I Want Norway's Healthcare System

[@susanphelps3813]

I have talked to many people from other countries. They cannot understand WHY the US does not do this. Sad.

[@jfvan78]

Yup, the majority of people in the U.S. would love to have Norway's healthcare system. Now we need to push or representatives to feel the same way!

[@actuallymisterbean8321]

@@jfvan78 i suggest you watch Kraut`s video on this.

[@JDoe-hb7pc]

Because people are inherently different in behavior, work ethic, trust, etc... Norway is a near ethnostate where ppl work and don't take advantage of another. The US is a melting pot of shit mixed with people who have a "proven pattern" of social behavior when they are the majority in their own countries. Secondly Congress works for the elite who fund their campaigns not for the people. Hence why they had declared pizza a vegetable nearly a decade ago. Instead of making unhealthy food illegal and ineligible for purchase when someone uses "F**d-Stamps" they litterally allow them to buy stuff like Doritos, frozen pizza and redbull. It's a circle the works for the elite. Which is why every elite corporation is funding the left right now. Not because they care about ppl but because they want Corporate, Authoritarian, Communism where they rule and everyone else is a surf.

[@JDoe-hb7pc]

@@jfvan78 Norway's healthcare only works with Norways demographics. THINK!

[@falcon127]

MONEY! GREED! CORPORATIONS! GOVERNMENT! Because the US can get away with it! MOVE!!!

[@lpdude2005]

I'm Norwegian: We do not pay much more tax than in the US - but we get back 84% in a lifetime. In the United States, they get only 18% back of their payments.

[@Youtube_Stole_My_Handle_Too]

Who do you think you're fooling with your imaginary numbers? Five-year-old children with no critical thinking skills? What satisfaction do you gain from fabricating lies? The renowned Norwegian economist Trygve Hegnar has demonstrated that for every unit of currency invested in public expenses, only a quarter is returned in the form of services, making Norway's public spending the most inefficient in the world. Roughly 45% of the country's economy is publicly funded, with both monetary expenditure and workforce utilization. To make matters worse, the public economy is heavily reliant on oil income. In 2022, an astronomical sum of NOK 420 billion was spent to pay for 940,000 public employees in a country with only 5.4 million inhabitants. Additionally, there were also hired laborers in the order of 350k. Sources: Central Bureau of Statistics Norway, CIA, Economist Hegnar, and Finansavisen. The whole Norwegian economy rests on a welfare gift from god in the form av oil and gas and a servile people putting up with socialistic tyranny.

[@samsabruskongen]

Please do enlighten me how we get 84% back? Because we sure as shit do not.

[@trulybtd5396]

@@samsabruskongen Healthcare, infrastructure, subsidies for food prices/production, education up to and including university level. Unlike the US where most of the tax money goes to operators of private companies. Did dyou think he ment you get cash back?

[@ingerloviseeide6806]

Thats true,I live in Norway and we have free healthcare,we only pay some small money ,if we have been very ill physical or fysical ,often to doctors,or bought a lot of medicine and because of that paid more than ca 300 dollars during the whole year, the rest is for free. People in Norway use to admire USA as a cool country,so we were so shocked when we realized you don't have free healtcare. In Europe it's natural to have it like this.Some countries have even free dental care the whole life,we have only up to 18 years old. God bless you all and give you free healthcare, it will be a totally better community ,less psycological problems,less crime and less drugs and alcohol. So Dont Worry !You will get back the costs of free healthcare hundredfold!

[@sailingviking7885]

Healthcare in Norway is not free! You pay for it through your tax system. However, it is hugely subsidized. For me, who is Norwegian and who, among other things, has lived for many years in the USA, I am shocked that a country with a 37% federal tax cannot afford a system similar to that in Norway. It seems that the American priorities focus on completely different things than their own citizens.

