I Want More From Space Marine 2

[@samuelhaynes1780]

Tbh, the PvE mode reminds me of ME3 Online when that was out. Sure, it could be repetitive, but it was still a ton of fun to play and a lot of ways to build your characters and try out new things. Space Marines already has a solid foundation. If they just keep building up on it, this can be really great.

[@The_Babe]

ME3 co-op is the GOAT ngl

[@u-mos8820]

yo I thought the same thing. ME3 multiplayer was ignored or not popular but I thought it was a very good use of the game's engine for a different play style. Seems like SM2 has 3 aspects that each on its' own may be under whelming but if you dip into 2 or 3 feels better.

[@AchillesFeel]

EXACTLY

[@thomaswilson8022]

Preach! ME3 mixed with gears of war 3. I loved me3 multi-player man, ya it was samey but sooo much fun. Match making was ten times easier and idk why it so hard to get into a 3 man squad without having friends in space marine 2. Hopefully it's fixed soon, I just wanna play some missions and level my classes

[@galeforcebeach]

Darktide and vermintide tho

[@bruce1947]

this game has so much potential. I really hope they stick with it.

[@xXturbo86Xx]

Indeed it has but Saber is running multiple projects at the same time, so don't expect them to actually harness that potential.

[@cirescythe]

They do. There is a roadmap. They secured more funding to ramp up content. The devs are super active and answer questions about updates and are open for suggestions. Reporting on that, of course, is too much to ask for rattatawhatever.

[@stormlives6051]

The original game had a co-op DLC called Chaos Unleashed that added the option to play as heretic astartes in the horde mode, against some new enemy units including Imperial Guard. I really hope Operations gets a similar update with full chaos customization.

[@alxsblv6164]

*flashbacks of single guardsman eating a clip of bolts to the face*

[@retroicdescent]

​@@alxsblv6164 *Guardsman Sergeants going toe to toe with my chainsword wielding Nightlord Raptor intensifies*

[@ZephyrusAsmodeus]

A someone who always mains chaos, there's an unbelievable lack of chaos options in SM2, apart from a lack of more content so far, the lack of chaos options is by far my biggest gripe

[@Mantelar]

I want PvP golden throne with mobs running around. Or PVE with the goal of getting the highest global score. Stuff like that. If they can put a dozen players in game against one another, they’re wasting the opportunity for massive PvE battles I want to die on wave 11 where me and a dozen other people die gloriously against four simultaneous major bosses

[@ZephyrusAsmodeus]

@Mantelar Horde mode is on the docket, and it's by far the thing I'm looking forward to the most. Unfortunately, it's also the deepest into the future of the road map, so the wait will be rough.

[@soulhammer]

There's been a number of these games that are solid release but can be supported with DLC without going down the live service game completely. This and Granblue Fantasy Relink really stand out. The Monster Hunter formula is underrated as a way to continue a game. It would be a shame for such titles to just vanish when they have so much potential.

[@thedingleberrybush6076]

*DD2 enters the chat*

[@proggz39]

@@thedingleberrybush6076dude nobody know what DD2 means without looking it up

[@CJ-wh7ik]

It's not about potential. Go buy skins or ultimate edition if you want game to pump content.

[@thedingleberrybush6076]

@@proggz39 Dragons Dogma 2. Ratatoskr has covered the game extensively on this channel and I like a lot of fans of it feel it has too much potential that could go to the waste if they don’t add to it in a meaningful way.

[@soulhammer]

@@CJ-wh7ik Yes and no. Ultimate editions are quite pricey for a majority of people. In this case, if you don't care about space smurfs then I don't see how the cosmetics will make it worth it? Battlepass promises are all fine and dandy but too many times customers have been burned by them. Gold Edition seems like a better option tbh.

[@saithvenomdrone]

I'd love to see this game continue to offer more story, operations, etc. Oh, and I need a beaky helmet. I don't care that Primaris marines don't wear them. Mine will.

[@thearchives1094]

Raven guard?

[@dumbname1961]

Doesnt raven guards all wear beak helmet

[@itsyaboiguzma]

No raven guard cosmetics hurt my soul

[@saithvenomdrone]

@@dumbname1961 do their primaries marines (if they have any) wear them? We play as the newer kinds of space marines in the game and have been told by a friend who is much more into 40k than me that primaries marines don’t wear the same stuff as the older gens.

[@salvatoredanunciacao7770]

Primaris do wear them, especially if they cross the Rubicon, which is when a Forstborn is turned into a Primaris. Also, yea, the Raven Guard exists.

[@GFMarine]

I played the campaign with two other friends who are also fans of 40K and the last few levels was some of the hypest shit I've ever been a part of, (Spoilers from here on) From the rallying last stand referencing 2nd edition, to motherfucking Calgar doing a drive-by on the mouth of a Thunderhawk, a lot of hootin' and hollerin' happened at 2 AM, fucking love this game.

[@aaronhumphrey3514]

Yeah, that campaign is pure awesome for 40k fans. Honestly the campaign alone is probably worth the full purchase price. It's just that good.

[@meodrac]

The final mission was indeed a high point, all your battle brothers pushing the enemies with you was a good feeling

[@MrThephonypope]

Agreed, it's surprisingly addictive and satisfying, outside of connection and queuing issues my only real issue is that I find myself wanting more - more enemies, more factions, more classes, more operations, more decals. Main worry is if they can create it fast enough to keep their player base mostly intact. As a bit of a stop gap I hope they add they allow us to queue into the main campaign as like we do Operation missions using our custom builds, could be a way to put out some more missions relatively quickly without too much dev time. Narratively I think it's problematic, but I'd really like more of the game to play sooner rather than later.

