I used the Wrong Retrieve for YEARS! | Underwater Scrounger Head Bait Testing in Olympic Pool

In this video, I testing offshore scrounger heads in a 13ft deep Olympic swimming pool to determine the best swimbaits and the best retrieve. I also give tips and instruction on how to fish offshore structure with a Scrounger Head. Hope you enjoy!
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[@chrisfoley3320]

We mostly fish the scrounger / wobble heads uphill for that very reason you described. Try that and your catch rate will go up. Instead slowing down to maintain bottom, going uphill makes you speed up and speeding up gives you the action your looking for. Good video!

[@JoeTayMetal]

I don't usually comment but something you said at beginning got to me.. SO.. People should pay more attention and listen aka learn something rather than worrying about how you much you talk while on your channel also while trying to help us learn something. Sorry. Thanks for all you do. It's a commitment and I do appreciate your talks and demonstrations.

[@jacobanderson4101]

Others are offering constructive feedback, which may have been a blind spot for Fish the Moment. He should listen to feedback if he wants to see growth.

[@poststalone1496]

Jacob Anderson I went back to the other video because I was curious how many complained about him talking too much. It was just one comment, maybe others got deleted, but that one guy was just rude. Couldn’t sit through a couple minutes of him laying out the test. The rest where comments on him not mentioning the brands and camera angles. He talks about the brands this video so he is listening. Cameras are expensive so I didn’t expect much in that department.

[@poststalone1496]

So those complaining about you talking too much don’t want info on the baits, the retrieves, the action? Sounds like those viewers are on the wrong channel then. Please keep doing what you’re doing.

[@robertnolan8577]

You are really on to something with the pool/underwater filming....combined with your analysis of the retrieve vs action. There is nothing like this on the internet...you are setting a new standard. Looking forward to a full series on all the various lures out there. Thank you for your efforts!!

[@tunadoctorwong2443]

Just wanted to add my 2 cents. I fish the Scrounger heads a lot, mostly for inshore, saltwater bass in So. Cal. I used both the Jenko and Picasso Suijin 1 Oz. Mag. The standard bills on the Picasso are similar to the Jenko bills, so they seem to effect the tremor shad the same way with good side-to-side action at a steady, medium retrieve. When you scale down to the 5" tremor shad, the 1 Oz scrounger heads overpower the bait and you get a more pronounced, violent action. To adjust for this, I have found that you need to trim the sides of the bill approximately 1/8" on either side to make it narrow. It takes a few minutes in the pool or on the water to figure out how much you need to trim to get the bait to swim correctly. I have also used the 7" Z-Man Jerk Shadz on the 1 oz. heads, and for that bait to swim well, you do need to trim the bills also. Same for the Magnum Zoom Super Flukes, as they have similar weight and density as the Z-Man. The Picassos also come with additional bills, one thicker/stiffer and one thinner/more flexible. I haven't tried using the thinner blade on the smaller/lighter flukes yet. THIS DOES MEAN THAT YOU HAVE TO DEDICATE A SCROUNGER TO FISH A SPECIFIC BAIT (TRIMMED FOR SMALLER FLUKES AND UNTRIMMED FOR JENKO TREMOR SHAD, FOR EXAMPLE).

[@TheBaitmanTV]

You have / had the retrieve right. The best dude I’ve ever seen with it is Jake Lawrence. It’s not a steady retrieve because unlike a swimming pool there is Current..the scrounger will rise and it’s hard to keep on bottom. If it’s too heavy it doesn’t have the correct wobble once you add a bait. The Hog Farmer and Picasso Heads are very good. Good Video

[@tristanrausch143]

I would love to see you test the different heads. Such as the Picasso suijin, tremor head, And the one designed by Jason lambert (the stagger head). And possibly compare it to an original old scrounger head if you can get one.

[@ScuffedThumbZFishing]

That Picasso suijin is so killer!

