I Tried DPS WEAVER in Guild Wars 2 - Thoughts

[@kureysalp]

As an ele main things you said are true. Even at top benchmarks, you have lower damage than lots of classes with four/five times the effort. Condi weaver can deal 44.3k dps at its peak but its even harder than the power weaver. The reason I'm playing the weaver is it's really fun for me and I can keep it up with other players' damage. Some tips: - To increase the damage with almost no effort use Arcane Blast only on Fire/Air. You have extra power from Fire and extra ferocity from Air. - You can actually deal good CC with sw/dg but you need to know your skills. You can swap to Air use 2 than instead of swapping to Air again, swap to Earth and now you can use 3 and 5 to deal more CC. You can do the same thing with sw/wh but use 4 instead of 5 but it has less CC damage than the dagger. - If you are not gonna use the Weave Self, don't play Weaver this is not debatable. You can reach a burst 64k DPS at the beginning of your rotation and for short phased fight this is HUGE. Even if you can't complete your Weave Self you should use the skill because you are getting lots of buffs while using the skill. Getting buffs according to your attunement and getting HUGE decrease in attunement swap time. The point of completing Weave Self is you'll get all the buffs in the Weave Self and keep them for some time. This class has really good bursts and can deal really good damage if you squeeze the class but it's not for you if you don't like doing four/five times the effort than the other players.

[@hermano-nk5rv]

These are some good tips. Thanks for sharing!

[@demenion3521]

the way muk played weaver he literally waited almost twice the cd for attunement swaps, ofc his dps would be abysmal. and the power weaver loop is such an insanely easy to play build, i just have no words. you just swap fire -> fire -> air -> air and press all buttons except air 2 and 5 while finishing your autos and you should easily do 35k+ doing just that

[@kureysalp]

@@demenion3521 For the attunement swapping wise yeah its easy in "default loop" but weaver can increase its damage by timing its auto attacks that's one of the hard parts. You should never cancel your auto attacks and you should never start an auto attack for nothing. Letting one unnecessary auto attack between your skills can lose you 1k dps that's why weaver is so hard. Another and the hardest part of the weaver is Weave Self. With so short attunement time its really easy to leak auto attacks between attunements and skills and that can lead you to loss LOTS of damage.

[@enterprise1701e]

I'm an ele main, and the basic rotation that you did is good for starting out. As you learn the other elements and weapons, suddenly the damage and the CC goes up. Like with any class, if you know your class, you can pull off a lot.

[@littlekong7685]

@@enterprise1701e The CC is still pretty anemic compared to most other classes, most can get 800-1000 off in the time it takes a weaver to cycle 3 elements to get 400 off. It would have been nice to have a trait that boosts CC for damage or something.

[@MinnIsKill]

before I even watch the video: my condolences

[@joshanonline]

The pain is not worth the content. A Dev plays Ele and makes it a pain to play. He must hate fun.

[@kunkudunk1133]

Honestly, as a weaver player, some of the weapons flow really well together for the dps weaver rotation in a sensible fashion if you were already an ele player. Now imo this isn't the case for the pistol as the bullet mechanic mixed with the dual attunement gives way more to have to think about and optimize but at least ye old power sword dagger(or warhorn i guess) weaver is honestly not too bad.

[@RbDaP]

4:12 "Easy to learn? lol" and "Intensity? YES" are the best annotations for this class ty

[@thomin]

Correction around 1:08, even if you don't get the perfect weave it's still very valuable to use Weave Self. Woven air gives you a +10% strike modifier, that's pretty good. If you don't get perfect weave that still a strike modifier active for 20 seconds, which is strong. A lot of people are going to hear you say "you get nothing" but that's incorrect. Fire elemental is fine of course, especially if you're starting out, but you don't actually have to do anything complicated to benefit from Weave self. You can just hit the button and do the non-WS rotation and still benefit greatly from the strike modifier.

[@theamazinghaole2384]

I made a Weaver Char specifically for SOTO cause a wizard using fire and lightning sounded awesome. Got great numbers on the golem and took her into Soto. She now sits at the end of a jumping puzzle cause the amount of work wasn’t worth it lol. My condolences to Ele mains.

