I Tried Robotic Guitar Tuners and I Wish I Hadn't

[@literalghost929]

7:52 "What is that noise?" That's the authentic noise of a gibson headstock.

[@stevenharrison151]

It´s especially funny because of the amount of smack he was talking at the beginning 🤣

[@optimusminimus-v3d]

That's the sound of a volute free headstock.

[@Louzahsol]

@@optimusminimus-v3dvolutes feel weird

[@SlyRyFry]

@@Louzahsol Really you won't even feel it after a little while playing on one. I have guitars with and without them and never notice it

[@SFloyd794]

Good catch. That sucks to break a head stock on Gibson. He handle a lot better than I would of.

[@dequan916]

They way it was tuning fast and passing the correct pitch was like watching a horror film lol.

[@OkinInc]

My eyes were squinting the whole time. 😂

[@annekedebruyn7797]

The title is wrong. "I tried Robotic Guitar Tuner and got free relic-ing"

[@Frikkieman]

😂 It's just a feature they don't tell you about.

[@danielktdoranie]

Better: “I bought G-Force tuners, put them on a guitar that didn’t have the right type of nut, I didn’t read instructions and I blame the product” Also didn’t install the software update

[@EbonyPope]

I think it is just the lacquer. It can crack when the wood beneath it deforms too quickly. I think the headstock is still fine.

[@Roy_1]

@@EbonyPope Orange lacquer is great for margaritas

[@dnantis]

Yeah .. free checking !!

[@ErikSWE]

Just some cracks in the lacquer, you can now trade it in as a $10k Murphy Lab relic.

[@amaurythewarrior]

most likely, but i'd be pretty pissed too

[@Healcraft]

@@amaurythewarrior he has like 9 billion dollars of guitars im sure he can afford to have it fixed even if it did crack

[@misinformationwithrandy]

You, sir, win the Internet today

[@themattlewisexperience]

That's not your head stock that cracked. If you look very closely it's just your lacquer. It was from the nut being pulled by the strings and it pressed on the lacquer.

[@literalghost929]

gibson guitars doing gibson things

[@JR-io8kw]

agree!

[@southernpanda33]

That’s definitely just your lacquer. I’ve got a guitar that I thought had a heel break but it was just the paint. Looked just like that.

[@strawsparky33]

​@@literalghost929newsflash, people buy gibsons because they want a guitar that's built like how they used to be in the 50s and 60s. Flaws and all. Obviously they aren't for you

[@literalghost929]

@@strawsparky33 Oh didn't know they had robotuners back then. But yeah if you want shoddy build quality, gibson is the only authentic choice, most modern manufacturers have QA and reliable build quality, definitely not something Gibson consumers are looking for; with gibson, you really have to hunt down that one special gibson which was build properly and sounds so much better than all the others; that one magical unicorn. Picking up a guitar and just having it play and sound great is just soo boring. Gotta be a quest to find a good one!

[@NikkoBalbedina]

Its like playing a pitch russian roulette

[@zombiezilla]

With three bullets!

[@dstbnny_ch]

that unintentional toilet bowl trickshot was brutal lmao

[@w4fer]

"this doesn't belong in the trash, this belongs in the toilet" -god or something

[@AceRuiner1979]

The lord redirected that tuner from the trash to the toilet, a holy miracle!

[@yeahBradley]

An automatic guitar tuner is a scary piece of technology. The entire time it's increasing the tension the only question I ask myself is "Is there a failsafe?" and "I hope there's more than one."

[@OhGawdHesGotAGun]

with heavy strings & fully charged battery, if it misjudged the pitch, pretty sure it has the strength to snap some necks. EDIT: That said, I was surprised to see it happen.

[@acrock21]

spongebob: Floor it??? Mrs Puff: yes. NO NO NO Spongebob... spongebob : FLOOR IT??!?!?!?! spongebob: OKAY! FLOOR IT!!!!!!!!!!!

[@StevenHadfield]

The prat was manually tuning, not letting it tune itself to pitch, it has the the same failsafe as a standard tuner in that scenario, none. If you keep winding, you'll add tension. 100% operator error.

