I use Ableton and I decided on maschine mk3 instead of push2. Here's why.

My person pros and cons on push 2 and maschine mk 3 and why i went with mk 3.
In this push 2 mk3 comparison I explain why I chose mk3 over push 2, hopefully this video helps you decide whether you need mk3 or if you need push 2.
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[@americoperez810]

For anyone watching this video for the first time in 2023 or beyond, a lot of the music making points in this video have been addressed. I use push 2 daily. You can 100% chop up samples, pitch them, warp them, do whatever to them using push 2. No need to touch your mouse or keyboard. The push 2 also has different pad modes that you can switch to. The mode she shows in the video is the step sequencer mode, which as the name implies, is used for sequencing sounds instead of live finger drumming. If you switch modes, you can enable the use of ALL of the pads to trigger samples for finger drumming. There are a few things you still cant do on push 2 without mouse and keyboard, but its pretty damn close. I took an online course that lasted 10 weeks where we did nothing but go through ALL of Abletons features and how to use those features on the Push 2. The Push 2 has ALOT of feature parity with mouse and keyboard. I also own a maschine MK3. If anyone is looking for one for cheap, let me know. I used it 3 times before I decided it wasnt the move.

[@moreorlesto]

Appreciate the brevity, deets and most of all the humour!! AND your track playing at the end!! Dope!

[@lilmissbeats]

thank you :)

[@JosieCarr]

Great vid and comparison! I agree on most points.

[@mikeyspikey001]

LOL straight to the point, love the comedy and sound effects, you the best! =)

[@RababaInc]

love this format

[@terraminor6676]

Cute sneeze, i like what you ideas are about both of the hardware, thanks

[@jacksp8de]

I love the maschine, had the maschine studio which was awesome but I tend to finish way more stuff with Push. I don't sample much but I actually find Ableton and Push more flexible with samples. I dont' mind using the mouse though. I am not a piano player so playing melodies on the Push pads is such a cheat code. The maschine software is going to get a major update this year so I'll see how that looks and may get a maschine for portability.

[@saripostolusa]

appreciate this video. Thank you!

[@JavierMares]

great video! thanks

[@killerheadphones728]

Great video! Push 1 user for years. Great info. Thanks for that

[@cubby6708]

Would you go for push 2 ? I sold push 1 for 2, but feel like I might buy push 1 again.

[@killerheadphones728]

@@cubby6708 i probably wont buy a push 2. I mean I guess the pads are better but I probably wont buy anything new until a new daw experience is created with a unique controller. I think we are on the verge of a new way of creating.

[@marcelvogel805]

well done video. thank you.

[@MusicalBasics]

I have the same thought as you, as a pianist - I wasn't a fan of the Push 2 either, gave it away in the end. Might look into the Maschine mk3. Because of this video I might get the maschine. Thanks for this great vid!

[@jammadamma]

You gave away a Push 2. That's generous! 👍

[@truetech4158]

@@jammadamma There is a waiting list to be on his friends list, lol.

[@mycosys]

Create the sharing society you wanna be part of, @@truetech4158 ! I have given away synths, and V collection, who knows what else, and people have given me racks (euro and 19"), audio interfaces, modules inc Eventide Euro DDL, Volca FM mk1 (they knew i really wanted it lol) etc etc etc. Just about everything else was silly deals from the wonderful wiggly community.

[@MahmoudALMeligy]

lol I like your short to the point funny comparison haha

[@ACSMusicSounds]

Thanks for your review, Can you please do a tutorial on how to vocal chop ?

[@kamikazi5144]

How do you finish the tracks in ableton, do you just send em over? also idk if Maschine would work better in conjunction with Logic Pro x...can't decide between that and Ableton. Btw for your keyboard do you use a komplete kontrol?

[@ElianaYeager]

Hey Maike, can you please elaborate on not enjoying the push 2’s workflow?

[@sativaviolet]

you are fantastic!!!!!!! i met that same crossroad... cheers from SF bay area Cali!!!