[@SissiCat77]

Dps weaver was my first Character and still my favorite and most played. I don't know how to play it well and it doesn't do much damage but I find it fun so for me it's ok

[@startjim123456]

It can do allot of dmg you just need some to give you 25 might stack and some who can give you alc or quick..... Welcome to my suffering

[@ske00]

I feel the exact same way. The weaver class is just fun. Not really good for raids, but fun to solo and do story instances with. I love the slides... so fun. :)

[@alsymphony7868]

As a weaver this is spot on pretty much. It 's funny how it took you 2 hours? to perfectly enscapulate weaver. You are just damage, and with how chaotic a fight can + how fragile you are + how easy it is for anything to mess the rotation up(mainly talking about self weave), it's really not worth it. I've been told time and time again that it wasn't and I will agree everytime. You bring nothing to the table but your damage that can be halved with anything going wrong. If a new ele ask what specialization to take, get tempest or cata. The only reason why I play weaver is because I enjoy it, I also enjoy invoker from dota 2 for example.

[@captaincrapface7337]

So glad to know Chopin, Beethoven and Rubinstein have a class in GW2 that siuts their playstyles.

[@Notsram77]

Laughs in Bach

[@anders8461]

Beethoven is also deaf lmao

[@captaincrapface7337]

@@anders8461 considering no eli main ever reacts to audable callouts, this checks out as well.

[@luiZZvv]

I started learning weaver some days ago and it feels amazing! Having alot of fun with the rotation and to me the cc feels fine (when attuning to earth too after fire/fire)

[@samuelfischer736]

Totally agree with you on this Muk. It's something that has confounded me as an Ele main for a long time. Still we get more nerfs for some reason while other classes that can single button more DPS get new more powerful abilities. I'd switch what i main but I'm stubborn and i continue to hold out hope that videos like this will be seen by Anet and they might have mercy on us. Lol

[@littlekong7685]

I think that mostly comes from the playtest where some people were hitting something like 120k DPS on golem. I think ANET is still basing nerfs off that one test.

[@startjim123456]

​@@littlekong7685oh yes they are 1 player hits that dmg on a golem perfect timing and you dont need to worry about anything nerf weaver why why why you cant do that in a normal fight 1 player ruined weaver and its bin how long? Fun thing this is a wvw thing all class can win from a weaver like its nothing they can play for def build and still win if you play a def build on weaver you get 2 shot if you dont you get 1 shot.... Im also stubborn and refuse to switch to an other class and i hate that allmost no youtuber plays weaver so the balance team just keeps nerfing it over and over an over and over im sick of chaning gear stats over and over and over and over or just getting new gear over and over😢

[@drdc007]

​@@startjim123456 dude , just go find another game, don't waste your last 2 neurons in gw2, you need 1 neuron to eat and the last neuron to breath. You clearly have not seen what Catalyst did to PvP, you clearly have not seen what Weaver can do in WvW, zerg or Roaming, the Zerg Meteor shower Apocalypse or the almost 100% evade weaver. The staff apocalypse tempest or weaver in PVE. If you don't see videos or logs, is maybe because people don't want to yell " NERF ME PLEASE".

[@limpingllama57]

That's how I feel. I used to play condi holo and it was like 100 apm, dodges off cooldown, no utility, all for like 32k if I was really lucky. They thought that was unacceptable and gutted condi holo. Meanwhile reaper goes into shroud, presses two buttons and gets 38k. I have no clue what they think when nerfing.

[@drdc007]

@@limpingllama57 remember , just because you are bad at playing video games, doesn't mean the class is bad. It means you are not good enough or the class have something that is breaking the game. Example : " kzbin.info/www/bejne/a3-laZ2VqJueicU " .

[@chester1882]

Mukluk: *Playing the keyboard furiously* EmidotEXE: Here is a Auto attack Core guardian build that does 32k

[@aidonis98]

It's almost as if, homogenizing the classes into the same realm of dps numbers, feels bad. Who could have seen this coming? They need to stop balancing around the 5 people at the top.

[@MagiBLK]

I really love the core fantasy of Weaver. The idea of blending elements together to get combined attacks is so cool! In practice though, not being able to access your weapon skills 4 and 5 on demand is a HUGE down side, and the spec just doesn't really have any upsides to balance all the negatives. It's a shame. =(

[@Noobieswede]

I wouldn’t mind a class that does purely dmg nothing else but is ofc 10-15k higher dps then builds who bring utility. There has to be some sort of reward for all of that.