[@acrock21]

@@StevenHadfield so do you never manual tune these?

[@StevenHadfield]

@@acrock21 Of course you can, but it's up to you to stop it winding after it's reached pitch (he didn't), as it would be with any tuner. With the tuners turned off they also act like normal tuners, where you can turn the pegs. The muppet hadn't bothered to learn how these work, it's his own fault or deliberately done for content. It's actually a good system that works well. The mistake by Gibson was making it standard rather than an option. Would be good on acoustics where alternate tuning is more common.

[@txhookey5608]

Now you have that perfect gift for a guitar player that is on the naughty list.

[@lemau8458]

The guitar doesn't deserve it though.

[@EbonyPope]

I think it is just the lacquer. It can crack when the wood beneath it deforms too quickly. I think the headstock is still fine.

[@HermitTheFraud]

I could tell you were trying to give an honest review, and this is probably in my head, but every time I hear guitar players review these things it seems like they go in wanting to hate them. And, surprise surprise, they succeed. I have a Tronical Tune system (which I think is identical to the G-Force) on a Les Paul Studio and I've had it for years. I love it. Love it, love it, love it.

[@joeyskar]

I started working at Sam Ash Margate when these first started coming out on the 2015 models in the 2014 holiday season and it was quite a mixed feeling. Yeah, when it was bad it was absolutely horrible but when it was good it was quite a breath of fresh air. Being able to jump from standard to whatever tuning you wanted was pretty badass. I programmed the Rain Song tuning on mine (SG Standard) and it's one of my favorite guitars to play.

[@NFMorley]

I have an LP standard that originally came with these robo tuners - got a great deal on it for this reason from someone who didn't like it, and did initially plan to swap the tuners off but stuck with them for quite a while. I did change after a couple of years as I found restringing a hassle, but to be fair they did tune up fairly well and hold pitch. I think that crack is a result of the force the system was pulling over the guitar's nut unfortunately (or the shock from a quick change in tension), as the robotuners can put a lot of tension across it quickly. Hopefully it's just 'cosmetic' of the lacquer on the top layer. AFAIK Gibson guitars with these tuners installed all have both zero frets and a floating metal nut design rather than traditional style nuts. The change in design to use these elements to me suggests Gibson anticipated it might cause issues with a tradional style nut, or had problems 'binding' which could really stress the nut given the force of motorised tuners.

[@kicksareforribs5156]

My sg came with them stock. Has normal nut. Works perfectly fine. Was definitely user error imo. Ive had mine start doing that because i was plucking the wrong string. Stopped immediately and reset.

[@xxczerxx]

This dude's reaction to his guitar getting cracked is really admirable. I used to be really precious about getting my guitars damaged but you're so spot on when you say "they're just things" . It took me years to get to not baby new ones and go "oh cool" when I inevitably ding it in a wall etc

[@slimshady3116]

I mean, you're right, but let me say this: I recently bought an Epiphone Les Paul prophecy, I paid almost 1000€ for it, and it was literally a month worth of work I did, I'm extremely careful as to not bump it into walls etc, especially since I paid all that i worked for. And it's so frustrating cause it gets all the dust and makes me mad cause I want it to look "new"🥴 I need to stop this haha

[@viffer5]

These things work. There is an updated firmware that reduces the tuning time and increases precision. Having a charged battery helps and knowing how to use it/reading the manual helps. One thing that was not mentioned is how it has 3 banks of different tunings and will do custom tunings as well. It's a great tool to tune between songs silently at the push of a button. Initial setup on a string change is a bit of a pain, but once it it setup I find the updated version with a charged battery works as it is intended.

[@dogpd3]

He didn’t use it right

[@markusaurelius777]

You don't need them. PERIOD. PLayed live for over 40 yrs without one. Hmmmm,,I wonder how I pulled that off.

[@viffer5]

@@markusaurelius777 that's true. I like them, not everyone does and that's ok. This was not a fair representation of the tuners unfortunately.

