I Tried The New Logitech Keyboard... (So You Don't Have To.)

The Logitech Pro X 60 just might be the Best WORST gaming keyboard of 2024. I'm not sure how Logitech managed to make this bad of a mechanical keyboard...
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[@HipyoTech]

Check Out My New Keyboard Marketplace Boardwalk! (Giveaway on here) district.net/boardwalk?referral=HIPYO (Also somehow the soundtest got cut from this video by my editor and I didn't realize it? but trust me on this one you didn't want to hear it.)

[@tikitopia]

Feeling kind'a sorry for Logi as I do appreciate them for some of their product offerings, but after watching this video and not being able to come up in my head with one single argument to contest any of the reasoning being exposed here, it is even more painful. You're undoubtedly right in sharing your frustration and disappointment, especially after having spent $180 US plus tax for this. And then the claims; and then the press release; and then the PRO part; and then the inability to mod it; and then... oh boy. Please tell me you did not pay for this out of your own pocket. Informative video and entertaining as always. Luv 🥰

[@HipyoTech]

@@tikitopia hahaha with paying an editor this is one of the more expensive vids I've ever made!

[@goggy6969]

pls try the alula f75

[@stevenajack]

Hey Hipyo, sadly I see on Boardwalk there is no UK shipping option or even any sellers that ship to the ROW region, sad times 😞

[@HipyoTech]

@@stevenajack yeah 😭 gotta get EU and UK approval on things so it will be a few months

[@Gungybung]

Designed with prose? Sorry I like my keyboards designed with poetry.

[@ironjavelin7482]

Must be a collaboration with microprose before they closed down 🤣

[@concinnus]

@@ironjavelin7482 Nah, since it's a kb, it'd have to be MacroProse.

[@AceGaimz]

"Big companies make the worst crap" -DankPods

[@Billy_The_Frog]

Amen

[@RemedieX]

They somehow make both the best and worst crap. Because their mice are on the top and ngl, some of them deserve it, but this keyboard and some of others? The WORST OF THE WORST for the price

[@R-Tech]

unexpected Wade reference, nice

[@VoyivodaFTW1]

I read this in his voice LMAOOOO

[@KASHAMV]

The Kendrick reference caught me off guard

[@theburgundynetwork3432]

That was my favorite part of the video lmao. Unexpected but appreciated.

[@lleytonplaysvideogames]

same lmaoooo

[@happyspacefun3796]

Frfr

[@prescotthancock5907]

lmfao I came here just for that. I'm dyingg

[@Linkman8912]

17:19 "what the *board* meetings were like" such a good pun right there

[@HipyoTech]

Years of training led up to this moment

[@mahirooyama9424]

@@HipyoTech”LED”

[@dalexa]

That was the key...

[@9684yami]

There are more blissful ignorant people out there than there are keyboard enthusiast. They see the Logitech badge, they see the word 'gaming', they'll gobble it up.

[@KiziKitty]

yeah, I was one of them few years ago, and now i have g810 that is a 200 usd paperweight cos 3 switches need replacing and they are soldered and can't even buy them from logitech (proprietary switches). Never again.

[@stanley909]

Sad but true.

[@eTiMaGo]

Honestly, until recently, that would have been me :D

[@Rikipaus]

but you know, in the end for absolutely normal population, casual gamers whatever, this is more than enough as keyboard :d and every other features that have diff keyboards better, its minor, and im not talking about this specific keyboard, but about your logitech badge comment, cuz mouses they are doing absolutely superb, probably best in the market, and some keyboards are also "okay"

[@Nateyo]

they also see the word "pro" and they're sold.

[@toastymctoastinson]

logitech just can’t make keyboards that don’t suck

[@HipyoTech]

2034 gonna have the sickest keyboard from logitech

[@rainbowcat415]

​@@HipyoTechLogi just simply a Pro of making a keyboard suck, just admit it.

[@DuskReptile2287]

@@HipyoTechwhat if the pros they got were all controller players

[@MrBonham]

I have a usb wireless Logitech keyboard that has a TouchPad and it works awesome for connecting to my TV. It is in no way customizable but suits the purpose

[@haomingli6175]

their membrane keyboards like the mx keys are good.

[@simondudek8721]

I just dont know what they were thinking, marketing remapping keys as a feature is crazy

[@maxmoch6044]

its the key feature of that board

[@ToyKeeper]

Perhaps Logitech's main mistake here was attempting to make a _keyboard._ Like, the kind people use for gaming and/or serious typing. What they excel at is making glorified television remotes, not daily workhorse keyboards.