[@startjim123456]

ANET balance team say fuck you and buffs other classes that dont need it and if weaver ever comes up for buffing they buff stuff that does nothing and nerf dmg and survival even more seen it happen way to many times (weaver main there is no reward you are also not a team player...... As you 0 boons to give... And you need other players to give might and alc or quick😢)

[@veselinrankov7322]

You get 12k hp as a reward, not additional just in total

[@kumamarru5492]

THe CC problem is why I run Fresh Air over Bolt through the Heart. And I make sure I have 100% crit chance. With FA, you can attune air, press air 2 for daze, this will crit, proccing FA and resetting the CD on Air attunement. Then immediately attune air again for Air 5. For bigger break bars, you can attune to earth for Gale Strike (earth/air dual skill). After landing the attack, immediaely attune to any other other element to access Earth 4 and 5. Technically water is best because it gives you chill on the dual skill. Is that a lot of effort just to do what Rev does with a single Staff 5? Yes. Welcome to Ele :^)

[@256shadesofgrey]

This build you were playing is actually the power LI build for ele. You don't need to learn a rotation for it beyond the attunement swapping. You just do your fire-fire-air-air-repeat whenever those are off cooldown, and otherwise you mash whatever weapon skills you can and arcane blast if it's available (avoiding only those that move you away from the target, like that CC skill), and the other utility skills whenever you're in main fire. Basically attuenement rotation + whack-a-mole everywhere else. At least that's how I learned it, and I was getting 34k the last time I tried. But yeah, CC is nonexistent on this build, it's the worst kind of melee (i.e. half your weapon skills bring you close to your target if you weren't, so you can't even take advantage of max. melee range to freely move around), and it's extremely squishy. But it is the easiest power build for ele that I'm aware of, so that's what I use when I play ele and I can't do condi (tempest)...

[@dallassukerkin6878]

As a sort-of Weaver Main .. oi!!! Yes, fair points. It's an awful lot of work for very ordinary results. The best I hope for these days is to stay out of Downstate for as long as I can. As for the Weave Self Elite .. well the Elites say it's the Must Have Skill for DPS ... let's let them have that and the rest of us will use a skill that we see some benefit from. I confess I went Weaver for the RP of my Sword and Dagger wielding Half Elf Fight/M.U. and now, well, I can do that on other Ele's if I want ... but I have spent two years playing my Weaver so dropping her is just not happening :D

[@DocOverlord]

I always wonder if I ought to try out weaver, but then helpful videos like this remind me that I don't all free time I used to have to learn these overly complicated professions just for fun. (I still love my Tempest Support build though :) ) Thanks for the overview and honest opinions!

[@ReaverEternal]

Condi Weaver was the first class I broke 20K DPS on, so it'll always have a special place in my heart. I know it's not great, but I mostly play open world stuff, and my Trailblazer sword/dagger treats me well enough.

[@kureysalp]

You should try pistol condi weaver with Viper's. You can reach 40k DPS with half the effort of power weaver

[@startjim123456]

​@@kureysalponce i have gold again or feel like getting gold i wil try it you know how many times i need to keep rerolling gear thanks to ANET and there bullshit balance patch for Weaver😢

[@YouTubeChillZone]

Ele has been using two stats for a good 6 years, why change? You have all Berserk and Viper, I don't understand the problem especially since obtaining ascendant items is a matter of a few hours

[@pumpkinsspiced]

I main ele and dps ele the last 5 years or so has felt so bad. Every single time, the SC-type top players get insane damage, while the rest of us normal players do average damage. Then it gets nerfed and now we can't keep up with other (much simpler) classes. Feels bad, man. Feels bad.

[@desel8737]

everyone: anet hates the warrior ele players: ...

[@icata12345]

Tempest is poping off atm

[@lordnarok]

Anet balance philosophy is so strange, I remember something I heard when power mech was a thing and spamming 111 on it did more dmg than 90% of other speccs. I didnt see it myself but apperntly Anet will never balance DPS around diffuculity or utility. Complexity/less utility will never do more dps then other speccs.

[@roberts.2300]

This is what is astounding. HoT comes out Tempest is the go to for raw damage output. It gets nerfed. Then it rinses and repeats for the rest of the elite specs. Honestly it's fine if they need that nerf, as long as there is an eventual trade off. Either survivability or some major support mechanic with each of the attunements at a core level. They are supposed to be powerful spellcasters then they need to be treated as such.

[@R_a_s_e_]

I was ele main on core GW2 and it was fun, but since HoT release I really stopped caring and nowadays I barely use this class anymore. They should reward the hardest to play classes, not nerf them more.

[@hero-0f-war]

As someone who once mained Tempest and Weaver I can say that it is fun. Fire/Air Power Weaver is one of the easier rotations (for the Elementalist), but it is still a lot. But that's why people like playing this class. I can not stand LI auto attack builds... it's boring. So the complexity and flow of the rotations is part of the class (if you don't like that you will most likely not find an Ele build that is fun for you). So that part is fine... Where I completely agree with you is the balance. You have to play at a significantly higher skill level than any other class to match their DPS while having really shitty access to utility and boons... This has to be balanced, otherwise it's just frustrating being out dpsed by someone afk auto attacking... I don't understand ANets balancing on this class (that's why I switched to Guardian... FB is equally complex, but you provide something to your team for the amount of effort you put in).