[@yusefandrews6620]

I did the same thing. Picked the Maschine over the push. The only thing that sucks is the maschine ableton integration

[@erickmartinez4380]

Have you tried live looping using the maschine mk3 and Ableton I really want to know if it’s possible

[@peiwei3873]

The trick is to use the usb cable if you want it sunced w ableton and dont use the power cable at the same time. Then they sync up.

[@VTGuilmonBeyblader]

Great vid here... quick point , you surely can warp and pitch shift samples on the push. You have access to all the settings of Sampler in fact!

[@lilmissbeats]

the sampling options working from hardware on maschine mk3 are much better, and provide much more detailed control.

[@Nisalz]

Thanks for the tips!

[@ceounicom]

I got push2 a few years ago and its great but i agree its not really a one-stop-shop workstation experience like working on an MPC, which i think is the workflow the Machine tries to recapture. But i always produced on rack samplers and computer sequencers in the (distant) past, so my existing attitude was that Push was closer to the way i'd always done things; it just provided more visibility into the sampler engine, and consolidated the kind of editing/sequencing process i'd otherwise had to flip back and forth between boxes to do. Yes, you can't do a lot of sample processing, but in my case i normally do most of my chops/edits before arranging /sequencing. By the time i'm using push, all i want to add is envelopes, effects, record automation, etc. And it does all those things pretty well. Agree about the buttons thing, its annoying. I dislike it when companies design products for cool-look vs. functionality. The lack of clearer indicators on buttons is sort of dumb. Tbh i think the differences are ultimately pretty minor. If someone is going from 100% 'in the box' to using some tool/controller like this, its still a big help/jump forward. And its better than things like Novation Circuit, which i know some people use.

[@johncitizen8828]

Agree with your assessment on every point, 100%. Maschine workflow is faster and more intuitive (for me!)... ...BUT finishing and arranging tracks in Maschine is painful, hence bouncing to Ableton. What’s your favourite workflow for getting your sketch pad ideas from Maschine into Ableton? Have you got a video covering this?

[@Dispatcher813]

Weird because I chop samples way better on the push than mashine and can warp each chop separately. For me personally I put mashine away for the push.I do agree the buttons on mashine are better and the browser. I am sticking with the push.

[@TeleporterM11]

How did the Maschine dumb crashes and freezes and blue screens work out for you ?.

[@MIHAO]

valid points here

[@TeleporterM11]

How do you deal with the Maschine software

[@dj_timoy]

your video style is so refreshing, this could have easily been like 15 minutes long with half the content!

[@edgi55]

Great video and thanks for the tips

[@256k_]

i spent years buying and selling gear to try to move away from ableton and DAWs and it was always super frustrating and never able to make more than small loops... i finally decided recently to accept reality and go back to ableton and it felt like home again i could do anything i wanted right away without having to run into weird friction points or stupid hacks or browsing online shops for more gear... i'm so used to mouse/keyboard with ableton that i do everything now with mouse and keyboard and really "program" music again... but i still believe i need to have a controller in order to interface better with ableton and ive always wanted a push for ages but the price is quite high for what you get and im still torn between it and mk3 since mk3 isn't just the hardware but it also comes with a lot of plugins and software (not just the ableton built in stuff which i exclusively use on ableton) i downloaded komplete start just to get familiar with the komplete environment and some of their software and going to try to use those to see how i like them... one ting that leads me to still consider the push is the notes page... i'm a complete ignorant when it comes to piano. i can't even play the happy birthday song :D i'm a bassist originally so i'm not used to a keybed at all... having a big scaled grid of notes makes me believe it would be a better interface than the 16 pads of the maschine... I have an old MPC as well but honestly i don't like its workflow. and integrating it with ableton would be a pain in the ass.

[@andreumateulamas]

MPC workflow sucks. I sold mine and concentrated on Ableton. 100 times more intuitive and better.

[@shiddybeets8490]

Can anyone point me in the right direction for the best was to import to ableton?

[@StermaPerma]

Thanks for the video. Literally having the same issue now. Will sell my push. I also play the piano and a maschine + midi keyboard seems unbeatable compared to the push.