[@tenzin682]

I work in a warehouse, and we have many loads come in from Canada, I have talked to a lot of them about their healthcare, the cost, the answer is usually....$440.00 to $550.00 a year. No deductible, no co-pays. They literally have a card they swipe. I asked one guy, if your kid gets sick how much do you pay, do you get a bill? Nope. You pay taxes for this care your whole life, and it lasts your whole life.

[@fredrikwessel9765]

All a matter of trust in each other and in the system.

[@ninaelsbethgustavsen2131]

In Norway (as of 2023), you pay a total of US$ 300 in total. During the year. To se your GP. Or a specialist. For prescription medicine. For CT scans or X-rays. Going by taxi to a doctor's appointment, and home again. Once you've spent that total of US$ 300, everything else is for free. Untill January 1st next year. If you go to hospital for an operation, staying over, you don't pay. You might stay for a week in hospital, even if you could go home. If you feel too tired, you can spend some days in the hospital hotel. Having your meals in the hotel restaurant. Or in your room. While recovering. Finally you'll travel home in a taxi. All free of charge. Of course you can stay longer too. Say if you've had a stroke... Love from Oslo 🇳🇴

[@jeschinstad]

@@ninaelsbethgustavsen2131: You meant to say it is a _maximum_ of $300 per year in co-pay. We also pay 7,9% of our income for the health insurance, although that also covers retirement savings, unemployment insurance, disability insurance, etc.

[@madeleinejacobs2842]

Thank you for your comment. You are so right.

[@Geepyrs]

Totally agree!

[@andreasandremyrvold]

If you pay tax, or even if you don`t, free healthcare shouldn`t be an issue. Basic human needs comes first, and anything else is barbaric.

[@madeleinejacobs2842]

Amen.

[@minirille4225]

Who is going to pay?

[@madeleinejacobs2842]

@@minirille4225 We all will according to how much we can, just as we all pay for fire, police, military, social security, roads and bridges, schools and libraries. Health care is public good. And, if we adopt any of the systems being used around the world, we will spend less than half what we pay now, will be able to see the provider of our choice and not be fleeced by the for-profit entities that fleece us now.

[@minirille4225]

Madeleine Jacobs sure, but a lot of people want free good health care but don’t want to pay taxes.

[@madeleinejacobs2842]

@@minirille4225 There are adults, and then magical thinkers. The movement for universal health care is made of adults who recognize the need for health care and how to implement it universally. It has been done around the world, way more effectively, covering everyone, more cheaply and with better heatlh outcomes than how it's being done in the profit driven "system" in the US.

[@sarahbass6116]

The NHS in the UK 🇬🇧 is great, basically most things are free. You might wait a while for whatever is required but no fuss really.

[@madeleinejacobs2842]

Another fallacy promulgated by the for profit US system. Care is delayed here while people fight the insurance company to cover care. I needed a genetic test when my sister got cancer and needed a bone marrow transplant. My family in Australia, Canada, England and Israel went to their family docs and had the results within a month. It took 7 months of fighting with my insurance to get my test done.

[@molecatcher3383]

The UK NHS is a universal healthcare system like all of Europe has. We pay for most of it from our taxes but we must pay a small amount for medicines, dental and eye care. The NHS dental and eye care is very basic and if you want nice glasses or dental work done you need to pay a lot more. The NHS medical care is also fairly basic with long waiting times. Also if they make a mistake and harm you it is very difficult to get them to pay compensation. The UK system is better than the US system in terms of cost but is not the best in Europe in terms of quality. I have just been told by my dentist that if I want a routine check-up or filling I will need to pay the full private fee (very dear) for it and that only "emergency" work is going to be covered by the NHS (low cost). I live in a country area and the next nearest dentist is about a 45 minute drive from my home. Another big fail for the NHS.

[@TimTimmahh-LinkyLink]

What are your taxes like??