[@Mantelar]

Now that they know they’re sitting on a money pile, I think they’re gonna patch up online mode so it can provide true mass service…previous games are kind of tailored to the type that like mostly dead games that survive off the cash shop and find their teams on dischord. That does work great for the real modern audience - young men who are playing this game and grew up on the internet. The other traunch of players though is older, has limited time, and needs something that works like deep rock galactic, where I can drop in and contribute, even if I haven’t played 100 matches with you and am off voice. This is fixed by just letting people just open their game to multiplayer and let others drop in and replace the bots as they get matched to you.

[@N00BSYBORG]

My only real problem with SM2 is how squishy you are. I'm fine with elites hitting hard but you take so much damage even from small mobs. The armor you get from executions gets deleted in like an instant and you barely get any time to regain contested health. Other than that, I completely agree. Game feels amazing to play and I want more.

[@lamhuynh7201]

Squishy marine is lore accurate and tabletop accurate so no complaint from me

[@PoolNoodleGundam]

@@lamhuynh7201 yeah same. The reason I think I prefer PVP is that it accurately represents just how *close* the matchup is-- ten gaunts and a warrior against three marines is to the tyranids' advantage.

[@tommasocaccia9778]

Lmfao get good little boy

[@N00BSYBORG]

@@tommasocaccia9778 And there it is, lol. The words of a man with no brain cells, no argument, no line of reason. All you can say is "get good." This is the exact same thing Helldivers 2 players were parroting non-stop before it lost 91% it's playerbase and now needs an emergency giga patch to stop it from dying.

[@Raven_Frame]

Hi Nooby, it's been a minute, how have you been?

[@TheUltimateRey]

That marine was tweaking starting at 9:33 😂

[@ScuffedSoldier123]

I’ll say the top of operations for me was fighting with the CADIANS. I don’t know what it is, but holding a point with CADIANS that actually help gives a feeling I can’t describe

[@AtheAetheling]

If they let us actually make our own marines for the PvE mode I will be happy. Playing as actual Ultramarines massively limits the customisation; you're just cosplaying as other chapters for example, and you can't have two people be the same class.

[@meodrac]

The current operations are tied to the campaign and plot dictates that they are Ultramarines, I hope they add new operations with the associated marines be not tied to the plot

[@jamesygamesy5124]

when my black templars says "for ultramar" i get so out of whack

[@retroicdescent]

​@@meodrac That would be cool but then they'd have to put in more time creating new characters, hire talent to do generic or other chapter voicelines, etc. Although, they could add an option to turn off character dialog, and replace voicelines with an audio ping to alert teammates to what you are drawing attention to.

[@Breakingfasst88]

The Tau would be nice, but with the way ranged mobs work especially on higher difficulties, I'd rather not deal with a pulse rifle fire line destroying my health lol

[@Grimbonez]

Im so excited for the future of this game. The foundation is rock solid, it just needs MORE. More of everything. This could be like no man sky levels of growth over time and it could be awesome

[@noahowens3688]

Facts

[@elkmeatenjoyer3409]

Insane copium man.

[@RedHornSSS]

Give us Deathwatch story DLC man. There's so many possibilities with Deathwatch

[@mni892]

As a heads up Rat they've already stated that SM3 will still focus on Titus. Space Marine 1 was his fall, Space Marine 2 was his redemption. And Space Marine 3 will be his ascent. So don't expect that to get resolved until the next game. Not saying it won't or can't happen. Just don't expect it.

[@ericnstuff]

I'm personally glad SM3 is confirmed and I expect the development time will be significantly quicker from 2 to 3

[@proggz39]

Can’t wait

[@kmoney890]

Really hope they stick with giving him his own Chapter

[@DanteVerde-pt9zc]

@@ericnstuff For sure SM3 will come out sooner than 13 years, they would have at least 3-5 yrs if Sabre/Focus are willing to take their time

[@Lewting2000]

The game isn’t even two weeks old yet and we’re already talking about a third game here.

[@derpherp7432]

The Secret Level show apparently continues Titus's story, you can see he has the Laurels of victory on his helmet in the trailer for it

[@SerPodrick]

Its surreal that Blur is making a tv series. Actual hype

[@DanteVerde-pt9zc]

@@SerPodrick Uh Love, Death and Robots? ring any bells?

[@SerPodrick]

@@DanteVerde-pt9zc sure, but these are straight up gane cinematics

[@PurpleWarlock]

​@@SerPodrick the band?