[@truetech4158]

I have push1 and 2 and maschine studio with a roland fantom-s and a korg triton and a MPE enabled Jamstik studio midi guitar, along with the roland vg-88 and gr-33 and boss gt-3, and a roland vs1680 and its smaller 8 channel cousin. The devices can be mapped in various ways even for performance along with automation. Next is to either find a deal on a decent midi foot controller that is like with taurus pedals, though am thinking maybe trying to make one with a arduino and some chopped up hockey stick pieces and simple types of momentary or latchable switches. I am also interested in how MPE devices are made, and perhaps will 3d print a mold and framework for such reasons, because there is alot of potential with the MPE concept itself to further into other midi2 surfaces. The jamstik studio guitar isnt bad though as a MPE controller if you are guitarist first, its worth mentioning if anyone is considering this to replace a mouse.

[@adrianill1566]

they're different products for different applications?

[@Bashanvibe]

This is something to think about!!!! I owned the 1st generation of Machines now that i have an understanding of Abelton I want the Push2 but still thinking of the best choice!!!

[@nkosiedwards3796]

Do you mix in maschine? Or do you save all that for ableton? For example do you use maschine’s compression?

[@lilmissbeats]

I finish tracks in ableton. I do use maschine compressor sometimes when I'm jamming on maschine and I want to use the effect, but I haven't released anything on spotify that I finished in maschine. I've only ever used maschine for fun little beat ideas, and then moved on to ableton.

[@davidosolo]

I prefer the push 2 myself, but great review!

[@davidosolo]

@@lilmissbeats Hi Maike! It is not that one is better than the other, but for me personally, it is a better fit. If you basically use Ableton, the Ableton integration is important, indeed. As you said, you are a good piano player, so it is not for you, but for me, the larger amount of pads comes in very handy when jamming and/or trying out chord progressions. Finally, I think it is a good machine to process your samples, once you get used to it. However, I can agree with most of your points, like the extra power cable: that sucks big time, indeed.

[@smok3yinc]

Why not use the maschine software?

[@thomasbuhman2405]

woot!

[@cubby6708]

Did you test drive push 1 ? I had it for a long time, sold it for 2, but really think, it might be better.

[@lilmissbeats]

push 1 is a solid device! They both are solid, this video was just my preference. All 3 are great.

[@AndrewMacLaggan]

best. review. ever.

[@nigelhedges1692]

cool vid :)

[@peiwei3873]

I have maschine + it works great, but curious about push 2. Maschine also supports vsts now.

[@LV-bf5dx]

Is maschine compatible with ableton ?

[@epicon6]

I have had the MK3 since release and i absolutely love it!

[@gdavid9219]

Thanks for this video 👌🥰 I need your help decide between (Ableton Push vs Akai APC40 MKII And mashine mk3 ) using abelton live Daw i can’t test it in showroom during this time 😷 I will use to control my podcast recording like physical controller i need one to enjoy it and do it perfectly All i need is this Record my voice while insert some sound effect from the drum bottoms and play and stop my background music using it as mixer So quick brief my needs in this work surface -To record and edit in the same time -maybe some retouches after finishing recording if need it - i need it feels good and very accurate and smooth with knobs And easy to learn I am so geeky with the details But i need to feel confident when I get it Thank U see Ya 🖐😄🤩

[@Firstinversion899]

Concise & Funny!

[@rjabreu89]

You can edit individual samples with the push. load a sample, chop it using slice mode. then use the convert button to convert it into a drum rack. now you have all slices as individual samples but you can still see them in the context of the whole sample if needed and you basically now have all the controls you can have on a sample but at atomic/individual level. this is takes like seconds to do.

[@lilmissbeats]

you cannot edit the contents of a sample from the push. You cannot, once its in a drum rack, take out for instance a small slice from the middle of the sample. You cannot from the drum rack stretch the sample a little bit here or there. You are very limited in sample editing. You can actually do all of that in Maschine from the mk3. It's completely different. And offers way more control in that sense.