[@slapp3r439]

gaming keyboards dont exist they just market normal keyboards with rgb and low form factor like the custom keyboard industry hasnt been doing this for years and tcustom accel at being a keyboard more than anything big companies will advertise

[@user-tb2uz5mu8l]

@@slapp3r439 this take held true before modern analog keyboards like the wooting became a thing

[@AvoidMyGost]

They used xqc as a model of reference for the pros

[@blinkx1070]

xQc was an eSports pro

[@ryboits75]

@@blinkx1070 Man is a pro at eating his own toenails

[@gentleman2292]

he was an overwatch 2 pro though

[@huutonauris]

@@gentleman2292 overwatch 2 😂

[@gentleman2292]

@@huutonauris i mean yeah its a bad game but he was pro at it

[@AlwaysBolttheBird]

For a company that makes my favorite mice it’s amazing that they can’t make at least a decent keyboard

[@Stackali]

thats why complete brand loyalty is dumb. some people feel the need to get every peripheral from one company, and they end up with probably half their stuff being overpriced junk and some stuff just overpriced for no reason but it has gaming or pro in its name.

[@strayiggytv]

Honestly they have no competition when it comes to mice. Some other company might be able to make better mice but none seem interested in trying. You have Logitech, the default mice that come with their respective brands and tons of nameless Chinese products. That's it

[@panvlk]

@@strayiggytv Tbh the "nameless chinese products" pretty much caught up with the big boys now when it comes to the mice. And they evolve much much faster than the dinosaurs like Logitech and Razer. Logitech released GPX2 with a big fanfare recently, and it's basically just a GPX1 copy with USB-C and 2000MHz polling rate. And they spent years making it. Brands like Lamzu, Pulsar, Vaxee and others are releasing tons of great mice frequently, around half the price, full of latest tech, 8000MHz sensors, optical switches and encoders, super light weight, hot swappable switches etc. Logitech is living off their past fame, but they aren't the inovators in the mouse market anymore either.

[@psionoblast5379]

I've had nothing but bad experiences with logitexh mice. My g305 and g903 both had double click. Somehow a used g502 i got off ebay still works but that's it

[@haomingli6175]

their membrane keyboards for office work are good. mx keys. also their keyboard cases for ipads have very good typing feel. have not tried their gaming keyboards though.

[@nicholasdenittis46]

HAHA: "I don't like it when my keyboard makes sounds when I'm not typing on it." This is literal self-sabotage on part of Logitech. This is enough to make me never want to buy a Logitech keyboard ever again.

[@LivingArmor196]

$180!? You could build two sick custom keyboards with this money.

[@b0mberr330]

You could get a wooting for that money

[@Shyvorix]

​@b0mberr330 Yep. And in the world of gaming keyboards, Wooting reigns king with very few remotely close competitors.

[@atomicskull6405]

You could buy a blank GMMK and a set of keyswitches and keycaps for less than that. Hell even a prebuilt GMMK costs $160 so what are they smoking?

[@atomicskull6405]

@@Shyvorix I agree on wooting performance but unfortunately non hot swappable keyboards are unusable to me because the only keyswicthes I find tolerable are Kailh pinks with jades on the larger keys. I grew up with IBM bucking springs so quiet / soft keytswitches are intolerable to me and even cherry and gateron tactile switches feel yucky. The kailh pink / jade is the closest mechanical switch I've found to a bucking spring.

[@Ice_2192]

What Logitech is for keyboard enthusiasts is what Bose is to audiophiles.

[@toseltreps1101]

i bought 2 Bose products in my lifetime, both convinced me to NEVER buy anything from that brand ever again

[@ToyKeeper]

I would trust Logitech to make the remote control for a Bose stereo... but I wouldn't want to _type_ on it.

[@kornar]

Beats.

[@slapp3r439]

@@kornar its crazy how apple puts their name on that garbage like it still amazes me why people still buy that garbage

[@ze_or]

​@@slapp3r439Beats and apple are actually fine for audio now. The best bang for buck? definitely not. But recent airpods are considered pretty good by many reputable reviewers.

[@omarhachicha8485]

after watching this i would say if you are buying this you are probably a gamer , so i would suggest just get a wooting for that price point !

[@JpGuidi]

Same, I have plenty of customs, nothing games competitively like my 60he and as a huuuge plus you can actually customize it all the way, and wooting themselves teach you how to do most of it

[@r00fus_d00fus]

Facts, purchased and returned my pro x 60 in favor of the wooting 60he+

[@jonathansmith4737]

Best Hipyo video of 2024 so far, this keyboard screams $40 amazon special.