[@cloudninepvp1080]

The multiple primary weapon abilities attracted me to the weaver in the same way I enjoy the multiple revenant utility skills. I agree it should have higher burst or sustained DPS compared to the DK since the DK provides so many beneficial party boons.

[@lyokhamishukov3513]

Minor note: You should wait to use Sword Air 3 until you're able to go back into Fire, and swap to Fire as you're using it. Swapping attunements while using a skill won't interrupt it, and the increased Power being in Fire gives you makes the skill hit harder.

[@Maitreya3001]

As an ex Ele main, everything you said was correct and why I started losing interest in Ele and on a broader scale in the game overall. I know this isn't really a healthy perception, but I can't deny that I had and still have these feelings. The biggest issue I have with Weaver is that there's no utility, 100% melee, fragile af. When we still had staff, at least you could range for uptime (and the rotation was more fun). Elementalist needs a weapon that can range (though it should be better in melee) and has utility to it *Looking at you spear*

[@sanguin3]

Maybe try Tempest instead, the Condi DPS build is simpler than other Ele ones and the spec innately has lots of utility.

[@NekoNrvnqsr]

@@sanguin3 DPS Tempest is cursed by having Fresh Air talent. It gives best damage, but completely butchers your rotation. Half of the time you just sit in the overload air cast.

[@Maitreya3001]

@@sanguin3 thanks it’s nice of you to suggest. I already run most ele builds but all of them lack CC, I guess that’s just what ele is at this point. Other picks are either easier, or doing more at the same time, or both

[@kureysalp]

@@NekoNrvnqsr Fresh air is not the best damage for DPS Tempest. With condi tempest you are not even using the Air trait line. Fire/Earth/Tempest is the way to go and with full Viper's and pistol/warhorn. You can easily reach 40k dps with half the effort of power weaver.

[@ThichabodCrane]

Started playing GW2 earlier this year and started with Ele Weaver. Holy sh*t what was I thinking lol. It's fun as hell, but the effort to reward ratio is insane compared to the other ele specs.

[@aquapendulum]

I hope you liked that piano lesso- I mean Weaver rotation.

[@pkmnswampmaster]

You hit the nail on the head as to why I hate dps ele, now because of the effort but because of how restrictive it is which sound waierd since you always have 20 weapon skills thanks to your elements. I do love heal Elementalist and would recommend it to everyone because you real feel like you have options to tackle different challenges without sacrificing to much of your main role.

[@YouTubeChillZone]

Heal alac ele got same problems most of the time you do stupid rotation and cut off the ability to use utilities or even heal

[@Sumatakso]

On the Weave Self I believe you do get a buff when you swap to that element like for fire you get [Woven Fire: +20% Condition Damage] so the order of weaving is matter to your damage. When you do rotate to all rotation it'll combine to one buff that give the same buff for each element but the duration is refresh and you can active the skill to release the buff to do a small CC around you.

[@mimimalloc]

Weaver is one of those specs I have more fun playing in open world, they have some great self-sustain tools that don't get much use in instanced combat but really shine when you're on your own.

[@coffeeScryer]

I love Weaver

[@666caveman]

As a weaver lover for about a year, I'll chip in my two cents. Are we underpowered for the effort? Yes. Does that make me love the class any less? No. I love how I have to keep thinking about the rotation, especially regarding cc bars and needing to preempt them. I built a condi virt just to check out the hype and hit 30k by sneezing on my keyboard. But I was bored. Everything was in front of me like a buffet so I never had to think about the rotation or what was coming. I'm sure engineer players have a similar experience as I've seen their rotations (except mech rifle, wtf anet) and I would probably enjoy engi if it wasn't the most recent toon I made. In essence, the weaver is not for the player that wants to use the stairs to climb a hill, it's for the player that hacks off a leg, straps on a heavy backpack, and crawls up that sucker. P.S. It tickles me every time I top the DPS in a strike, knowing how easy everyone else had it.

[@slikskils1603]

Ele main here again. Yes I play several instruments, even taught some years back. I think of the other 2 ele mains I know, both are also musicians. Do qheal cata next lol. But u won't find a [good?] guide likely

[@dizadaza]

As someone who mained tempest ele a few years ago and kept hearing about how I should just do weaver instead, this plus the fresh air tempest guide are therapeutic :)

[@Ziggybits]

I have to agree. I have had similar experience. Leveling up for the first time in this game I played a Dagger Dagger Elementlist and I freaken Love it. Once I hit Max level that was no longer a viaiable. Also about buffing. It seems that a huge majority of people also struggle with the dps output on this class. I think buffing it would be great. Why however are we gated from doing that because the top 1% would take that buff and run away with it. I've been playing this class since launch and it seems like the mentality of it is Get Good or don't bother.