[@DirtyDog995]

Note to MiW... the battery needs to be charged for it to work properly... flash red batt warning is a no-go

[@OhGawdHesGotAGun]

Yep, whole time i was watching that wondering why the battery was dead. Still, it shouldn't pull so tight that it damages anything. I've had them break light strings (8-40, 9-42) but never heavier strings. I've never had the Tronical on a 3+3 config, only 6-inline.

[@DirtyDog995]

@@OhGawdHesGotAGun I have them on a 2015 LP 100th anniversary (GForce edition) and even if you hold a button down when restringing the motor will time-out and stop forcing you to press it again. While tuning if it goes past 'intune' it will wind the string down quite a bit before it attempts again. I do find that after restringing if you get them close to 'intune' by ear using the motors they will spend less time 'hunting' for the sweet 'intune' spot. Either he bought a defective set from someone of this is a hit piece as Tronical is still in business. Also when installing on another guitar you are suppose to perform a calibration after the initial tuning... something he did not do.

[@OhGawdHesGotAGun]

@@DirtyDog995 Yep, my thing was putting 9.5 - 44 Ernie Ball strings on my Strat and tuned it to half-down per my usual, then to break the strings in, I'd do a few bends and let the Tronical fix the slack every now & then. Tronical was a good solution for me as I was experimenting with different tunings, and I don't know how long you'd have to use them to wear the batteries down, but I spent 5hrs + per session when I was starting out (first guitar in 2018, @ 48yrs old) & only saw the low battery light once. The instructions were pretty bad, though, and anyone with a tiny bit of experience and locking tuners will benefit just as much. That's why my Tronical robo-tuners sit in storage & my Schallers have taken their place. You know how purists get about their Gibsons though. Gibson took a chance though, I respect that. It's not like regular tuners are tough to find. People overreact. I love Tyler's channel - he & Marty Music guided me around so many pitfalls as I started out recently & likely saved me a ton of money. Then there's the fact that in a hundred years I could never approach his level of musical talent. Gotta admit, I never suspected Tronicals would cause anything to crack on any guitar unless the guitar was doomed already.

[@vinny5004]

Another example of user error. Not that I like these, but honestly people don’t like robots or gimmicks on guitars. Also, I bet most of the people that had these, never read the instructions and ended up using them incorrectly, like in this video.

[@DirtyDog995]

@@vinny5004 If you do a lot of open tuning performances these are great for quick changes which is what I use the LP for but most people that got the 2014-15 Gibson models immediately removed them.

[@mrNobody100]

hearing the actual cracking noises was nerve-racking...

[@Ottophil]

Ive snapped a gibby headstock off. Its nbd. True fans don’t let that stop them from the brand cause a youtubers nerves were racked

[@alexmayhew8989]

No big deal to you

[@bodi.mp3]

@@OttophilI agree that if it’s a good guitar that’s it’ll be fixed, but not everyone has the means to get stuff repaired. I’m lucky to both work at a music shop and have a good luthier local so my neck fracture was only $60, but it can get expensive depending on where you are

[@EbonyPope]

I think it is just the lacquer. It can crack when the wood beneath it deforms too quickly. I think the headstock is still fine.

[@gewglesux]

Nerve cracking is more like it

[@moomoomooshit]

Tronical still sells these (just not Gibson-branded). I loved them so much on my '16 HP I put them on ALL my other Gibsons. Zero issues, no headstock cracks, or anything else bad. You have to calibrate the unit once it's installed (or when you change string size/brands), which didn't help your tuning issues and speed.

[@robraaiii]

The ole “off the trash lid, into the toilet, nothing but net” summed up the whole experiment perfectly. My condolences. 🤘🏻😞

[@glynnepritchard2526]

I had the auto tuners on my LP Studio and they worked great. The only reason I changed the was some muppet, not me, put the battery in the wrong way round and broke the power connector. They are great on stage for alternate tuning, a quick tune once your strings are on. Anyone who says they didnt work, didnt read the manual

[@viffer5]

For a gigging musician that plays multiple tunings, I really appreciate how this makes life easier than tuning between songs or having multiple guitars in different tunings. Having more gear at a show means more stuff that could get stolen unfortunately so 1 guitar that does multiple tunings at the push of a button in seconds is a plus in my books.