[@GoblinAlchemi]

That might be a bit generous considering the prebuilt Epomaker TH80 Pro is on sale for $45 rn. I'm very new to the hobby, but as someone who has been scouring Amazon very recently looking for the right budget board to start my custom journey with, it feels like we are actually starting to get solid budget offerings, especially when you factor in sales. This keyboard honestly gave the vibes of those unnamed, near-permanently marked down boards you see listed for $20-$30

[@Maite-AileenBrandt]

Oh, damn … in Germany, it is even more like $215 (currency converted) … ahhhh … rip. That really hurts to see.

[@Yaarek]

Own mx mechanical and I am surprised that pro x 60 is such downgrade. If someone only considers logitech keyboards, just go with mx. It is little bit cheaper, full size, does not rattle and upper part of case is metal.

[@CitAllHearItAll]

I use the MX mechanical TKL. And it’s fantastic. I was using an Anne Pro 2 before, and I that thing feels awful in comparison.

[@sinom]

First pro of this keyboard: It's available in non american layouts. It's got way better latency than Keychron's keyboards do So there is a reason to get it over others, even over keychrons.

[@HipyoTech]

Latency is an argument I see brought up a lot, but in practice most keyboards have an acceptable latency for the majority of gamers and most people won't tell the difference

[@haomingli6175]

@@HipyoTech pro gaming gear has been chasing latency beyond human perception and performance for a long time. optical switches on keyboards and mice exist just for this reason. also they have longer lifespan because there is no mechanical contact and abrasion.

[@sarpp69]

if your focus is gaming, you get a wooting and not this trash.​@@haomingli6175

[@SudoYETI]

I have Logitech G613 lightspeed and I have a RK84PRO. I cannot tell the difference between either and I'm playing Apex Legends with them. Granted I prefer my Wooting 60HE for Apex for Super Glides but the difference in latency is not noticeable unless I swap to BT. I've been able to pull off Super Glides with both. If you HATE Keychron there are plenty of other options like Nuphy and Lofree.

[@ze_or]

keychron is also available in non american layouts.

[@eerolz8758]

The infinite scrollwheel of 502 is something I couldn't live without, hopefully mine will survive until their patent expires because Logitech only has like 3 options with it. Need more competition to choose from!

[@blinkx1070]

I don't understand. Several other mice have this feature. Like my Razer Basilisk v3

[@ze_or]

Keychron m6 that came out somewhat recently has it. Logitech has been officially dead to me since getting one. Multiply g502 and mx master, reduce to weight to 80 grams and sell it for $50. That's what the keychron m6 is.

[@eerolz8758]

@@ze_or Nice, although not sure if I could make do without the macro buttons of 502. But that does indeed have the mechanical button for it, wonder how they're getting around the patent. Since from my understanding the patent is still active for few years. (to the end of 2026 I believe)

[@hanley6478]

​@@ze_or I own both G502X and Keychron m6. m6 is nice and light but the software is awful, you can't change profile without opening the software, there is no button to change profile on the mouse. Beside that m6 have fewer keys than G502 that didn't help because there is no layers (or the equivalent of G-shift) on m6. The scrollwheel unlock button on m6 is really nice though due to the short travel distant, I never unlock the wheel on G502 because the button is hard to press.

[@ze_or]

@@hanley6478 I usually don't change my mouse bindings and just rebind forward/back on the app i'm using instead, so I can't really relate personally, but I see where you are coming from. Would've been really cool if keychron mouse could come with vial or something.

[@robster7787]

I am looking forward to these keyboards when they eventually go on Sale. Back in 2022 I bought a G Pro Keyboard for $20 at target. Those normally go for $120, so I expect these to go on sale at some point for similar prices, because at $40, its probably worth it.

[@8bitsloth]

They saw a Newman keyboard and went, "I bet we can take that $25 China keyboard with a metal baseplate, make it completely out of plastic, and charge nearly 700% more for it."

[@marcoang8359]

Hi Hipyo! What was that other keyboard at half the price of the G60? Also, cool headphones, what headphones are you using?

[@shonen84]

Loving the Focal Bathys cans. Got them too, they’re awesome

[@asilva5021]

The kendrick lamar verse cutaway was great lmao. Fun fact, kendrick lamar's disses are copyright free

[@ashvander7864]

i would LOVE a video on your mouse! my partner has been looking for a new mouse and yours looks really awesome so i'd love to learn more about why you love it!