[@jpipfishing]

Great video like always Jonny. I'm a college angler, and I think you have taught me more than anyone and helped change my mindset of how, when, and where to fish baits. The pros leave too much in the shadows and don't want to help new guys learn. I think videos like yours are the future of fishing.

[@mikedaley2882]

You're doing a great job jonny, u will never please everybody. You're clearly getting the message and instruction to your audience clearly. Keep it up

[@todddickinson3262]

Thanks for all of the effort you put into producing your content man! You really do a remarkable job, and you have a definite gift for teaching. All the best to you in 2020!

[@bigc8018]

As always, very methodical. Enjoyed.

[@tadeloach22]

You can not get your point across without your talking points. Keep up what you are doing. Both videos have been great and ver informative. You can't please everyone!

[@mikecraig5269]

Johnny, your videos remind me of my own teaching-style, wherein, I put a lot of heart into the topic to impart as much helpful information as possible to my students. I benefit from your videos every time I watch one. So well done.

[@yellostallion]

Fantastic thanks! Scroungers haven't been catching much for me but will try slower retrieve and different tails. Making a good video is way time consuming. Thanks for all u do 👍

[@BudjetBassin]

Love the pool test!Great information bro!!!

[@rodneyhanbaum697]

Great video! Two years ago I watched Jason Lambert exceed a 100 pound bag limit on Kentucky Lake!!! It was an amazing thing to witness. A record I believe in the FLW Circuit at the time!

[@paulbillups6359]

I really appreciate your elaborate and specific talking it is very helpful that's what I need to understand thank you.

[@cdub5738]

Great info man! Thanks.

[@Bri99r1]

Videos are awesome, Bud. Every fisherman wishes he/she had this resource. Great choice

[@ABTRANSPORT1987]

I throw a Zoom super fluke on my scrounger head on a 3/4 ounce in 12 to 15 feet of water here in Alabama and it works great for me. Great videos man keep them coming I look forward to the next one.

[@diybassfishing5757]

Great break down of the scrounger! Definitely keep experimenting with different lures weights rods blade sizes and cadence. There are so many different presentations with this jig its extremely versatile

[@TomBurris]

I like the very technical explanations.... Subscribed

[@nedstewart5523]

Keep up the good work and hang in there you are doing great. I find all your videos very informative and well done. The devil is in the details and you have those covered . Good luck and God bless!!

[@The_Bass_Stunters]

So glad to see this! I have struggled with this bait my self. Definitely got to stay away from boot tail swim baits on these. Even with the straight tail baits it’s seems the lighter sizes don’t work as well as the heavier versions. Seems to me these heads shine working through the lower to middle water column.

[@markmoretzfishing]

Love your video Johnny I’ve been playing around with the Scrounger for several months can’t wait for 45/50 % water down here on Pasquotank River 👍

[@sonofafisherman743]

Your always doing some great stuff still lovin’ the channel 👍

[@dennishodson990]

Thanks Jonny. I have a bunch of the scrounger heads ready for use in cleaner and less swift water than 300K FPS!! You just made the learning curve a whole lot shorter!!

[@barking.dog.productions1777]

Now I'm a fisherman. you are awesome!

[@ShobeBA]

Hey man just found your channel! I’m a self starter kayak guy that’s just been piecing it together for the last few years so I really dig the detail you go into with your instructionals. Keep it up the great work bro!

[@williej.allenjr.510]

Great informative video...as usual! I'd like to see you show us your jig fishing method and hair jig!

[@fredsolis1881]

Great video I have seen some videos where the boot tail as turned upside down and it had quite a different action keep doing this type of video I’m learning on all of them

[@bobfishnut]

That will work well. Do it on spinner baits too. I agree.

[@sandycohen9862]

Jon, you are 1 great teacher 👍

[@ukstorm2727]

Great video , I just started using the scrounger heads this winter, been using a 1/4 oz scrounger with a small paddle tail swimbait with great success, I know this goes against everything I was told but I haven't caught one fish with the jerky J but caught about 40 on the paddle tail including my PB 8-13

[@bobclark4183]

Great video!