[@rjabreu89]

@@lilmissbeats I swear I just did this to validate it as its a feature I've used before but for a while now and it was also a misconception I had when I started using the Push 2: that the drum rack samples slices were "limited" . When you load a sample you have 1 simpler, when you slice and convert it into a drum rack, each slice becomes a separate simpler instance that also can still get parts of the original sample... Read through the docs and you will see it. I am happy to share step by step if you'd like to try as well :)

[@liammoore7122]

@@rjabreu89 Im interested

[@WillStufflebeam]

@@rjabreu89 I am *also* interested. Might you be willing to make us a video?

[@williamcraven5842]

Your explanation is so easy to understand, and you kept it short and sweet! Definitely a new sub

[@ndujamz]

I purchased Ableton Suite 9 yrs ago before Push came out, never made sense for me to get Push after owning Suite. Glad, cause I was able to observe other controllers or groovebox. Now waiting 4 SP404 mk2.

[@dj_timoy]

same, after learning the program with a mouse & keyboard, I felt like I didn't want to re-learn the program on a controller.. but now that I've got into the mc-707 groovebox (excellent "daw-less Ableton") to refresh my perspective on production, I'm really starting to look at the push 2 to accompany the mc-707 so I'm not ever reaching for a mouse when I'm in the flow, it hits different when you don't feel like you're tethered to a computer

[@Khordmaster]

1) love the editing on this video 2) love everything else about this video! Thanks 🙏🏾

[@chrisloren9363]

I'm on the fence about maschine. I use Ableton, and sometimes FL Studio if I'm feeling piano rolly, and the idea of needing to open maschine inside of another daw to use it with that daw is scary to me. Should I just take the plunge and stop being scared?

[@lilmissbeats]

maybe a straight up midi keyboard is what you'd enjoy?

[@mycosys]

TY for the inspiration btw = My main Q is why not both? I now have Maschine Jam & Mikro on their latest NI remote scripts, & beatstep on Beaststep_Q, and it feels like one big integrated Ableton console, its just wild. Push and MK3 seem like they wold be a mind-blowing combo, and face to face they take about the same backpack space as either.

[@xAngel03]

Hey, what do you think of the Machine+?

[@joshraab6808]

returnig mine, processor suckksss 3-4 tracks and it totally glitches.

[@robertito_dobbs]

Your editing = 👍🏻; my response = 🔔

[@eaman11]

Push is an instrument made to control Ableton, Maschine in an instrument to make music.

[@jerzboybeats9555]

I use both. They have some similarities. I like the fact if I can finish everything in Ableton

[@kingdommindset1462]

hi cousin! it's b from Jerz!

[@jerzboybeats9555]

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[@cdcdplayer]

Hey! Can you expand on this? You’re saying the push helps you finish tracks ?

[@jerzboybeats9555]

@@cdcdplayer the integration of Push makes it easy to tweak instead of using a mouse.

[@mufcmusic8514]

I agree with you totally

[@user-wc9hh3yx6x]

Ага. Ждите новый ролик через полгода как я вернулась к ableton push 2! А потом опять как я про него забыла. Подписывайтесь на канал жмите лайки.

[@urbannpa]

I have two Maschines in a closet the Original and MK 2, How long before that thing becomes a paper weight? Better hang on to that Push.

[@fijaystudio]

finally someone talking about comparison, not title baiting comparison and only doing beat vids

[@DeejayWilly]

2:45 the sneeze looooool

[@xiaoxia5]

i read that if you don't plug in the Push 2, the display is really dim. i just didn't think it was going to be that dim, wow!

[@bryantwalley]

When you said "improve your workflow" you said it all. Use the right tool for the job.

[@aloharay]

interested in your thoughts on this, but wow, way too much text in this video and it speeds by before it can be read fully. You may like new plus model and clips mode in Maschine

[@croco_beats]

Thanks for making a short video. Guys are adding unecessary stuff to fill up their vids

[@user-xj6xf5bf3j]

ive never seen anybody use the push for live performance in a satisfactory way

[@hereps]

Ok you convinced me, I'll wait for Push 3 then.

[@keithlee4963]

I want to wait for push 3 but I haven’t heard anything about it. I may just buy the push 2 and then sell it when 3 drops

[@amirdariobaharkoush3130]

i love you. amir.

