I tried to find my kibbe body type | DEEP DIVE + my method

[@elliejeanroyden]

I can see in the comments some demands for some other Kibbe creators, so here are some that have made a huge impact on this community - Aly Art - Gabrielle Arruda - Cocoa Styling - Merriam Style - Style Thoughts by Rita - Elyssa - Dear Peachie I’m sure there are SO many more, but these are some that I’m aware of and are widely appreciated in the kibbe-community! Xxx

[@Anouk643]

Style Thoughts* by Rita.

[@revaconescu6120]

Aly Art, Elyssa, and Gabrielle Arruda are all great! Between their videos and your's I've learned a lot- and I'm pretty sure i've figured out i'm a romantic- every video I see the romantic recommendations are things I already have in my wardrobe- bought way before I discovered the kibbe system- altho the more i learn the easier it's become to shop for things i know will work for me and therefore I will actually wear.

[@because78...9]

Pls don’t forget style chat, who’s helped so much in clearing all the misconceptions!

[@nicsza9010]

It’s so awesome of you to give a shoutout to other content creators. Go, Ellie-Jean 🎉 We appreciate you.

[@ana-xx6tn]

So a quick question I'm 5.2and something and I do the test and it was dc for me but I read somewhere that you should be very tall for dc so is that mean I did it wrong ?

[@SoyJGAko]

I also want to shoutout Gabrielle Arruda on youtube and tiktok! I especially love her content combining Kibbe body types with Kitchener essences. Her work plus Ellie-Jean's style roots have been so transformational for me!

[@yusra7634]

loveeeee her! Especially her deep dives. She and Ellie Jean are my go to

[@ZosiaDabrowski]

Yess absolutely!! I echo everything you just said!

[@ladycarys3008]

Same! These 2 women have helped me better understand myself so much

[@patrycjam.6460]

Love her and her sense of humor 😊

[@sagieaesir13]

same!!! I love them both for different reasons, combining their ideas has really improved my relationship with my style :)

[@inspodonut29]

I actually don't know how I got sucked into this rabbit hole but it just happened and it ruins my sleep schedule 😂

[@BobaLover-x2p]

Oh no 😂

[@harfir7169]

Glad you avoided the cult x). For me the big learning from Kibby was that different ppl put on weight in different places. It really helped me let go of the idea that my body was "weird" for putting on weight in thighs and belly, but not chest. I know that also aligns with the fruit shape stuff, but Kibby was the one that helped me understand that it's just a body type and not something individual or "my fault".

[@misslyntheena]

Yes! I think that’s very helpful, I finally managed to put on a bit of weight and it showed up in my boobs and thighs haha 😂 Confirmed my TR double curve I think

[@Rachel-fi4sc]

You can rest assured it's not just you who gains weight purely in thighs and belly but not chest! I gained 20kg (thank you, disability) before I went up one bra size lol.

[@adelaipser1239]

Oooh, girl. It took me like 2 years and a bunch of mental breakdowns to finally figure out what I was. I had intense body dysmorphia but unlike others, I find Kibbe body types insanely useful for it. I went from assuming I'm a Romantic, to a Classic until I arrived to a Dramatic. Tried the entire spectrum!😂 I have a pretty similar silhouette to Eva Green or Taylor Swift (somewhere inbetween) and while I'm long and very narrow I also have a bit of a confusing curve. It all clicked when I saw myself in a simple long all-black dress. I finally felt good, comfortable and most of all not like I was wearing someone else's clothes - without the need to constantly check where it didn't fit and the feeling out of place. Learning about the Kibbe features also gave me a feel of which of my features don't necessarily fit the Dramatic look (my face, lack of the Dramatic dryness that people often point out in Keira Knightley for example) and the ability to find effective ways to accommodate them in my own way. Most of this happened thanks to your content so here's a big thank you from a former body-insecure girly, you're incredible ❤

[@candacepenny9082]

This gives me so much hope! I’m a year into reading and watching KZbin videos about kibbe and I feel less decisive than I did six months ago! I’ve started to wonder if I even know what I actually look like. 🫣 But I don’t want to give up because I love the idea of it and have for years felt just a bit off in most of the clothes I’ve bought.

[@Bunnidove]

Im still stuck. Im um, fat, so that doesnt make it any easier...

[@adelaipser1239]

@@Bunnidove I promise it's so worth it! If you're lost try to look at even just one piece of clothing that you really really love, for me it was the long dress and also this very simple structured trenchcoat. Try to analyze what specific features about this piece make you feel nice and comfortable, what it is about the material, silhouette or cut that makes it fit you so well. Again, for me it was the long silhouette, narrow cut and structured shoulders that eventually clicked with my actual body type - Dramatic. The thing that you already tend to gravitate toward naturally might just be the thing that leads you to your body type. You'll get there, I believe in you!❤️

[@wilczus222]

I used to dislike how i looked but learning about Kibbe helped to feel a lil' better about myself, glad it's been the same for you!

[@strawberrythiefproductions]

The process of elimination test is such a great way of framing it. I've been pretty sure I'm a SD for a while now and have been slowly moving my wardrobe in that direction (and loving the way it looks), but seeing this has firmly convinced me - not only do I defintely have vertical and curve, but a I definitely DON'T have width, petite, balance, or double curve. Love the way you frame all of this as a tool not a rule as well - it makes it feel much more like an artistic method for effective expression as opposed to strict prescriptions about what you are and aren't allowed to wear.

[@SocialExperiment232]

I think I might be a soft dramatic (a lot of vertical, wide shoulders, softness everywhere) but then I don’t really have much boob. Yeah I’m a C but it doesn’t really look big on me since my back is so wide. Same with my butt, if you take away my shoulders it looks huge but then against my shoulders it looks normal. Then I gain weight on my lower stomach and it eliminates my waist so I’m so confused. Also a lot of the examples they show of certain body types don’t really look like that type to me. So the whole science seems confusing to me.

[@strawberrythiefproductions]

@@SocialExperiment232 if you've got wide shoulders you might be some sort of natural - I'm fairly tall but have very narrow kinda pointy shoulders, which I think is pretty characteristic of dramatic types. Width and curve sounds like it could be more of a flamboyant natural to me, but I'm by no means an expert 😅

[@SocialExperiment232]

@@strawberrythiefproductions shoulders don’t have much say in deciding between natural and dramatic. Sophia Loren and Tilda Swinton definitely present wider shoulders but they’re confirmed dramatics. I am much fleshy to be a natural. Just don’t know if it’s between dramatic or soft dramatic since I’m also slightly above my normal weight right now so that also contributes. I just wanna figure out what’s better to wear so that I don’t waste time while shopping 😭

[@vermiliongardens]

@@SocialExperiment232 I’m a soft dramatic with ~shoulders~ but the width doesn’t continue to my rib cage and my shoulders are more angular than square/blunt, so you might consider those aspects. I’ve read that soft dramatics tend to gain weight uniformly (vs low abdomen as you said) and that’s been my personal experience. I still have an obvious hourglass even when I gain weight. You might be a natural of some sort. Or, and I offer this out of curiosity and kindness, you may look into hormonal imbalances. I went on a particular birth control that made me look like a potato (gained weight primarily in my belly, which I had NEVER done before, completely lost my waist.) Needless to say that didn’t last long.