[@michaelantoniades7750]

Teacher told me to leave a comment so here goes: Norway's healthcare system is often praised for its universal coverage and emphasis on equality. The way it combines public funding with high-quality services means that citizens and residents can access care without the worry of significant out-of-pocket costs. It's impressive how the system prioritizes preventative care and ensures that even remote areas have access to healthcare services. Of course, no system is without its challenges, but Norway’s approach offers valuable insights into how comprehensive healthcare can be achieved in a sustainable and equitable way.

[@madeleinejacobs2842]

Thanks for all the comments! In my opinion, freedom and health care are not mutually exclusive.

[@arveskjellanger4121]

Good education , low crime rate and no worries about health care cost = freedom to enjoy life, freedom to try start a business , your kids would still get good education and health care if your business fails

[@carla.n.5078]

One of the main reasons I don't ever go to US. Even with travel insurance you can't be safe it will cover all the medical expenses you end up having. And I don't want to end up deep in debt to a foreign country... especially the US.

[@vbarknath]

Sure, we have a good system allthough it is not without flaws. For some treatments there can be a lot of waiting and for the most serious illnesses you might risk not getting free treatment if the medicine/treatment is too new/expensive resulting in some people having to pay from their own pocket for treatment abroad. But all in all the system is working well.

[@Lubben]

True, our government don't pay for experimental medicines or treatments.

[@peterc.1618]

Here in the UK last September a 16-month-old child with SMA (spinal muscular atrophy) was treated by the NHS with Zolgensma, thought to be the world's most expensive drug costing £1.79 mill. How many US families would be able to pay for that out of their own pocket?

[@keithshackleton3173]

American Healthcare is about corporate profit. Universal Healthcare elsewhere is about people. We have universal health care in New Zealand. It works.

[@RaymondNok]

I'm proud to be a norwegian 🇧🇻

[@gruuve]

Jeg er også norsk!🇳🇴🇳🇴🇳🇴

[@whatsaygirl1507]

Jeg også❤

[@curlyemperor7639]

Jeg og

[@goldengirl9423]

Samme her! Same here 🥰

[@Jimmy_Salvesen]

. Me too🇧🇻

[@jfvan78]

One can only dream that we will have this type of system here in the U.S. Wait, that's not true! There are folks out there organizing and planning for a better future. Click on the links above to find out more!

[@MrMafiks]

The thing is, you will always have money to pay the taxes, as they come out of your salary, but you will most unlikely have the money for an expensive procedure there and then

[@jennafloww]

Great video. Americans don’t understand just how bad our healthcare system is.

[@37tara]

❤

[@samanthaedward1557]

Thank you +1

[@Gun1ld]

The bill came to 400$ because they didn't live and pay taxes to Norway. If they had, it would have been 80$ or less depending on if a radiological exam was necessary.

[@vikingpotet]

Me too. Oh wait i already live her!😁

[@evasmith2705]

A reading for a head MRI in the US was nearly $6000.....for two minutes work( ok , I know , the cost of a medical school , the insurance , blablabla....and a profit of course)

[@madeleinejacobs2842]

Pretty crazy. Let's change it!

[@gilly4881]

$6000 Holy guacamole!

[@ninaelsbethgustavsen2131]

Good grief ! I've had more than 50 CT scans over the last 20 years. And at least half a dozen full body MRI's. (Due to cancer). Never paid a "penny"... I even demanded and got free medicine from our national cancer hospital when diagnosed "terminal". After 6 months of failed chemo treatments. I was placed in a study. Testing Aromasine. Wich was all paid for by Pfizer. So the system saved money. And Pfizer saved my life ! Love from Norway 👩‍🦳🇳🇴

[@gulvplank]

In the USA its all about the money. They dont care!

[@jarlerc]

I feel the need to comment on the free part of this discussion, here is the fact. The cost of healthcare is a gross tax on income that is 7,8% this comes in addition to a taxrate of 24% net, and if you make more than 80000 dollars there are some progressive rate to pay. This is what you pay on income. The 7,8% goes to Healthcare and basic retirement. Employers pay 24% employers contribution into the system as well. For Doctors visits and policlinical care there is a copay. But Max copay pr year is about 500 dollars. After that it is free. If you are admitted to a hospital, it is all free.