[@manceirvin7068]

When Hipyo uploads it’s a good day fr🔥🔥🔥

[@escapeee]

Now we just need streams....

[@Laughingcoyote1213]

Such a shame. I loved their G915 TKL keyboard so was expecting more. I def wanna see you react to their build video though 😂.

[@frytas93]

I had Logitech g413 with tactile switches and there also bump was absent. In topic of gaming keyboard do you plan review new Keychron Q1 HE?

[@gucky4717]

For that pricerange, just buy a Wooting HE60...

[@Kianfox]

gamers who chase lightweight mice HATE the 502, so I would love to see you drop a review on it. It would be nice to hear some opinions from someone who doesn't play games hyper-competitively

[@IAmTakoP]

I think, If you don’t yeet the mouse to do a flick shot. That extra weight effect nothing.

[@Kianfox]

@@IAmTakoP i personally use a gpro superlight and im considering getting a g502 strictly cause i think more buttons would be better than less weight at this point. A light mouse is great but having to take my left hand off wasd is definitely more detrimental than a few grams

[@IAmTakoP]

@@Kianfox i used to have g502 wire, it hurt my wrist playing apex 😂. My mate seems to be doing fine though. Maybe just preference thing

[@Kianfox]

@@IAmTakoP Definitely agree!

[@Billy_The_Frog]

@@IAmTakoP Higher dpi, smoother mouse feet, or a faster mousepad might help to counteract the weight a little.

[@Teh-Penguin]

Kinda weird that after making the G915, they make this. The G915 is overall a solid keyboard.

[@AbiPrasad]

You have never tried a real keyboard then lol

[@abdelilhmanflores]

True I’ve had my 915 for 5 years now and it’s still doing a good job. If I ever buy another keyboard it might be the Rainy75

[@Teh-Penguin]

@@AbiPrasad sorry, mine are all out of ginger bread

[@2kflashgod]

​@@AbiPrasaddude the g915 has the best flat keys i have ever felt or seen, thats due to the thin switches they have and the body us full aluminum, the mechanics of it feel amazing thats honestly their only solid keyboard

[@chantimothy]

5:59 that shitty trombone with the blurred logitech footage had me dying lol

[@nwojdak]

A few months ago I bought a CoolerMaster SK622 60% keyboard, as I wanted to have a teeny mechanical keyboard to bring along to LAN parties and such. Considering I just needed WASD+Space for 90% of the games I played, it's done the job quite nice. While I was watching this video, I was comparing the Logitech to my CoolerMaster, and the only thing I envied was the carrying case and the volume slider on the side. Everything else was leaps and bounds better than the Logitech, and my CoolerMaster only cost $90 USD (But I got it on sale for $59)

[@HateHater2205]

Epic video, its cool seeing how far Hipyo has come. Would love to see more Steelseries next!

[@Aezetyr]

6:04 YES. We seek cringe.

[@guessit5036]

I think the last time Logitech ever tried to innovate in any field was when Spartacus led a slave uprising against a Roman Empire.

[@unlucky1307]

They called it "pro" to charge an extra $80-90 MSRP beyond what they could have sold it at with their brand name and the features it had alone.

[@johnperish]

When the Yunzi AL series exists for under 100 dollars, there really is no excuse for 180 dollar keyboards to be plastic e-waste. Lmao, just got to the part of the video where you bust out the AL71. 😂

[@davidnotonstinnett]

The issue with a big company doing mechanical keyboards that are good enough for enthusiast is repair/replacement costs. The “standard” hot swap system is great, but it is something that is hard to “automate” to mass produce and they are prone to ma factoring errors where the socket is not 100% aligned and so they pop off when the user installs a switch….meaning they face a choice to either have a generous refund policy or to have angry customers. It just makes sense to try to come up with a “new and innovative” switch system. What I’m getting at…they just won’t be able to make something that is cheap enough to hit the “mass market” represented by people who want a good keyboard for gaming but has the quality expected by a keyboard enthusiast.

[@HipyoTech]

That plays a role, but in reality they just want to maintain their obscene margins and play it safe with what has historically worked really well.

[@Tendee]

⁠@@HipyoTechYeah, for example Polar65, drunkdeer a75 pro, and Boog75 are all hotswap and much better quality than this, along with hall effect switches which are infinitely better for gaming.