[@SocialExperiment232]

@@vermiliongardens my width doesn’t continue to my rib cage either. I actually have a super ✨ dramatic ✨ curve from my shoulders to my waist. Soft dramatics don’t have to have waist definition. That’s part of why there’s so much yang in them and why often sets them apart from romantics. They can have but it’s not required. I have waist definition just not as obvious when I gain weight because I gain it directly above my hips which interrupts the curve. When you look at Sophia Loren (aka the primary example for soft dramatic) she has most of her weight gain in her mid section. There’s absolutely no way I’m a natural. Too much curve, too much softness. Loose fitting lines look absolutely terrible on me, they just make me look fat because they make my small waist disappear, plus the boho hippy vibes don’t go when I have such a dramatic/romantic face. My doubt comes from whether I still qualify as soft dramatic since my boobs don’t look huge on me or if that automatically makes me a pure dramatic 🤦🏻‍♀️ and I don’t believe in taking pills but thanks for your concern.

[@johannac5653]

Im such a fan of Gabrielle Arruda, she makes alot of in-depth videos combining your essence with your kibbe body type. 🥰

[@caravanrose]

Lol yep, Merriam Styles was even more confusing than Kibbe. It feels great when you finally figure out your type! I was able to do so by watching Aly Art. As a trained artist she has a keen eye and attention to detail that helped me decipher my type.

[@vanessasirvent7048]

Hi, first time commenting on YT ever.😬 I love this Body & Style channel❤ Thank you for what you do! I discovered Kibbe many years ago because of extensive videos from Aly Art. She has an amazing keen eye indeed and so does Merriam Style imo, specially on colorimetry. Her complex system (of the latter) made me understand how as an Autumn type I gravitate towards wearing and feel good in SOFT BABY BLUE, which I could not understand before when I am conspicuously an Autumn (because on her system I'm Warm Delicate - I have hazel eyes, dark brown hair and warm skin and so I feel best in muted colours, and worst in bright saturated colours, and even though that soft blue is not part of my colour palette it does suit me). So I really appreciated that piece of the puzzle with her keen eye and insight. I love the Kibbe chats/community, they're fascinating and help filter and narrow down decision making when purchasing and styling clothes. I'm sure I'm between Romantic and Soft Gamine, but leaning more and identifying more with SG (also if you factor in personality/attitude). Thank you for your videos Ellie-Jean!❤ & I'm going to use the wardrobe app you recommended

[@Mysterious_Moon]

I agree. Merriam personally typed me as a soft natural…. Wrong. Everything was too loose and made me look larger. I’m 5’10”, obvious curve, long vertical line. Soft dramatic lines fit me perfectly.

[@YumeraChauque]

​@@Mysterious_MoonI knew it!! Merriam is not trustworthy.

[@rebeccajordan4491]

I’m glad you stuck with SC. The Freely Kibbe comments on your post there were very frustrating to me. The biggest takeaway for me around kibbe - the man drives me nuts, but when he talks about it being ultimately an image id and not a body type, it can become really clear where someone fits in, even when they have strong characteristics of multiple types. You are such a SC essence - your balance and softness shines through, not the lushness and drama of TR. I think the stereotypes can be really helpful in that way.

[@amymullen296]

I quite like focusing on this as a dressmaking system. I'm middling sewist, but I know from past experience with patterns that: -I have to chop length off everything, including the torso (petite). I'm about 5'1" with long legs and short waist. -I have to key patterns off the hips, then alter the waist as necessary. (curve or double curve) -I have a large bust for my height. In a front view, my bust pushes fabric out past my shoulders. (curve or double curve) And I have narrow shoulders, because straps are forever falling off them. (no width) So I have no width or vertical (throws out the dramatics and naturals). I have to accommodate petite (so choose from soft gamine, theatrical romantic, or romantic). I have either curve or double curve. Double curve only happens where you don't have to accommodate anything except petite. I am curve dominant, meaning that the fabric pushes out over my bust and hips, but nothing in my figure interrupts the curves that fabric makes (no long waist, no balance, etc). Since I don't have to accommodate width, vertical, or balance, I have double curve. Double curve + petite = romantic. So I figured I was romantic, but the "dressmaking approach" does seem to throw out soft classic, which was the other style I looked at.

[@frenchy2318]

This is so helpful. I didn't realize that recently, this was a dressmaking system. I'm still new to kibby so I don't know what it means. But I have to add width to the hips and take in as the waist. (Curve or double curve) Add length. I'm 5'8 with a longer torso. (Vertical) So does that leave me in SD ? 🤔

[@amymullen296]

@@frenchy2318 I'm also new to Kibbe, but I found this video explaining curve and double curve super helpful: kzbin.info/www/bejne/sGjVaZZ6hdWtr7c Watch the bit about Sophia Loren (another soft dramatic!) at 1:50; she talks about how to ID curve.

[@liav4102]

Thank you so much for sharing your personal process ❤ I’m not sure I’m even up to a middling dressmaker but the few things I’ve made or altered have clued me into my body in really helpful ways. Also short + short torso

[@shachardl5360]

About the shoulder width analysis (with the straps falling), what would you call someone who's straps do fall, but not because of lack of width, but because of "height" (like the space above and below the shoulders is small compared to left-to-right). Maybe it doesn't mean anything but I'm curious.

[@liav4102]

@@shachardl5360 for me it’s part of the overall shortness of my torso that can lead to comically tall shoulders (one time I tried on this dress in a really stiff fabric, with the waist at my actual waist line the top of the shoulders was in line with my earlobes 😂)

[@LaChickadee11]

I also thought i was Theaterical Romantic, but the clothes that I picked out seemed like 'too much softness'. But also, any fabric that was too stiff was too restricting and odd looking on me. Looking deeper into Soft Classic with your videos made everything click! I am excited to play around with more "elegant" pieces in my wardrobe! 😀

[@Crewelperleology]

When Kibbe says that the pure types Natural, Classic and Gamine no longer exist, he might as well just say thta they really never existed. Body types don't come and go, but Image ID's probably due, because it is a construct.

[@june7rose]

Amazing comment. I love studying this and looking into it, and it has helped me. But at the end of of the day, all of this is the opinion of one fallible man who made it up in his head. Does it all really exist? I think it's a matter of opinion and it exists if you want it to.

[@tiffann9514]

Being objective about my body has been the most difficult process for me. I grew up around family members who are either dramatics or gamine , so I took that as what I must be one also since we were the same hight and weight , but knew what they wear everyday looked horrible on me, so i just thought it was something wrong with how i looked... Then I got a full length mirror for the first time and truly looked at myself for what my body really looked like 😅. It was shocking and discouraging having that image of what I thought I looked like suddenly stripped from me. I am definitely not a dramatic or gamine, but instead lean more towards a romantic...BIG DIFFERENCE! 😅 Seeing my body for how it is and knowing that I am healthy has made such a difference. I am so happy to have found a channel that celebrates every body type for their own unique selfs. ❤️☀️

[@yusra7634]

I used to be an MBTI / Jungian typing psychology nerd but now I find solidarity w the fashion girlies who have to suffer through the Kibbe / Kitchener typing systems 🤝 we WILL find ourselves, inside and out...even if we have to spend an unhinged amount of time doing so 😂 Also did Ellie ever explain why she got excommunicated from the Kibbe group? I love how she went to Kibbe University basically caused to get popular to the point of spamnation, ended up having to leave, now offers her own consultations. Idk what order those things happened in, but dare i say iconic?

