) but I haven’t got all the settings right yet.

[@noelalvaris3374]

Thankyou.

[@dreadnotpop]

What are your delay settings in a live band format using a real amp?

[@jessenicholson1777]

When you say less clear I’m fairly sure that the Dual Delay is leaving a lot more top end than the other setup. That’s what I think you’re liking more.

[@ruvchbrevth]

Any recommendations for the Heliosphere? I haven’t played with that yet due to the math… Great video!!!

[@impersonalperson6199]

I like it as an eight notes effect that pans...