I've Built the HEAVIEST Toyota MR-S in the World

[@ryanleggott2716]

You should add cloth between the weights, acts like a mini shock and sound absorber. That way when you're screaming around the track you don't hear the inside of a gym in your car

[@christiandiepholz4042]

That’s a great idea! I agree, add cloth or thin rubber mats because it will definitely start to rattle after a few laps from the vibrations.

[@twrcrew8852]

for as smart as this youtuber is, he sure does some interesting things that have pretty common sense solutions he leaves out. lol

[@NoMoreBsPlease]

You would need like an inch of denim to make any real difference. Just trying to stop a license plate from rattling from a subwoofer is WAY harder than you'd think. He's far better off using 1/2" rubber matting.

[@franyelisbetancourt4095]

​@@NoMoreBsPlease😊

[@twrcrew8852]

@@NoMoreBsPlease harder? no. requires some thought? yes.

[@albertocalore2414]

Mark is becoming a very good host in no time! Good job man

[@Rose.Of.Hizaki]

*Marc

[@Ben0TheNeko]

*Mahc

[@danielcgomez]

agreed1

[@wr1ght939]

Mahrkc*

[@LMFAO5001]

Would you consider adding chasis braces? It would make the car stiffer and heavier. Maybe even a steel brush plate

[@craigsawyer6453]

I would put the ballast weight UNDER the car, as flat as possible, (lower weight = better handling) and move the stiffer springs to the front of that tail happy beast. Tuning the suspension means actually tuning it not just going with what Toyota did. That car needs more than just wider tires to not swap ends. You are so right about the chasis braces and heavy plate.

[@KNAPPAID]

Also thr weight should have been equal to ben' weight in right side , im counting 290lb and ben is 180lb i think. They should redistribute the rest of the ballast on the rear mid

[@brandonmiller9155]

@@KNAPPAIDyou’re forgetting the added weight of his seat and his racing gear, the seat alone will probably put him at 200, with the added weight of his helmet and other gear putting him at 210 at most. Still a little unbalanced but I’m sure it’ll be fine

[@KNAPPAID]

@@brandonmiller9155 yeah my bad i did

[@twrcrew8852]

@@craigsawyer6453 This is not an SW20. the ZZW30 has an extended wheelbase of almost a foot compared to the old MR2 and is very hard to swap ends with. It's far easier in an S2000. this is no Porsche 911 Turbo from 1978. You're exaggerating heavily based on myths made by older REAR engined cars and an MR2 that had a horrible weight distribution due to a cast iron block and far more weight nearer the rear axle.

[@Femo-ok]

How about fabricating some braces to make the chasis more rigid while adding some weight? Building some heavy duty underside metal skid plate (not a diffuser by the way *wink wink*) also could be a good way to add some more low CG ballast.

[@jp2246]

Ultimate Definitely wouldn't be enough but would be the place to start

[@hamsterbrigade]

I came here to comment this. I don't know why they didn't just go with bracing. The bracing available for this car is fairly extensive. Just build it in thick walled steel, you'll easily pick up a ton of weight that way.

[@evankirschenmann4653]

I like the idea of some underbody protection. Maybe a smooth underbody for better aero could also be added? With countersunk bolts so the car is still serviceable. It could help with aero.

[@pauledwards6446]

Why are you winking? Are you ok

[@Fenrasulfr]

​@@pauledwards6446I think he got something in his eye.

[@MrZotteltier]

Thank you for including the metric values ❤

[@mynt253]

THANK YOU for the kilogram conversions. They make watching a much smoother experience.

[@R03333]

What about the feathers conversion

[@mynt253]

Which is heavier? A kilogramme of steele, or a kilogramme of fethers?

[@dbb7_]

@@mynt253your mom

[@justinturner4850]

I’d love to see it all one color. Great video, great info, and great series, but I really wanna see the car painted!

[@CorpseExplosion]

Sight gag of Ben bulking throughout the ep was gold.

[@zenvirzan]

I feel like if you want to run 230whp, you'd want to use a 260whp capable engine (or more, depends on what the torque curve looks like) and detune it so that the peak power is the entire duration of the usable RPM range when shifting. In this case, unless there are rules to prevent this, wouldn't it make more sense to run this engine at 200hp, keep the additional weight out of it, and flatten the power band to ensure that you're at that 200hp peak for the entire upper RPM register or at least as much as possible? DBW makes this really easy and it seems like the obvious choice, because otherwise you're always being penalised for the extra weight, yet only at 230whp for a very small amount of time relatively speaking.