[@stephallen9819]

Anyone that says they can type for kibbe or makes social media content about the system is automatically breaking the rules. Because Kibbe says only he can type 😮

[@yusra7634]

​@@stephallen9819ohhh I see, ty. Tbh its giving gaslight gatekeep girlboss with a hint of cult leader 😂 I do respect Kibbe's work and I think he's done a good job of his system, but this caveat of his is so wild. I have literally never heard of any pioneer in any field claim that they were the only person who be competent in their speciality. It sounds like a controlling and insecure parent. Gabrielle Arruda oftens mentions how Kibbe and Kitchener were inspired by female fashion professors a few decades before them, and popularised their concepts. New people take up the torch each generation. That should be encouraged, not dissuaded. I feel like Kibbe will realise that within the next 10-20 years that he will effectively be jeopardising his own legacy if the system essentially ends when he passes away. He'll probably change his mind about the typing thing. I dont think I'm the type to ever get a consultation, but Ellie Jean seems to be very chill and sweet. I think I would prefer having another woman tell me my body type anyway

[@janesska1348]

Ellie types people for profit and that is against the official Kibbe rules. The system which tells you "only one person can type you correctly" is just gatekeeping imo.

[@queenofgoldenhearts]

ooooh you’re just like me! i’m a 100% obsessed with psychology/typology (it took me years but i finally found myself) and now i’m on this fashion essence, styles and kibbe journey

[@janellemaureen8435]

Omg, what's your mbti?

[@KN-eb3md]

This couldn't have come at a more perfect time! Been in a rabbit hole of your videos for a few weeks now and still stuck on the body type. Hopefully this does the trick, thankyou 🥰

[@ZwarteKonijn]

As many, I've been stumbling with the Kibbe types for a couple of years now. I started out thinking I was theatrical romantic, mostly because I have no clue how tall feet and inches are and an online conversion said I was 5'7 (turns out I'm actually 5'9). I actually switched first to soft natural because of my width, but being a bit more chubby at the time and broad hips, mistook that as having more width, but not height. Loosing weight made me realize I looked a lot taller than I actually thought I did and understanding I'm actually flamboyant natural. Steps that helped me the most were; -To actually look at the elements and the lines of the clothes recommended, not the models, the style, and the clothing themselves. By understanding that it's not about the shirt, but the neckline, or the fit. To look at it from a distant view, how your body has lines and how the clothing you wear accentuates or change those lines. -Switching the perspective. I was too focused on 'finding my body type so I know/will be told how to dress', to 'this is a tool and a guide to learn how to dress'. That it wasn't about me finding my 'type', but about me learning how to dress well and with intention, and that created a lot more space to just have fun. -Elyssa's videos about yin and yang, the theories before the Kibbe's system. To understand it from that perspective changed my way of looking at yin and yang balance. What NOT helped me, at all; -The jargon used. There are too many terms that have a different connotation in day to day life, what can misguide people who don't know it well of what's actually being said. This also played a lot in the 'well, I don't want this because I don't like this term in the day to day life use of the word'. It just feels odd he choose these words. Also just the random changing of words? Why is it for one type flamboyant, but theatrical and dramatic for the other? -Not a big fan of most of the pictures used. A lot of pictures of celebrities were there is played with angles, lighting, and photoshop, not always creating a good perception of their body types. Also miss the general use of pictures of people that don't have the time to work out all the time. -Guides being influenced by what the creators are insecure about. I've seen too many people who are like 'feminine is what you want', or 'being small is what you want', not really giving a good indication of the types outside of that because they dislike those bodytypes and what they imply for them.

[@bertet9928]

The key for me was realising it’s holistic. As soon as I realised that I knew I was SD. It all made complete sense.

[@deirdreruth9392]

Exactly - people get off track when they try to break it down by specific characteristics…

[@caravanrose]

💯

[@bertet9928]

@deirdreruth9392 I've seen this happening too often. I’ve even been told by strangers I can't be SD unless I'm hourglass lol. When it comes down to it, the clothing doesn't lie. Doesn't matter if your head looks small in a photo or your boobs are over a D cup, fabric can't lie. You can’t argue against it.

[@brittany3559]

I went through the journey of trying to figure this out and even paid for a few different professional body type evaluations with mixed results. What finally clicked for me was when I started working remotely full time, I’ve spent the last 6 months in zoom calls all day everyday and seeing my video tile next to 20-30 other people’s on any given call has made me realize just how sharp and delicate I am in comparison. It’s undeniable that the thing that stands out most about my features is my yang bone structure. This has also really helped my narrow in on my best colors as well.

[@Starburstnova]

I've gone so far down this rabbit hole and I'm fairly certain I understand most of the concepts pretty well at this point, dug through all this misinformation, etc. And I've concluded my first instinct just from reading Kibbe's original descriptions was correct. On your note about getting other people's opinions, especially ones who don't know about Kibbe, do take this with a grain of salt. I very much have always been told I'm very curvy, was told I look very mature for my age when I was a teen, etc. Before I knew what Kibbe was, this led me to trying to dress like a romantic at times, and left me feeling very frumpy. Even after starting my Kibbe journey, those words stuck in my head. Even asking my husband, he's like "curvy, hourglass...you're a romantic or theatrical romantic!" and it's hard to shake that. But curvy doesn't necessarily mean romantic. All the types have at least baseline curve, and half of them have curve as a prominent feature. I do still second guess at times though, especially since Kibbe has apparently said that what a lot of people think soft gamine is actually romantic, and those are the two I'm torn between...although I still very much believe I am SG when I consider the accommodation recommendations. Especially since he's also said that most people underestimate the amount of yang they have...and I'm pretty sure I have a non-insignificant amount of yang. Sorry, not trying to make this about me and my journey haha. Point is, take other people's opinions with a grain of salt and try to filter what they say through a Kibbe lens. Their impressions ARE important to help you see yourself objectively and not overanalyze so much, but their wording may not match Kibbe's and it could potentially lead you in the wrong direction.

[@PerplexingIndividual]

PLEASE do this for Kitchener Essences! It was so informative!

[@loonadeux]

When I first ran into Kibbe, I knew immediately that I was SD, but then got confused because I don’t have long, thin limbs and I wasn’t sure if maybe I had “width.” After months in the rabbit hole, I confirmed my first instinct was right. I also went down the color season and essences rabbit holes. I am finally now beginning to get a feel for clothes that really work for me-things I would never have picked before. I feel like I have a long way to go, but this has helped so much with self esteem and is getting me out of a deep rut. It’s a slog to figure this stuff out, but worth it.

[@anna-5104]

Amazing video! I was also obsessing over which type I was, but it helped me when I tried to type my parents. It was especially helpful, when I specifically typed my dad, because I look mostly like him. I typed him as dramatic classic and my mum as soft classic or theatrical romantic and then I got the realization that like my dad I had to be a dramatic classic. After that my 8 month long obsession was finally over and I have never doubted my judgement anymore.

[@monicabarnett9231]

I’d like to say how much I loved your typing consultation! So worth it if anyone is considering it! I’m learning to dress my soft natural frame. As someone who wanted to be a soft classic, I’m coming around..!