[@strayiggytv]

​@@Tendeethose are all Chinese brands which probably pay their workers even less that Logitech pays their Chinese workers. So many of the rando Chinese keyboard brands are able to be very nimble in their home market and get good deals on parts. It's why when they make a key board everyone loves half the time it sells out and they never make it exactly the same way again.

[@Tendee]

@@strayiggytv The different batches of the zoom75 are still just as good though?

[@strayiggytv]

@@Tendee i mean I assume they are. Only way to know would be to open them up and see what the quality is in the inside.

[@l-dog]

As someone who's worked at a company that has become more and more corporate over time, I can definitely say that big corporate companies have a really hard time meeting enthusiasts where they are. They can't really wrap their corporate mainstream brains and processes around super niche wants and needs because everything kind of has to fit into their top-down approval process. And a lot of the times, most of the people making the decisions are people who are focused more on numbers and their own personal preferences than what the target audience actually wants, which is sad.

[@ichorosu3550]

I have a question I have a logitech keyboard (not the one i am typing with) it might have had something heavy on it while transorting and now when i press a key it presses like 10 different keys at once. Especially the caps lock is the hardware destroyed or is this something i can fix?

[@JustAFan444]

I'm still trying to figure out why you would even put removable switches on the board if you can't actually pick your own switches to put in it. Just don't even make it a feature in the first place. It's like they just put together a list of features that are popular in keyboards and implemented them without actually talking to anyone who would want those features or even understanding WHY people like them. Wireless: check 60%: check Optical switches: check RGB: check Removable switches: check

[@musicman24X]

Removable lets you replace them if they break, at least

[@JustAFan444]

@musicman24X true, but I don't think that was the thought here... It was "Corsair, Asus, and Razer all have hot swap, we have to as well!" There's almost zero reason to include it in the way that they did unless they flat out didn't understand why people want that feature.

[@karkovb1522]

I remember people saying Logitech boards and custom keycaps didn't fit well for the bottom rows, because of their proprietary layout. Then them having a proprietary switch sockets isn't really that surprising to me.

[@RightInfinity]

Where do you find the keycaps at 16:04?

[@DIDISCH68]

2:23 You pay $19 for the keyboard and an additional fee of $160 for the Logitech brand

[@ThatOneCubeCollector]

fried chicken (MAKE THIS THE MOST LIKED COMMENT) 👇 👇

[@Kobi-tx9yq]

no

[@ThatOneCubeCollector]

@@Kobi-tx9yq how dare u.

[@HipyoTech]

nah

[@ZanyCat]

"They say that it's terrible, but none of them have actually tried it." Isn't that just a normal day on Twitter?

[@marvlouslie2053]

Razer was making 60% keyboards while Logitech was THINKING about it. Hell, the 3rd party keyboard market was doing this a couple of years before RAZER decided to jump on the the 60% hype train. Talk about being late to the party.

[@mightyboessu]

You know: I threw away last week a Logitech G815 because the return keycap broke, and the small plastic pieces ruined the switch, which can't be replaced. Now I have a Keychron V6 (ISO, CH layout. Other options are a bit limited that way if you need that layout for professional reasons). It is cheaper than a new G815, fully customizable, and has a way better typing experience than any other Logitech keyboard I ever had. I personally even find the lighting effects a lot better than on the Logitech G keyboards. I'll never look back again.

[@RiceCubeTech]

Speaking of the wooting you should revisit it with the Hall Effect jades you can buy separately now. They sound incredible. You can literally also buy just the PCB and use your own switches for wooting, your own case, and everything. It’s standard 60 percent layout. There’s literally no reason not to run one now if you’re a keyboard enthusiast and a gamer. With the numerous HE switches that are now out, you can find one with a good sound signature, do all the class keeb mods you normally do, with relative ease. Plus their software is better than anything else rn. Literally nothing but wins.

[@zodiacfml]

I could think twice at $19. Issue is Logitech does not have manufacturing with the class/style of custom kb, only mass produced keyboards that are used everywhere but Logitech wants to price their best effort where custom keyboards are.

[@alsozoidberg]

Been saying for years that Logitech clearly has no respect for its customers. Serving up a product like that at that price kind of proves my point. Hope Logitech can find the good taste to at least be embarrassed.