[@johncaldwell706]

Awesome videos these under water videos are not easy to produce as solo producer. I appreciate the content and hard work you put into these videos

[@JohnK-dv7pb]

Love you videos. I think I'll stick with a swing jig if I want it on the bottom after watching the scrounger video.

[@jacobacosta210]

Great video,man 👍🏼

[@johnpetrea]

I’ve fished Scrounger Heads with flukes for several years especially over the top of grass and along weed lines

[@joshwhite9952]

We do the same here on the Tennessee River

[@dlvandusen]

Are you going to do Classic preview? Where you predict patterns? I mean, I’ll watch it. 😄

[@jamesbarron1202]

Loving the pool vids👍 I'd like to see another comparing different scrounger head brands like the newer Picasso vs the Jenko and others using a Jerky-J as a trailer. Picasso has a huge variety of styles with different types of bills.

[@hopewright228]

Thank you for content

[@joepatrick3720]

Great video!! As someone who fishes on Pickwick, the slow retrieve that is steady is what works best. You can pop your rod to make it dart a bit if you want to give it a different action, but in the summer when ledge fishing hits its finest those bass will hit it even going faster. I actually think keeping it a couple of feet off the bottom is best for this bait. You really don't want it dragging. Thanks for showing the different baits. It really helps when making purchases and knowing what action you are looking for in a bait.

[@bobfishnut]

You probably mean a soft sweeping retrieve with a gentle pop once or twice. Correct? What speed reel do you recommend using the bait?

[@joepatrick3720]

bobfishnut No it would be a slow retrieve. No sweeping. You don’t want to be at the back of your sweep and get a bite. You sweep your rod to set the hook on this like a chatterbait. Usually a 7:3:1 or close to that speed.

[@culprit1985]

If you get a flatter top scrounger plastic it works better for jigging in my experiences. Never seen pool shots of a scrounger. Thank you sir, great content!

[@jholl7339]

Nice style of video. Scroungers, to me, are very temperamental. I received one in a monthly box, and struggled to get good results. Seemed too easy for it to blow out. I eventually gave up on it. I'm guessing that's what a lot of others have done, too, which is probably why it never took off like it's sibling, the chatterbait. I think you touched on something, though, in trying a paddletail with it. I'd be interested to see how it reacts, if you rig the paddletail, upside down, like many do on a chatterbait. Anyway, keep the informative videos flowing! 🙂👍

[@crowejr77]

I've been fishing scroungers since the original one A Mart developed. The thickness of the plastic bill is key to the action of the bait. The originals had a softer bill, like the current Picasso head. It is night and day compared to the Jenko heads, that bill is thicker and stiff. The softer bill will create alot more action and side to side roll and with the proper retrieve speed, will feel like a crankbait almost. Jonny, give the Picasso a try w a straight tailed bait, no boot tail, and I think you will be pleasently surprised how much better it runs on retrieve. Love the content, keep it coming. 513

[@bobfishnut]

There are also long Bill's and short Bill's that give different action.

[@JohnK-dv7pb]

Try it with a fluke while you're at it. That's what they use around here.

[@dannoe1047]

One of the best on you tube

[@qaze0qaze045]

Good video you never mentioned how you attach the scrounger loop knot ? What type of clips ? Thx

[@hunting100100]

Awesome

[@brucer9409]

just getting into these scrounger heads and seen just a couple videos before yours. I think others have come to a pretty certain conclusion that the straight tails, whether they be specifically designed for scrounger heads or not, will work the best. The objective of these heads are to create that side to side body roll, and by using a boot-tail you're not letting the blade wag the bait because by forcing action to the tail its impeding and defeating what the blade was meant to do. Guys swear by flukes with these heads although they weren't designed for scrounger heads!

[@binkwood]

Cool video! One thing to consider in future videos of this kind is; the durometer, or the "stiffness" of the soft plastic being evaluated and/or compared. For example, the reason Keitech swimbaits have better action, both wiggle and side to side, than most of the Keitech knock-offs is they have a durometer properly matched to the specific size of the bait. In other words, the bigger Keitechs have stiffer plastisol than the smaller ones. It would have been interesting to know the durometer of the Jerky J compared to the Tremor Shad. Keep up the good work!