[@SerPodrick]

@@PurpleWarlock i wish lol. Nah, Blur Studios. Just cool that theyve been given the chance to create and produce full episodes of videogame cinematics when theyve made some of the best in all gaming

[@gabzsy4924]

Things that I personally want changed: - Better matchmaking and class exclusivity removed or fixed - Ability to change the color of helmet lenses and more cosmetics freedom - Being able to save full loadouts with talents, weapons, color scheme and armor and being able to swap said loadout throughout the Operations, at the appropriate terminals. - A crouch and a headlight/flashlight button for both immersion and gameplay - Assault class overhaul. The jumpack is nurtured in Operations and very cluncky to use, plus, the Assault class should have another armor point and be able to use a Power Sword. I would also give it the same treatment as Vanguard, where you can "lock" on a target and propell to it rapidly but instead of a hook, with a jump pack and instead of a kick, a heavy attack. Heck, I would remove the jump pack as a special ability altogether and make it so you fly high when you press and hold dodge, or side dodge rapidly with dodge + a directional input and give him a "feel no pain" activated ability instead, to be able to tank more. - Emotes wheel - a Space Hulk game mode / level, and I want it to be claustrophobic, dark and almost horror like. This is where the flashlight would come in handy. - More boss fights and more operations with different factions - the ability to unlock and have different special abilities. I want Gadriel's shout from the campaign for the Buleark or Veteran and Heavy could have a focus fire ability that increases damage and rate of fire but it makes you stationary, a shout that buffs allies in the area, Feel no Pain, ignoring damage taken for a short duration..so many other cool ideas could come out but these are mine.

[@TheEveryDayC]

I think the most likely factions we're going to get are Necrons (all the reasons you mentioned), Genestealer Cults (planet with prominent hive-world, and any planet that gets sieged by tyranids frequently has genestealer cults as a long-off precursor to the actual invasion force), and generic chaos undivided/non-tzeench chaos enemies. I love that you bring up t'au, because they're my favorite faction in 40k, but there's one other, major wrinkle that could be added to the t'au: the demiurg, who have since been revealed to be the leagues of votann, who are an off-shoot of humans that eventually turned into space dwarves without ever becoming quite as xenophobic, anti-technology, anti-AI, or anti-innovation. they're known to trade with the t'au, and under the name of "demiurg" have served as essentially off-screen auxiliary units to the t'au army. if the t'au were an enemy to space marines, the leagues showing up as an auxiliary under the name of "the demiurg", this would be a really point of interesting conflict between humanity and essentially a part of it's past which didn't fall nearly as far from grace.

[@meodrac]

hope they don't go into nurgle very early as much as they are a blast to design and play against, after vermintide and darktide, I've had plenty of nurgle already

[@kazekayo]

They’re not adding any new factions they have already said this

[@TheEveryDayC]

@@kazekayo if they said something very recently, then they might not have said anything about not adding new factions at the time of my writing. what i've seen so far is that they have said that they won't tell anybody if they're going to add more factions or not, for the sake of preserving spoilers, and likely to leave their options open. what i know they have denied openly is the idea that the "new enemy" listed in the roadmap for the next three seasons is a new faction -- it isn't new factions, just new enemies for factions we have, and i never thought they were going to be new factions.

[@Saykiata]

I'd like there to be a lot of operations, but I'm not sure how quickly they can feasibly be produced. Deep Rock and Helldivers procedurally generate their environments, whereas in Space Marine 2, they're all bespoke environments and dressing. Now, they can reuse set dressing, but that runs into the issue of producing samey enviroments that aren't going to be as engaging. As a tangent, it's very amusing when you refer to the Tyranids as terminids.

[@russian_knight]

My main issue is how armor and melee works. You are encouraged to go melee but most of the weapons are not very good and take 6+ hits to stagger a tyranid warrior. Armor is restored by doing gun strikes and executions but for some reason the smallest enemies deal one full bar of damage to it when they hit you which gets you caught in a loop of parrying/gunstriking over and over. It isn't fun.

[@russian_knight]

other than that the game is fucking cool as fuck

[@iaindickinson3120]

It has been annoying me to no end that small enemies do an entire bar of armor damage, AND stagger me out of combos. A giant space marine in power armor gets tossed around by the smallest things? Yeah, okay.

[@TheWizard1408]

its an okay worry but the games to good to let that bother me

[@theShantai]

I dont find a problem for it, armor is mainly to tank ranged attacks and the rally mechanic keeps you in melee

[@Highsen]

A single 40lb baby Tyranid staggering me out of my thunder hammer charged attack is 100% a problem​@@theShantai

[@derpherp7432]

The Operations turned out to be much better gameplay wise than the campaign for me. Hopefully they fulfil the games potential

[@ar-rafirahman7700]

Definitely better than campaign

[@Vulgarth1]

SM2 needs a major rebalancing sweep, some kind of overhaul to make the two highest difficulties in the Operation mode, fun. I beat the campaign on Veteran and I'm halfway through on Angel of Death, and frankly speaking it's piss easy compared to Substantial and Ruthless difficulties in Operation mode. I would say I'm a game of above-average skill, but I'm getting worse at fast-paced shooters the older I get. SM2, though, it's easy to nail headshots galore on every enemy type (including the shielded Tzeentch birds). Even then, the amount of punishment they can take is insane. The damage output they have is insane. The quantity of them is insane, and the player's ability to counterattack in most situations is minimal. You can see that they wanted to introduce the Parry and the PErfect Dodge - and the Gun Strike follow-up - as a way to expand on SM1's aggressive, execution focused gameplay. Unfortunately, you are *reliant* on the Parry and if you want to use the Gun Strike, you must fight your instinct to immediately take it. You have to first find an opening to perform it, because it has no invulnerability. This, in spite of it granting a single armour chunk. One Hormagaunt, the weakest enemy in the game save for Cultists, deal one and a half chunks-worth of damage to your armour. You get four chunks max. You fight upwards of thirty Gaunts at a time. I think anyone can see the problem with not having invulnerability on one of your most crucial and "devs say use this" abilities which is your only way to regain armour (beside executions). I like the game, but I think it's being held back by how overly-difficult the two highest modes are. Not because they're *too* hard, you *can* beat those settings. It's just not fun, and actively takes away from what the dev team seem to have developed systems for. EDIT: After thinking on it for a smidge longer, I think the quickest and "simplest" change they could make is to stop Contested Health (the Bloodborne hp recovery mechanic, basically) from decaying so fast. There are perks you can equip to restore more of it at a time, but it drains too quickly and is invalidated by taking too much additional damage. Say for example you take a full volley of fire from an enemy - that's about a third of your HP gone, but it is all Contested. However, being hit by a Tzeentch crow will then remove that Contested amount and give you a new, lesser-overall amount you can potentially recover. At the same time, it is draining at a rate of about 10% of hp per quarter-second. Either stop it decaying or just make executions and Gun Strikes restore hp and armour. HP is by far the scarcer resource, but Armour doesn't last long enough to even be worth "armour-gating", as people call it in other games. Also quickplay does give bonus XP.