[@FCustureri]

Now this is the way to play the rules and was commonly done in other racing orgs, so much so that most of them now use average HP in the rules instead. GridLife has always been really wacky on their rulebook and classing though, just checked and looks like GLTC still only uses peak WHP with a % modifier based on displacement (and a few cherry picked examples) so he prob can detune the peak legally

[@thechris84567]

If you dig through the gridlife rules, they specifically forbid this. Not detuning the engine but abnormally flat torque/power curves.

[@FCustureri]

​@@thechris84567 Reading through the 2023 GLTC rules states this, which sounds like they just use the displacement modifiers now as Ben showed? There also was a section above which assumed an additional modifier for detuning, but is now crossed out. "Based on the prior 4years of judgment and analysis of percentages of engine detunes, nondetunes, and types, it has been determined that in 2023 certain engines and sizes will receive modifier percentages inline with what has been judged to be effective for parity based on historical data. This percentage may change for certain brackets or engine families, as needed at any time."

[@FCustureri]

And this is the now crossed -out section regarding HP curve and detuning "Analysis will take place, and an assessment of powerband detune modifier will be assigned."

[@thechris84567]

@@FCustureri good to know, guess I haven’t looked at the rules in a while

[@heyitsfranklynn168]

I think the carrara gt and the McLaren f1 proved you cant do an awesome power to weight ration in a mid engine car on the track without massive amounts of down force.

[@etruth.]

Mc F1 had underbody fans that produced a lot of downforce

[@omarrascon4872]

We need a new series dedicated to Mark's s2000 build! He is killing it

[@antonzahurdaiev4823]

Hi guys, thank you for the metric system numbers! You can laugh on this but now it is much easier to understand, good job!❤

[@MrToolean]

Restrictor plate to knock the peak down and make like 210 for a much wider range.

[@aaronhall7740]

This would be a great way of having to add less weight and not losing all of the engines performance

[@Kerbhunter_Alex]

Since you guys didn't display the weight of the car in feathers, i'll do it for you. The car weighs around 1'008'000'000 feathers.

[@Atsah]

If you ever want to push stupid amounts of power in the MR2, there’s a guy based here in the U.K. called StavTech on KZbin who’s worked out swap kits for 1.8t, VR5 and VR6s with both DSG and manual. Which means you can push past 1600+ without any subframe modifications or serious bulkhead work(I say that only because it’s easier to make part of the bulkhead rivnuted to be able to remove it when you need to work on the intake side of the engine). He’s got a fairly stock 1.8t one pushing over 500 on pump fuel rn, obviously the issue with your car isnt power it’s suspension/arb/tires (or a combination of all 3) but it’s possible to make these 3rd gen MR2s fking rapid without that much work!

[@threepotMR2]

I'm a 2ar-fxe spyder owner, hello :) If your bhp figure isn't accurate, e.g. those dyno figures over read your power, then right now your ballasting yourself to slow down the horse power you don't really have. A really good idea would be to dyno it at a few different places and see how the power figures compare. Ballasting for power you don't will make you very noncompetitive indeed! Mine only makes about 166hp at the wheels, and 200 at the flywheel. Its a fast car though, 13.3 second quarter mile on road tarmac and 4.45 second 0-60.

[@mustang_5197]

so much negativity in the comments on this one, i know the gridlife/track thing spoiled the final look of the car but it’s the journey that makes it special in the first place. Don’t let people be negative behind their screens and keep doing what you’re doing!

[@evankirschenmann4653]

I commented this in a reply, but I like the idea of some underbody protection. A smooth underbody for better aero could also be added, with countersunk bolts so the car is still serviceable. It would add weight down low.

[@brandonmiller9155]

But would it give him a penalty and make him need to add more weight?

[@evankirschenmann4653]

@@brandonmiller9155 Not sure. Good to check. You can make an underbody REEEAL heavy though. Esp with thick steel.

[@KaiVael]

Came here to comment this.

[@alekonicolacakis7002]

@@evankirschenmann4653 that way all the weight ur adding is also literally about as far down low as it can be, and is also spread out super niceley

[@austinphillips5115]

Unfortunately that isn’t allowed in GLTC. But it would be a big help.