[@xBrokenMirror2010x]

The Razer Basilisk also has the infinite scroll wheel. It also has a better center of mass, and Razer's Software isn't Ghub, because Ghub is the worst driver software I've ever used, especially compared to the thing it replaced, LGS. When Logitech replaced LGS with Ghub, I basically tossed all of my logitech peripherals. Also side-note, as someone who would have been considered a "Pro Player" at one point, Pro gamers know how to play the game genre they're good at. They do not know anything about game design, or product design, or engineering, and asking them to design a mouse/keyboard/game will naturally end in disaster.

[@zxcghoul]

GHub is OK rn, really good software after multiple updates. but razer software maked me go crazy because it so shitty designed for like win8 or something like that, and also it very laggy for me, so i sold my razer mouse 💀

[@Makalon102]

@@zxcghoul but why are you using windows 8 in 2024 its like 10 years old at this point

[@zxcghoul]

@@Makalon102 im on win11. Im bad at speaking english, so i paraphrase. Razer software design looks like like it has been maked to match win8 design

[@atomicskull6405]

Not understanding why you wouldn't just buy a GMMK and a set of your preferred switches and make the perfect personalized mechanical keyboard.

[@zerog456]

How do you feel about nuphy prebuilt? I pre ordered the halo96 v2 as I do enjoy a number pad lol.

[@ReclaimerTyphoon]

Any keyboard that isn't an linear, optical switch setup is a waste of time. Ultimate smoothness, zero debounce delay, lowest effort (for a stock keyboard)... it just feels good to type on for hours at time, and it's, of course, great for gaming, too. I absolutely can't go back to a "mechanical" keyboard. You can't make me.

[@serenity1378]

Literally the reason I'm always buying logitech keyboards is because the Unifying and Bolt/Lightspeed/whatever new thing they're doing has been the most reliable wireless I've ever found, and I learned how to type on laptop keyboards so full profile keys make me mess up more and I got used to a lowprofile logitech. I've never been impressed by the quality of the actual keyboards. Which is fine when that keyboard is a slightly overpriced rubber dome thing. Not fine when it's a massively overpriced "premium" experience. I get all my (non-mouse) logitech gear second hand now. Because half of what they demand is about as much as it's actually worth.

[@KevinEF]

I rest my pinky on the left side of my board, I have worn the edge of my e-white board...

[@oddball_the_blue]

That reminds me - Has Hipyo tried the Coolermaster Masterkey keyboards yet? Had a secondhand one for a few years now - I've modded it to have a USB-C cable and now I've moved over to using Keycron keycaps... and I wish I'd moved over to the keycron much MUCH sooner. They feel so much nicer, sound better (they've killed the 'ping' it used to have completely). That and I'm enjoying how much closer the tops of the keycaps are. But - all of this was done for about a quarter the price of the Logitech (it even has macro settings).

[@OceanBagel]

Imagine making a premium gaming keyboard and not even putting arrow keys on it

[@AceSox]

Razer has some mice with the infinite scroll now too. Just thought I'd leave that here for anyone that wants options lol. (It's a little different not being on a bearing but using some fero fluid tech instead, but it feels and functions similar enough)

[@davidscottsackett]

Funny that the sample photo of a college is where I'm literally working right now - but in a different building. Davidson College.

[@JohnGotts]

Professional typist here, aka a programmer since the 1980's. Logitech keyboards are excellent, and of the dozens of keyboards I've used over the years, every generation has a Logitech keyboard that I prefer. My current favorite is a K400+, and I have an identical replacement for when that dies I bought for $9 at an Amazon bin store. Yep, I used IBM mechanical keyboards when I was a little kid. Hate 'em. For most programmers with many years in the field a silent no frills keyboard is ideal because in its genericness you can go over to your laptop and change nothing. Then to your tablet with its keyboard. Sameness, predictability, and no change of feel is what pros want. Also the least amount of pressure that works. 40 years of touch typing is hard on your hands, and my muscles can get sore. You can crave a keyboard that costs more than $100 but you're paying more money for something worse, maybe without realizing it.

[@baronvonderg]

As someone who bought the G910 tkl wireless - and loved it - having since then delved deeper into the custom keybaord era and areas - I have seen the glaring disparity on quality that logitech has taken. The rattley keycaps - when I got it i was placebo'd into it because of the price I was paying and the combo that I got. I have since moved on from it (which i feel really ashamed to admit because I did love the keyboard initially, the low profile keys, wireless that never failed and the layout and tactile style of it) and then - Ive found myself ive bought 4 boards since, a mix of custom and prebuilt with different styles etc (switches, build material etc) PS - wish I had kept my previous boards for your Boardwalk - traded them into my local cash converters cus i needed stuff to fund - oh well there go the Steelseries and Corsair keyboards I had laying around as 'spares' hehheh..ahhaah...hahaha...spares....keybaords...hahahah

[@xdt422]

Whats the keyboard with the metal case that was compared?