[@meodrac]

melta rifle needs a serious rebalance

[@mellar5864]

I want more variation for elite enemies.

[@meodrac]

and maybe add some accents on the tyranids like in the RTS games were there are distinct colour accents right now it's just a sea of white and grey

[@bohemianearspoon8493]

Completing it on veteran should give you the laurels of victory and angel of death should give you Titus’ old armor Edit: Also average should give the death watch armor and weapons

[@ThisIsYourGodNow]

theyll be back is also a reference to the original name for Reanimation Protocols in the tabletop game, which is cute

[@llrecluse]

Thats why I bought the Season Pass after finishing the Campain and played all the Operations. Best way to show support for a game is money.

[@Stormandreas]

The chances are, Titus becomes one of Calgars Victrix Guard. Not once in the Story do we use a Storm Shield, yet, we have the Bulwark (Bladeguard) Class in PvP/PvE Ops, so the tech for it is there. Before we get new factions though, we need more variety in what there is. Tyranids are SORELY lacking in their representation, and Chaos, even Tzeentch/Thousand Sons were a little lacking. We saw Screamers, but never fought them. Never saw Horrors, other Tzaangors, Spawn, flamers from Tzeentch, or pretty much any big monster from the nids (Also, killing a Hive Tyrant doesn't just cause a Hive Fleet to Nope out, so something needs to be done there)

[@theinevitable77]

Yes! Campaign reward. Anything.

[@ZephyrusAsmodeus]

Absolutely agree, I made it clear to both my good friends that just got this game the other day, once I had gotten through the campaign in early access myself that my only really big problem was that I just wanted more of it. The campaign is a bit small, the operations are limited to only 6 of them, and the pvp is super basic. It's a great foundation, it just needs more content, and some serious optimization on PC and numerous user-friendly system updates, like more options for game settings, togglable offline mode, friends lists, seamless multiplayer regarding classes, better worded instructions when joining sessions, whether to wait for people joining you or to board the thunderhawk in order for you to join others instead of waiting for the countdown to see which was correct. Stuff like that, just some edges that need smoothed over. Honestly I think horde mode alone would do wonders for replayability, can't wait for that and some more operations.

[@memebro3181]

Agreed. I want more Operation maps and more build choices. This game is so good.

[@aldrichunfaithful3589]

i'm pleasantly surprised by this review, i got a way more negative impression before launch and i wrongly thought the devs didn't seem to care much about story. hearing about the operations reminds me of playing destiny back in the day, i never spent money or bothered with pvp but i was one of the people constantly playing vanguard with my level 34 f2p character and it was so much fun

[@sandrales98]

so first things first i agree with all you said... i would say in addition what they should do is rework some of the perks and lower ability cooldown on certain classes like the sniper and assault... an ability like the bulwark or heavy should stay on a higher cooldown but its kinda weird if 1 charge of my assault jetpack almost takes as long as a chance to fully heal the whole team or be imune to ranged enemys... imo that is abit off... another thing i want is way more life steal type of perks for certain mele centered classes like the bullwark and the assault since they often take much dmg due to the ranged enemys and that way they can work themselves back to full life... another thing is fix the melta health regen bug that is if you lose health it gets replaced with a white health chip that dissapears over time and if you do dmg you can heal that... the bug is that the melta does a gigantic amount of base dmg that gets lowered by resistance but the heal effect takes the base dmg value not the end dmg value so it hits on 1 enemy always the rally limit to heal and the bug comes as soon as you hit more then 1 target with a melta while you got atleast 1 hp in white health... 1 shot in a group of 2 or more enemys heals yout total health back to full since the rally buffer gets filled multiple times and applied to your hp bar over and over again... i ran missions with my friend on the highest difficulty doing 50k dmg on my own they just let them get kille the whole round and i beat literally every singe operation with the heavy with this exploit... and you cant prevent it except not using a whole weapon... and also give all bolter type weapons more dmg but dont nerf other weapons and instead implement more diff modes so you have more options but still more fun due to good feeling weapons... to round it all up im indeed sure that the roadmap isnt what they really implement i kind of got the feeling they prepared the roadmap in a dimention where if the game gets bought ok like 50k copys or something they will be able to get it still all done but they sold millions of copys allready so im positive in the chance they increase the amount of content coming for it and also the amount of dlc´s planned for it sry for the long comment tho and the abd grammar my englisch isnt the best

[@rock2k14]

If Saber add Imurah level bosses, what they need to do is make them part of a Weekly mission, such as how Deeper Dives are done in Deep Rock Galactic. If they just add a boss map to the general pool it will just end up ignored if it's not "efficient" enough, or if some people find it too hard. If they do what Darktide did with their Twins boss level, and make it an etirely different queue, it will just end up as a dead map that no one plays once the novelty wore off as it is now. If however they make it something to do once a week or so, that rewards the player with something good (in Deep Rock Galactic it was one of the few ways to get Blank Matrix Cores after all) people will keep coming back to it, and not be ao burnt out on it so quickly, essentially making the big boss fights Weekly Raids.