[@elliot438bcfcVTEC]

It would have been interesting if you did some acceleration and braking tests before and after

[@robwatson3600]

You should do what the world rally championship cars do. They have an air restrictor and HP limit, so they make crazy torque and RPM limit the engine to stay under the ~350 HP limit.

[@Thee_Snow_Wolf]

That only works with turbo cars. Also Gridlife has a thing in the rules that prohibits having too flat a torque curve.

[@Levibetz]

They've thought of that, there's a weight penalty for too flat a power curve.

[@pumafeet10]

Put some of the interior back in, make it more comfortable to drive and gain some weight

[@HeinousinAppearance]

I just want you to know naming it "Skip if your Tik-Tok brained" is what kept me from skipping it.

[@RachelWolfe]

Love the cutting back and forth between work on the car and Tall Ben's mukbang

[@BlahBluBlu69]

Me watching your video at 6:17am on a Saturday morning 👁️👅👁️

[@dudefromlaveenaz]

Damn.... i wish i know about the shark stuff, i just got my cage sanded, cleaned and primered.

[@MrEujoo]

Put the dash back lol

[@sooyster4033]

"Appeasing the metric elitists" 🤣🤣 I appreciate how you were eating at all times during the shoot

[@ihashinc567]

I would add more factory interior back to the car. Make it look like a street car to make weight

[@enso3140]

For a quick and dirty way to achieve the regulation demands that does seem like a good plan in the limited time frame.but i would do things a little bit differently instead of just directly adding ballast. 1- Since the rules consider the peak HP i would try to work a new tune with lower timing in the peak of the hp curve to have for example a constant 215hp in the rpm range you are gonna race instead of a 230hp peak. 2- Considering the car gets weighted with the tank empty instead of full in combination with #1 since e85 is not only has a higher density in weight but a lower density in energy going back to gasoline would allow you to run less fuel and most importantly less weight during the race and that's important especially when you consider as said before fuel weight does not affect the minimal weight. 3- Although the car has a cage already if you are already adding weight why not add it in the form of chassis bracing to improve rigidity as a consequence at the end of the day as much as the zz30 chassis is great it still is 25 years old so every bit of bracing is better that gym weights and if it is connecting points like sub-frame/suspension mounts an the bottom of the car is pretty much the best place to add weight. 4- with everything done as great as the single ballast mount looks great you are still raising that weight rising you center of gravity so bolt those to the floor and in two places for the lowest mounting location possible. and those are just simple observations without reading or knowing anything from the rulebook if you guys really wanna be competitive im SURE there is a lot more that can be exploited

[@TheHeartless917]

I dont hate this. back in 2015 a friend of mine actually did something similar to this. it was an ek9 that he aded almost 115kg of weight for handling and it does make a difference

[@miles7025]

man, cant wait to see it in action!

[@speedacademydave]

I have the perfect fix for the weight problem: build a K swapped FR-S or RX-8 and immediately sell this death trap of a MR-S 😂

[@john_F1266]

Praying to god that if he ditches this he goes Rx-8 so this channel doesn't become 86/FRS/BRZ build channel #956.

[@mitchell-wallisforce7859]

😴😴😴😴😴 If they wanna try to make it competitive, let 'em try. It may be a death trap but it's interesting. I haven't seen an MR-S show up to GLTC yet, and I've seen a billion K-swaps.

[@speedacademydave]

@@mitchell-wallisforce7859 👍 I'm just busting Ben's balls (we're friends IRL), I'm all for the MR-S build, I've been wanting to build one myself for years.

[@mitchell-wallisforce7859]

@@speedacademydave Ah. Figures a Speed Academy dude would be friends with a G&G dude. That's instance #869 of me not picking up a joke. I almost wanna ask where SA's Targa Newfoundland FRS is, but that'd probably be 1000lbs short and 20hp over being legal XD

[@cuconatparfour665]

I like how you turn that shitbox MR2 to a fast shitbox MR2

[@sythenalpha2037]

also couldnt you add bias weight to the front corners to change the front rear bias of the mr2

[@arielxaber6637]

you guys could have turned the addition weight into mass damper. And also you can add the weight in form of chassis reinforcements. just my opinion .

[@doctormosfet]

How do they keep people from cheating the horsepower compensation by using a dyno which underestimates horsepower?

