I Tried To Beat Martin By Copying His Moves

[@roblodocus2539]

Imagine if chess.com kept statistics of bot games, and the analyst trying to understand what on earth was happening here haha.

[@ChessVibesOfficial]

😂

[@budimanmh8994]

Copy cat only the piece move. Ex. Bishop means any bishop is fine. Pawns knight and rook also the same.

[@FedeS2000]

Good idea, means that if he remains with king only is a draw hahahha. So you have to keep some pieces in game

[@FedeS2000]

I did wrong, could be some discovered check...

[@FedeS2000]

Checkmate*

[@lakymos3124]

I disagree with both of you

[@Shadowwand]

The brillianc with that is if you capture say both his knights, then you've also locked out your knights, since Martin doesn't have that piece to play

[@ItIsYouAreNotYour]

Do the same challenge, but you just have to move a corresponding piece. He has too much of an advantage if he trades.

[@nanowasabi4421]

And if this is too easy, he can go against a slightly stronger bot. Although, we would lose the Martin memes.

[@reubenmanzo2054]

I was thinking of how you're supposed to keep track of which piece needs to move. With a pawn, it's relatively simple, same file. Same with bishop, opposite colour square. But how do you do this with a knight or a rook? What about if a pawn promotes and you have a 2nd queen, shouldn't you be able to choose which queen to move?

[@ItIsYouAreNotYour]

@@reubenmanzo2054 Corresponding piece, just meaning if he moves a horse, you have to move a horse. So at minimum, you need to trade when he does. The thing is, Martin is insanely bad and often misses the obvious move, and I think he's giving him too much respect despite the challenge. He should just go all out, haha. Forgetting the mindset of a high player.

[@ItIsYouAreNotYour]

My theory is correct. Play just as bad as Martin and you can win his original challenge. I won it on my 2nd try. I don't know if this will get me removed because of spam, but here is the game PGN [Event "?"] [Site "?"] [Date "????.??.??"] [Round "?"] [White "?"] [Black "?"] [Result "0-1"] 1. Nc3 Nc6 2. e4 e5 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. d4 d5 5. dxe5 dxe4 6. exf6 exf3 7. Bc4 Bc5 8. Kf1 Kf8 9. h4 h5 10. Bg5 Bd4 11. a4 a5 12. Qxf3 Qxf6 13. Re1 Ra6 14. Qe4 Qxf2# 0-1 FEN: 2b2k1r/1pp2pp1/r1n5/p5Bp/P1BbQ2P/2N5/1PP2qP1/4RK1R EDIT: Unfortunately, I think I failed. I moved the wrong bishop color...or did I?

[@Hnxzxvr]

It’s Martin it can’t be easy that’s like saying you have to remove a queen from a 100 because you guys are play atomic chess and he has an advantage!

[@n8style]

the rules are way too strict as is, how about if you can move the same *type* of pawn/piece rather than the *exact* pawn/piece?

[@nothaman1345]

That’s still so easy

[@reubenmanzo2054]

I was thinking of how you're supposed to keep track of which piece needs to move. With a pawn, it's relatively simple, same file. Same with bishop, opposite colour square. But how do you do this with a knight or a rook? What about if a pawn promotes and you have a 2nd queen, shouldn't you be able to choose which queen to move?

[@freezer8530]

I believe with best play on both sides and even loosening the restriction to have black just moving the same type of piece that white moved, white would win on its third move. White opens up with [1. Nc3 ...], meaning that black must move either one of its knights on its first move. If Black responds by moving its queen's knight (either [1. ... Nc6] or [1. ... Na6]), then white continues with [2. Ne4 ...] followed by [3. Nd6+ ...] and black cannot execute any knight move to get out of that check. If instead, black responds with [1. ... Nf3] (to prevent [2. Ne4 ...]), then white plays [2. Nb5 ...] threatening both [3. Nd6+ ...] and [3. Nxc7+ ...], and black cannot deal with both threats simultaneously. Finally, if black responds with [1. ... Nh3], white then plays [2. Ne4 ...] threatening both [3. Nd6+ ...] and [3. Nf6+ ...] and again, black cannot deal with both threats simultaneously.

[@reubenmanzo2054]

@@freezer8530 White plays Nc3, as you said. Black has to play Nc6, otherwise white plays either a3, f3 or h3, depending on what you did, and you lose because that pawn is blocked.

[@freezer8530]

@@reubenmanzo2054 When I suggested "loosening the restrictions ... ", what that meant was black could respond by moving (in this case) either one of its knights in response to white's opening knight move. If it is made too restrictive that black can respond to white opening queen's knight move with only its own queen's knight move (and not with its king's knight move), then it's way too easy to see that white would win anyway.

[@valvesofvalvino]

What can I say? Martin truly is a genius who uses superior tactics.