[@markusaurelius777]

nobody in the right mind would buy such a useless tool for musicians. Use your fucking ears and a regular headstock tuner ffs.

[@AllofJudea]

​@@viffer5did you try that line 6 guitar? It did that, although I imagine there was lag

[@shaunw9270]

A friend of mine got a good deal on an SG with Tronical tuners years ago. Never worked very well and stopped working after 18 months. Replaced with regular tuners.

[@Bairov]

Hopefully, that's just a finish thing, lol. The signature T Les Paul came with this stock.

[@spudwashington3880]

Looks like just a finish crack to me

[@WW-1995]

@@mikew42906 Welll, there is. You can bump your headstock, making the finishes crack but without damaging the wood. Happened with nitro finish on my strat headstock.

[@ruggie.74]

@@mikew42906 lmfao yes there is. what planet do you live on?

[@OhGawdHesGotAGun]

Test it on a Harley Benton first!

[@fomi4131]

07:46: But the cracks were already there with the low tuning, before the tuning went way to high. Maybe these are finish cracks due to the tension changes. I would fix it by buying a Strat.

[@jeffanderson8384]

After several bad experiences with Gibsons (I've got a list) switched entirely to Fenders. That took care of the "list".

[@robotsongs]

*DDDDDDAAAAAAMMMMMMNNNNNN* this needs to be at the top of the comments. Calling out Tyler for fuckery! Come on, dude.

[@tsupra87]

I seen that as well and was checking to see if anyone else caught it. You can see the crack or checking before.

[@pee-in-the-wind]

PRS is better than Strats and Fender. Fender is a joke; cheaply build and they play like a log. Before you think this is elitist talk, remember there are allot of PRS guitars that are cheaper and better than both.

[@gergnotsloh]

That's assuming that edit was shot before it happened. It's a totally different cut and could have been added in later.

[@LandBreaker]

"yeah babe one second my guitar is almost done charging"

[@viffer5]

My charge lasts like literally maybe 6 months or more? I charge like once or twice a year depending on useage. You can always get a second battery as a backup and have zero down time...

[@mymodel6]

Yeah coz you still use a twist dial landline phone...

[@ShamboPieters]

The problem with the robot tuners are that theybwere just done really bad if they had put good work into them it would be super practical

[@metalpuppet5798]

I had them for years on my LTD Truckster (bought them directly from the German company Tronical who makes the ones on the Gibsons. They make them for all kinds of guitars). They worked great

[@00FUNeebs]

These worked amazing just people wanna over do it for tuning go individual or strum all 6 strings whichever is out of tuning it'll tell you hit it after simple

[@calebdrake3544]

@@metalpuppet5798 How much did it cost you? tempted to get one for my gibson

[@vorpalblades]

They were still only at the prototype stage. Gibson insisted on releasing them and ended up leaving Tronical with $90 million in debt.

[@zaxmaxlax]

​@@vorpalbladesThats their fault, companies come and go

[@johnking3863]

I bought a studio les Paul with these on, work great never had an issue just read the manual. I think they're solving a problem that doesn't exist though.

[@oliver9089]

Send the tuner to me. I have it on 2 of my guitars, and I love it. Sure, I know how to tune a guitar, but this is so fast and easy. You do, of course, have to use it properly.

[@TheMNB]

I bought a Les Paul with the G-Force tuners years back. I didn't want the tuners, but the model that had the features I wanted came with them. I did not have as much trouble as you with tuning it up and such. Sometimes it works great. Others.... well... not so much. When the batteries no longer charge, I'll swap them out for non-robo tuners. It'll reduce the weight at the end of the neck.

[@harmlessweirdo8277]

Maximum Overdrive has come for our guitars!