[@Oblinski]

I'm not too woried for longevity they have a roadmap where they are going to be adding more gamemodes, operations, and most likely classes down the line. There's a huge pool to draw from from 40k lore and I can imagine in eternal war we may get more races like Eldar, Orks, and Necrons. My main hope tho is that they lower the season pass price or make it so we can unlock older outfits at a later date because as of right now 40$ feels a bit overpriced.

[@guitarguy42394]

Late to the video but IMO it’s refreshing to see a game starting out right. Too many devs leap right into the live service model and let their scope get away from them, while SM2 delivers on a tight and focused experience that gets people in the door just on the fun alone. Depending on how good their player retention and other metrics are, they already have that aforementioned foundation to build off of, meaning the transition to a “natural” live service would be unobtrusive and frankly welcome. It feels like they started fun-first then made sure you could share that with friends without getting ahead of themselves. As long as that works, the rest can come naturally and without much friction

[@venerablebrothergoriate5844]

One of the things I’m hoping for the most, (aside from additional Iron Hands drip and a chainaxe for tactical, assault and Vanguard) is a PvP mode built kinda like Attrition from Titanfall, with a larger map, and large numbers of ai allies for each team. Guardsmen and Cultists at the lowest rank, maybe a couple more, maybe the mode culminates in each time filling up the scoreboard until a ai Dreadnought gets called in on their side to thrash the enemy team. Like, basically calling in your own PvE boss enemy to back you up for the final phase. And the team without the dreadnought can get more XP if they manage to kill the dreadnought. A sort of “pyrrhic victory” condition if your dreadnought dies, and a “overwhelming victory” if it lives, a “Total Defeat” condition if you can’t kill the dreadnought, and a “bitter defeat” if you manage to kill it, but still a defeat because of the losses suffered.

[@Ivbo]

I think a big social space in this game would be cool to have, kind of like the Tower in Destiny. Constantly seeing other people would make the game feel more alive at all times, as compared to the current empty feeling Battle Barge.

[@lancehaderlie9587]

I feel like the greatest compliment that can be payed to any video game is that you finish and you say "GIVE ME MORE". Which has been the feeling of my entire soul as I've played this game. I'm desperately hoping they give us modified versions of the campaign missions as operations, new operations, new enemies from the Tyranids, new factions to fight (Orks and necrons anyone?!), new story DLC (again with the missions also modified to be operations), a horde mode (yeah I already know its confirmed), maybe a Star Wars battlefield style battle mode with NPC spawns, control points, etc. I hope whatever parent company Saber is a part of doesn't screw this up.

[@clay180]

If the package wasnt lacking it would be a compliment.

[@RavagingTiger]

8:30 totally agreed I want to get more friends to get the game but for me and my friend took an extra day to beat the story because it would take like 40 mins to finally let us connect to each other i really hope they fix this soon. Great video btw

[@N0TYALC]

I've been absolutely loving it. It's like a very watered-down version of Dark Souls with a Gears of War coating. That sounds like a backhanded compliment, but it works really well so far.

[@dante19890]

How is it anything like dark souls?

[@eisenhammertech5248]

My Brother in Battle I could not possibly agree more with this.

[@deathtoraiden2080]

Double the current campaign time? 3 extra enemy factions? Follow up to Leandros?(followup to what? Nothing happens) LMAO is this guy huffing industrial strength copium? You're gonna get a couple more operations and maybe 2 hours of Necrons who are just Tyranid warriors in costume.

[@davidgrager3938]

I pretty much agree with you on everything. The biggest thing is we all want more from this game. With what we paid I believe we deserve more, honestly if they don't add a lot and i mean a lot of content through dlc idk if ill buy sp3.

[@GoToBedSheeva]

I love it. I really do love what is being offered here.

[@silverhawkscape2677]

Honestly that's a good thing. Game is so good you want more out of it.

[@caseyanders1601]

The developers have capitulated on all of that. They just made a public statement. Most everything being asked for is being said (by the developers) to be too much/“impossible”, requiring too much resources. They spoke in dishonest vague promises leading up to the release. The game files show that they (the developers) cut the entire game up to piece-mail the chunks to us for a premium. There was supposed to be a long sweeping campaign (featuring more factions), more pvp stuff, and far more co-op operations content. And that’s not bringing up the bugs and broken aspects of the game. We deserve better from the frauds wanting our money.

[@Lyonatan]

Its not gonna be liveservice. They clearly have a plan with the cosmetic season pass that is aimed at warhammer fans who like video games, not just gamers who like warhammer.

[@Ephringael]

Its basically always online (As it doesn't save op progress while offline) with a roadmap for free game updates with paid cosmetics supporting it. How is that not the live service model?