[@traveling.down.the.road56]

Can anyone tell me what Arenanet's current balance philosophy is, or point me to a post by any of the developers that explains their balance philosophy? Because I really don't understand so many build balance decisions, and why certain weapons are allowed to become completely useless in any game mode, because the meta weapons are so much better, that it would be ridiculous to use anything but the meta build weapons. Shouldn't all weapons be viable, to promote more builds and play styles that are at least close to performing as well as the meta builds, so players can choose which play style they want to play, instead of being forced and shamed into playing only certain meta builds?

[@YouTubeChillZone]

This is the result of the fact that the only metric in this game is DMG and the fights are so simple that they do not provide any utility to weapons. This whole dev team should make more interesting fights that require more than just clicking the rotation on the DMG, then we could start talking about the variety of weapons for different tasks

[@dieselsandwich42]

-Easy to use? No. -Hard to master? *laughing and sobbing* -Does a lot of damage? Ehhh. Sorta. If you want arthritis. -Sustain? Downstate 2% less than standard ele if you git gud -Cc: on sword dagger maybe, it you're a galaxy brain and are willing to make some dps sacrifices -Be an absolute flurry of elemental wildness like a thief covered in arson, arc flashes, splish splash, and dirt? Y E S I know it sounds terrible but it's my fave spec and my main. My second is power dps reaper because I'm too braindead after this weaver stuff to play anything else and also tie my shoes. (Full disclosure I've been ele main since 2013. I'm only sorta kinda mediocre goodish at weaver in the year of our lord 2024)

[@julbot1]

Anet reallly looked at Weaver, and Elementalist in general, decided none of their skills needed to do damage becuase you can just use 30 of them to hopefully maybe do 3/4ths the dps of a Berserker spamming their Burst on repeat.

[@vilheim9508]

As a catalyst main who struggles with all the same problems weaver has (average, best case above average dps, no utility, no tankiness), I really can't get myself to learn weaver despite it being such a fascinating and cool class fantasy. Your point about the lack of flexibility with utilities/access to cc is spot on - this is why I think tempest is much "healthier" as a specialization because I've found that I can truly swap my utilities to fit the situation without too much sacrifice, or interrupt my rotation slightly to throw out cc on time.

[@lestrado5434]

it means that weaver and catalyst need a solid rework. And I agree with that

[@Aosta]

I love my ele so when picking up a dps to start raiding with this was the first thing i tried (sw/wh version). After many hours of practice I dropped it for spellbreaker instead with immediate better results; more CC, tankier, easier to track auto chains and full counter/endure pain shenanigans. kept sc/wh condi weaver as a backup for range/condi fights and found it much easier than the melee sword version.

[@jmwinn3]

“Pianochist” in the chat killed me 😂 Of all my characters, I’ve yet to make an ele; Muk proves exactly why haha😅

[@jac305]

Weaver is my main and I love it, but it’s true that it is more work for less gain. But it is a lot of fun to play in WvW. Weave Self gives buffs for each element as you attune to them. Before you cycle through all attunements you also can swap twice as fast. This is great for taking advantage of traits that proc on attunement swap and also gives you more adaptability. This is difficult to take advantage of in PvE while trying to do a rotation. Once you attune to all elements, the buff then lasts for only 10 seconds. But you can benefit from individual element buffs for much longer if you hold off from cycling through all four. This way you can extend the duration of, for example, the damage buff from air for up to 15 more seconds if you started it in Air. Each buff in Weave Self for each element is quite strong, but you don’t need most of them in a DPS role. They are much more useful in WvW. Once you get the flow, it’s a lot of fun. I can understand if it is more frustrating to get there.

[@BackwardsCombatable]

Would love to see you try power spellbreaker next so you can see the other side of the spectrum xD

[@didoma73]

I've seen his live, he loves spellbreaker because it's more rewarding

[@tashiowlet2283]

Power weaver was my first DPS with complex rotation which I've learnt, played and enjoyed (still prefered Fresh Air rotation over Bolt to the Heart). Sadly not playing it right now because of meh-warhorn and chono being great again.

[@user-hp9oo6ib5t]

great video, looking forward to the pure dps catalyst one !