[@gewglesux]

great film... crackin sound track

[@asharpbflat7179]

Omg, I was so worried for a second that this would be a video showing how great they actually are. By now I want the secret kept. You did a great job keeping the myth alive 🤣 My 2015 LP Junior is probably the only robot Gibson that never had them removed. And I'll NEVER remove them! 😋

[@mohammadal-yatama122]

They are not the most intuitive to use. But if you learn how to use them they are not bad. They are locking tuners. They do get your strings to correct pitch, and they stay in tune very well, they work. You can adjust tuning manually when the power is off so as not to damage the motors. If all your guitar strings are out of tune, by allot, then the system has a hard time telling which string is at what pitch. Simply knowing how to use the system would prevent this kind of mishap. All you needed to do was to just long press the power button. That would activate the tuners in order, one by one, from low to high e, instead of all the strings togetherness. What happened was the system probably heard the vibration of the A string, which was so out of tune and low pitched, it thought this is the pitch of the low e. So it kept trying to tighten the low e, until it became too tight and cracked your guitar. It's not a terrible system, but it is also not a perfect system. As you have demonstrated, it's certainly not idiot proof.

[@mikeellis9720]

Will it add significantly to SG neck dive?

[@jasonswitzer1748]

“Not idiot proof…” Zing!!!!

[@dogpd3]

Yeah he was supposed to hit one string at a time. Not all together lol 😆

[@JustAnotherINFJ]

I've loved my Tronical tuners for years!

[@JustAnotherINFJ]

They make them for Fender guitars too. I charge it once every 6 months or so.

[@ZombieMan789]

I have a 2015 les Paul classic with the Gforce tuners and it works awesome for me. The trick is to know exactly how to use it and make sure it’s fully charged.. I have many different tunings saved in mine and have no problem going from standard tune to full step down or any kind of crazy tuning I want at the push of a button. I bought mine new and it came with the book. It took me about 2 weeks to really get the hang of it.

[@EdvinLaura]

Same for me

[@morgancorey982]

I have a Tronical Tune setup on my all aluminum guitar. I freaking love the thing! Absolutely zero issues, just turn on, tune up (or tune to a different tuning), and I am off to the races. One of the better gear choices I have made in a good long while.

[@therealphilosopherpete]

Thank you for your sacrifice.

[@donaldboyd2818]

I was a tech for Guitar Center when these were pulled from the market. Gibson sent all of us templates and new standard tuners to retro fit all of the new Gibson's and remove all of these Gforce tuners to be shipped back to Gibson. They were an utter failure. They constantly would take on a mind of their own and break strings, tune incorrectly, and damage guitars. You're actually not supposed to manually turn the tuning pegs either. Doing so damages the mechanisms, which was an additional problem that customers were running into. Because they would accidentally break their Gforce tuners by habitually turning the tuning pegs when they needed to tune quickly. I hated these things back then. After I determined the auto mode sucked donkey balls, any time I had to work on a guitar with one I always switched them into manual mode and tuned it myself. The best decision Gibson ever made was to quietly pull these from the market and offer free tuner swaps to any and all customers who purchased one. Good riddance. Seeing yours thrown in the toilet was actually pretty great to watch.

[@kieranblacker]

Honestly, I think if Gibson stuck these out I think they would have been amazing now!

[@downcastbass]

I have a tronical (literally same thing) on my taylor acoustic and its awesome. perfectly tunes. great for kids or newer players that struggle with getitng all the strings properly tuned and moves the focus to learning to play rather than trying to figure out why it sounds bad. But it does have a learning curve for proper use and is much more powerful than I could ever fully exploit

[@luistijerina]

Like uncle Dave said: If there’s a new way, I’ll be the first in line

[@luly18524]

Si no lee el manual 😊 va a romper todo

[@Slightly-Wright]

Your half bath is sickkk my guy, we need a house tour looks like you’re unique and creative in your decor as well🎸

[@mustardwater112]

i know right, that is like the sickest bathroom ever

[@benhj]

I never understood all the hate around these. I have them on my 2015 LP traditional and they're absolutely fantastic

[@markusaurelius777]

Not needed...a simple headstock tuner does the job fine...plus guitars are not perfectly intonated, and your ears do the fine tuning before u go live.

[@glenngardin3561]

Totally agree. Read the manual and they work great!

[@TheHatMusic]

Some people have books in the bathroom to occupy them when they're busy in there for a while. Tyler has a selection of basses and a pod. I now have new life goals!! The perfect bathroom DOES exist!!!