[@willlucas1032]

lead is your best friend in this case

[@justincuellar3101]

This car needs a wing like the mr2 from the best motoring vids, keiichi said it was key

[@yur1831]

Putting the ballast in a way to make 50-50 distribution and a rear wing would make it godly, basically a build alike the Tecno Pro Spirits MR-S featured on BestMotoring Togue Showdown

[@abattlescar]

@@yur1831 But that car also weighs at least 600 lbs less.

[@jmsq92]

I love the time tags , almost chocked on coffee when i saw "Skip if you're tik tok brained"

[@ajwright5512]

Any reason you welded the whole basket in, rather than welding in brackets so it could be removed?

[@JustCurious-ne5sb]

This is exactly how the fastest racers in GT7 PP online lobbies win. They ballast the cars up to max weight for max power in a given PP limit. The results are absurd and the PP system is rendered useless as the rewards are Immense with little downside, especially when you consider most PP races do not have tire wear or penalties.

[@natepotter1709]

Just put 350Z badges on it and it will instantly gain like 4000 lbs

[@jrbuch]

I remember the R32-GTR Skylines setup by Gibson Motorsport that were competing in Bathurst, Australia back in the day had weight added. And they still won convincingly.

[@garnetheron4885]

Those wheels would look great on my mini Cooper

[@Swermie]

I can’t wait for the return of Len Bin.

[@dabjabar]

Have the same steering wheel. It was a mistake. Too flat of a bottom. Sucks when making hand over hand fast corrections. Exchange it for a round wheel before you use it.

[@adilmehmood1199s]

Am I the only one who is being bothered by them not paying attention to the exterior paint? 😅

[@swecreations]

Add an aerodynamic undertray! Free top speed, reduces lift and adds weight at the lowest possible point of the car!

[@dhkz6115]

3sgte

[@jellofuel]

weight a minute, you can't add weight to the car, you'll make a giant mass of yourself

[@Fyxxterzc]

You really need to play with your spring rates. One of the previous episodes you stated the spring rates you were running and they were basically fwd setup rates. You need some softer rear rates or higher front rates. You will keep snap oversteering with higher rear rates.

[@spreilly71]

No this is what valving on suspension is for. Heavier spring to support heavier weight. Past that is anti rill bars, tires, corner balancing, dampening, and even aero.I do still think he might need more spring in both front and rear based on other mrs builds but I suppose time will tell. My curiosity is more on front roll center

[@kronkite1530]

My (lighter) AW11 ran with carefully valved shocks and 450lb/in front and 325lb/in rears as per the advice of the very experienced race team/builder - contrary to what many others said or did on theirs at the time, who all seemed to go softer front than rear. The handling was sublime - pinpoint precision, virtually zero understeer yet a trustworthy and faithful rear (though it did also have a functional/ adjustable rear wing built by an ex aerospace guy), and that on relatively awful tyres available / affordable back then.

[@justins4274]

Honestly, I don’t think this dude can win in that car.

[@dustinkaviani]

Needs to be sold

[@LmaoZeroGN]

Yeah im not feeling this car at all, especially since Advanced already showed off how the wrap looks (didnt like it on the evo either)

[@Genno1012]

Ya it’s unthreatening heaviest and ugliest mr2

[@ethannn_9965]

I think we all know this but it’s at least fun to watch him try

[@mouaem1]

Should've stuck to the Evo but my opinion is biased as well lol

[@LaGantoise]

I'd put some interiour bits back in.

[@WarriorsPhoto]

Yeah watching Ben eat all that unhealthy food made me rethink my life. 😢 Thank you Ben. 😂

[@ClaytonYatescarenthusiast]

What about a flat bottom use metal?

[@tygard11]

When is the next road trip???

[@IdEk5627]

I think i should add a cool suit. That would add weights thats useable. And keep u cool

[@monitionYT]

Thanks for the kilogram, appreciate that

[@mokujin6507]

SUGGESTION: Why not fill steel pipe with concrete then somewhat insert the pipe in sill plate(rocker panel) or main frame... So the weight will be in lowest, and distribute "evenly"

[@simon9548]

Yeah putting the added weight in the shape of a tower seems like the worst possible solution

[@collinwiedel]

Wouldn’t allow you to really balance the car to a proper corner weight

[@mokujin6507]

@@collinwiedel maybe make the pipe in sction and had modulAr system like in weight lift?

[@mokujin6507]

Or maybe concrete in subframe?