[@ladycarys3008]

As someone who has struggled with body image issues and my weight, i really struggled to let go of my knee jerk reaction to the term "width". I am also short and definitely have curve so i played first with romantic but the fabrics and style always were a bit too much and I felt swallowed by them. Then, because my legs are short in proportion to my torso, i looked at soft gamine. That worked much better, but despite having shorter legs, if dressed for petite it didnt look quite right either. It. Wasnt until i allowed myself to really look at my shoulders andlet go ofthe assumption that width meant fat that I was finally able to look more objectively at the natural family. Gabrielle Arruda's deep dive into essances really helped as well an i finally realized that i am a soft natural with strong romantic, and gamine essences. This has allowed me to better embrace the fabrics and silhouettes of the soft natural while still adding some elements of sensual romantic and playful gamine into the details of my outfits which has had 2 main results: 1) I feel so much more at ease and confident in my body and 2) I have recieved so many compliments and questions about my style from women who are also struggling to figure out who they are. I always point them to Ellie-Jean and Gabrielle!

[@EmL-kg5gn]

I feel like it would be really helpful to know how to look at the different aspects (vertical, width, balance, curve, petite, and double curve) individually. I know I have either curve or double curve, that feels obvious even as someone who’s still learning the system. But it’d be nice to know how to determine whether or not I have the others. I have an idea of what it means to accommodate my curves, because if I don’t go out of my way to do that clothes don’t fit me or feel right at all. But how would I know if I have the others? If you did a video on these different aspects I’d absolutely love that!!! It’s so easy to get caught up in the details and forget the main parts of the theory. Also, your style roots system is amazing and really helpful! It’s good to have something I can use right away to narrow down my style while I figure out my colours, body and essence type

[@michelagirotto6184]

Three things I always new about my body: I am moderately tall, I'm curvy and I always felt ashamed of the width of my shoulders. So I could not be D/SD/FN or gamine/romantic. I was only left with natural and classic. By looking at photos of celebrities, naturals were the ones who I could identify myself with the most, but I was thrown off by the fact that to be a soft natural you must have thick lips and small nose, while I have thin lips and large and sharp nose. Then I found a video that went like "you are NOT classic if you have this and that"... and it finally clicked, I am your stereotipical SN 😅

[@ilariatogni5818]

I really think that comparision between types has helped me the most understanding the system

[@stephallen9819]

Kibbe doesn't include the face apparently. That's why internet information can throw us. Glad you found you are SN. I'm 80% sure I'm a SN too. In big part to the fact that I don't fit any other categories either!

[@michelagirotto6184]

@@stephallen9819 the original test also included the face 😅 But my face is not sharp overall, I have full cheecks and ingenue essence, my lips are thin but soft, my nose is moderate compared to my mom's one, who is a 6' feet FN super model 😂 ... I am 100% SN and I've been wearing my "lines" since one year already...

[@AliyahAbdon]

I love how passionate you are about Kibbe and fashion! Thank you for sharing what you know ❤️

[@lizo5551]

Love your channel! Love the shout out :) I saw you as TR at first, but definitely agree now that SC is a better fit for you. You have a posh/elegant essence, something I see in all your videos. Sometimes pictures can miss that. You also look amazing in simple solids in a way that TR's would look undone. Though, many of the same styles can overlap between both SC/TR. I'm happy you found the correct ID! :D

[@kunaikat2232]

thank you ellie jean for introducing me to kibbe!!! it has truly helped me refresh my wardrobe after dressing punk for years!!! its so nice being more classy again and softer as im growing older. you are the best and you help so many women out there struggling with feeling good about style and wardrobe and just overall confidence. you are awesome and i love you haha and kibbe is awesome even though it has cult vibes 🤣🤣🤣 probably the only cult i will remain a member of 😂😂

[@lea_san]

I really love your videos and ur style roots are one of my favorite thing!!! Mine are mushroom, stone and flower, it really helps me knowing them!

[@karacat18]

lol mine was very easy to find as a 5'9 curvy gal, but as soon as i learned what works for SD's i bought some new clothes. i immediately got compliments and felt 10x more confident so im happy with my results! the next step in my style journey (and so far has been the hardest part) is finding my color season 😅

[@SassenachAustralis]

This was so helpful, thank you! Your energy and enthusiasm are really contagious 😊

[@elliejeanroyden]

That is so lovely to hear thank you!! ♥️

[@library_of_folklore]

Oh my gosh, just saw the notification. I was literally going to comment for a full breakdown video. I subscribed to you a few days ago when I saw your shorts and was really interested in learning about body types. I tried to find some sites but I found it too confusing so hopefully, this video will help. Will come back...

[@shanathelittle]

I would love to give credit for every other Kibbe youtouber that started before Ellie-Jean: Aly art (the first place where I saw it) Gabrielle Arruda - the best one in my opinion Elyssa I personally loved the Freely Kibbe group and the Blossom styling system by the founder, also I saw the test first from Cozy Rebekah then the Concept wardrobe then Gabrielle Arruda. I love your style roots system, but I think we should support all the other creators with great opinions about the topic rather than saying that Kibbe and you are the most reliable sources (as at 12:00)

[@neon.neutral]

I rolled my eyes when she said that. Like, reallllly lol

[@elliejeanroyden]

I was in no way dismissing any of these creators! They all make incredible content, and are a huge part of the Kibbe wave that’s happening right now it’s so exciting!

[@shanathelittle]

@@elliejeanroydenthank you for the pinned comment, I didn't try to read your mind and say that this was your intention. It's only an impression that can be felt by some statements in the video alone, but with the comment section it's now better. Thank you for taking the constructing criticism for what it was intended :) Sorry if my phrasing was harsh I'm not a native speaker.

[@Katieshirleen1649]

I would love to see full length videos on the body types! As well as which types are more and less common

[@rebeccahernandez5156]

This blonde suits you so well! It brightens your face so much, you look so fresh and youthful! ♡♡

[@elliejeanroyden]

Thank you that’s so kind!

[@Caressa_with_an_E]

My mind blowing Kibbe experience started with being measured without shoes on, turned out I'm 2" shorter than I thought (& now it makes sense why I've needed to accommodate a short vertical line when I thought I was 5'7). The other challenge is to accept the beauty that your body reflects, instead of trying to fit into what society considers correct for your gender identity... You may feel that you should be more yin or you're not yang enough. And I agree, there is this weird cult like environment in the Strictly Kibbe group... Lots of hoops to jump through before you can even post, with very vague and confusing commentary by the man himself.

[@emilyannamanda]

I literally asore when you post videos I’m just like thank God because I have to three-closets and I really need help dialing it back I love that you don’t gatekeep your knowledge, even though it would be worthwhile to pay you as a stylist even still

[@nataleenriosgonzalez6687]

Aly art is very talented to explain kibbie

[@AndiKay-v4z]

Could you please do a video on "classic wardrobe staples" for each body type, f.ex. white blouse/button up, LBD etc. and what each version could look like to fit the body type? Really like your channel BTW!

[@sophierosebisou8420]

An important tip is “perceived height”! Some people look taller than they actually are. Head size also effects how tall we look, which determines vertical lines. Actually trying on the different “image type” clothing recommendations helped me solidify my Soft Natural type. (Aly Art has great videos explaining the types recommended silhouettes/lines of clothing.). Remember this is NOT fashion style aesthetics, but analyzing the shape of the body.