[@DanielIvan707]

Maschine and Live is a beast! Get my ideas out and then finish in Live.

[@pommedapi3847]

Nice Video on the Point. Just a little comment the texts could stay 1 or 2 sec. longer so we have also time to read them :) but nice review

[@TheLankyJake]

So ideally you'd have both?

[@TheLankyJake]

@@lilmissbeats that would be epic. Thanks for the reply. ✌

[@dompoppadom9242]

with push can you really not warp and repitch samples? that seems like the most important thing

[@lilmissbeats]

you can but you are VERY limited in the options you have vs how you can chop, stretch, pitch shift samples and individual chops on maschine mk3.

[@dompoppadom9242]

@@lilmissbeats thanks for the reply and video!! Hmm im thinking twice about getting a push then..... I really can't tell whether hardware like this has any value for my generation of producers that have always done stuff on laptops but its always so enticing haha

[@sprk]

I can understand your preference for the Maschine. Except, you've barely touched "the surface" of the Push2 grid capabilities ;) It's not limited to 4x4 drumming. You can map 1 or many sounds to the whole 8x8 grid. It's a good thing you share and compare your way of working. It contributes. For new kids on the block, read a manual, yes the boring part :D, watch multiple review resources of both pro's and cons of the products. Go to a music store that has specialized people who can demonstrate the products. That way you learn the most important part: What are YOUR needs. Make the journey to your destiny just as fun as achieving the goal.

[@Drrolfski]

For an out-of-Ableton beat-making/sketch device, I would probably prefer the MPC Live II over the Maschine MK3 for its mobility and portability. As an Ableton DAW controller to supplement mouse and keyboard though, it doesn't get much better than the Push 2.

[@lilmissbeats]

yeah the push 2 integration is tops. can't argue with that! but for sketching, mk3!

[@MS7.7]

It's 2x the cost and I don't think they are comparable I just bought maschine mk3 and would love to buy live II in the future but it's completely a different beast. It's standalone and touch screen can make arrangements 10x times easier.

[@Drrolfski]

@@MS7.7 In the meantime, I've actually bought the MPC Live 2 and I can confirm it's an ideal sketching device outside of Ableton. Because I take it around and outside my house all the time while it still gives me all the functionality you would want from a DAW-in-a-box. And it works great with Ableton as well.

[@robertl.6031]

totally agree---;)

[@CodyJayMusic]

Your comedy is hilarious >-D

[@pygmalioninvenus6057]

...?

[@MOOTANT1]

Straight to the point - The Mootant approves and agrees with your observations.

[@AthanEvans]

Who made the video editing?😂😂

[@DJWOLFLIVE]

I also have them both and i totally agree with just about everything you said about them because i do like them both, i find that the MK3 is much more intuitive and has increased my music productions skills up by more than 75%!!! I'm cranking out 4 beats every night now. Same with the imaschine2 app!!!

[@drelephanttube]

You do know that you can put the pads into 64-pad mode on Push2, right? You don't have to stay in the bottom-left.

[@lilmissbeats]

yup but I only really like using 16 pads so I'd prefer less pads and more desk space.

[@susu-mi7kx]

Still have maschine mk2. Still worth it?.. which update?? Been reading people upgrading and and software not working. Please help. Also , have been trying to mk2controller in Ableton and don't know how. Help, have no work flow.

[@MordorMolle]

Well , this is my big problem : Push 2 with ableton is better for making full and complex electronic music songs , but , you need it allways plugged to a computer . Maschine MK3 is better for 'right now and in your face' tunes and sounds , but has no goot 'song mode' ... Why are those company's just not coming together and working together on 1 device with the best of the 2 different devices ? This would be better for the people who wants to buy it ! Like a new (Push 3 Maschine MK' or a 'Maschine Push 1' or something ... i am sure i would buy 1 right away !

[@diegonr1986]

❤

[@themostchillbro]

damn this is literally exactly me. I want the best of both worlds :(

[@marcosrotllan]

Pick a mpc one

[@tonybeatbutcher]

Ok stop at 0:30 sec just tap 2 times the "layout' button and you got the whole 64 pads to finger drum. To chop, warp, pitch shift etc... u mos def can do in Push 2 just use "Simpler" convert to "Drum_rack" etc...