[@Thunder-54321]

New variant: Martin Random Chess The starting position is set up by Martin playing as and black mirroring his moves, until the mirrored move would be illegal for black to play. The players take over the game from this position, with black to play first.

[@a1clashnbrawl]

It's actually fun lol just try it

[@kieran101yes]

I tried this, the what-would've-been-an-illegal-move happened on the 12th move and I checkmated martin 9 moves later lol. It was pretty fun.

[@fabi77721]

blacks the lucky colour!

[@LPChip]

Here's another similar challenge: You mirror martin's every move the entire game until you can spot a mate in 5 or less. Then you have to prove that it indeed works (you no longer need to mirror Martin's moves), and if it turns out that you did not mate in 5 moves or less, martin automatically wins.

[@fabi77721]

what if it was mate in 5 and he stopped it IT'S NOT COPIED

[@FederalBurroOfInvestigation]

You should try using Martin's moves in a second tab with the game to beat himself, the same way as when you teamed up, but just him

[@takemebacktothen]

yeah that's like Martin vs Martin

[@finris1]

Tried it. It took 116 turns only to end in an unnecessary repetitive move stalemate. It was agonizing.

[@resiknoiro7506]

Here's an idea: Beat martin, but at no point are you allowed to have a material advantage. (standard pieve values)

[@sebastiandierks7919]

Castling is a king move. So when Martin played a stupid king move, like at 1:57, you should be allowed to castle. And later at 20:28, even though you couldn't castle through check, you didn't lose as you could have played a different king move.

[@lukabojic3536]

2:04 Cant you also castle short?

[@TCG-Collector77]

At 2:08 you also could've castled, bcs that's considered a king move

[@etopowertwon]

Do the same challenge but with relaxed rules on what counts the same piece. Move the same kind of piece: E.g. Martin moves pawn, move any of your pawn (maybe including promoted pawn: in crazyhouse when you capture promoted pawn, it counts as a pawn, not a piece). At least in this variation you have strategy to promote couple of pawns and ladder mate when Martin starts moving pawns around.

[@nicklowe1964]

The Nelson v Martin rivalry is unmatched

[@Peterkringle]

See how few moves it takes Martin to checkmate you! Love your channel by the way, especially where you just play games. It's helpful as a 1100 to watch a 2300+ rated player just talk through openings and critical decisions. Pretty soon you'll be at 500k subscribers, and well-deserved!

[@jasonlongfur4695]

Plot twist: Martin is Garry Kasparov on his troll account

[@Skispp]

if you do the same move every time then he will win because he goes first so he'll check/checkmate you before you can do it yourself

[@Catvinity]

3:04 Martin was so good he didn’t have to move to win.

[@teambellavsteamalice]

After the castle, you could still play another king move, right? In the very closed game where he kept moving his queen one move, you could have played any better one. The b8 c7 diagonal looked nice. You just need to avoid blocking other pieces. If possible, I'd also avoided open files with another rook on it, you had several dangerous instances where the interposing knight moved and the rook was attacking yours. Could be avoided.

[@TottenvilleMiddleSchool]

Appreciate you taking the time to make this video!!

[@vinsplayer2634]

I think it should be that you have to move the same piece, except that when it's impossible, you can do whatever you want.

[@Hulk5248]

5:31 why didn't he use his bishop to pin the bishop to the queen on the back row on martins side

[@JoeGillian0]

@2:17, you could have moved the king and castle....but yeah that does not change a lot to the outcome I guess @ 8:27 : u moved the wrong bishop I think

[@lyndenzhu5708]

beat stockfish 31 pawns v 16 queens

[@Kennythepudding]

Did stockfish play with the pawns

[@지르코늄-z7p]

How about the 'king must move' rule? You should move the king every 3 turns.

[@reubenmanzo2054]

2:00 Nelson indicates 3 options to move the king, d7, d8, f8... or you could castle.

[@gizer-bs]

He probably counted it as also an rook move

[@reubenmanzo2054]

@@gizer-bs Rookie mistake.

[@reubenmanzo2054]

How are you supposed to keep track of which piece needs to move. With a pawn, it's relatively simple, same file. Same with bishop, opposite colour square. But how do you do this with a knight or a rook? What about if a pawn promotes and you have a 2nd queen, shouldn't you be able to choose which queen to move?

[@FirstPersonBeta]

Seriously, this is a wonderful foundation for a new type of chess game.

[@aliciafisher1392]

tag chess use it it is where your opponent moves a piece then you move any other piece behind or diagonal but backwards

[@lutimstrickshots9253]

You can't do anything at all with rules like this, maybe you should make it like if say Martin moves his knight you can move either of your knights and if he moves a pawn you can move any of your pawns.