[@mahuyo]

lolz, Power Weaver, well 1st with sword the reason you don't really use Water or Earth, is that they are both i guess the best word for it is Disengage Skill, Water will move you back and create a small Field, and Earth you will go under ground for a sec, and pop back up meant to be Finisher for Fields. i would typically recommend Warhorn as it can keep the Fireworks Relic up, i have kept it up on myself 100% for an encounter. Also your primary Dmg is coming from you sword skills, and with Fire and Air Skills, so i would be using my 2 and 3 skill off CD, and you Fire/Air skill when your in that combo and can do the 3 skill, with i will point out is very powerful, the Fire 3 skill is essentially a weaker version of Fire Grab, the ele dagger 5 skill, which power is increased if the Foe is burning, the Air 3 Skill is a multi hit skill but also applies Vuln, so something like Air Overload. with the warhorn skill your suppose to stagger then between swaps so you have 1 avalible each time the Warhorn is in an attunement. As for the Elite i would say it is typically up to the player, i would i've played around, with success, with my favorite skill Take Root, but you can also use Fiery Greatsword, which would give more damage and a buff to dmg, but you also have to keep the elemental rotation up.

[@TheTolnoc]

A Weaver is just an Elementalist that wants to be a Thief. You just have Dual Element skills instead of Dual Wield skills.

[@ozirus3344]

You would think Ele would have the most versatility in their utility. But no, the Utility bar is just a 5th Element.

[@kunkudunk1133]

Honestly Ele's biggest crime is how useless their utilities are. So many of them got nerfed over a decade ago because of pvp before pvp balance was separate and many just never got buff back. On top of that the cast time on the conjures just makes them worse than kits, and so many of the utilities don't actually have any real utility to them (brilliant), just more damage. Comparing them to guardian, mesmer, honestly anyone but thief is just depressing, and in Thief's case its mostly from a lot of their utility being focused on stealth and pvp aspects but they still have basilisk venom. I love the class and love playing weaver as it's a blast but man is it too much to ask for some skills with actual utility for the party when I'm not a tempest lol.

[@egomaniacXFR]

I stopped playing GW2 in 2020 and was an Ele main playing both power and condi weaver. Good to see that years later A-Net is still not rewarding players who can master this abomination of elite spec and these rotations (especially condi weaver). Edit: I also remember people stealing my FGS....

[@eligore6908]

Not that it matters but with Unravel, sword/dagger has a strong burst rotation you can use for stuff like dungeons

[@Gnipahell1r]

I was Ele main in vanilla and this was exactly the reason, why I quit the game back then

[@TheTolnoc]

If you want to replicate Weaver rotations on another class, try playing DPS Scrapper with a bunch of kits.

[@westcoastwarriorsarchive7929]

the time it takes to get to your CC skills is why I like running fresh air over bolt to the heart. You can at any time double tap air and and get fully attuned to air. But unlike most classes this also breaks your rotation and you have to start over and potentially skip skills if they are on CD. I have also switched to scourge for my primary dps class too because weaver while interesting to play definitely feels like its way to hamstrung for its tiny bit more dps than other classes can do.

[@YouTubeChillZone]

Before you can do this, you will have already killed half of the team in raids CC that is not instantaneous are useless

[@westcoastwarriorsarchive7929]

@@KZbinChillZone in normal weaver yes, with the fresh air trait its just a quick double tap of air attunement and you're instantly fully attuned to air. You can do air sword 2 dagger 5, then attune to earth and use the dual skill for more CC if theres time. Its not ideal but its something. Sill not good though.

[@dedeath]

power weaver rotation is deceptively very easy and it flows and loops so nicely. One of the most satisfying rotations to do imo. Even the weave self rotation isnt that hard, you can do an easier version of weave self, basically as long as you touch each element once you will get the perfect weave buff. definitely agree on overall balance design though. classes that bring very little utility should be blasting a ton of DPS. Cough Cough thief and ele

[@christophersmith8316]

I'm a filthy casual and kinda like my weaver...but I don't continually swap the various elements. I like having a mixed palate of half fire/half air, say, but if i take damage I can add water for a bit and recover, they swap back in. If I switch to earth I get an HP boost while I do. I am running celestial since I used one of the free level 80 upgrades. She seems a tad more survivable overall than the elementalist since there is less standing close waiting for the big elemental attack to pop off.

[@Reiea_]

I started with ele as my first class back in the day. After branching out to alts, I feel like ele is like playing with a handicap.

[@kizzatta]

I lol'd at "you get nothing, Charlie" 😂

[@RyuDouro]

weaver should give both alac and quickness to compensate. temp and cata dont need it compared to weaver.