[@kagenotatsumaki]

Stevie T towed a car with I think it was 20 guitars strings. I'm not surprised that a Gibson headstock broke before a single E string. XD

[@markparadis8029]

Think it was like 7-8 strings actually

[@markparadis8029]

Before they ran the neck into the front of the car lol

[@kagenotatsumaki]

7-8!? Damn... Poor Gibson didn't stand a chance. XD

[@thej..............]

Those guitars ara very very good to burn in the fireplace!

[@paedahe4975]

4:08 Never had that problem…

[@USAJ31]

nice intro. Man i like your channel a lot. I wish you the best.

[@imgonnagetbanned]

I still have a set of the Min E Tunes I got with my old Les Paul Signature T… I tried them once and could NOT get them to work before removing them and putting Grovers on!

[@metalpuppet5798]

I bought them directly from Tronical. They make them for all kinds of guitars. Had them on my LTD Truckster for years. They worked great

[@davestuart8787]

I have a Les Paul with the Gforce from the factory, at first I hated it. I learned I had to calibrate it and do it once every couple of weeks. I can save and store multiple different tinning and switch between them easily and accurately. I use the mode to wind string up close to tune then fine tune each string after each string change. I have two batteries and change them out when one gets to about 2/3rds charge. I found it was mostly user error at first. I just had to learn how to use it properly.

[@RichardHoogstad]

Thanks for using it so the rest of the world doesn't have to

[@arnolddealiii4259]

I had a 2015 Les Paul Junior and the entire line came stock with G-force tuners. I was not intending on keeping them but the first string change I did I stripped a servo in one of the tuners because I over tightened the string locking nut. Grover’s locking tuners are way better.

[@lewisflintham]

I have these on my 2015 LP Standard. "Press, Strum, Perfect". Not exactly every time, but, if you pluck each string rather than strumming the lot, it's pretty good. Makes it pretty easy to swap tunings too (with a quick check of the manual, as it's not something i do too often). People don't half hate on the 2015's, but I really like mine. I enjoy the flexibility of the push/pull pots, the flame top and paint finish on mine are excellent. Plus the fretboard markers are real mother of pearl. I don't like the headstock silkscreen, but i can live with that when i play it and remember how good it is. It sounds and feels great. People will hate on it, but I like it, so that's all that matters :-)

[@clintgordon412]

I wish so hard to own one of those Gibsons but ill never be able to afford one an that is really really depressing be satisfied just to try one closes ill ever get to bad thou my dream guitar if ya ever feel like given that as a gift you would make me the happiest 51 year old in world love your vids i learn so much cheers

[@xGoldriever]

@8:45 G shock tuners by Casio tho? Sounds neat

[@JesseMichel]

Dude your bathroom is dope haha. Love the POD on the toilet

[@T0neXIII]

9:38 A flush would've been epic.

[@themchannel853]

I was in high-school when these came out and I was just learning guitar, I remember how hyped I was and thought as soon as I get a job I'm going to buy me a set, glad I never did 😂

[@ruffryder13]

Knowing how to tune your guitar (manually) is just part of being a competent guitar player

[@markusaurelius777]

Yuppers

[@engjds]

Yeah, but what if you havent got fingers to tune it? then its useful right?)

[@kellybrincks]

I like the Tronical tuners. If you can't afford a bunch of guitars, this is a pretty reasonable backup and to be able to try out new tunings is sweet. And Jimmy Page had a built in system back in the 90s.

[@Rickholly74]

I have a 2015 Gibson Les Paul Less. The auto tuners are amazing and work well. I understand that some people find them so non-traditional so they immediately hate the idea. They should try them first.

[@TheMNB]

I have one (not sure if it's the same year) and it's worked much better for me than shown in this video. I've never had it overpitch a string very much at all. Restringing is a bit of a pain and sometimes the strum tune just doesn't want to get it right. Others it works amazingly well.

[@alexmayhew8989]

No we shouldn’t. We should all buy a tuner and learn to tune by ear

[@questfortruth665]

They tried to make a better mousetrap - and the mouse ate the mousetrap!