[@PetersPan24]

Next week: colab with Nikko Avocado

[@jimchance5006]

Not RHD, not factory lsd 6 speed, not Euro market, not an MR-S. It's an MR2. Calling it an MR-S is like pretending my 98 Corolla is an AWD Sprinter Carib.

[@GravitechCentral]

I was thinking exactly the same XD Also I'd take a few more lessons in how to drive an mr2 before entering a series.. that'll help handling lol

[@lander917]

This Ben is literally in a cognitive decline. 😂

[@Truulovemotorsports]

I’m trying to sell my k24/k20 mr-s. I’d let y’all borrow it to compare to your mr-s and civic, put both your cars on moon tune and remove all weight ballast. Would make a good video and help my car get sold

[@Truulovemotorsports]

Vote this comment up so they see it

[@njpme]

I died when I saw "skip if you're tiktok brained" 😂😂

[@thitakapa9]

If you swapped it to 2zz you could make it weight 900 kg ,well balanced and cost effective

[@ryanbrown918]

Still wish they had done this swap, as it's still the best setup for a track spec MR-S

[@thitakapa9]

@ryanbrown918 this engine is very light...thats why lotus chose it for elise

[@KNAPPAID]

While its lightweight , theres better option in the similar hp/weight spectrum. Just like any spectrum , there is too light and too heavy , 900kg and the 2zz would be on the 'too light' spectrum

[@TougeTime]

He would need like 5 motors a season lol

[@PhilippinesLife101]

Add some heavy duty sound deadening material that should add some weight and creature comfort.

[@MishraArtificer]

"How do we add 400lbs to the car?" Um...passenger seat, full interior, and a removable hardtop. (Do they make hardtops in steel for the MR-S?)

[@austinderouchie5950]

You should look into a cusco breastplate for the car. helps a bit and gives you street cred. they cost like 130 bux, helps tie the underside together

[@crxtodd16]

Run it without a rear sway bar? (Can't tell if Ben has one in there or not)

[@stilllmkp]

he does have one

[@crxtodd16]

@@stilllmkp Am I the only one who thinks he should remove it?

[@transamericanlife]

Why did you mount the weight so far forward?

[@theyoungsause4928]

I love the series. I love the car, but for the love of God, please, please make it look like a race car & not one of my backyard projects 😭😭

[@Canuckrz]

I get it for the rules, but boy those power to weight requirements seem really stringent. Almost makes it pointless to start with a light car, other than the ability to put the weight where you want it.

[@TundeEszlari]

I love your videos, you are very good KZbinrs.❤

[@spreilly71]

I gotta know what y'all are doing for roll center on the front struts

[@AndrewMalkin]

If you wrap or paint the car, that should add some of the weight you need.

[@TorqueTestChannel]

About 6lbs worth, so just need to wrap it 25 times!

[@AndrewMalkin]

@@TorqueTestChannel Every little bit adds up.

[@michaellk2254]

Those plates are absolutely expensive.

[@theknifeknerd]

Fill the cage with something weighty to try and keep some balance.

[@UnknownUser_0000]

This.

[@refreshingbeverage5936]

Ben has reached peak satire in this episode.

[@Andres26B]

Why not just clear coat the cage so you can have exposed metal look ?

[@Jack2421992]

You cant apply clear coat on bare metal because it wont adhere well and would flake off faster. Consider flex when under load.

[@TougeTime]

It's already cut but u can do camber from below or get offset top hat. Good luck with thicc mrs

[@calvinlundgren4056]

I would like to see you add a rear wing to stop oversteering. Try moving the weight around front/ rear / middle and just see what works best. This with the wing and some bigger rear tire might fix the issue.

[@supers0nic77]

I hope you get the handling sorted out because it's the car's best feature. Lots of other folks have success with this chassis on track

[@asparceproton1]

Good to see Ben in his Brad Pitt era

[@richardkoo7869]

Ben Lin's sense of humor is underrated.

[@BjornFSE]

@16:17 lol all that eating is not going to make you gain as much weight as Gyming lol. Muscle weighs way more than fat, and just like the car got some lifting weights in her, you should consider going to the gym and get a mass gainer and put in some work, it's healthy and you will gain those lbs.

[@av._.]

hi

[@StanleyKubick1]

I think you're right, but that just means you have the wrong chassis for the class

[@panzerveps]

Nice to see how much it weighs in £, but what about $?