[@stephenkohut384]

The boot tail acts like a keel and limits the rolling action. The slender tapered tailed baits lack this and twist much easier along their long axis.

[@bobfishnut]

Cut off the boot and you'll have more action. Use a 7" or 8" boot style bait and it'll work well.

[@jimb6683]

More lights in your studio would be a good thing. Luv these vids

[@dong8307]

Great info and video! Need more light in your house video room.

[@tcoop616]

Oh, one other thing I forgot to mention in the last video comment. I would love to see you do one deep-diving crankbait with several different line types and weights.

[@tomday17]

Like the chest mounted GoPro video of your retrieve....tells me that I've been reeling too fast most of the time!

[@davidbrownell5441]

Hey Jonny... Love you new content but I hope that you will still do your lake map break downs.

[@culprit1985]

With the scroungers it is all about flash in your swim bait or craw trailer. It moves left to right so much that if you are using half glitter half just color it gives you that natural flash like a bait fish. One thing no one talks about is using it as a wake bait. Works good deep but works better as a wake bait in my opinion especially when looking for bed fish.

[@scotttaylor4566]

Bladed jigs. Different style- Terminator, strike king, jack hammer, elite. With trailers of different types as well. Maybe a couple videos there for you.

[@anthonyhunt1926]

the physics behind the difference in swim baits is the drag created by the boot tail, I would suggest your right in how you would use the two styles, in the same way you decide weather to use a wide wobble our tight wobble crank

[@derrickhouse7063]

this series is very interesting because a lot of the time what we feel doesn't mean the bait is doing what we want it to. I wonder how much of an impact gear ratios would have on this?

[@Arientis]

Really enjoying these! Now here’s a question. What temp is the pool at? I’ve seen how temp can affect lures like for example: jerkbaits. Maybe a future video could be jerkbaits from far away.

[@MLCAgaming]

Hey man can you link those custom baitcaster handles you use? i remember you did back a while in a video but i cannot find it anymore, i would really appreciate it!

[@colbyaudinwood560]

If you increase the weight of the head can you retrieve the bait a little faster and keep it on the bottom? This would allow the bait to have more action in deeper water.

[@woefman9467]

Hazadong shad with cut off boot tail is my next experiment

[@mullaney50]

Did u try a keitech or rage swimmer on scrouger head

[@TheMeester12]

It might be interesting to see what kind of action the scrounger head would put on a large worm with Summer headed our direction.

[@jasoncampbell9246]

Can you please address line twist? The bigger scrounged heads always twist my line really bad. I try to rig the swim bait as straight as possible but always twist my line.

[@woefman9467]

The heavy scrounger with jerky j works for lege guys , but I would research Aaron Martens he claims spent 30 yrs re inventing the bait. He frowns on boottails and key to scrounger is Aaron Saya diff water temps effect the bait bill. That is why he invented suijin. With changeable bills. I recently purchased every size and bill, because I feel Aaron is on to something.

[@codycanada460]

I should say my experience with scroungers have been alot more successful in current. I live in Alabama and we have alot of current on most of our lakes.

[@lloyds_fishingjournal]

I have a question...I fish shallow on braid and I notice my line would twist so much. It's recoverable at that point and I have to strip my line out. Why does my line keep twisting even though the bait is straight and the lip is aligned.

[@seansmith5082]

I have a ton of success with a 1/8 oz Scrounger head and a zoom fluke Jr. To me it shines as a shallow or suspended Bass lure. Definitely not on the bottom.

[@darrellgrant7615]

Watch some Aaron Martens videos. He’s the modern day expert with a scrounger.

[@kyleUT]

Off topic...wonder what the pool chlorine does to your line.

[@robertsimcox8185]

Looks similar to a Pulse swim jig except the plastic blade is behind the head of the jig.