[@herzfeld2]

sure its technically a game with long term support in cosmetic releases and qols but i believe the point being made here is that the largest live service games around use things like content rotation (maps, modes, season events etc) which rely HEAVILY on cosmetic purchases-- the fact that they've given away a large amount of future cosmetics on the season pass speaks volumes about their engagement strategy. Also they dont have a purchasable ingame currency, which is live service 101.

[@Lyonatan]

@@Ephringael no expansions, no events, no daily stuff, no dailies, no overall goal that need to be reached by the community. It's a single player game, with multiplayer support. Like Quake was, Unreal was, Half-Life was, or get this: first Space Marine was.

[@Ephringael]

@@herzfeld2 Ah alright, that makes sense to me.

[@dante19890]

What's the difference

[@thepunisherxxx6804]

You know its good when you just want more content as an excuse to play it more. We just need a legit horde or war mode, maybe let us have more than 3 per squad in those types of missions. Add some fortification mechanics. The idea of holding back a horde is used throughout the campaign, lean into that more. Maybe some rogue-like stuff too like each wave you customize how the next one comes out, add some more randomization and variety. When you're playing this game properly - blasting waves until you run out of ammo and they close in, swimming through the horde cutting them up, countering and dodging to sustain and break through, jumping out, throwing a grenade and reloading. That all feels fantastic and is great fun and really rewarding when you go in and out of a big pack and take no damage.

[@ViolenVaymire]

Skill Up is the only gaming news channel I watch. Good quote.

[@imthedevilkys536]

Idk if other people know this, but you can change your operations load out. You can mix and match and weapon available. Just realized this yesterday, so I figure other people may not know either.

[@Darkwater1886]

I'm calling it now, Leandros is going to fall to chaos. I just get that vibe from his focus on finding it in others. It's projection.

[@meodrac]

i hope not, it's just so cliche

[@Tiven321]

I would rather not it is better for him just to be an dumb asshole but a loyal one.

[@Williamsonw4]

Wow I never knew I needed a Trazyn cameo in SM2 now its all I can think about.

[@4evermilkman]

Live service releases: we want regular campaign games. Regular campaign game releases: we want it to be a live service

[@cafelattis9487]

I think another obvious thing would be new classes that would fit into the "meta" they are trying to make. For example Chaplains, they would be unique in terms of looks but they could be like a buff/debuff class since the whole thing about Chaplains are that they guide and mentor their fellow Space Marine. Another would be a Librarian, a mage class ich. Maybe just one melee weapon but they use spells instead. Kind of like jack of all trades. Apothecary would be another support/healer class, on harder difficulties (and boy are they hard) they would have a perfect place.

[@ericnstuff]

I agree with your point about Operations. I want a ton. If they sacrifice narrative and environmental design for more missions, im down. i want to play EDF: Space Marines.

[@NemesisUmbral]

Concerning the idea about getting a reward for completing the campaign, I really wished that we would have gotten Titus’s Deathwatch armor as an unlockable cosmetic after completing either Veteran and/or Angel of Death.

[@ayreal2227]

I wouldn't get hopes up about new factions, in that same thread on twitter the creative director subsequently replied that new enemies would be for the existing factions only, and a new faction would be too resource intensive at this stage

[@Ephringael]

I was wondering about that. Good to know.

[@TalesZuliani]

I'm about to start the last mission and I couldnt agree more. I Want MORE. Gimme more factions, more chapters.

[@kazekayo]

The devs have already said they’re not adding new factions. temper your expectations

[@DJzero7]

5:40 🥸 that is what I want a Lengthy DLC indeed that is what we all want

[@daftmi9hty327]

The deep rock comparison is exactly what i said to my mates i can see it become a great live service with some new stuff every month and I'd happily pay for it like i did with deep rock ive brought all the cosmetic dlc

[@Targettdog]

Well put, I hope the devs see this one.

[@ashmarten2884]

Hopefully there’s a big sale on it at some point Because I can’t justify 60 dollars on something with so little content. I think the biggest issue is that people will burn through SM2 content before more things drop, and the game will lose its momentum and player retention.

[@Qballiz2kool]

I’ve already burnt out on the content, and honestly with other games coming out idk if I’m going to be willing to come back to the game once it gets allot of updates, we’ll see what happens.

[@SafetyFooT]

Going off of recent releases it seems like facilitating multiplayer co-op games is about as complex as high level quantum nuclear rocket physics. There always seems to be major matchmaking / social menu issues that never get fully ironed out. ☹️

[@TheUltimateRey]

I love this game so far but don’t worry bröther updates will come

[@omnipresent_ninja]

Your voice is just so good , I don’t even like the games u talk about, I’m just here for the way u talk in these critiques. The editing is great to, keep it up

[@BrainWasherAttendent]

Wow

[@lunarbound9975]

@@BrainWasherAttendent Nothing wrong with a kind word, friend. Boost each other up!

[@Blueybeak]

Glaze

[@UprightCaucasoid]

I am now creeped out. Thanks

[@dud5606]

someones in love

[@TrustyFriend]

The ending of Space Marine 2 continues in the Secret Level animation coming out of Prime Video the 10th of December. Speculating they'll reveal Necrons then and in Season 3 (2025) We get Necrons in game.

[@youtubevoice1050]

No, no, no. Expansions and DLCs are very welcome, but "live service" is a bane that needs to die. The concept might sound good on paper, yet it always devolves into something exploitative: More grind to slow player progression down. "Fear Of Missing Out" mechanics that force you to play more. Content sold separately to increase costs or in advance before reviews are out. Micro transactions that aren't "micro". Nerfs and difficulty increase, again to slow progression, rather than focusing on a good experience. In the end it always feels more like a second job rather than fun.