[@charrmon]

It's my favorite class/subclass that I'm bad at. Weaver sword/dagger does have a good amount of CC if you don't commit to a rotation, but then you lose damage. Just from the weapons: Air, sword 2, dagger 5 Air/earth 3 Earth dagger 4 But once again it's coping for a class I love but don't play well with

[@rockaway149]

The base rotation of power BttH weaver is probably one of the easier ones out there, just 2 small skil chains followed by some AA cycles in between. Weave self can be a little bit daunting at the beginning, but honestly isn't that bad as soon as you realize you can cut some of the weave self rotation out if you haven't got perma alac/quick uptime or have to break your rotation for a quick dodge or something. CC is definitely struggling abit on the BttH sw/wh pdps, but it's not to bad with sw/d since gale strike+earthquake offer a good amount of CC aswell usually resulting in only minimal dps loss. FA sw/d weaver is actually quite versatile utilizing almost every single weapon skill, has a lot of CC on demand and still benches like ~41k ish. Unravel sw/d Btth weaver is probably currently the highest benching weaver build rn, but is absolutely horrible to play (has like a

[@BrandoF2P]

Can't wait to see his opinion of the amount of cc dps spellbreaker has 😆

[@MuklukYoutube]

"how much cc does spellbreaker have" "yes"

[@antoniocorbachomatthes1629]

Sincerely I was hoping patch 25th to give eles some more love, specially catalyst for the buffs. So it will stay like some other people already said, a class for people with 12 fingers.

[@krissparrrow]

omg, the colors you chose for the table match my country's flag xD awesome

[@Log_Pile]

I find myself getting bored on other classes, but weaver feels exciting to play. Even if it isn't 100% meta (lacks utility)

[@johnsonrojo3]

I was hoping you would do Weaver next! I tried it so many times but I just can’t anymore lol.

[@krauss025]

Start half cocked on air, use weaver self fully attune on air and you get a 10% dmg buff for 10 seconds

[@MNMNT_OG]

Currently leveling a Sylvari elementalist just for aesthetics, well knowing I probably quit playing the class after reaching 80 or unlocking tempest :D

[@humanbugman]

I dont really play weaver for many of the same reasons (also ele just feels bad if you arent good at it) but sw/wh does actually give quite a bit of utility to you and the party which kinda makes up for pressing 5k apm for mediocre dps

[@CuriousMoth]

Maybe if the spear is any good, we'll see the long-awaited reawakening of Weaver DPS supremacy... right up until Anet nerfs it out of existence, but it'll be a pretty sweet ride up until that point!

[@YouTubeChillZone]

There is no such possibility because there is a primodial stance a skill that deals too much DMG to not take it and a skill that forces you to be mele

[@tabe2278]

I would suggest trying the version with warhorn/flame legion rune/fresh air. Cc is a lot more responsive and the rotation feels less strict as anytime you mess up can just start over in air/air

[@jdspetersgaming]

weaver is rough but fun. i'm still working on getting my numbers up, but there are plenty of cc's. you just have to know when a cc is required and rotate ahead... which can be annoying.

[@smackfanxion]

Weable was the entire reason I made an ele. Loved the concept. Hated playing it.

[@rorsh4xx]

i cant wait for Catalyst and just DPS Revenant in general

[@nerdicusdorkum2923]

Hopefully catalyst is a much easier time. IMO, it's just vanilla+. The core already has a lot going on with constant weapon swapping, last thing I need is more dumb gimmicks from the elite specs.

[@veselinrankov7322]

I still dont understand why i have 12k hp as a weaver, when i bring less utility, less damage and less cc than a reaper who is immortal

[@cjb110]

I do feel like a lot of the DPS build guides need a 'comfy' version, where they swap some of the dps for defence, utility, etc

[@vinchenzonorath8965]

Salutations Muk , I am a Weaver main and after watching I can honestly say all solid ,very solid facts but your looking at the "Weaver" specialization from a wrong aspect , So to spare you from what I'm sure your comment section has already have provided " WEAVER" is a Class which is very flexible but in its flexibility its tougher . Basically , Yes ,it can heal , do taxes , binge a MUK-season ,feed the dogs and chase someone all the way back to the spawn point but if you want to have all that. well, I think the video is explaining that part in great depth . P.S. Keep on making the awesome content

[@AusTxMale]

I would like to see the look on Mukluk's face when he realizes that staff weaver is also possible. More CC and boon options, and you are ranged.

[@238Hero238]

As someone who mains Ele (and is bad at the game - this is the only MMO I've ever seriously played, unless you count Warframe), I feel like Weaver was kinda designed for two groups: tryhards and extreme casuals. Tryhards, because they can challenge themselves with complicated rotations and precise timings, and Extreme Casuals, because you can kind of just do whatever at a moment's notice, whether that be damage, dot, crit, healing, tank... Not as well as a class that can do just one or two mind you, but it's very open.