[@lilmissbeats]

true. But I never use that many chops. :)

[@tonybeatbutcher]

@@lilmissbeats 1:59 Sample chopping was the most important, no ? I got a feeling maybe you didn't explored Push2 that much and that’s why you jumped over to an other tool, I recognize myself sometimes into that. Anyway, each musician prefers the tool he prefers. Some use Logic, some use Live, some use Protools, same with hardware. At the end it’s the creativity flow and the music u make that is the most imported.

[@lilmissbeats]

@@tonybeatbutcher i had the push for years. control over my sample chops was most important. mk3 definitely offers that better :)

[@FernieSenders]

made me lol and buy a maschine, well done

[@lilmissbeats]

lololol

[@josephnicholas9512]

i really wanted to like push 2. i just couldn't get into any kind of consistent workflow. coming from an MPC, not being able to select all pads and do global tuning felt like a dealbreaker. then having to navigate through subscreen after subscreen to change each pad to warp and complex got tiresome, not to mention it was much easier to do within the software.

[@Tritonuser]

ich bin extra wegen der samplemanipulation und natürlich der Zusammenarbeit mit ablton von Maschine auf push2 umgestiegen! was ich allerdings anmerken muss ich die miese Ausstattung des Push im arrangermode! Das ist echt mies! Hab es mit dem x Touch one kompensiert.

[@lilmissbeats]

Hey! Ich bin auch eine 'arrangement view' person, aber freue mich dass dein setup gut wirkt :)

[@dieauswandereruklondon2857]

Hi, the big problem is Maschine has no integration for Ableton and for a Ableton user is this a no go, u need config. all buttons etc. in Ableton, and this not funny... show please a workflow Maschine on Ableton ?

[@magnuseriksson8081]

What is your opinion today and what is better if you really can’t play the piano at all? ✨😃☀️🎶

[@lilmissbeats]

if you think you will use all the pads to play a midi instrument, and you use live session view alot and love ableton... maybe push2... it's personal preference... maybe a music store close to you will let you test out both?

[@magnuseriksson8081]

@@lilmissbeats I am not an Abelton guy so I think the Maschine is better for me

[@auroranamex5886]

Unfortunately, they both have flaws. Maschine is more fun for sure, though when it comes to finishing tracks it becomes not so fun at all. I ditched mine to get push2. And to be honest I miss maschine, but things I couldnt even work around with my dear mk3 I can do with push2.

[@franciscojaenvelazquez9582]

O also prefer it

[@eerereps]

Why not both? Yeeeeeeiy! Getting them + DDJ 1000

[@AdamCinemre]

"My workflow was pushed. Hahaa, "Push"" - LOL @ 1:29 / 4:38

[@Mikerty391]

Got the Maschine as a big Ableton user and I honestly couldn't believe how bad the Ableton/Maschine set up is. Completely agree that the Maschine is better served as a sketch pad and in that sense makes me wish I had a Maschine+ as a standalone and wouldn't need a computer.

[@MS7.7]

Me too but you can close the pc screen and use it just like Maschine+

[@zxsw85]

Almost pushhhhed ahha

[@FullFledged2010]

Well i use both of them. Maschine for drums and complex bass lines with multiple synths. The fact that you can put a separate synth on each pad is a total game changer! But arranging and mixing is so much better on ableton and the push kind of makes it easier. Or atleast more fun. The only issue i have is that when you use 2 instances of maschine in ableton i can only use one of them with the mk3... I mean they both work but the mk3 is locked to one instance. I do this because i want my drums and bass on 2 individual tracks. Please fix this ableton!!

[@rytmydjembe]

You can't on Maschine live looping using MIC.

[@westwalnutrecords]

It's really too bad Ableton didn't make a drum controller like maschine but for Ableton. I much prefer the bigger buttons

[@ComicAdrian]

On the Maschine you can switch to MIDI mode and use it as a generic midi drumpad without Maschine Software.

[@adrianill1566]

you're crazy