[@andywhite3777]

I had a 2015 LP Standard and it was a nice guitar (for the discount price) and the biggest issue wasn’t the G- Force, it was the very soft brass nut which wore quickly. I replaced it with a graph tech which was really great and the gforce worked a treat. Ultimately I bought replacement locking Klusons mainly because of the peer pressure 😂 and the fact that head stock tuners got so much better and accurate since.

[@cliffprowse3341]

Guitar Gods said… Trash: ❌ Toilet: ✅

[@mikebottiaux5850]

I feel for you, Tyler. Sorry for your loss.

[@MrRoybob]

That poetic bounce into the toilet was 😅

[@sputniksam]

You’re definitely making it look like hard work. I have a 2015 Studio with the GeForce tuners and it makes changing tunings a breeze, from E Standard to Drop D, to Open C, and so on. As for tuning stability, it’s no different from any other Gibson.

[@artstuckman5086]

The device needs to be calibrated,when I change strings I sometimes tune the guitar manually and then the gforce will be alright from that point on, I love my gforce tuner!

[@DirtyDog995]

I do the same thing. Never have problems with mine and love it for quick change of open tunings.

[@l800LEMMINGS]

I don’t know how they haven’t gotten this right. There was a company that made one of these in 2001 and they were on the guitars at the Experience Music Project in Seattle and it worked flawlessly.

[@scottclark7592]

I had these on a 2015 les paul special-they worked great and made me pick up the guitar more often for a quick play since I knew I wouldnt have to tune up. At gigs though, sometimes the volume of stage and crowd between songs would vibrate guitar enough to make it inaccurate-same as a clip on tuner. For this reason only I removed them.

[@literalghost929]

How long does it take you to tune?

[@vkelly1975]

Same here I got them whit my 2015 sg standard,I left mine on and do find them good but I wouldn’t recommend on every guitar now I’ll have nightmares tonight that all my guitars will have these g tuners on lol 😂

[@EthanHora-m9q]

Great video man. When I was watching you tune up the low E string I thought "What if he just did dive bombs with tuners" lol

[@fat_ninja_status]

That moment you show something it's worthless, and it just un alives itself, lol

[@liamcoleman6503]

when you first played that neck pickup clean before the change it sounded beautiful

[@carlsheperd2471]

Same thing happened to me. Welcome back Grovers!!

[@savagesooner4891]

Being illiterate and ignorant can have that effect.

[@triplej8666]

@@savagesooner4891 keep dck riding a trash company who scams their customers for crappy built guitars with broken headstocks

[@LarsonGuitarPlayer]

I was thinking of buying one until I read the rewievs. It would be great to have a guitar that you could go to different tunings with the push of a button.

[@xxdr34m5xx_4]

I had them on my 60s tribute Gibson SG, I switched them for original vintage tuners... I'll never go back 😂

[@truthinesssss]

I’ve been using the robo-tuners for manny years now they are extremely underrated. Best money I’ve ever spent.

[@ArinKambitsis]

Did it tune that low E up a whole octave?

[@100DollarHeadache]

The robo tuners took that string up an octave and a diminished fifth - from the E2 it should be to Bb3.

[@rollieprevoo4435]

i use them for years now, and I have them on 3 of my guitars. never had an issue. always work perfect as you can expect from German engineering. when there is an issue they have a very good customer service. when I saw this I thought first read the manual.

[@markusaurelius777]

LMAO...Useless

[@JimDewdGuitars]

The audible gasp I made when I saw the crack! Those tuners are pure evil!

[@hellooutsiders6865]

It's crazy how much tension those little motors hold.

[@rudweller]

When the automatic tuning came out, I knew right away it was a gimmick and hazardous to Gibson health.

[@asharpbflat7179]

They were a perfect example for human ignorance and stupidity. Such a great invention. Love mine :)

[@BataraKado]

finally a good tyler video, he still got it..

[@Imajica69]

Probably an idea floated to Gibson by a Grover employee to up their sales for tuners that year.

[@stevegardiner8473]

Ive used them. The restringing is a bit of a pain but, its an amazing tool ONCE YOU KNOW HOW TO USE IT. You can still manual tune if you feel you need to but, you WILL break it, if you manual tune while it's switched on!