[@bertet9928]

Vertical has NOTHING TO DO WITH HEAD SIZE OR HOW TALL YOU LOOK IN PHOTOS. Everyone looks taller in photos. Sorry but you’ve been given misinformation. Vertical is simply elongation or straight lines between shoulders and knees.

[@northwoodfalls1403]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@bertet9928 well, yes and no. It isn’t just in photos. And it isn’t just the way fabric flows on your body as another poster stipulated. It’s the OVERALL impression your particular proportions give. What makes babies “cute”? It’s their head to body proportions. Their large heads in proportion to their bodies make them appear even smaller than they are. I had a very long baby, but said baby’s head was very large and round in comparison to their body and looked much smaller as a result. A friend of mine had a shorter baby with a smaller head in proportion to their body and looked longer than they were. If your head is larger in proportion to the width of your shoulders and torso, you WILL appear smaller to people. Even if you are quite tall. One of the features SJP has that lends to her overall impression of vertical even though she is quite petite is that the width of her head in proportion to her broad shoulders and chest make her appear taller than she is. If she had a round, broad head and narrower shoulders and torso, she would appear as petite as she actually is. She obviously cannot have, literally, a “long” vertical line when she is barely 5’3”. It is the IMPRESSION of a long vertical line that ALL of her proportions add up to. It isn’t just “straight lines” from shoulder to knees. There are very curvaceous women who are most decidedly not “straight” who are very tall and hence are classified as Soft Dramatics or Flamboyant Naturals depending on the wether they are narrow or broad, blunt or sharp. The problem with the system is that it is all subjective. You cannot cram any one human body into any one category perfectly. Celebrities are already a bad source to be using for examples because they, as a selected for group, are already outside the norm. They tend to be much more symmetrical and proportionate and we only see them in two dimensional images. It’s very hard to find people in “real life” who conform as neatly as the Kibbe certified celebrities do to the various categories.

[@northwoodfalls1403]

@@gaelle8844 I think we have a different understanding of what “proportion” means in this context. How anyone can discuss body types and dismiss proportions is quite the puzzle, I will say. I don’t think you understood what I was getting at with anything I said and that’s fine. That could be how I attempted to express my thought. You sound very confident and I’m not even remotely an expert. I do, however, see people struggling to see the lines of their bodies and occasionally I leave comments in case it helps someone shift how they’re thinking about it. Kibbe himself seems to be forever fiddling with his own theory, so there’s that. Unless we all wait with baited breathe for his word from on high about a persons type, we’re not all going to agree and that’s normal and perfectly fine.

[@northwoodfalls1403]

@@gaelle8844 Agreed, it’s his system, he gets to make the definitions. Also agreed, it’s not a science and no one should take it too seriously. Well, ok, people can do as they like and take it as seriously as they want, I just don’t see the value in stressing over it. I respect what you’re saying. I prefer to get to the marrow of what any such system is illuminating or focusing on so I can own the concepts myself and use them as I choose so that is what I try to communicate to people because they often get hung up on specifics instead of realizing that his whole system is about identifying what the dominant traits of your body are and how those translate into the way clothing either harmonizes or clashes with that structure. As to proportion … again … I just don’t agree. What is “balance”? What is being balanced? If you have vertical and need to accommodate curve, you are, by very definition, taking into account the PROPORTION of vertical to curve. I have curve. I also have vertical. I also have width. How do you decide what needs to greater consideration? For me, with my *proportions* of each element, I need to consider the vertical and width and the curve comes last. Kibbe (and everyone else who uses these terms in their systems) define Yin and Yang and they have identifiable features. Sharp vs round for example. Ok, but very few humans are going to be all of either. There is a blend. There is a *proportion* of yin to yang and vice versa. Kiera, to use one of your examples, does indeed have a long torso and “short” legs. But look at her *proportions*. She’s not tall. She’s 5’6”. So what gives her the vertical line? Long arms, long torso, long femurs and she is quite narrow. Change her *proportions* and the overall impression of her body changes. Give her width and curve with the same long arms, long torso, long femurs and suddenly does she still read as a Dramatic? You simply cannot discuss body types or any composition of any kind that contains objects and shapes and not consider proportions. Measurements absolutely hold a place for Kibbe. He has height demarcations for the types. The only reason SJP is an FN according to him and not one of the petite types even though she’s barely 5’3” is because of her *proportions* along with her yin yang balance. She has width plus vertical with blunt rather than sharp or rounder bones. How can an objectively short woman have vertical? What creates the impression of vertical? The same thing that makes me an FN rather than a SN or any other type even though I’m only 5’6”: she has a short torso in *proportion* to her limbs. Her arms and legs are long. Both the upper and lower bones in her limbs are long (whereas with Kiera, only her femurs have length whilst her shin bones are short in *proportion*). Proportion is a comparison of one part in relation to a whole and a relationship of one thing to something else. No one is just a line or a curve, sharp or soft. They are a variety of elements that in *proportion* to one another create an overall impression. Saying it’s not about proportion is inherently incoherent. The entire system is based on proportions of elements.

[@northwoodfalls1403]

@@gaelle8844 I appreciate all of that. Maybe our back and forth has helped someone who happens to see it. I think we both understand the system and use different terminology to describe it. Which may or may not be helpful lol. It all, in any case, speaks to each of us being unique in our makeup and at the end of the day that is what all of this is hopefully about: helping people highlight their uniqueness and letting them shine in whatever way they personally would like to.

[@sansanm9453]

I couldn't find my type till i took a picture of myself and compared that to kibbe examples. The weight gain patterns also really helped me (can't remember which website just search the title)

[@lili.z9950]

Thinking about Kibbe in terms of dressmaking really helped me! When you get your clothes tailored, what needs to be fixed. I’m a soft gamine. I like to have all my hems taken up (sleeve, shirt bottoms, skirt and pant hems) and I buy to fit my hips and shoulders, then have the waist taken in. Petite + curve.

[@SatipatthanaSakuraDragona]

I literally just went out for months (okay, over a year) and tried on a lot of stuff in stores, took pictures, then studied them at home to figure out what worked for me and what did not. I thrifted pieces, then realized I'd bought poorly, and refined again until I figured out what worked best for me. You start to run into the same problems and solutions (accommodations) after awhile. I'm pretty sure I don't have a kibbe body type. The kibbe system definitely leaves some of us out.

[@Daymickey]

Interesting! I wonder what Ellie Jean would say if she could type you. 😊

[@SatipatthanaSakuraDragona]

@@Daymickey Flamboyant Gamine, most likely, but I can't pull off their trademark opposite shape/line top and bottom. I am sharply yang and must accommodate petite. I do not have kibbe curve, width, or balance. I can handle some vertical, in that I actually look chic in monochromatic looks, but can't handle vertical lengths. Clothes tend to overwhelm me unless the fabric is moderate/thick, the style is highly tailored and sleek/narrow all over, and the lengths are short/cropped. My actual lines, as far as I can see, fall more or less into the pure gamine category (which no longer exists). I'm more like a short dramatic or dramatic classic that can't handle vertical.