[@AlexanderJansen]

$400 for going to the hospital sounds really expensive. Given that I live in Norway and pay taxes here I think healthcare should be free for visitors too.

[@madeleinejacobs2842]

$400 in the US is an amazing deal. My monthly premiums for insurance are $800 a month due to a reinsurance subsidy (going to the insurance company) in my state, with a deductible of $8150, which is only for a year. Last year, before the reinsurance measure in Colorado passed, I was paying over $1000 a month for the high deductible insurance. And people in rural areas are charged more than people in urban areas.

[@madeleinejacobs2842]

@@peacenpowder You're right.

[@AlexanderJansen]

@@samsabruskongen Absolutely. That's kinda why I'm happy to pay my taxes in Norway, and also why I specified that I do in my original comment. If you visit my country I hope you have a safe experience, but if something unexpected happens I would rather pay for your hospital stay with a proportion of my income, the same as everyone else, rather than ruin you. Getting sick or injured wouldn't be your fault, so it would be unfair to expect you to pay for it.

[@AlexanderJansen]

@@samsabruskongen Hvorfor skulle jeg skryte på sosiale medier? Akkurat nå utnytter jeg velferdsstaten fordi jeg ikke har inntekt. Penger har forsåvidt grodd på trær en stund når sedler lages av papir, men en økonomi basert på penger er en konstruksjon vi velger å opprettholde. Hvis gratis helsehjelp ikke knekker velferdssamfunnet slik du sier hadde det vært ganske inhumant å la være. Jeg synes det er bedre å ha lange køer enn å ikke slippe til i køen i det hele tatt. Jeg er ikke moralsk overlegen andre, men jeg har ikke så sterkt hat mot medmennesker at jeg vil nekte noen reell hjelp på grunn av en konstruert verdi.

[@CalmExplosions]

@@AlexanderJansen I'm not picking a side to this proposal, but can i ask a small question? If we were to do this, wouldn't it end up with people from the US overcrowding Norway? If people new that they could get stuff done for free there, they would all rush over to Norway and overfill the Hospitals. I think it's a good hearted idea, but I'm a little scared of the consequences it could have.... But eh, what do i know? I'm a 15 year old, i haven't even started playing tax money yet :/

[@johnnyb8629]

2 things, 1) healthcare in the US is expensive regardless of the material reasons. What I mean by this is that we are chronically unhealthy in the US over an average life span causing the average costs to be high. Even if a person pays for their care however unhealthy they are, there are so many who do not and that cost gets passed along. Additionally the cost of health insurance is high, because we are unhealthy and the over all costs get passed along to us. Because hospitals', insurance companies and everyone in between are businesses who are in the business of making profit , this makes healthcare in the US expensive on top of all the other reasons. 2) we are all victims of a toxic food environment and its making us sick slowly over our lifetimes. You would be hard pressed to find a meal in the US that didn't have sugar and salt added in it. In comparison to a person living 100 years ago or more the amounts are huge. We in turn are addicted to this just due to how our physiology evolved and so we eat it preferentially. After eating this food over the course of a lifetime we on average have high rates of heart disease, obesity, diabetes, cancer, etc. This is not talked about as policy because its profitable for the businesses in US healthcare, essentially reducing the US population to a commodity, like cattle. The only way to change this for the better is to admit this and hold food industries accountable like we did with big Tabaco. Then we would need to have basically a revolution to change it to a socialized healthcare system because we would essentially be killing off all those companies that are dependent on the human cattle industry.

[@madeleinejacobs2842]

Well said, Johnny B. The US system treats humans as a commodity, rather than human beings. That's why health care reform is a branch of the social justice movement, where a health care system will not be about the profit of the few, but the health of all.