[@dominicijavier1575]

omg don't do it to that beautiful guitar!

[@theshadowknows6969]

Man. That crack was audible. It hurt my teeth! Also, that is why I haven’t bought a Gibson yet. I’m so damn scared of those headstocks.

[@rskirk22]

Les Pauls have issues with cracked headstocks and necks from their inherent design. I cannot imagine trusting these auto tuners to not exasperate the issue.

[@thefishbowlstudio]

Oh this video came about just in time , I was just about to buy these tuners thinking how bad could it be?. Thanks for sacrificing your guitar so we don't have to. Timing was impeccable

[@Peron1-MC]

i saw a commenter mentioning that the guitars that did come with these had special nuts and some even had a zero fret. so i think you just have to be careful on wich guitar you put them on.

[@nicholasmortimer8704]

I have a les Paul hp. My robot tuners have never failed me and I can use alternate tunings in a pinch. You have to use it a while to get used to it. That's everyone problem

[@Charles-Darwin]

p90s just smoke with badassery. I always will want for a TV yellow special

[@joshplant]

at 7:44 there seems to a be line on the headstock BEFORE the tuning and the cracking sound, that wasn't there previously in the video. Am I the only one who's noticed this? Now, this could be down to editing, where they've put a cut in from after the crak happened, but it seems very odd to me

[@mastromattei100]

Noticed that too lol and the cracking sound added in post

[@rodrigofalcao8858]

I have two 2015 LPs (a Studio and a Deluxe) with Robot tuners and they both work fine. Still there is a learning curve on how to get used and get the best out of it. Howhever never tried them in an extremely loud environement to check if that may affect the tunning. And yes, both guitars have titanium nuts.

[@hunterbrock2347]

Thank God I finally got a buyer on my 2015 SG about a month before this video dropped. Now sure how much this has to bear on your finish cracking but the neck profile on my old guitar was thin but very very wide.

[@MadSteexProduction]

Maybe was one of the first batch, I had in my Gibson les Paul Dusk Tiger and was different, all integrated in guitar with the rotary knob to power it, and was brilliant, never had any problem. Of course you cannot pretend to tune the guitar from zero, so from zero tension, but from out of tune and from one tuning style to the other was great! so from Open G to standard E, or Standard D, was brilliant and fast.

[@flammable-guitarist]

i feel the pain 8:36 i didn't use this but my Epiphone guitar neck cracked the same way and i haven't gotten it fixed because no one sells replacement necks for a Epiphone lesppaul studio lt in black

[@kennethcohagen3539]

I have a Gibson SG 2013 Futura that I bought on clearance in 2016. When I got it the original battery had a bulge in it. I call MF and they sent me to Gibson. I sent them an email and they shipped a good one out in 2 days. Along the way Tronical sent me an email and I replied telling them that one was being sent from Gibson. They sent one as well. The things I like is the ease of tuning after the strings have stretched out. What I don’t like is the difficult process of changing strings.

[@greyguy69]

Forgive me bro, I could not stop laughing when that E string tuned way high. You were telling it to stop. LOL. Tuners from hell.

[@tomasnitkowski6608]

Dude, I think those early devices used on Gibson were somewhat improved later on. I am using Tronical Tune on my Strat since 2020 and I love it. Particularly when you need to change tuning between the songs to for instance drop D. Also it adjust immediate even if guitar is way out of tune, not at all like you struggled to do it.

[@hawedehre]

I have nothing negative to say about my guitars with robo tuners. I am a keyboard player and can RTFM and press buttons. Works best in single note mode for me. I only used it in standard tuning and string change is a bit more effort.

[@mmiller6873]

Ouch. I felt your pain.

[@HankHopeless]

Oh I dunno... I've had these tuners on my Epiphone Nighthawk for more than 10 years, and never had any trouble with them or my Epiphone. They just work !

[@velutumbra]

Gibson quality fully demonstrated!

[@prestooooo12]

gotta be honest, the scar looks metal as fuck

[@starman69]

The ending was great

[@deanmccaskill5495]

First Phil McKnight vid I ever watched was him smashing these with a hammer. He took it down since.