[@Morslatke]

i want to add that one of the main things that helped me figure out my type was through kibbe's movie-watching exercise. you're correct that you shouldn't compare your body to images of celebrities, but you CAN and imo should compare your body/vibe to videos of celebrities. seeing movies with elizabeth taylor and marilyn monroe and even dolly parton made me realize that I was a Romantic who had hang-ups about feeling wide (and thinking I was SN). so i'd recommend that exercise to anyone in the research phase of kibbe.

[@emskily94]

How much did the Image ID part play a role in your journey? I’ve been exploring Kibbe since Jan 2022 - I’ve only really got as far as getting to either in the the C or N families - (people very divided on whether I have width! Most of the time I get DC but I feel like a lot of people get that when your body type is ‘unclear’) now I’m trying to get an idea of how essence/Image ID plays a part to help narrow it further!

[@stephallen9819]

I have had the DC comment too when I'm pretty sure I'm SN. What helped me was Ally Arts recent 'dressing soft natural for summer' video. Also I feel like width is something we generally feel about ourselves when picking clothes. I have always felt like I have to 'accomodate' the width in my ribcage. I find it the biggest factor when trying to buy dresses or tops that are structured around the ribs. And also if you look at verified SN celebrities that don't have big line backer shoulders at all, I think that is an internet misconception of width

[@SoyJGAko]

I have a similar Kibbe journey!! I’m basically certain that I’m an SC although I believe I give off SN vibes since I have broad shoulders, but after digging through the Reddit Kibbe rabbit hole I see that any type can have broadness in shoulders without having actual Kibbe width. That being said I would love to see content on the difference between broad shoulders & kibbe width

[@emskily94]

@@stephallen9819 see I don’t think I’ve ever really had to think about Kibbe width when buying clothes, I have a decent number of blouses made with a pretty structured material that I don’t have trouble wearing, at least not that I’ve noticed!

[@blj1523]

why is this not getting more views this is so epic

[@elliejeanroyden]

Thank you so much!!!

[@neurdogic8909]

great video i loved it. ive been into your channel for a while and its become quite the hyperfixation. i like to draw and create chatactwr designs and this has helped immensely for designing clothing and diversifying body types in my art. if you feel like it, id love to see more about typing mens bodies

[@DeeperDownTheRabbitHole]

I love the story line here. We've made body typing a science, but it was a niche cult she had to invade. She made some mistakes because she didn't realize it was egg walk time, and gets rejected by the cult. She openly tells us all this as she does her best to educate us... About body lines. I am so glad I found this woman, she has old school reporter mentality. 😂

[@Zorriel]

This video helped me more than I thought. You saying everyone thinks theyre a theratical romantic has me second guessing 😅 it was that, soft gamine and now im questioning if im romantic ughhh so hard

[@reneewhittinghill3440]

After reading Metamorphosis 📚 by David Kibbe, I found Aly Art's channel the most helpful. She has David's book as well and she gives visual examples of ABCDE choices for each of the test questions. I found you recently through Gabrielle Arruda's POV podcast. I love your enthusiasm for dressing your authentic style and your perspective on Essences. Sometimes people just need that different perspective or a different word to describe their style to see themselves clearly. I've always found that if I'm having trouble figuring out someone's Kibbe Image ID, I go back to the test and it's very clear. Oh and you are right... you really do have to study this material to grasp it. David Kibbe was a genius to come up with this system. I hope he doesn't water it down just bc people won't take the time to learn and see it for themselves. It's carefully designed and really thorough with the 13 "Body Types." I'm looking forward to his new book next year!

[@the_only_living_ghost]

Thank you for making all if this more accessible for us!

[@elliejeanroyden]

You are so welcome! ♥️

[@amandamacabre]

Personally, I found learning what things like vertical/width/curve/petite/etc in Kibbe and how to do the line drawings and then doing it over the standard pose for Kibbe AND other full body shots made it easier. When I was able to just look at some lines on a screen instead of photos of myself, it was a lot easier to see balance and vertical were my dominant features, despite thinking originally I was a soft natural. And then I started looking for clothing cuts that I felt flattered those lines (whether Kibbe approved suggestions or not) and that settled my Kibbe journey once and for all ahahah.

[@patrycjam.6460]

And what did you found out?

[@amandamacabre]

@@patrycjam.6460 sorry! Balance and vertical is dramatic classic 😊

[@Olga_Efremov]

Ellie, look into Vivien Leigh. She is a theatrical romantic. Your body looks very similar to hers, actually, than to Marion Cotillard's or to Naomi Watts. You just have some classic face features which require that balance you always look for, but your spirit is playful, and as you say you tend to your flower roots, also you are drawn to shiny silk clothes and you do pull them off, which is because you have a theatricality to you. At least, this is what I can see in your body type/identity. 😊

[@ameliehudini9414]

I've been confused about my body type for years, but with your summary, I think it finally clicked that I'm probably a soft dramatic. I have really wide hips and large breasts, but narrow-ish shoulders and a small waist, so I was always confused, but I'm also tall and my hips don't look "fleshy", so I came to realise that I don't have double curve even though other body type systems would call me an hourglass. So thank you for the summary! Also, I'd love to one day get a consultation (when I'm not a student and therefore poor) ❣

[@northwoodfalls1403]

His eradication of the “pure” types, like the Natural category is ridiculous. He sounds like a nut job to be frank. Not every “natural” type is either very strong in their vertical or soft. Jennifer Aniston is the poster girl for Naturals for a reason. She is neither tall or long looking nor is she soft. Not taking the bones and shapes of your face into account also seems silly. There are hints there that can help narrow down categories. The system has been helpful to me in honing in on the details of my clothing choices and there is definitely something to it. He and the others who have contributed to versions of this system have identified important features of women’s bodies that affect how their clothing looks on them, but like most things once the internet gets it’s hands on it, seems to have devolved into a weird pseudo cult lol. It really was helpful for me to see my bodies underlying structure and not get distracted by my perceived flaws or features I wish I had and all that. It took a while to silence the noise and SEE my body. It was hilarious because my mother had always told me I had an hourglass figure. I thought I had narrow shoulders and that I looked short. *Actually* my shoulders are noticeably broader than my hips, I have a very short torso and I’m alllll leg and long arms, broad blunt bones from head to toe, and people are always surprised to hear I’m not inches taller than I am. Even if I’m standing right next to them and they are clearly taller than me, they always say they thought I was about their height. It is important to be aware of your *dominant* features. I do have curve. Quite a bit of it, actually. But the width and vertical together dominate and if I accommodate for curve as if for soft natural, it throws my proportions off and it just looks weird. The curve I do have means I can sometimes lean in that direction and get away with it, but on the main, the FN lines suit me best. They also gel more with my personality and what I feel most myself in so that wins for me every time.

[@shaliniupadhayaya2525]

Absolutely love your videos. You helped my style so much. Thank you

[@pinkroses135]

The dressmaking approach makes more sense for personal style

[@girlysword]

Could you do a video about busts and what they do or maybe rather don't have to do with kibbe body types. I think women with large busts might assume that they are a soft type but from the little bit of research i've done i've that that may not actually be the case?