[@YouTubeChillZone]

I don't know where you got this information from, but as someone who has played with tryhards who are good enough to sell content, I see that they play other classes that have more to offer than just DMG. Let's take this mesmer for example, he has DMG power and condi, and he is also a very good healer and okay boon DPS. Lower complexity than ele and much better utility which makes the real player who thinks have much more fun than just setting fires

[@maltimoto]

To be honest, I put 5 fingers on 1-5 and 5 Fingers on F1-F5. Then I press them randomly. And it works.

[@206Zelda]

I forgot how complex ANET made and left this particular specialization at 😅 None of the Mesmer builds are as ridiculous as the effort put into this rotation. Biased, ANET, biased! 😂😂

[@pwk50]

I find pistol condi weaver easier to play and easier to do more dmg. The rotation isn't that hard really after u just learn which bullet spender to use. Edit. It's even less ping friendly due to bullet skills being faster than sword animations. I also reccomend using Unravel. It's a fun mechanic and there are no (close to none) Weaver builds that use it.

[@june_o9]

I Iike the idea of this profession spec. Always looked so cool to me, but! It's a pain to play is since you must in the end press too many keys as Muk said :/ Edit: I hope to see same video for Mesmer 🥳

[@nicka.200]

he said something about an air fryer, idk i main guardian

[@Shade00a00]

I liked hammer weaver but I know it's throwing out most of the weaver advantages out, the channels just feel fun and augment well with the hammer 3s

[@uniquename111]

Spear for ele on Tuesday. If Cal is still doing ele i expect 30 keys rotation and if you need something other then damage it will break your rotation and your damage is lost and you can be certain about that your 2 stacks of might on some skill will be nerfed the week after. All whilst everybody else is flying around, going stealth, shadowsteps, dodges like there is not tomorrow all whilst cleansing 500 condtions and adding 300 stacks of every boon in the game just by looking at your keyboard AND shit out damage with 2 buttons and having a blast. I am already disapointed at the Spear, that is how emotionally damaged i am as a ele for 10 years. And yes i still play it so obviously i have a love for ele, but it is a rough love since many years now.

[@KaelRhain]

i quit for how they treat eles, something that hasnt happened to me in any other mmo, i dont mind the piano play, but nerf after nerf, that not only affects pvp, but pve, nah.

[@Pancake243x]

I was waiting for this video 😆

[@raarsi-dar]

"I don't understand why it is." Does anyone else feel like this line should be attributed to literally everything associated with elementalist?

[@whyisthisathingnow...]

Power dps weaver flows the nicest out of all the ele power specs for me. Like chain to chain. Power cata which I used to play a ridiculous amount just always feels clunky in comparison. And tempest still feels weird with the overloads and using melee weapons, bit slow and boring. (Not including fresh air scepter weaver)

[@rmyoung87]

Should have waited on power weaver since the upcoming patch is going to buff scepter in a manner specifically for power weaver to use (scepter was the pre-pistol choice for condi weavers and is used in pvp builds). Also, Weaver really shines more as a solo open world and PVP spec more than as a DPS PVE.... but it struggles to have a place when Catalyst exists.

[@YouTubeChillZone]

PvP kek I recommend playing it in platinum or higher, this class is not the same as two years ago

[@DieDarnIt]

I use to main ele but stopped after POF came out and the only viable pvp build for weaver was water tank. You could survive for a very long time but did no damage which I thought was fair... but players did not, complained and got the only build nerfed. From then on I just noticed if ele was even the slightest bit decent, people complained and it got nerfed while other classes that can press one skill that half hps you and be unblockable, get buffs.

[@russpc9739]

I actually really like power weaver I commonly make this joke that im playing the piano for 44k dps but i die in one hit

[@mandalaputra2787]

Mukluk, will there be any guide on solo bounty, especially for warrior classes? 😢

[@Corwin23-i7m]

I don't think Mukluk is that kind of player. If you want people doing solo bounties, try Lord Haizen. I could be wrong though 🤷‍♂

[@Safineya]

​@@Corwin23-i7m Nah you spot on. Lord Hizen is the guy to go to for soloing group content and even something like fractals xD. He wouldnsolo a raid if there wasn't a timer I bet.

[@mandalaputra2787]

Ok guys, thanks for the responses 😁👍

[@YouTubeChillZone]

Lord hizen got solo YT channel dedicated to GW 2

[@jadedjhypsi]

I guess I am a bit of a Pianochist... but I use scepter/focus with all ranged attacks...

[@slip1419]

7:30 A piassochist you say?

[@okymcz3678]

Holding back my inner elementalist main that just wants to say skill issue to every subclass that isn’t either hammer Catalyst or Weaver or HFB in a training run for Fractal CMs with newbies. But he’s right.

[@soulsfood5691]

Sorry weavers Ooof i felt that