[@DragoNate]

anything "gaming" increases the price automatically 75%. adding "pro" increases it another 50%. wireless is +10%. this keyboard should only really be like $50.

[@bashkillszombies]

I'm still waiting for companies to make a silent / broadcast keyboard. It's been twenty years since anyone last made one, they SAY they do, but they're bloody loud.

[@ICountFrom0]

I don't understand any "gaming keyboard" that has keys, that I use, while gaming, cut off of the keyboard. Don't sell me 60% for 200% of the price. I want 200% or 300% keyboards. IBM Space keyboards with 15 versions of the ALT key, and F keys up to the MOON.

[@kevinfortier8452]

Logitech is famous for making false marketing claims and never really get penalized for it. I have blacklisted buying any Logitech products ever since the webcam fake pics and claims. Spend your hard earned money on products that push the industry to new highs and offer better value.

[@GojiWanGaming]

Ngl, review was worth the wait 😁 Popcorn's been on stand-by for a bit 🤣

[@LiveType]

Your overall conclusion of "just buy a wooting board" is correct. Performance is actually a little worse overall, but the analog keys are a game changer for sweaty gaming which ends up mattering more than the raw performance.

[@butterscotchpanda]

Man congrats to Hipyo for somehow managing to extend this colossal nothingburger into a 20 minute video.

[@Eutrofication]

honestly, i think "designed for pros" is such a generic claim that anyone with common sense would realize means nothing; it doesn't really set any longer of expectation

[@Wdm.S4M]

Hi hipyo i pre ordered the wooting 80he when it comes out can you pls make a review on it

[@ADreamingTraveler]

HOW is this $180 when the HyperX 65% keyboard is $110 less and is not only better but has a full aluminum body on top of that? Even the HyperX ones give you a keycap puller. Absolute madness.

[@vigorgaming8]

I remember when logitech was about quality and more budget friendly products, they are the opposite now

[@Beautifulbrokenmusic]

So the really cool thing about Logitech software, is that the new control panel doesn't support older devices, which means you need to have the old Logitech control panel installed for those devices. Sounds like a minor inconvenience? Well, you can't have both installed at the same time. You get to choose either the newer devices, *or* the old ones. So if you have an old racing wheel and a new mouse, you're SOL.

[@Wooyi]

Love how far mech keyboards and pre builts have come since this channel but come on Logitech

[@nomore6167]

"Why do they call this thing... pro?" - That's easy. Because Logitech, like Apple, has a bunch of fanbois who will buy anything they make, so they jacked up the price on a $30 keyboard and named it "PROFIT", imagining all of the money that would be rolling in. However, someone thought that was a little TOO on the nose, so they shortened it to just "PRO".

[@thehorsefromGOTs8]

I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on the g502 and the g502x redesign

[@maplestory7940]

The problem with big companies like Logitech is that the team working behind these products has a limited budget, have to meet tight deadlines and most importantly, have to make a product that will make more profit than the last quarter. How do they keep doing that? By scamming everyone. Smaller companies have more freedom, with fund raising you could have a really good budget to work with, provided you are giving people what they want, and the teams behind smaller companies don't have their hands tied. That said, I'm not defending Logitech or any big companies, they are a disgrace, despite having some great products like you said, for me it's the superlight 2, very good build quality and performance for its weight. It's 2024 and big companies using their brand/past reputation to scam consumers is nothing new, people just need to be smart about buying something to avoid the scams, and honest reviewers are a blessing to everyone.

[@shadowxthevampiressofficial]

I was born in 2002 & I've always known Logitech as a controller company. For whatever reason they decided to trash their iconic logo & copycat Google's logo. As for the key count, I don't like it. Sure it makes the keyboard less intrusive, but that's what controllers are for. If I'm going to game with a keyboard & mouse I want the maximum amount of keys so I have more keys to map. Minimizing the number of keys also limits other stuff. On top of that, a lack of F keys is a problem for Minecraft.

[@aserta]

Would like to point out that the keyboard case is cheap trash that you can buy premade with customized logos for about 1000 buckaroonies for 100 pieces or there about. You essentially start with a flat sandwich that gets heat formed, to which then they either glue or use a shoe type sewing machine to sew on the zipper. The whole op is less than 5 minutes per case and can be done with stuff you have at home you so desire.