[@kronkite1530]

Re. Adding weight - based on my experience of building a track going/race AW11 MR2 using parts from a very modified dedicated GT Class race car donor - wouldn’t you gain more (eventually?) by adding weight via: Fully seam welding the entire shell (I had mine done by a v. respected rally prep. company - literally welded all round the car & made it so much stiffer as a platform) Further adding to/ fully triangulating the cage including extensions to suspension points, engine mounts etc. (ditto, on mine) Strengthening key points like suspension towers, fixing points etc. and adding chassis braces to floor pan, strut towers (unless using the cage for that?), steering rack etc. Using bigger, heavier, stronger ball joints, fixings, hubs, brakes Then ballasting up as necessary with weight mounted to help weight distribution … rather than just adding plates. Mine was so stiff as a platform and so closely corner weighted front to back and side to side that it could run much stiffer suspension than normal (advised) and helped steering feel, precision, turn in etc. that once set up by the builders (a top notch race car builder/renovator in the Formula and Sports Racing arena) it was not only lovely to drive but was competitive with cars with much greater power. Just a thought(s)!

[@twrcrew8852]

This racing class sounds like an absolute joke. "so that it's fAiR" sounds like why they make it such a horrible power to weight ratio because they know most cars made in america are absolute pigs and anyone with a decent weight savings would annihilate everyone else. It sounds like these are also rules set by 250lb Mcgriddles that all own big heavy cars that got mad once about a civic beating them so they had to make the rule to make it GROSSLY underpowered if it were to weigh less. eliminating the incentive and locking out the possibility. 230whp at 2800lbs is a sunroof equipped leather 240sx S14 with a bone stock SR20 and a light bump with nothing else done to it or a base FR-S. It essentially defeats the entire purpose of you owning a ZZW30 to make it weigh the same as an SW20.

[@sportbikejesus]

This isn’t surprising. Below 60ish mph, it’s power to weight. But how much time will a race car be under 60 mph? Not a lot. Above 60ish, it’s about the power to drag ratio. Drag remains constant regardless of ballast so trading weight for power makes you faster all the time speed is over 60. Also, they get to use more tire which will easily offset the weight in the corners. This is because the force formulas for cornering and traction both have mass as a linear component. Add 100 lbs of weight and the effect on cornering is equal but opposite to the positive effect on traction. This equivalence is assuming identical tires! The only other factor not accounted for is that extra weight reduces the tires’ ability to chemically bond with the road surface. This is non-zero but it’s minimal. While this would be a small hit if the tires were kept the same, they’re not. The rules allow more tire for the extra weight which easily overcomes the chemical bonding trade off and the net is higher cornering speeds. So while losing weight is good ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL, in this case things aren’t equal and the rules favor heavier cars.

[@AaronHendu]

Paint or wrap it that Autobacs bright red orange color...it would look amazing.

[@josephmatuszak3855]

You got like a whole offensive lineman in that MR2 for ballast!

[@Jcharres1]

How about friends of Gears and Gasoline, I have a question about the height of the suspension of my vehicle, I have installed lowers springs Skunk2, but I want to gain height without changing the lowers. What can I do?

[@cooluser23]

Why so far forward and not closer to the firewall?

[@kevjam79]

Hey Ben. If you’re interested in lead ingots for ballast, give me a shout. I work for a company that manufactures them every day. 60 and 100 pound versions.

[@TarzanGTI]

Something I did to cut my strut mounting area is use a hydraulic knockout punch kit on my MK7 GTI to get more camber adjustment without dismounting the coil-overs. Worked extremely well and cut a clean hole.

[@muhammadumar2529]

Hello Ben’s, I love your content.. but please upload more videos per week.. I literally open your channel everyday to see if something new is uploaded.😂❤️❤️🚗

[@brantbrown49]

Love the vid, but I’m sick and was watching this in a library when I should’ve been doing homework and I legit started to fall asleep during your Kahn Academy section

[@snipesy]

1/4 in steel floor pan on the Mr2: Add 400ish pounds, AND drop that center of gravity right down. BOOM next question 😂

[@stevenpan5800]

snap over steer isnt nearly as bad if you use proper braking zones and try not to drive like a fwd or awd car. seems like in this case, its more the driver input than the platform. its a mr, not a rr platform, you might not survive one lap if you drive a porsche the same way you drive a mr2 spyder.... spyder is really not that rear heavy 47/53 weight distribution you just need a lot more seat time and probably a better alignment