[@KateTalksDating]

Your content is so helpful and accessible, thank you! :)

[@nattokki]

"Use this as a tool, not a rule" SO true

[@kuroshimeru2520]

Thank you a lot for this video! I used to think that I am some sort of natural for a year, but this viedeo and its comment section made me realize that I am a soft dramatic! Finally it makes sense why I felt more drawn to romantic styles, than naturals! Thank you, and your community

[@misslyntheena]

I was a bit afraid when you said most people who use the Concept Wardrobe‘s Test get TR and it’s wrong, bc I did take the test like 4 times and I’m always TR. Once I have enough money saved up, I might book a styling session with you x I‘m still pretty sure I’m TR bc all the shapes/silhouettes look fantastic on me but it’s always nice to get another opinion x

[@Zukhane]

I love how you share your process. And it's so interesting, because lately I have been wondering if you might actually be a TR because some of the stiffer fabrics don't look quite right, I think. But that might just be the angle. Glad you found your category and are happy with it. 😊

[@emilyannamanda]

I mean, I can have some triggering feelings from people, bullying skinny people, but I still feel like I can look at this unbiased Lee

[@Iden_Elihio_1999]

I remember being so damn happy when David confirmed I have width and curve aka Soft Natural .... I always thought I was a Tr but I always was jealous of the naturals , specifically Flamboyant Naturals but honestly I would be happy if I was any natural type and I got what I wanted ......

[@kathilarifari4434]

Love your videos. Started my kibbe journey few years ago but gave up really quickly. I still don't have a clue and it's taking time to wirk through the strictly kibbe tasks. Maybe I'm a some sort of classic as I know I cannot go overboard with anything but I cannot really grab the concept of balance. I feel I am accommodating for vertical, width and curve. I often think I look the best in underwear or swimsuits and it gets worse when I put clothes on.. :D I would really love to see a video with verified celebs that are more atypical for their type.

[@caravanrose]

See Aly Art for celebrity videos you seek. This is what helped me nail it down.

[@elizabethsommer7248]

I have no idea if this will be helpful at this (or any) point or not- but there is a certain mathematical element to all this. A drawing of Da Vinci's vitruvian man might be helpful in comparing your proportions; for instance, an average person is 8 of their heads tall, average arms (shoulder to wrist) are approximately equal in length to one third of their height, average arms usually have the wrist hit at about crotch length, average legs have an inseam measurement equal to about 47% of the person's total height. There is of course a little bit of play in this, but it was helpful for me.

[@StormSought]

I straight up like, just don't agree with the height limits, because yes, you might have vertical, but tons of the other types have vertical. It conflates build and vibe a little too much. Like not every woman who's 5'7 looks good in super bold looks. I think I'm probably actually some sort of classic, because basically anything that isn't kind of basic looks like too much on me. Trying to figure it out based on height first gave me a lot of stuff I knew for sure I wasn't going to look good in, because it's the same advice given to every girl who's a little tall, and I'd already tried it. I just take all the classic tips and get stuff that's a touch longer (tea length for skirts, regular length for pants) and it actually looks like I have some idea what I'm doing for the first time in my life. So if you're tall and struggling, I would see what you get ignoring height, and if that's more helpful.

[@ilariatogni5818]

When i first discovered the kibbe system (years ago at this point) i took the test and since i am on the shorter side with an hourglass figure... i resulted of course Theatrical Romantic (which i am not really) at that time little did i know about "vertical", " Blunt" , "sharpness" and so on... If you are not familiar with all this the quiz is pretty misleading!

[@angelinaavocado6162]

I think it’s weird that the system is so difficult. At first I thought there was something wrong with me and my body because I couldn’t figure out my type. Now I see it’s difficult for almost everybody, and it’s starting to seem like a scam (Kibbe not you).

[@elizabethsommer7248]

I wonder if part of the difficulty isn't the very subjective sounding verbs that tend to be used; also, there is a mathematical element in what constitutes average (percentages, not exact measurements) and what doesn't that Kibbe shies almost extravagantly away from. I think taking that into account might help some of the confusion.

[@jules_2.0]

The one thing that confuses me the most is if I have petite. Im below average height and often buy trousers from "petite" section or have to get them hemmed. But I think I look tall for my height, people are often surprised to realise how short I am. Even the person Im dating who is physically taller than me said "You look tall today" when I was wearing jeans and a sweater

[@lw8186]

Meee too! I once literally had someone looking *down* at me saying that I was taller than her! 😂

[@eykyra]

I was surprised when you said theatrical romantic was the most likely answer in the kibbe quiz cause I thought it would be classic. I got soft classic at first and I realized that it's because it's pretty easy, in the way the questions are designed, to get into a middle point on most areas if you don't perceive or have an idea of what would be to have for example "very sharp shoulders" or "very narrow limbs", so you'd tend to get a lot of middle ground answers which the quiz would take as you being very balanced and getting any of the two classic body types. But in my experience balance is very uncommon when you observe people, everyone has features that tends to either one or another extreme, it's just that it's hard to assess what makes a bone particularly sharp or soft for example if you don't have a point of reference.

[@magnolia31611]

I think I’ve finally figured out which body type I’m closest to, and it’s TR, I have a few features that are slightly sharp, but definitely have double curve, and my shoulders are slightly sharp, but are too narrow to be SG, and my arms are very short in comparison to the rest of my body. My softness is also not based on my bone structure. I’m not moderate enough for SC, and naturals and dramatics are so far from my body type that I know for sure I’m definitely not either of those. I really liked when you said that we might have to settle for what is the closest even if it’s not exact. For instance, I think my face is actually closer to a soft gamine type mostly because I have a very sharp, and small nose, but even there most of my features on my face fall into the TR category. I mostly want to know these things so I can have a better idea of what lines will suit my body best because I always feel like my clothes are just not quite right, either too loose and big, too boxy, and sometimes it’s just that the fit is not quite right.

[@PrairieWoman6680]

Excellent video on the rabbit hole.😂 I’ve been in it for 11 years and I’m hoping someday I’ll get thrown a rope to climb out. Oh wait! You just threw me one. Everything you said was true especially that I can make my own decision. ❤

[@mariaokhapkina6971]

You have graceful hand movements ❤

[@emilyannamanda]

Oh my God, I want to be in this rabbit hole and do the same thing for myself because like I really have to look at my body objectively, but you think it be pretty easy to figure out since I’m 5’8” skinny

[@anasepetovska]

You’re videos are always great and I learn so much! I have some thoughts about your body type and your style… I think you can accommodate more yang than you give yourself permission to. More structure and more contrast in most outfits. Think about which outfits you’ve worn that you’ve felt very powerful in despite looking delicate etc. Anyways, have a good one!

[@patrycjam.6460]

I think the reason everyone is so confused is Kibbe himself, groups on the Internet and that we forget about sth important, the essence. Those new definitions of petite, broad, vertical and looking tall, thats crazy. It doesn't mean what it used to anymore. Your're not petite when your're obviously tiny for everyone and your're always the smallest person in a group 😅It's so obvious you have to buy clothes which follow your lines. You 'll immidiately see what looks off. I' ve been typed as a gamine (paid for that), theatrical romantic for sure and flamboyant natural too 😅 Plus Kibbe himself changing celebrities from one group to another. Is there anyone who really know this system?

[@lillearen2821]

Wow, I was not ready to know that being 171 sm automaticly gives me vertical. And not sure it does to be honest. My main complex always was that my legs look short and heavy.