[@cirusMEDIA]

ALL of their mechanical keyboards suck balls and are way too sensitive to dust. I find myself having to slam down on my (fake) brown switches just to register a keystroke. I regret buying this stupid Logitec eWaste!

[@misterfunk1973]

What keyboard did you bring in at 15:30? Love the sound of that one :)

[@genano504]

Im interested in that one as well

[@adxo]

i need to know as well

[@thedirtypaw]

Yunzii/Womier Sk71 check out his vid on it!

[@trollerbladdering]

This keyboard was designed with pro solitaire players who exclusively play on windows 95. The other Pros in the video marketing were just paid to say "nice thing" on camera.

[@zackphy]

The g502 x plus lightspeed is my favorite mouse of all time, which of course it is because the g502 x and normal g502 were my favs b4 it. It makes playing games that require tons of keys like Destiny 2 SOOO much better. That infinite scroll wheel is great as well.

[@TheMagnumload]

I returned my G502X Plus, absolute downgrade from the OG G 502 LS. Switches were awful sounding very hollow and the pinging was on another level, palm grippers will hate it because they didn't bother to taper the sharp angles where your palm sits and the scroll wheel is worse. On one hand, it is noticeably lighter I just bought another g502lightspeed instead. It'll last another 5 years, hopefully Logi will come back with something good by then. Been using their mice since G5 days.

[@qLego_]

What mouse do you use

[@MultiChrisjohnson]

did you review the aulfa f75? cant find it on the channel

[@dronzer115]

Hipyo! Can you please make a video on rating foldable keyboards, good mechanical keyboards to travel with and traveling cases?

[@hill2hell]

Just the the trend with single keycaps here's the real price breakdown. $29 for the keyboard $5 for the usb cable $20 for the box $125.99 for the logitech esc keycap. Logitech hasn't made anything great since the G502, if ever the made anything good it's around 5-6x more expensive that it has any right to be.

[@sinnerairsoft8487]

The market sounds like a really good idea, is it ever going to extend all the way to SEA and OCE region, or are you going to keep it local ?

[@moltenbullet]

Honestly with the money Logitech has, I can't believe they haven't just straight up acquired a mechanical keyboard brand that people in the hobby already enjoy using and can be built to a higher standard.

[@Syphe07]

Will you be reviewing the 80HE from wooting when it comes out?

[@aaron_333]

What was the 2nd keyboard that you showed Josie? It looks like a Monsgeek with 2 columns of navigation keys.

[@joncross8483]

Even hipyo is in on the drake dissing

[@karkovb1522]

Proprietary switch sockets? yikes, no thanks

[@TriPBOOMER]

Appreciate the feed back on this one, as a Logitech fanboy I know to stay away from the ''Pro'' X 60, both my sons use G915 tkl's, and I have a G710+, Although I feel this thing is still here mainly for nostalgic reason 🤣🤣 great vid Hipyo

[@TurboLoveTrain]

The Infinite Scroll wheel is why I got the G500, the G502 improved the infinite scroll as well as the tilt actuators which is why I will use it until it falls apart. HE is butter.

[@phigu198]

This reminds me of my current keyboard of the last six years or so, the Logitech Orion G610. I always liked the black and white colour scheme and the white lights as well as the sound scroll, which I believe is a early implementation of the know. The caps are wobbly, the space bar is just horrendous and it's all fairly loud and I don't know I could mod it safely. It doesn't seem like they learned at all from the G610. I am going to probably just pick up the Montech MKey and call it a day.

[@ChrisB5_]

I've tried optical switches and currently use them on my daily driver (Hunstman Tournament Edition), but they took so much getting used to. Took me a few months to really get used to the actuation points especially since it actuates BEFORE the click... it doesn't have the same forced feedback as your standard set. However I think some of these companies are marketing optical as 'gamer' due to how highly sensitive they can end up being, and that is such a bad reason to give it the 'gamer' tag. It kind of makes the keyboard harder to really use (esp if you need to smash a key) until you get used to the very sensitive and rather high actuation point (it's way further up then you'd think so spamming the key like a normal switch does nothing as it thinks you've still depressed the key). I can only assume this has similar flaws, and pair that with the price tag and cheap materials? Yikes.... I think mine was closer to $80 at the time. I can see why everyone is calling it a scam. Logitech really messed up here. Not to mention proprietary switches for that cost? Insane.

[@SaintsPurgatory]

Throw in the rgb as it seems that's all you need for a 'gamer' keyboard.