[@raypaulsen7440]

There is one thing you are forgetting taxes in Norway are high. 35 prosent and up to 55 prosent.

[@sn0wphun]

Yeah.... Those numbers are a bit off by my reckoning..... Its more like 70-80%, all taxes included... But its worth it :-) Best regards -Norwegian

[@madeleinejacobs2842]

If taxes are progressive, not regressive, and if they support the social good, I have no problem with that. The US is a "welfare state" for the richest of the rich. Check out Robert Reich's book, Pretty sick.

[@MyDagfinn]

That is not correct. It varies from zero for minimum pensioners to 45% maximum. Typically a Norwegian pays 25-35% taxes.

[@raypaulsen7440]

@@MyDagfinn Depends on how much you make. Er norsk så litt peiling har jeg.

[@sn0wphun]

@@MyDagfinn Thats payroll tax. Then you have 25% vat, then sugar tax, alcohol tax, tobacco tax, gas tax, anything fun tax... All in all, we pay 65-80% taxes...

[@Jorgen87]

The U.S do have better experience treating some "illness" than Norway has. Either if its.. like gunshots, or cancer might be somewhat better training but.. also alot more expensive than we have in Norway. We do have some paid operations but most of it is nearly free of charge. So.. I do hope you get better healthsystem than you have now. Getting sick is a illness of itself in the U.S

[@notyourbusiness6907]

norway is leading in cancer treatment and research

[@espenvippen]

The USA is probably one of the few countries that does not have free healthcare. Quite incredible. Greetings from Norway.

[@mrsporty9669]

Social democracy

[@erikeggenbakstad]

And still per definition many see us as socialists and even worse things. No pun intend. Glad you are all okay now 😊❤

[@hakont.4960]

The irony is that Norway is actually a highly capitalistic country. We have socalistic systems funded by regulated capitalism, it's not a perfect system, but it works pretty well.

[@LT_Silver]

Healthcare has to be payed for by someone. Which most likely would be Taxes. So first deal with most of the poverty and then alittle higher taxes. Then healthcare laws, so healthcare organizations can't have the price alot higher then it is worth and there you go.

[@nuendo2496]

USA Military budget............800 Billion !!!!!!! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.....but "We can't afford Healthcare".

[@madeleinejacobs2842]

We can. We choose not to.

[@marshamcdonald1475]

If an American can’t pay for Hospital services in The Courts will take his home As payment.

[@user-ox9mk7cr2h]

Happy to hear that you had a good experience with the Norwegian healthcare system. However, my experience is the opposite. I'm very unhappy with the current system. You have cystic acne that scars up your face? 6 months wait to see a dermatologist. You have severe depression and anxiety? 1 year wait for a therapist, if you are so fortunate that you are allowed on the waiting list. You're a student living away from home, and want to see a doctor? There's one place you can go, and they will refuse you unless they deem it as acute. You have moved to another city and need a primary care physician, or you're just unhappy with your current one? Too bad, in many cities and towns there are not a single one available. Can't breathe through your nose because of a deviated septum? In my city, there's a 2.5 year wait for a surgery. You're a nurse? Nurses are quitting in droves because of understaffing, stress and poor working conditions. A recent survey revealed that 72% of nurses are considering quitting their jobs. I think we deserve a better healthcare system than the current one. The Norwegian healthcare system is not something that should be implemented in America, as the lack of primary care physicians and the extreme wait times would turn Americans insane. You should rather look to countries like Switzerland, France and Germany. I also want to recommend reading this article: www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/09/18/upshot/best-health-care-system-country-bracket.html

[@star1923]

Put it the other way. Sailing from Norway to the US, and end up to go to hospital - without any travel insurance... Guess you had to sell your kidneys...