[@smokee1325]

172 and I feel the same! I've heard there are a few outlier verified celebrities that break the height rule. I also have a really large head so I don't really think I look like I have vertical! it's proportional and frequently I look really short!

[@debbiesivertson817]

Great video and analysis!!! ❤❤❤

[@kaydunton9303]

I'm thinking a short cut would be to go to a store that has a range of clothes and in the dressing room take pictures of yourself wearing the outfits of each body type and the onye that you look the best in is probably it.

[@trompeta79]

So could you say Ellie-Jean could dress day to day as a soft classic and for big nights out as a theatrical romantic and both work but have different impacts and vibes? Seems like a good way to go about it and have fun.

[@NightFeline]

I'm either Dramatic or Classic Dramatic. Still confused, after about two years. What is certain is that I'm on the taller side and Yang dominant; other than that, I have no idea.

[@Jen-sp9yu]

I was so confused for a long time because the feedback I received was that I have no vertical, no width, no balance, no double curve, but I do have curve on my lower half. I guess I'm a weird long limbed soft gamine. 😅

[@naturallyingrid]

6:34 😂 what did you do?? 🤣

[@pinkroses135]

Improved it and stole the thunder 😂

[@elliejeanroyden]

All the information in the group has to be private, and of course I’ve made these social media pages so I can’t really stay (I’m just guessing, they never gave me an explicit reason). If that is the case, I think it’s completely fair - there are privileges of being in the group and I was well-aware of the contingencies - it’s just the way it goes! X

[@naturallyingrid]

@@elliejeanroyden that’s too bad. I’m sure you’d be such an asset to the group. Their loss!

[@anajankovic2523]

My process was rather similar to yours (except I was never accepted to the Strictly Kibbe group). The test results said pure Classic, but I figured I had more sharpness than pure C, so I typed myself DC. Then I learned of height restrictions. Since I was 5'9", I immediateley fell into the tall types group. I was typed SD by majority, some suspected I was pure D. I settled with SD after having some type resistance at the beginning, and started my style journey. After two years of practicing Kibbe, I see myself as a very yang SD, or somewhere in between of SD and D. For SD I have quite a lot of sharpness, but compared to pure Ds I look much softer. I need to blend in recommendations for both types to look my best. Some guidelines, that should distinguish between the two types, actually made me more confused at some point. For example, I wear both ornamental / costume and geometric jewelry equally well. I look best in geometric patterns, and sharp structured cuts, but I need the fabrics to be moderately soft. I look blah if I wear outfits that are too soft, but I look overwhelmed in overly sharp clothes. My style has changed, but not too much, in total: - my skirts are longer (below knees to midi length, as opposed to above knees lenght I used to wear) - I've almost entirely ditched the blazers and started collecting knee length cardigans, coatigans, and trench coats - I've discovered some new necklines that really flatter me (Carmen neckline, boat neckline, very narrow and deep V nekline, slightly asymmetrical neckline, for example) - I don't even try to include floral prints, polkadots, overly drapey cuts, overly stiff fabrics into my wardrobe anymore. I just know these won't work for me

[@australiafair5926]

I did Gabriella's test and I came up romantic when I am a soft dramatic. I'm 5'7" I'm not a romantic.

[@NoticeMeSenpaiii]

How do you see yourself objectively? I find it fairly easy to see kibbe in other people, but as soon as im looking at myself, I can't see _anything._

[@forgotmyun]

Being 5’8, luckily eliminated most of my options down to 3😂😂 I could eliminate D, but now SD and FN are incredibly close

[@annnnnnnnnn1188]

ooh love this! my journey started from youtube as well but from aly art's quiz video, and i got soft classic. for a couple of years i just stick with SC and not really questioned it hc it does fit to some extent i only dig deeper maybe 2 years ago? but only on youtube and went from SC to C, DC, and FN lol, and this was when i first learned about the vertical thing and i noticed in myself that i do need vertical accomodation despite being short and once i went on reddit and learned more i'm now kinda sticking with SD which honestly is one of the types that i would never consider myself in the beginning since it's gotten that mature and sensual aura i guess, and i happen to have an ingenue face lol what made me stick with SD for now is bc of the lines recommendations. i really do need the vertical bc if not i'd look like I'm bigger than I actually am, and a little bit of curve accomodation otherwise i'd drown in them 😂

[@Carrie-sgda]

I have always been between SG and TR and I had to just go with TR because the gamine lines didn't work on me at all but the TR ones work perfectly. I know kibbie wouldn't verify me as a TR if I went to him because I don't have double curve but if I don't accommodate for double curve I look off , I need the delicate narrowness and all of the softness in the fabric and lines. Where as, gamine lines such as A-line , boxy , straight , crew neck , lots of pattern , midi coats , pea coats. Not a single thing looks good on me and it seems to be to do with 1 I don't have the gamine essences giving that mischievous or boyish , pixie vibe/charm , secondly I have prominent curved coming from my bone structure and lastly my shoulders are very , delicately narrow , rounded with some sharpness and slightly sloped so they cannot carry anything boxy and crew necks just seem to enhance how sloped and delicate my shoulders are whilst making my chest/collarbone look odd ,almost as if the high line of the crew neck is making my chest look extended because shoulders aren't carrying the shape

[@ihay472]

I struggled with finding my kibbe ID for the longest time before giving up. Basically now I call myself a petite SC. I know I have to accommodate petite which means I can't be a SC. But I style myself exactly like SC so... I don't care anymore what my ID is, I claim this one.

[@caravanrose]

(To parody Saffy Monsoon) Red carpets everywhere (and our eyeballs) might heave a sigh of relief if celebrity stylists were trained in Kibbe body types!

[@malloriedavis1324]

Aly Art on youtube is an AMAZING resource as Well. I love her analyses.

[@korinajordan7819]

Hi, I'm wondering if you could make a video or post on what the combination of flower, fire, and sun style roots could look like. I think this is my combination but I have a hard time finding pieces and outfits that exhibit all three style roots. I'd really appreciate it, thanks! 🩷

[@cinnamonbun9849]

Thank you for this in-depth overview! May I ask what background music you used, it’s so soothingly upbeat

[@june7rose]

I would love Kibbe to explain why Kate Winslet is a romantic. She's 5'6, the cut off is 5'5. She has long arms and legs, big hands and feet. She wears a size 10 shoe. Yes, she's round and curvy, but so are theatrical romantics, soft dramatics, some flamboyant naturals like Kate Upton, etc. She doesn't have that smallness, that delicate bone structure that romantics have, regardless of weight. Oh well.

[@emswildworld]

I always thought I was classic but now I’m thinking I might be wrong 😮 I’m on the hunt now 🏃🏻‍♀️

[@adorablebelle]

Why did you get kicked out of the strictly kibbe community? We need a follow up video lol

[@YumeraChauque]

That info that says flamboyant natural are the most common type really depens where you live. Teatrical romantic is common where I live,I don't go a day without seeing a tr or romantic, soft types are common here. But this may sound like there is just rs or trs but the most rare here are dramatic. Simple bcs here are not too talk woman, soft dramatic is common too,flamboyant natural is common too,classics? (I don't know identifie😅) gamines, etc. The rare here is basicaly dramatic although I have a cousin who is dramatic, which became very easy ro rule out,and I am too short for it.