[@BeyondTheBoundsOutdoors]

If you talk too much then they type too much....we are trying to get information out...if they want to read go join a forum...video comes with voice and audio

[@ScuffedThumbZFishing]

Tajj JJJ e the boo tail bait n turn it upside down. You will be amazed. I do it on the bladed jigs n it’s a game changer.

[@jeffparker8733]

The boot tails counter act what the scrounger head is made to do. Cut the boot off and you have the perfect trailer

[@dragonli1863]

So, what is difference between chatterbait VS scrouger jig?

[@bafishing8544]

Did you notice any line twist w/ these baits on a scrounger? I've come to find when slow retrieving, i get the good action but if i make a bad cast or am burning it in towards the end of my cast, I get a lot of twirling on the bait and it gives me a ton of line twist. Anyone else find something similar?

[@desert-timber-outdoors6577]

Suspended fish hanging right off an offshore hump would probably be best. Steady retrieve and when it gets off that shallow hump and out into the deeper water would probably crush them.

[@Kctfishn]

Im surprised you don't have problems with the bait spinning producing a bunch of line twist. I may be using the wrong brand 🤔

[@19ADAM80]

👍🏼

[@glenndaugherity6187]

Some people commenting maybe need to watch your video a couple times

[@freakincreeks6055]

Best action is from a ChatterBait they need to make them in clear if they already do I need to grab some

[@Outotune6wire]

What about a slower gear ratio?

[@sammoanboua4308]

How about at river below the dam

[@codycanada460]

Scroungers made to fish in current

[@michaels1423]

What’s the point of the short bill bs long bill?

[@kusland6786]

Ok, My English isn’t perfect and with so much talks i actually can’t make any choice of scrounger heads & baits. I am more confused than instructed; i Follow other channels and it is usually clear for me. Please keep it simple : 80% of your strength is in 20% of the data you gave here. Would like to see your swimming pool results on best combo scrounger heads for various situations (shallow, deep, slow to burning..) thanks

[@glxbe]

imagine being that lifeguard and possibly having 0 interest in fishing

[@anthonyhill3771]

No. Ideally the bait with castaic is a moving bait. Gear ratio is another factor. Jason lambert destroyed ky lake ledge fishing with jerky j and might I add I’m on staff with castaic. Pool has no current, no pool in the world I’ve seen is as smooth as a lake bottom. You can’t move the scrounged head side to side if it’s being prevented from movement on the pool. You bump into something you get reaction which leads to reaction strike. The water being pushed on scrounger head is why the kietech is reacting differently

[@C.Adams82]

I throw a scrounger head alot,year round, when fish are deep and on the bottom with a straight tail soft plastic jerkbait.The slower, the better in my experiences. The best tip I can give is use a barrel swivel on it. This bait is terrible for line twisting and the swivel will eliminate that

[@C.Adams82]

A 5:1:1 reel helps with having enough speed to give the bait action but slow enough to keep it down

[@DONT.BUY.MAJOR.CRAFT-BAD.RODS.]

Please. I dont understand why right handed reel when you can fish left handed reel and you dont have to change the rod of hand in every cast. In europe we fish with left handed and in japan and usa is right handed. Thank you from Spain.

[@scratch1990]

I killed them this past fall on the scrounger head with 5inch jerky j, check out my video. Great job Johnny. Putting out great content.

[@BassFishing10]

well the more u talk the more inf you can give so please talk away because im all EARS to listen and learn ive learned a ton from your videos

[@jimb6683]

Dropshot pls

[@tphvictims5101]

Drug ? Dragged Pulled along the bottom Crawled along the bottom

[@coloneljacobs2217]

I hate to be that guy, but I'm sorry to tell you that the only thing that you are gonna catch in an Olympic swimming pool is Micheal Phelps.

[@mannysplumbing4108]

Your standing on the wrong side of the pool, U should be in the deep side casting to the shallow like most of us do when in our bass boats.

[@flippin_with_phil4867]

Why didn’t you say what weight your using, can’t really go off this video with out that kind of info?