[@wwbuirkle]

Plenty of uninsured people get free treatment in the USA.Don't believe the hype

[@taavetti13]

When all the nordic countries as well as other European countries have this but Norway gets all the fame

[@madeleinejacobs2842]

We are impressed by ALL the civilized countries in the world who feel health care is a human right! This particular person was in Norway, so this is his story. We welcome stories from all over the world. Only the US has failed to join this group.

[@erikeggenbakstad]

Have you checked other KZbin videos and make sure what you are saying is actually legitimate or are you just spewing out "facts" from your personal view? Big difference.

[@taavetti13]

@@erikeggenbakstad huh? What are you trying to say here? We are not that different in Finland, basically everything is same, except your oil. Danes are also not that different with these Welfare things.. Swedes are the most different with over 10 million people and weird kind of tactic with this Covid-19 shit going around, but they are still rollin with us. Now mind explaining what were you trying to say with your reply?

[@randihansen3347]

In Norway we have Oil fond. How meny country in Europe , have that?

[@madeleinejacobs2842]

@@randihansen3347 The US is one of the largest fossil fuel producers in the world. I assure you, unlike Norway, little if any of those profits go to the public good.

[@StockholmMidNiteSun]

Sweden has the same :)

[@wwbuirkle]

Sweden had to make a lot of big changes to keep their system solvent

[@heddaskarblokhin9447]

Holy shit, as a norwegian i find $400 to be insane, that is twice what one Norwegian will pay for a whole year. After paying $200 we get a freecard so we dont pay anything more, but i dont think its legal to charge more than $40 at a time when going to an apointment or pharmacy

[@ArythemB]

You pay 200 plus 12% of salary each month, now its about 1500 to 5000 euro each year

[@sailingviking7885]

@@ArythemB Hey,,, do not tell them the truth! Let them live in their cotton packed sosialist world believes. 😉

[@alawton4173]

💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯

[@glavason1547]

I got braces in norway once and it costed 10,000$ but since my parents had paid tens of thousands of dollars in taxes they got a 8,000$ in discount. So much for «free healthcare»

[@madeleinejacobs2842]

No one said health care is free. However, it is a need for all humans in human bodies, so everyone should have access to it, just as we have access to roads, schools, libraries, police and fire protection. All of these are financed by progressive taxes where people contribute according to what they can afford.

[@lpdude2005]

You're kidding with us. We do not have prices in Norway for any hospitals - where you get a discount. If your parents work in Norway and pay taxes - you will never pay more than about $ 50 for a hospital visit. You will never know what it costs. If you have travel insurance, the bill will be sent to the insurance company. If you have visited a private hospital - which we also have - then they can have a reimbursement agreement with the State. Such hospitals often operate with body improvements. Throughout the year, you never pay more than $ 220 for a hospital, doctor, transport or medicine - afterwards everything is free.

[@ninaelsbethgustavsen2131]

Actually, dental care isn't included in the next to free health system in Norway. And braces are very expensive... Love from Oslo 😳 🇳🇴

[@ninaelsbethgustavsen2131]

​@@lpdude2005 Det var snakk om tannregulering her. Og det koster skjorta !

[@karmascoffin]

The norwegians decline

[@rogerhennie8939]

One reason medical care is so expensive in the US is that US doctors earn 10 times as much AS Norwegian Docs. And a welfare system Financed by taxes only works If people pay their taxes and don’t misuse the system. Another thing, most European countries have good welfare systems.

[@madeleinejacobs2842]

That is another myth. Primary care docs in the US don't make that much money. I know. I was a primary care doc in a rural area for 30 years and I saw my take home pay shrink as my overhead costs ballooned due to the costs of fighting for health coverage for my patients. It costs American doctors $100,000 each per year to interact with the insurance companies. Specialists can make quite a bit, as the system is based on procedures--even if people don't need them. Those on the front line keeping people healthy do not get reimbursed.