[@TheHulk31803]

I love how most of the video was. "OK Martin

[@hyukkim4939]

Play chess against Martin but you can never check the king. Only checkmate.

[@spencerhiginbotham7538]

Same challenge, but you just have to move the same type of piece. For example, if he moves a bishop, you can move either one of your bishops.

[@jasmint6703]

The thumbnail board position is the most hilarious I have ever seen. Lols on and on.

[@christopherheckman7957]

Hmmm. If you capture a piece (like say the queen) you'll never be able to move your queen again. This does look tough to win. 12:50 You have to break symmetry some time, because if White checks or plays something like QxQ, you lose instantly. 16:03 Zugzwang! 20:07 The mate at g3 is only possible if White moves his h-pawn, then his queen, without moving the king or bishop or e- or d- pawns in the meantime. 20:40 I think Martin's been doing some work at home. Maybe he's watching some ChessVibes videos?

[@angrypuppy]

U should do the exact same thing but if Martin moves his knight u move the other knight to the spot he put it

[@hassanalihusseini1717]

Martin should be called "Smartin".

[@educat1on166]

2:10 why not castle

[@InterGalacticGamer2502]

how about adding "have to move the king" as a rule - same rule set but if you don't have a legal move (can't move that piece) then you have to move the king - you lose when you have no legal moves for your king

[@thashwinkumar6196]

Playing chess like this is affront to the traditional play of chess.

[@mrsamy9348]

In the second game you have to move the light squared bishop

[@DanielEberhard]

Just a suggestion how you could actually beat the challenge (and not only survive until move 100 or sth): Martin is a very bad player that doesn't recapture pieces that you captured before. So maybe try to do the following (while still granting that you can move every piece): Capture whenever you can. Another thing that came to my mind: maybe don't capture every of his pieces, because then he will only make king moves, and mating with a king move is almost impossible (except with a discovered checkmate)

[@walterhartman3636]

I'd love to see something like beat martin but you can never move a piece further than halfway. you have only the first 4 rows that you can move your pieces to. if it's too easy do the first 3 xD

[@lillithplays6514]

20:58 You could've played King d7

[@arnoldvanhofwegen2255]

ANy check is fatal, you cannot win. Any take of rook takes rook or queen takes queen: fatal. You cannot win

[@retro3889]

I love ur vids bro😊

[@charlielobello5014]

So knowing that, the only way to win would be to move the same piece in a check that he doesn't move his piece into. Because he missed it, since he's Martin . And learning what his possible next move is to keep you from moving that same piece, so that his next move you can't move. Helps with my visualization if nothing else.

[@jaybingham3711]

Fun stuff. Really enjoy your content. I have a topic that I think might be well received by your subs: successful conversion of different levels of leads. From 1pt on up. Group as you see fit. Offer general insights on what such leads broadly afford you. One particular insight the engine helped me with immensely was that even in games with a big lead (say 5+), the conversion can still require 40 or more moves. For certain games, it can even be more than 60. Believing a crushing initiative is one that typically comes with a quick victory has held me back. My misunderstanding about big leads inevitably producing big knockouts always induced a lot of anxiety. Of course, your opponent won't likely reel off nothing but best moves after going down big. But just knowing there can be dozens of moves left is a better, healthier mindset to embrace. Keep up the good work.

[@ChessVibesOfficial]

Nice idea, Jay! I'll see what I can come up with for a future video

[@stag6161]

Maybe try a game with only pawn moves, you can use a piece to recapture a pawn, but then it has to stay there

[@Kennythepudding]

20:44 since castling is considerd a king move to everybody, maybe i could play idk kd7?

[@THIB3]

Just did it. But after move 100 or notch 200 I decided I'd play my own moves. At that point we each only had a bishop and a knight. It was my first time getting check mate with the just a bishop and knight and I didn't know how but I figured it out. As a 4-500 rated player I think it's a cool challenge that after a point u have to make ur own moves separate to him afterwards. Mate at move 148 or 297.

[@That1cactus_]

Face it, we have all once tried to copy someones moves

[@McGravyboat]

15:56 Martin put you in zugzwang!

[@張謙-n3l]

I don't see how you can win. If your move will check him, then obviously his previous move is a check

[@BEN-ys6gu]

His move doesn't have to be a check, he just needs to move the same piece as the piece you checkmate him with

[@Kennythepudding]

Maybe he moved his knight to an area where it didnt check and u checked. If you u just have to move the same piece, it doesn't necessarily mean the kings are in the same place.

[@ondrearogers1276]

This challenge seems like it would be just as hard as the same challenge against a GM, because of how predictable they are.

[@shrimpninja1493]

I managed to beat Martin either copy cat. Had to check a him using knight and king on the 175th move with two Great moves in a row. It was pain.