[@herzfeld2]

this is why ive been sad about the dunking on Concord. Sure it didnt deserve success but such a massive failure will encourage publishers to focus on free to play releases which... Makes me sad. So so sad. How is it not clear that live service games are just brain chemical manipulation, they've been around long for people to wise up

[@youtubevoice1050]

@@herzfeld2 Yes, when gaming turns into gambling you have to recognise it's bad, but I guess a lot of younger gamers either really don't know better or are too easily distracted by sugar coated narrative. Although, I think the industry is slowly moving away from it.

[@Артём-Бороденко]

Please no. Not another service game with progression and other stuff. We have them enough already. Let it stay just a cool game with a campaign under 10 hours (best duration for a videogame), which is fun to replay multiple times.

[@liquidrufus]

Fun campaign, wish it had more too.

[@roberonin7400]

Honestly i hate to admit it but i would pay 30 bucks for 6 more co op missions as long as they had a solid little story!

[@manfredbischoff3760]

The gameplay is AMAZING buy there's just not enough content right now

[@re_4merchant]

Along side giving better rewards for the less played missions, they should give additional rewards for playing lesser used classes. Which would encourage a better variety in teams. Ive been on a goo few missions, and aside from one npc filler, I’ve never seen anyone use the sniper class. So randomly offering rewards to players for using it would of course increase the amount of people doing so

[@notmyname-bx7bc]

I want an offshoot game playing as a Chaos Space Marine

[@georgemayatt896]

honestly I think that the sabre didn't think this game would be all that. but now after the launch the executives are " oh shit we need more make more of this add more"

[@Sharsis8]

Bruce1947 straight JAMMING apparently @9:34

[@EravinVT]

Came to about the same conclusion tbh

[@Drewe223]

Commenting so the devs see this

[@King_of_Sofa]

If they want money they will double down on bringing more content. I am more than willing to pay up!

[@joeschmoe5608]

11:55 Threw me for a loop, did you say Bile Titan to the Terminid swarm? HD2 is that way 😂 Jokes aside, I agree here on all points!

[@8Tarkus8]

I agree wholeheartedly. While not perfect, the game is excellent and I supported them buying the season pass as well as the base game (obviously). We need more of it. I just hope they won't do an Helldivers and make it worse over time

[@dud5606]

On one hand I agree with everything said, but on the other I feel like they would need to completely remake the leveling and loot system for this game to work more as a live service. As it is now, you can quickly level up your characters and weapons and there is quite literally zero incentive to keep going unless you just enjoy the gameplay so much. After a while all of the armory data shards, the coins and exp are useless to you. So those extra missions would have little replay value unless you enjoy them purely for the gameplay. In Darktide for example, the loot system is set up more like a Diablo-esque game (And it's a good place to take lessons from because ARPG's thrive on highly replayable content) where it's all up to the RNG if you get the common/rare/epic/legendary weapon. Those weapons also come with interesting modifiers other than DMG+/SPEED+ and there are actual unique builds you can create. I mean imagine how much more interesting and exciting the game would be if at any point you could come up to a crate in a level, open it and find "THE EMPERORS FLAMING SWORD" and be able to swing it at enemies, setting them ablaze. And maybe if you play as the assault you have a whole perk tree dedicated to dealing fire damage. Random loot this gives games like this a sense of constant progression and variety. SM2 lacks those right now. And with how anemic the roadmap looks for the next year it doesn't look like they're gearing up for making this a full blown live service.

[@WAAAAAAGH]

After getting through the slog of 7+ hours to max out a single class's level, weapon masteries, and armor selection, I'm not doing it all over again for another class. I'm just not going to do it. Hell, you're not even going to get most players to even go that far. I know it's only the first week, but barely over 4% have maxed out a single class, and that's the easiest of the three to do since you can do it on any difficulty. You can get all of the armor choices on any as well, but you have to trudge through OVER THIRTY OPERATIONS to get them. For one class. That's thirty runs of the same operations that can last you 20 minutes at best if you manage to run to the ready zone before anyone else joins the lobby to slow you down. You couldn't PAY me to do all of that again with these 6 choices, and that's after I just went to easy mode and ran through the last ten operations to complete bulwark because I was already checked out and just wanted to get it over with. Good game, but once you beat every operation on every difficulty, why keep playing it? The buggy and unbalanced pvp? lol. lmao even.

[@fy4b230]

Seems like a pretty cool game. I had zero interest in playing until I watched some reviews and videos like this. Wasn’t afraid of spoilers because I don’t care about Warhammer and didn’t play the first one. Hopefully this game is still going hard around holiday season and gets a sale lol. Too much backlog and Remnant 2 final dlc comes out at the end of the month. I’ve been holding out on playing that game again, until all dlcs were out. So this game looks like a great game to go into after I’m done with Remnant. Cheers!

[@Stella-u7q]

I absolutely loved the first space marine, it got me into gaming as a whole. I quit SM2 after 2 missions, i dont understand how people would call this gameplay good enough to warrant more content? It barely iterated from the first game, which came out 13 years ago. Games like God of War, which are mostly cinematic story, have an actual combat system that is interesting enough for a 30 hour campaign. Blue Circle, Red Circle and Ranged units, have fun.