[@Rha3gar]

@@madeleinejacobs2842 Good point. Another issue is that the US healthcare system costs roughly twice a s much per capita as a single payer healthcare system like the one in Norway. However, there can be a queue to get some services. But if you want to speed things up, there are private options here as well. It costs a bit more though. About $60 for a consultation, maybe $80-120 for an x-ray.

[@erikeggenbakstad]

Totally wrong! IS health care system is more or less private corporations afaik and can not be compared to a Scandinavian system with state owned hospitals. If you take private clinics in Scandinavia compared to US private hospitals and clinics I think the income is pretty much the same.

[@erikeggenbakstad]

@@madeleinejacobs2842 I agree! My experience talking to medical officers overseas when we did joint cooperation operations at a field hospital it is just a myth. People just spew out things they really don't have any knowledge about at all 😊👍

[@heddaskarblokhin9447]

Ofcourse US doctors need to be paid more. They dont get paid 10 times as much, but they do get more than in Norway. They also have a shit ton more student debt than norwegian doctors

[@dagstur1]

Oslo is not Norway. Try living here in the rest of Norway, not as a tourist. It's not the same story. Having a baby? Only in the largest centers. Expect a waiting list, for an appointment a days drive away. The price means there little you can say about it. A second opinion? Only after the new doctor has discussed the matter with the first doctor. Tourists should fact check more thoroughly.

[@madeleinejacobs2842]

In the rural US, not only do we have the usual shortage of providers and facilities, but we pay MORE for those services simply because we live in a rural area. That's what the profit motive does.

[@hurmur9528]

It was less than 400 dollars. Feels that sting of being cheated of something. That is because you are.

[@sp4zzer]

@jaarmu and still, the average person has more income and disposable income than in the US.

[@Stokkeland23]

Yes, im Norwegian and we do have great healthcare. But, we have limited freedom compared to other countries. Things that are illegal in Norway : Boxing, MMA, Casinos, Slot machines, having a beer at a sporting event, brothels, pawn brokers, marihuana, owning a pitbull or other exotic breeds like snakes, tigers. Guns are illegal unless you have a special permit. Also, we have incredibly high taxes on cars and on driving a car. A car in Norway probably costs double of the price in other countries. The point im trying to make is that yes, we live in a very safe place but it’s also very government regulated. Anything that is considered fun or has the potential to be dangerous is usually prohibited, restricted, illegal, taxed or frowned upon. So the grass ain’t always greener on the other side. Personally i would choose to live in a country where im as free as i totally can be and be permitted to make as dumb choices as i possibly can if i should so choose.

[@themustardcat6328]

so you want that everyon that wants to can get a gun?? plus why would you get a tiger?

[@Stokkeland23]

TheMustardCat :p That is what u took from what i wrote? You don’t deserve an answer

[@themustardcat6328]

@@Stokkeland23 well yeah i understand what you said, but there are just some things that can't be allowed..

[@erixxon74]

I understand your knee jerk reaction, but I feel like you would change your mind the second you get a chronic disease or a horrible diagnosis or are involved in a terrible accident. these things happen, and not only to others. Regarding your list of illegal things: I agree with some of your points, but I am very happy that people need a permit for guns in most european countries, I think MMA is barbaric and primitive and owning dangerous or exotic animals should only be possible for responsible people. My guess is, you’re probably quite young. The young feel invincible, i get it. But the older you become the more apparent it becomes that the only freedom that matters is health. I would never sacrifice my health care for any of those things on your list. I respect your opinion. I just hope I have given you a slightly different angle to tackle the issue from. cheers ...

[@themustardcat6328]

@@erixxon74 you did, and i appreciate it now i can undertsand your point better!

[@david4360]

I live in norway for 5 years. It is good health care but not the best. Czech or Slovakia have much better.

[@Lubben]

How is it better in Czech?

[@david4360]

Yes. Much much more clever doctors.

[@repugnant01]

Capitalism baby!😂

[@wethepeople371]

Thank you +1