[@BobChess]

Copy cat variation 💀, also if Nelson see this. This challenge you just to move the same type of pieces that Martin play like if he moves bishop. You move the bishop or move e pawn, you can move the c pawn.

[@infiniteloopcounter9444]

lol, yeah he really did just add extra difficulty for no reason. The super narrow definition wasn't in the original challenge text he showed.

[@ajb129]

Over/under 50%: Nelson's lifetime win percentage against Martin?

[@lutimstrickshots9253]

under for sure

[@joebalmond3036]

This video is hilarious. I've been trying it since, mostly it ends with his rook/queen capturing mine but I have gone past 100 moves twice now

[@eyal28282]

7:36 could risk it all by taking bishop

[@usercommunity6775]

Tip: castle's a king's move

[@victorfinberg8595]

3💯agadmator would be happy to know that martin won with b4

[@Gabriel_JudgeofHell]

Nelson vs Nelson (bot) but every 20 moves the bot gets another queen

[@BobChess]

Next challenge idea: if 3 of your pawns or knights have no legal move.

[@codereditz]

I feel like you didn't finish your sentence correctly

[@usercommunity6775]

5:38 move ....... Ba3 B×a3 R×a3 Q×a3 Q×c2+ (Maybe) Qa1 Qd2+#

[@Kennythepudding]

How do those moves exist? Are u thinking about it on whites side? Even on whites side, all of the following moves still dont exist.

[@ShortsBySam.]

Play Against Martin but you will have only your major pieces and pawns.

[@theinkycloud]

You should try to beat Martin using only pawns.

[@Billy-sm3uu]

They should make you lose elo when you play Martin😂

[@Kennythepudding]

So even if u win u lose rating

[@AidenHardy596]

So how exactly are you supposed to win this?

[@Dalstonnnnnn]

20:00 qf2 checkmate?

[@Qaxaler]

“Your opponent doesn’t defeat you if you defeat yourself first”

[@Qaxaler]

Yes I know I disent make sense

[@ghb323]

the mirror between the 4th and 5th rank

[@kogmawmain8872]

Trying to learn how stockfish works

[@lool8421]

how are you supposed to even get a checkmate? at least it makes sense to get a draw

[@gamergamingdarshss1103]

Martin but you can literally not move any piece if he makes a check/capture the only pieces that can move are king the knight and the pawn

[@BananaDope]

Hey Nelson, did you perhaps voice act Siegward from dark souls 3? Your hmmm is exactly the same.

[@boich7765]

chess but you have to choose a piece randomly. If the wheel lands on something you cannot move, you lose!

[@LounoirRecords]

the cult of martin is too stronkk!

[@IdleGamer-zf9pi]

19:03 man a game review wouldve been sick

[@MsNosis]

like the variant where you played with martin, alternating moves, much more than this. at least in that you had full control of your own moves and could play well. this was just too restricted and not informaive at all.

[@ovk_jupyter]

How did you get to 90 something, I lost to him at 24. He's just too good!

[@Hyrule_Castle]

8:26 I'm pretty sure you took with the wrong knight

[@JoeMM5]

I don't understand why you keep spoiling the video in the first moments instead of getting straight into it and not wasting time.

[@hattruck8607]

I love that idea

[@im_lilly736]

Try beating martin by moving the same piece he moved

[@PhantomAarantula]

This challenge looks entirely impossible...

[@simonhakansson9300]

Just copying every move and hoping that you reach a 100 moves is no challange, anyone could do that. It would be much better if you restrict yourself to just moving the same type of piece that Martin does.

[@comfortenema4637]

I made 51 blunders did u do more than this in this game

[@bomby.e.e]

If you think about it, losing to martin is inevitable because martin is playing as white which gives him a first move advantage

[@umchoyka]

You didn't lose the last game though? All that happened was you were no longer in a perfectly symmetrical position but could have played on...

[@TibiaOTarena]

how can you win this? if you take a "free" piece you technically also loses that piece because you will never be able to move that piece again.

[@comfortenema4637]

I won the copy challenge with 92 mistakes

[@danielyuan9862]

5:18 that's the wrong bishop. Corresponding Bishops are on different colored squares. You don't have your other Bishop, so you lost here.

[@danielyuan9862]

Nvm you said it in the video lol

[@lMystikl]

I made it over 100 moves against Martin by mirroring his moves! Does that count as a win? 😅

[@attilio2401]

is he martin or mahhtin

[@Kennythepudding]

7:40. You lost in 7 moves😂😂

[@Kennythepudding]

Wait no 6:40

[@hairy6pacK]

if you cant beat him join him

[@charlielobello5014]

Whoever goes first in tic-tac-toe wins

[@Kennythepudding]

You could get a draw

[@andrew_might_community_post]

Fun fact: Martin is Bulgarian.

[@chessWoRpire1449]

Lmao 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