[@deathtoraiden2080]

I'd argue the gameplay got worse because of the focus on parrying, with a parry system that has zero depth. I always said the first game felt weird with not having a parrying system but this game feels worse with this one. It made the fights a lot more static. You can't expect the same level of combat depth as a hack and slash game in these games. There is simply too much clutter on the screen for there to be an intricate combat system. The best they can do is not make the parry system such a joke execution wise because that is just not fulfilling. Feedback from melee also got worse.

[@Verdiac97]

With alot of players quiting desting 2 focus has a massive opportunity to scoop them all up and give them a similar pve experience. Heres hoping

[@Admiralkirk95]

The game is very fun but I do agree the game needsmore if it's gonna keep the audience. 3 PvP maps. Six operations. I wasn't expecting the campaign to some 'change my life' kind of experience it was exactly what I expected and wanted. It was epic, it felt big and it was fun. But beyond the campaign..... it needs a bit more.And to fix the server, queue times, and disconnect issues. And optimize it a bit more cause I do occasionally start chunking frames suddenly for about a second in large fights..... and improve the fights a bit I kinda feel like at times you suddenly just lose all your health and there nothing you could really do. I knoiw alot of times there is but I remember. Firefight starts. Units teleport in and before I can even do anything my health bar melts by about 80%..... like what was I suppose to do about five guys deciding to shoot me all at once on the first move? Now to be fair the roadmap is very promising. First section says Operations's' to plural. if my guess is right it's probably what the two teams were doing in the final section to turn the other obolisks..... but that means two more T-son operations. They have proven with the final operation that can and will do scenarios that weren't in the campaign at all though. New enemy is likely just new enemies for the factions, but, with what's at theend of the campaign could be a certain new faction(That's high hoping) Horde is quite a bit away too, which sucks. But atleast it is coming. I don't know if there's been any word on new classes but my bets are on CHaplain, cause they got a whole set already in the game with "Mr Chaplain", apothacary would be an easy obvious choice and could be a second Gravis armour type, same for aggressor(Late cameo makes sure there is sort of a rig for it) And I have my doubts on terminators. I see alot of people wanting it but I have my doubts on that one. Customization could be greatly expanded, it clearly will as time goes on as they've sdaid atleast three other legions will be getting full support and three will just be getting champion skins, would love to see Chaos get operations(Or horde) with full custumization but that's probably low on the priority list. I don't care about face customization cause I prefer helmets, but voice packs would be a good idea. Maybe we can get the guy who did the Dawn of war SM voices, that'd be cool. Once again probably on the lower end of things cause they need to record lines for operations and interactions between the voices. But all in all it's a good first step. They got to keep with it. I'm only ok with it cause it was a good start, and clearly a year long delay means if this is what we have day one, they were really for behind. But if the game is making me say "I want more" then it's doing something right.

[@roneon4]

To be honest checking out the information so far it looks like Necrons is a strong option for next armry showing up in game and also i notice some twitts about Vigilus if that is true you can talk about Black Legion which for me is much better than thounsand sons.

[@nekrovulpes]

Live service honestly I could give less of a shit about, I'm just pissed PVP turns out to be so much of an afterthought. 3 maps? Seriously? ZERO customisation for Heretic Astartes? I'm a loyalist myself but I am pissed for traitor bros. PVP was very popular and kept the fist game alive way longer than anyone ever expected, it deserved better than this. Other than that enjoying the game. It's not an MMO, so I am in no hurry to burn through the content.

[@mentalslug7580]

This game has got me into the lore of 40k hell I’m even considering reading some books but I dunno where to start and I brought the season pass I’d love for this game to flourish for a few years the world is just so FUCKING COOL

[@TheUbberman]

Horus Rising by Dan Abnett (2006). There's an amazing Audiobook of that too. Easiest recommendation of my life. Well written, gripping and fantastic dive into the lore 'n world of 40k.

[@mentalslug7580]

@@TheUbberman thanks for the recommendation

[@tatu9805]

And I want to remember what it feels like to execute a solid dump after nine years of consistent diarrhea but we can’t always get what we want.

[@brunojesusguilperez8407]

I guess orcs and chaos united are bound to come back as they were already in the first game

[@hijikili2656]

Man, I cannot beg more for Capcom to make Lost Planet 4 to be like this

[@botmushin8878]

Hey if they add more with the same or greater quality of what already exists, I'll grab this at full price.

[@bebopsynthguy6629]

This game could be DRg in its deepest dreams

[@u-mos8820]

That technique! So strong!

[@stephenrego6065]

Well said, brother

[@WikiXIV]

Unfortunately, the creative director, Oliver Hollis-Leick stated they most likely won't be adding new factions into SM2 When asked about adding new enemies yesterday: "It'll be new enemies for the existing factions in the game. Adding a new faction would be a huge undertaking for this game. It's possible, but resource intensive and would require narrative justification. SM3 is wide open for new factions though ;)"

[@TheLegendOZelda360]

It’s just like darktide, starts out with great foundations that they’re going to tweak overtime and add to, I don’t necessarily agree with that kind of development cycle when you’re a massive company with the resources Games Workshop has its disposal, but as long as the actual game content is free and the cosmetics are the only thing paywalled, i’ll let it slide.

[@snakeswitharms]

Hope they put Slannesh in as the next faction. Not because they would be fun to fight against or because they don't get a lot of representation, but because I hate them and tearing a Keeper of Secrets head off would be cool.

[@alaye5583]

This game made me think of gears of war and strangely army of two.